Are there really people on this board who cannot even draw forms this simple from imagination without a reference?
>>7970925nope. they are just pretending. it's called performance art.
>>7970928Is there a compilation or at least known venues?
>>7970925i don't have an imagination, i usually just start drawing boxes at weird angles and then i draw things within the boxes at the angle the box is in. sometimes i get art out of it, sometimes i don't
>>7970935well thats probably good enough mostly some of the time, right?
I can't even draw what I see. I've been stuck on permabeg mode since 2023. Betty edwards is useless if you're a sperg like me. plus, not even brent eviston courses helped me.im helpless, but at least i try. could be worse.
>>7970977dubs of truth, you're cooked lowkirky lmfao
>>7970977If anyone here actually wants to try and help me, ill post my work. I dont have high expectations though.
>>7970985Didjou make that cool rat
>>7970993Years ago, when i had ambition and hope, but yeah. >>7970990I can try. Watchu wanna know twin? The Jews don't want ppl to know that you can just draw from imagination
>>7970977Pyw
>>7971007one of the hundreds of attempts at observation.
I can't foreshorten to save my life
>>7971015>>7971015That ones easy, look. Foreshortening is just taking a difference between two identical diemnsions 2 inch apple becomes another, smaller, farther away, but still 2 inch apple. The distance between the to is your "Focal Length" assuming they are idnetical .Your brain does a lot of interpolation.
>>7970925most people can't, its unnatural to be able to see the world for what it is. Our eyes INTERPRET what we see and our brains try to make sense of it. Drawing is not natural.
>>7971025low iq
>>7971030yeah, I lack talent. I win.
>>7970977>I can't even draw what I seeThat is a beg trap. you should never draw what you see
>>7970925I struggle to draw shapes sometimes, I got a couple photo references of real life cubes in different positions I like to trace over
>>7970925Damn these are great, I especially love the bar of soap thing
>>7970935Why did you start drawing in the first place if there was nothing in your head that you wanted to draw?
>>7970925What brush did you use? did you use multiple layers? I want to do this exercise too, it looks fun.
>>7971340forgor to attach image ggyeah would like to just learn more I guess.
>>79713401 layer, square brush opacity on pressure, though a binary brush is just as good.It is fun!
>>7971025this board is truly lost....
>>7971344So it's both lighter and smaller the lighter you press? What's a binary brush?
>>7971012Looks cool post more
>>7971025>its unnatural to be able to see the world for what it isFor me this only applies to complex things, especially faces. Boxes and cylinders are just boxes and cylinders. Even if you can't imagine one in your head you should somehow know what a circle and rectangle are.
>>7971355>For me this only applies to complex things, Complex tings are composites of simple tings!>>7971347who cares nigga just use a pencil. The tools don't matter.
>>7971356I care. I'm asking because I care We're discussing art in the place where you discuss art. Get a grip.
>>7970925Being able to draw from imagination doesn't mean you necessarilly should do it.
Some people find it easier to work dark to light for this exercise. I know I did when I first started.
>>7971362I don't think "imagination" means "lock yourself in an airtight room with no references whatsoever", I think it really just means "original piece that didn't exist before". So it might be a combination of multiple existing references. What's the point of being an artist anyway if you're not creating original pieces?
>>7970925Yes that would be me
>>7971258i wanted to learn how to draw because i have no imagination. i can still come up with creative concepts, i just can't experience them visually when they're in my head.
>>7971414You're goated
>>7970925I think you should be able to draw every single basic object from imagination from every angle without issues, also things like flowerpot, bottle or simple fence it's something you should be able to draw without references.
>>7971368many ppl dont use referencesusing refs is not drawing from imaginationit could be partly drawn from imagination maybe if you dont follow the ref closely
>>7972537references are important for getting small details right, like buttons on clothes or color schemes. ideally, you should be using a reference to more accurately draw an original design.
>>7972584what does this have to do with what i said you fucking retard?i often use references myselfi just said that there are people who don't use them (and they often still can paint very well)learn to read you fucking imbecile morron subhuman
>>7970925I can. In fact, these are the only things I can draw at all, with or without references.
>>7972613Then you sound like you're on your way to greatness.
>>7972533Dubs of truth.
>>7970925It's worse than that. I can't draw them even if I sculpt them myself out of clay, and have them right in front of me. If I could draw that thing in the top right in particular, I think I could use that as a springboard to figure out a lot of other things, but I'm not really clear on how to get there. Making a lot of aimless attempts that all fail for reasons I can't grasp doesn't really feel like it's helping.
>>7973101Well at least you're treating it sincerely.If it makes you feel better I did include that one to show off, it gave me hell for a VERY long time, but its early in Vilppus book for a reason, it's very fundamental.Its a lot like meditating or endurance training. It's a mind over matter type problem, not a math problem or effort problem.>>7971356
I'm drew the hair on the hawk XD
Feather on the horse XDD
>>7970925I can draw these borms but I can't make appealing strokes on digital to save my life. It looks like they were drawn in an earthquake even though they measure correctly.
