Imagine learning how to draw semi-generic anime for years only to realize you actually want to draw in a more westernized cartoony and exaggerated art style
gachashit and easternshit made literal billions THOUGH
>>7975069It's incredibly annoying that all the most talented artists now draw weebshit
This bait thread is boneless, where do i didnt more reference sheets like >>7975080
>>7975069You can always learn to have a more diversified skillset so you can change your style
>>7975099
>>7975069She married a fly btw
The people have spoken, and the people want anime.
>>7975069Imagine learning how to draw western cartoon characters for years only to realize the version you liked best were all drawn by the Japanese.Actually I don't have to imagine. That's literally me.
I have spoken, I want anime. Only a few westoid cartoon styles appeal to me.
>>7975069Well, certainly a few of those skills overlap, you have some understanding of lineweight, form, technique, composition, r-right anon???
>>7975228soulless
>>7975292I associate western styles like OP pic so strongly with furries that the whole style is kind of tainted for me
>>7975620This will sound mega autistic but I could never get over how inflexible this style is. The last straw was Zootopia with horses walking upright and they had hooves for hands. How the fuck do you even function with hooves? I can take talking horses like Lion King but this is just wrong. But giving horses hands would've been even worse. That ruined furries for me. Now I see a hot furry girl on a bed and I immediately notice something annoying like she doesn't have hooves for feet when she should, or if she does have hooves I don't like it because I like feet. I like anime girls now, and NO nekomimi
>>7975069damn maybe you should just have learned your fundamentals instead of specializing so early. It's pretty easy to swap styles when you have a solid foundation
>>7975228adorkable
>>7975069I've tried to incorporate both styles but I'm switching to AI art
>>7975069You only say that cause it's easier. Why bother with aesthetics when you can add a huge ugly ass nose and huge eyebrows
>>7975835the model has great design youre an idiot.
>>7975121you mean normies. normies want anime
>>7975838nah it's ugly like a pug. you are probably just a furry
>>7975841It’s honestly kind of wild that we’ve gotten to the point where someone can unironically say that anime is normie
Is pic related a western or an anime art style?
>>7975868Anything made by Japanese people is good
>>7975868Ask Chad GPT
Most western styles are straight up ugly
>>7975894So are you
>>7975080Ariel was designed as an anime girl and apparently she was based on Miyazaki's girls. You can tell because she has an actual forehead and a braincase. Interesting how many anime heads even with big sailor moon eyes and no nose etc. actually fit better on the basic loomis proportions compared to western animation characters, who look like neanderthals with sloping foreheads, their hairlines starting right above the brow.
>>7976138western is such a misnomer when talking about animation.anime is closer to the western art traditions than an eastern european jewish immigrant's art that's animated in korea
>>7975069>permabeg can't grasp the subtleties and beauty of anime and deserts to muh-style protected abomination ridden style >"I-it's not like I wanted to draw anime or anything!!!"Many such cases, westoids can't anime
I hate anime niggers so much
>>7976138Disney always had neotenic proportions just like anime and that makes it even stranger that tumblroids always draw the forehead so small even on women. Every fuckin time I see a western kid drawing ocs it's those weird brown people with no forehead. I wonder if they believe it's sexist to draw people with a brain
>>7976236theyre just retards dude, look you dead in the face and say this is ugly.
>>7976270Sword in the stone designs are GOAT of all times tier. Milt Kahl mogs most anime.
>>7976270I wasn't saying anything about Disney. Milt Kahl is a God.I just said I don't know where the tiny brains came from. It's such a big reason why a lot of western art looks unappealing
>>7975864>>7975841Even more wild is the fact that you’re saying “normies” you normalfags.
>>7976367"Normies" has been the default term for like over a decade now, let it go dude
>>7976138>and apparently she was based on Miyazaki's girlssince when
>>7975228>twitter filenamereal simon would just post the original file
>>7976421It's bullshit.
