So no matter what style I want to draw in I'm required to learn to draw realism? Sounds kinda reductive
Stylization requres you to understand realism to break the realism to make the stylization appealing. Think of music. Rock and punk and other genres break the classical music rules. If you study classical music, you can make better rock and other genre music because you know what the rules are and how to break them efficiently. If you have no understanding of the basics, it's more likely what ever you produce is going to not be as good as those who do understand the basics.
>>7972740>>7972748This is true.What pisses me off is when its implied that you have to master the basics before you can draw anything else thats on your mind.
>>7972775Sorry, no big tiddy anime girls until you prove you can paint the sistine chapel.
>>7972748True but I don't think that means you have to draw "realism." There's a lot that goes into realistic drawings that you don't need.
Have a cheat code.https://youtu.be/1OSWR7xiQLk?is=yLz2jbAb36frN9--Repeat until you get something that you want to draw again.
>>7972778That's correct. You don't need to draw realism, but you need to understand realism to stylize efficently.
>>7972740You don't have to be a realism god who can draw photorealistic portraits, but you should at least understand the realistic proportions and features of the object that you're stylizing.
>>7972740No? Lol. To be pretentious, it all largely depends on what you want to do with your art, but some knowledge of realism helps in almost all areas. If what you want to draw is nowhere near realism, it isn't required at all. For example, surface level abstract art doesn't require any knowledge of reality, you can just splash paint on a canvas and call it a day, but extremely advanced abstract art requires such an intimate knowledge of reality for deliberate and masterful deconstruction of it. All that realism allows, is for you to tether your imagination to the laws of how our senses perceive this reality. The better you understand those laws, the better you get at breaking them in a way that makes sense to people without sacrificing the essence of your imagination. We are bound to this plane of existence. We want to bring what's within our souls into this plane of existence, to translate that without losing the integrity, you need to know what the laws of this world are. The best art, at least for me, is where you find the sweet spot, between your rawest essence and reality.
>>7972740Why not reduce it some more? You have to learn physics to know how realism works. You have to learn math to understand physics, now go get that math phd before even thinking about touching a brush.
>>7972826knowing the rules also allows you to just not follow them at all. That's where whimsy comes from. As the masters say, mastering art is just a matter of learning to draw like a kid again. You spend all these years mastering your tools, just to take a step back and allow the kid inside you to play with them as if though they were toys. Imo, that's the most pure art. Pure unbridled fun.
>>7972740Not knowing how to draw something and just going "that's just my style" is just a cope that will lead to stagnation because you won't know what to look for to evolve your own work.
>>7972740there is a thread up for this kind of stupid question
>>7972740You do not really have to draw realism you just have to understand the fundamentalsYou don't have to be able to draw hyperrealistic art before you can draw stylized cartoon charactersYou just have to understand how perspective works anatomy how to draw decent lines how light works etc
you really should thohttps://www.artstation.com/artwork/zP38Eqhttps://www.artstation.com/artwork/zArK6Q
>>7972740I don't think that's true, but I DO think it's true for some styles, and I DO think it's good to learn should you wish to evolve further in your work. Working in nothing but simple or cartoony styles will make you develop bad habits when you wish to go into realism.And yes, anime is one of those art styles where you'd want to learn realism, because it's a style that's quite realistic, aside from the stylised facial features.
You just have to study until your style looks acceptable. If you have a problem with drawing feet from imagination then go study how feet look and how to break them down
>>7972748How many rock and punk artists are also trained in classical? Not being snarky, if there's video of Slash or the Ramones playing Mozart and Bach I want to draw to it
>>7972971You're kinda missing the point. They aren't trained classically but all music does follow or break the fundamentals of music theory.
>>7972971>>7972972Cliff Burton from Metallica was classically trained. There's actually a lot of overlap between metal/rock and classical. So much so it gave birth to things like math rock, progressive instrumental like with Polyphia, etc. It all just really highlights how the fundamentals are just your tools. The better you get at learning them, the better you will be able to express yourself.
>>7972972>>7972977Aw man, here I thought. That is a good insight though, thanks
>>7972748What a Dunning Kruger post that gets parroted around by people who are bad at drawing. Post your work.
>>7972971>How many rock and punk artists are also trained in classical?They do play classical and even jazz during schooling. See Whiplash 2014.
>>7973059pseud trapthat's why you're still here instead of out there making it
>>7972830Unironically learning the qualitative characteristics of physics can help. For example, if a character is approaching lightspeed, as they approach you, the light hitting your retina would phase shift towards blue and as they zoom away, phase shift towards red. Things like rayleigh scattering, inverse square for light, surface transmission, emission, absorption, etc. You don't need to know the exact mathematics behind it, but understanding how these things work on a surface level lets you add realism to your understands and can be exaggerated for flair or dramatics. You don't need to actually learn formulas or hard numbers as they don't help you at all. The only sectors that'd help in are with actual engineering or design that will have loading bearing structures, mechanisms, etc that will exist in the real world.
>>7972740realism is the anchoreverything you draw will have some degree of connection with the real life, even the abstract shitit is good idea to have a good grasp of that regard since it is the building block and the default, but 'mastering' it would be bit too much depending on what you draw
>>7972830also this is unironically one of the underrated thing you can do to improve>>7973110pretty much this and even reading about perceptual difference metric or any perceptually inspired things in computer vision is honestly a good thing to know about
>>7973191Lessons on color theory or light interaction are literally just lessons about light physics and how our brains process this visual information. It's honestly one of the most interesting topics to me because everything we see, at its core, is driven by light. Light is what allows us to see. "Black" is just absence of light, colors are just what light wavelengths are able to reflect back at us given a surface's properties. It's just one of those topics that's so infinitely complex and fun to nerd out about and be able to apply to my own art.
>>7973212for me it is perceptual models rather than hard physicswhat i can see even if it isnt there, and what i cant see even if it is there
You're not required to do anything dum-dum.
>>7972740You don't have to learn realism lol. You just need to learn the fundamentals in order to understand what you are doing.
>>7973051>Dunning KrugerNta, You keep using that term, but I dont think you know what it means.Its not for dumb people with over confidence. Its for skilled people with a lack of confidence.
Quit complaining and just do it. Nobody's saying you have to do 10000 still lifes before you can draw an anime girl, you can do it alongside drawing whatever you like and after enough studies you'll soon reap their rewards in your "normal" art.
>>7972740Why do you think most classically trained artists spent years mastering realism before they went to draw highly stylized paintings? They surely didn't because they were very interested in realism, they did it because it's requirement to be able to draw everything else.>>7973323Balancing multiple styles while you're still learning will just lead to you mixing things up constantly though. You either study and stick with realism for couple of years or you're just going to cripple yourself by switching back and forth all the time.