>>7974326well thats easily fixable if you're not retarded.Are you?
>>7974330I am retarded. I am talentless. I am autistic. I have aphantasia. Now what?
>>7974334
Lol
>>7974308>>7974310kino
>>7971015an exercise i'm not sure if i just made it up or heard it from somewhere that helped me with that was drawing a train of cylinders trying to make it weave through the page 3-dimensionally. it helped me get a better feel for how the changing scale of the ellipses on each side of the cylinder give the perception of depth.
>>7971025brother I'm a shit tier deviantart foot autist and I can draw characters I goon to straight out of my brain without even seeing it...I can draw a foot from my own brain because I'm a goon hell brother what?
>>7971025bro if I'm easily the worst artist in this board then you should be able to do it easily. seriously. even I can do basic shapes and nonsense and things. It's all just shapes, blobs, and forms that you gotta mold into stuff. like a few random shapes, squares, blobs can all easily interconnect into shapes like puzzle pieces.
>>7971356What book is this?
>>7974844Vilppu drawing manual
>>7974858Thanks anon I've been trying to read more so much appreciated.
>>7974842These suck anon but you are in fact right. I bet whatever else you draw would be much nicer if you tightened up those ellipses, the linework is nice enough tho.
>>7970925Shapes are eysey and drawing is for fags
>>7970925Me
>>7970925yeah (you)
I don't know how to know if I'm contouring or actually drawing forms, personally. My boxes are also really pathetic but I just refuse to do Draw a Box, that shit made me give up on art when I first tried it
>>7976076It's good to put your foot down on this. But as a simple example of the purpose, the mouse you referenced is leaning to HIS right. His right ear is closer to his right paw, (here i am using 'right' to refer to the dominant hand in the majority of humans)But in the rotation, he's leaning to his non dominant side. How did you fuck that up?? Cuz that's way more important for "Feeling the form" than drawing nice boxes.Does that make sense?
>>7976120>does that make senseI think so
>>7976076Cool exercise, gave it a shot, could feel my brain overheating trying to conceptualize the different perspective. Somethings you can only progress so fast at while you brain rewires
>>7976233Dubs of win! If we pretend the nose is thesecond hand on a clock from the top, you did a counterclockwise rotation. Can you do clockwise?
Bump because it doesn't get easier by avoiding it.
>>7976076wouldn't the mouse be leaning the other way in the side profile?
>>7978534Sorry, didn't update the thread for a while, at work
I’ve been self diagnosed with stage 3 aphantasia it’s not my fault.
>>7978540Diagnosed by a Jew I bet.Kikes created aphantasia to keep the goyim trapped in their media market. If nobody else can make pictures from their ideas then you control what ideas they can picture....And foids love having an excuse to give up early. Lazy cunts.
We found him.Mandypants.
Painting with different shades instead of doing correct cross contouring is cheating.Painting =/= drawing correctly
>>7970925okay einstein how do I learn to draw these kiddy shapes without grinding them for hours?
>>7970963Ur drawing is literally symbol drawing with one form
>>7980582*You're
>>7970925i tried
>>7980637
>>7980995This is good Anon. Since you worked on a toned canvas and if you have big nuts you could add some speculars in white.
>>7981365i will not have my nut size questioned even
>>7981655I like it anon, you mogged a million crabs today.
i get the feeling i'll have to do this a million times before it starts feeling natural
>>7982150Believe me or don't but its not about the number of times, it's about the quality of the time. The quality goes up the more mental effort you put into per-conceiving the form. Most people need to do 1000 drawings before they rack up 100 total seconnds of "Thinking before they draw". Most drawing schedules make this problem worse.
>>7982221I believe you
fat vird
>>7984152Am I feeling the form yet, baws?
>>7984441I'd say not yet sir. But good effort.
>>7984458but i dont want to kiss mr. bird :(
>>7978501>>7970925Just popping in to say hi / You're coolSaw the text on your Sai2 screen so I hope I had that bit right!
>>7970925Rate my forms
>>7984884It reproduced>>7984441>>7984458Hawk is looking upHawk bird can make head still body everywherehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqgewVCC0k0
Fatso is an golden eagle and not a hawk!
Rules and elipse guides are also very helpful for learning to use this sort of technique.
>>7970928no. performance art is what me and your mother did last night
Found you
>>7985949whomst?
>>7984884thanks oh based one
https://muddycolors.com/2020/07/drawing-like-you-mean-it/
>>7984975Help me to suck less
>>7988018Just post in /beg/
>>7988018sure. lmk what you need.