>>7976376Not on this website, tranny
>>7976431>Philo Barnhart, an animator on the original "Little Mermaid," reflected on what it was like designing Ariel, saying that supervising animator Glen Keane brought up the idea of taking inspiration from Hayao Miyazaki's work. "'What if we did our own version of an anime girl character?'" Keane suggested, according to Barnhart, who found the idea intriguing. "They have the little traditional triangular face, you know, with a little pointy chin and the big eyes with like — they have a million highlights in them," the animator said.the part about the triangular pointy chin makes sense to me, looking at Miyazaki's Clarisse from Lupin for example. here's a piece of concept art where her design is intentionally contrasted to Disney's previous styles.
>>7976466are the full sheets for this uploaded anywhere?
>>7976466Source for quote
>>7976466>generally there is more structurethis information could vaporize /asg/
>>7976479https://www.looper.com/1298158/the-little-mermaid-miyazaki-anime-thank-ariel-design/
>>7976470idk about full sheets but the art of The little Mermaid book is on e-hentai
>>7976507https://livlily.blogspot.com/
>>7976466> looking at Miyazaki's Clarisse from Lupin for example. here's a piece of concept art where her design is intentionally contrasted to Disney's previous stylesEhh I still don’t understand. Ariel still has majority of her looks from Eilonwy from Black Cauldron. And Eilonwy’s chin isn’t entirely round. And Aurora from Sleeping Beauty has a triangular chin too so they weren’t entirely contradicting past designs.
>>7976608Well a lot of anime art was also inspired by Disney. I think Aurora has a more rounded fuller chin than Ariel, not mannish by any means but not the almost anime-like face like Ariel. Eilonwy was a Milt Kahl design, one of the last designs from the old guys and still in that house style that emerged after Sleeping Beauty. Eilonwy was also drawn younger with a rounder face than Ariel. Mermaid was done when all the old heads were fully gone and maybe new influences came in.
>>7975069just switch to the different style. if you've truly been drawing for years, then it shouldn't be an issue.
>>7976466>taking inspirationGiving her a pointy chin and bigger eyes doesn't mean she was designed "as an anime girl." Plus she's so much more dynamic and interesting than anime. Anime has stiff plastic faces and relies on emoji expressions and dialogue to communicate emotions. With Ariel you can see what she's thinking from very subtle expressions. Calling her anime is an insult and blatant appropriation.
>>7976707Ariel's chin looks round in certain shots too, not THAT pointy.
>>7976722Just not that much a difference to start pointing to anime...
still the cutest
>>7976714I don't have an opinion on this either way. But are you so married to the narrative in your head that you think Barnhart and Keane didn't say what they said? Are we not all reading the same article, looking at the same quotes? What is even going on here?
>>7976736I'm looking at a pointy chin here. Must be anime.
>>7975979I'm pretty handsome and women write me first
>>7976740We should examine what they say vs what they did. You said they were contradicting past designs with pointy chins even though that's not entirely true. They can be wrong, a lot of animators worked on that movie.
>>7976747Like, Ariel's chin just doesn't have that pointy look in a lot of shots. The "influence" is basically meaningless.
>>7976742I don't know who you're arguing with but tezuka copied disney wholesale. the anime style is a direct offshoot of disney.it's not an own just a fact.
>>7976742You're thinking about this way too black and white and autistically. Mermaid is not an anime. It doesn't have sweatdrops or chibis or shit like that. The designers probably looked at a lot of shit to arrive at the final look. If one of those things was Miyazaki's works which happened to have a type of redhead girl the designers liked and when those designers say they used it as inspiration it's fair to say that Ariel was partly based on anime.
>>7975069>>7976747>You said they were contradicting past designs with pointy chins even though that's not entirely true.I didn't say that. I hadn't replied to this particular argument beforehand. And your point that we could be dissecting what they said in different ways is fair.I'm just pointing out that you are literally telling people to disbelieve their lying eyes. Those guys still said what they said.Look, I know /ic/ is an argumentative place, and being on 4chan means you have to enjoy the odd troll or two. But you're not gaslighting anyone at this point, you're gaslighting yourself. It's a weird look, and it doesn't help make your case if there's any genuineness to it.
Alright use NTA then
>>7976763Nope, that wasn't me. I have no skin in this. I'm not on team anime or team Disney. I draw both, and laugh at the people who have to pick a side.
