Krita or Clip Studio Paint?
What?
anyone who says anything other than gimp is crabbing
Krita has a higher ceiling but steeper learning curve Clip studio is simpler but has a lower ceiling Also krita shows you a cute squirrel every time you open it
I think CSP is best if you want to draw mangaKrita is probably better if you want to emulate tradPTSAI is light weight and good if you want a mix of trad + digitalPhotoshop is probably best for after effects, not sure how it is for drawing and painting
> no one mentioned saiThis is a living proof that this board is for permabegs and people who don't draw
>>7971800I was faster >>7971799
I wrote my reply >>7971800 before >>7971799 appeared, so my statement is still valid.
>>7971802The barely had any replies so your statement is dumb
>>7971788Got stones in your ears?
>>7971802low iq moment
>>7971804Crab mentality, I know you either don't draw or want to gatekeep OP from good software. I came here and revealed it, now you play your typical games with me.
>>7971808SAI is far from perfect tho. Especially the smudge tool it has is terrible. It's good enough or line art but coloring with it can be a struggle.
>>7971808other anon was first tho
>>7971810I think the dev will fix it eventually, especially if people will actually buy the software. But your point is valid, my friend was doing coloring in a different program sometimes because of it
>>7971814All I can say is that their reply appeared on my screen after I posted mine -_-
>>7971799woah never heard of SAI, this feels awesome. why didn't anyone mention this sooner? thanks anon!
>>7971770just use drawpile
>>7971821Yea it's pretty intuitive aand straight forward without nonsense.
>>7971821Primitive app with barely any support. You are fucked if you are using a display that's bigger than 1080p
>>7971825I thought they had an option for scaling in v2
>>7971770I find it interesting that CSP has a SVGA preset resolution. Does this mean there are Japanese that still develop games for older machines or they have a market solely for that?
>>7971770SAI paint tool 2
>>7971770Prostagma
>>7971791>the industry standard application with barrier to entry has lower ceilingBait used to be believable
seen any elves? hahaha
>>7971770Krita obviously and it's not even close.While Krita has one downside and that's not having separate brush for Eraser. CSP (paid program, getting your basic settings done is annoying also i would like to bind my rotation per degree on specific button but nope, can't be done Krita have this by default, limited CMYK so if you print your art then bye bye and more.) CSP is not a bad program but it have it's annoyances same as Krita.
>>7971770Krip Saitudio Photoshopaint 2
>>7971849I never saw anyone use, or even mention "Clip Studio" in the industry.It was all Photoshop.And I was the only weirdo who experimented with Krita.
kurisuta is the best
>>7971973>tries photoshop.>wants bind "undo to Z">Nope you can't do that only CTRL + "any">wtf.. ? closes and uninstalls.photocuck is worst program ever.
>>7971847Hullome
I've paid for the Pro version of CSP and tried out many different programs for years, and I have to say Krita is by far the best program I've used.I like to draw traditionally way more than I do digital, and no other program has given me the feeling of doing so as much as Krita has, however, if what you want is full image editing power and clean stuff, go for CSP or Paint Tool Sai 2.Here's an image of some of my stuff on Krita and CSP for comparison.
>>7971770PAINTTOOLSAI2
Corel painter has completely fallen off the face of the earth, huh. It had fun mixing engine from what I remember.
>>7972031Sorry but they're both kinda dogshit. I guess Krita is only great for people who don't really draw that much with deadlines to chase.
>>7972022Empty Me
>>7972067RudeThe left one is pretty cool
kurisutajio peinto tsuuru
>>7971770Both are good, use whatever suits you best
>>7971770I've been meaning to re-make this list so this thread is a good excuse as any. Trying different art programs is one of my favorite past times, I don't have an Ipad so I haven't tried all of them but obscure ones like Art Weaver and Project Dog Waffle? TwistedBrush Studio? You name it, I've looked into it. Since the thread is about Krita/CSP I'll start with those two first 1/2
>>7972123What’s so bad about Photoshop?
>>7972123Pretty good list and I appreciate you taking the time to try out all these apps but I cant help but notice you placed mspaint in D tier when it should be in S+ tier. Easy mistake!
>>7972125Why would I use Photoshop over any other program? SAI/SAI 2 are the best at blending, CSP is incredibly customizable, and Krita is the best free animation program with the best brush texture engine. What does PS Even have? It's not lightweight, its brush editor is dogshit, and it doesn't even feel particularly good to draw with. In a world where I can do everything Base Photoshop can do and more with Affinity means that PS as it is today is redundant and antiquated. The only thing keeping it above Current day MSPaint is that it at least didn't remove features I actively use.