>>7975835>why bother actually putting effort into making distinctive features appealing when you can copypaste the same uguu eyes and dot noseyou are genuine cattle, you have no sapience and you are not capable of the most basic introspection
>>7976341>I don't know where the tiny brains came from2000s anime coupled with people misunderstanding the loomis method and thinking they gotta place the eyes on the middle of the sphere used for the cranium instead of the middle of the overall head construction
>>7976767Ichigo has a forehead though. He's also a man. But I think you're right, it's bad Loomis.
>head tapers to chinI think this is the key. Aurora has more of a real chin drawn in. chinlets Ariel and Clarisse chinmogged to oblivion.
>>7976783Ariel's chin still doesn't quite match that Ghibli character's chin.
>>7976783
>>7976749Eilowy's head is the same in plenty of shots.
Lamaoing my ass off at another retarded east vs west thread
>>7976747>We should examine what they say vs what they did>Glen Keane brought up the idea of taking inspirationDo you understand taking inspiration is not the same thing as "Ariel was designed as an anime girl?" Literally nobody thinks of Ariel being anime because she is fundamentally not an anime girl.
>>7976793I'd like to bridge the gap between east and west here by bringing up Disney animators liked anime and tried to channel the appeal of anime girls with Ariel. But ofc this giga-autistic weeb board doesn't listen lol
>>7976792I mean, look at this.
>>7976795But weebs say america steals from japan all the time.
>>7976766Mayhaps there's a reason why all the cartoons posted in this thread are from the 70s and the 80s and not the 90s+? Perchance you are the cattle?
>But weebs say america steals from japan all the ti-
>>7976794there is fundamentally no such thing as anime or an anime girl because it's all just cartoons which were inspired by Disney styles to begin with. Nobody said Mermaid is anime and it's not even faux-anime. You can interpret what the animators said as one of their goals being achieving the same appeal as Miyazaki girls. Copying is not required
>>7976800well X-men is gay slop anyway.
I want more cartoony anime
>>7975069So, just start drawing in a westernized way? If could learn to draw anime, you can learn to draw old western cartoons. Should take no time at all.
>>7976138>>7976236Nazi retards unironically think: big forehead = big brain = big IQ.The only thing worse than weebs is nazi-weebs. You should all kys.
>>7976822You're going extinct.
>>7976802Moebius is french though.
>>7976822what people having a fully developed frontal lobe does to mf psyche
>>7976825>>7976828>You're going extinct.>what people having a fully developed frontal lobe does to mf psyche.Cope harder. My hairline covers most of my forehead. BTW, your masters have no/slopped foreheads. Cattle with huge heads are unironically the slave race. Kek.
>>7976838thanks for admitting youre a retarded monkey kek
>>7976838being a hairy indian doesn't help if you have the hairline of a chimp. I don't think wishing you harm is going to be anything worse than living a life as a 1/2000000000 indian
>>7976822>hitler wasn't that bad you guys
Not even sure who's arguing what at this point.
>>7976747
>>7977064not gonna read this
>>7976795The only people retarded enough to genuinely engage with the these threads are people new to this board or well-meaning dopes like you who got wrangled into an endless debate. At least I got some sketch material skimmingb through this
>>7975864Most of /ic is zoomers who grew up on post-2005 anime, so it is to be expected. They know nothing of the pre social media world, and know little about western art beyond screenshots and what social media slop accounts tell them to think. They're the kind of people who have meltdowns when you tell them that Sailor Moon isn't supposed to have the wholesome chungus pink hue.
>>7975069Life's too short to confine yourself to one style.
What would be a fast efficient way to shift toward animu for an /int/ fag who draws in a western style? I hate my style so much I don't like drawing anymore. I need to learn moe or I'll quit drawing.It doesn't matter how much I try to ape the style it never looks right, I am so frustrated with this I felt actual despair. Do I have to learn shit all over again from the ground up? Is it this much like pulling teeth when you're learning?
>>7978035an /int/ should already know the answer. Artist copies. Yoh Yoshinari has a pretty good sketchbook on amazon.
>>7978043It takes me forever to learn or adjust cause I'm a bit retarded. I don't even know if I qualify as /int/ anymore. I'm so fucking depressed
>>7978065Relax, I don't think he's saying you look at one style sheet and you should immediately have internalized anime style. Of course there's an adjustment period