>>7972125Nothing, they’re just stupid and lazy. It’s genuinely not hard to pick up and there’s a reason it’s still widely used by everyone. Not that it’s perfect, and adobe are basically acting like slumlords at this point but one can dream photoshop gets bought out by a company that actually wants to try to fix the mess instead of passively collecting income. If they fixed the fucking memory leaks that have been happening since ps 18 it would already a massive QoL change. These tier lists are stupid anyway, and it reminds me of blender users desperately shilling it despite it’s gaping flaws for production work, who spazz out and fight everyone who’s not using it.
>>7972171Thanks fren, I love having a chance to talk about drawing software but almost never get the chance to so this is nice. As to why I don't have paint higher is a two fold thing of I think for pixel art you have better niche options with features specific to pixel artists and I have fully converted to the kult of kolourpaint. It's so good bros. Everything Paint 98 did the best PLUS shortcuts PLUS color indexing and a huge ass undo history and God like text tool? It's so beautiful. My only wish was that it was available for windows but I've switched to bare metal Linux so I'll live, but it makes it hard to recommend to others.
>>7972125The author of the tier list is using the latest version full of aids instead of CS6 from 2012.Remember, drawing software and hardware has only gotten worse in the last 20 years.CS6 is the peak of Photoshop.
>>7972190I've used CS2, 3, 5, 6 and CC and of all the versions Id Say that CS5 was probably the Peak of Photoshop. I'll at least say that I enjoy using wet edges as a brush setting but once again, Affinity has this now so what's even the point of using Photoshop?
>>7971770SAI
>>7972123Why are FireAlpaca and MediBang on different tiers? It's been a long time since I've used either, but the few differences I can remember are FireAlpaca having a GIF feature while MediBang had its own community website/brush store, otherwise they were pretty much the sameAs for Rebelle why did you think it was bad? I'm considering buying it
>>7972232Because rebelle requires you to know what the hell you’re doing, and no one here actually draws. When there’s no guardrails it’s easy to fall of a cliff.
>>7972232The fast answer is while Firealpaca and Medibang are 80% the same program, Medibang tries to be a manga first drawing program and I find it to be a subpar one. And since Firealpaca gained a lot of it's toolset I don't see the point of it. It's at least an okay mobile program that I prefer over IbisPaint.>>7972282I'm a watercolor artist I can tell fake texture and blending as easily as I can taste the difference between aspartame and cane sugar, and the experience is just as vile. There's also the matter of simulators being total resource hogs which I also can't stand. A complete waste of time, I'd rather buy M. Graham and be done with it.
>>7972123>asepriteGood god I like and also hate that app
>>7972429I won’t dispute that rebelle is really taxing on your computer and most people don’t have a bit beefy computer to draw with, but I still think it’s a great and fun soft to use.
I use Photoshop 5.5, with filters, and its older than 75% of y'all.:D
Its not the program that makes the artist, no, It's whether he chooses to draw.
>>7972123>The literal industry standard photoshop >D tierLook i also hate jeets and how bloated it is but c'mon, easily the best brushes and best drawing engine.
>>7972794>easily the best brushes and best drawing engine.Has never once been true. All of PS's brushes are variations of stamp brushes with opacity/flow and a godawful smearing brush that feels so tacked on. AND there's not even a way to adjust the global brush pressure inside like in Clip or Krita, what kind of 'industry standard' is that? Industry standard just means that Adobe never feels compelled to make any improvements.
>>7972867Industry standard is literally just what the industry uses. So, photoshop. Doesn’t mean it’s amazing or good. And for all it’s faults, photoshop is still easy to use and gets the job done well enough, so it’s still popular.
>>7973070I brought that up as a refutation as to why I didn't put Photoshop higher than D tier. Being industry standard or popular is not something I consider when making these rankings. I just truly don't think Photoshop is stand out or necessary when it comes to modern digital art programs.
>>7972031Proof that the program you use does not matter.
>>7972498For me, its Resprite. But yeah I dont think its A tier. Its okay... not great not terrible. Really annoying at times though. Btw I paid $0.00000000 for it.
>>7971770>Krita or Clip Studio PainMore like Krita or GIMP and that'd be both. Why? Same reason you have a fork, a spoon and a knife, different tools for different tasks.>There are sporks too you kno-I dont care, I want them separate and thats that. Also if you cant draw something at the very least decent on GIMP, you are the proto-megalo-permabeg of legend, he who shall never improve.
>>7973159but CSP isn't a spork
>>7973159If I need to be able to at least use gimp, Why would I need Krita? couldn't I pair it down to 1 program then? I think there's a world where both can exist and support eachother, like chopsticks.
>>7972867INDUSTRY STANDARD, EVERYONE ELSE NEEDS TO CATCHUP SIMPLE AS
>>7973159*holds up spork* (photoshop)
>>7972031Left is so good. What an inspiration
I have used these apps, made brushes and assets in all of them,personally I use Clip studio but it doesn't really matter cuz I have my own brushes that i have ported to other apps easily Krita is more capable than CSP in some areas but it's alright
