>>7975298
As for SSDs yes they will survive more abuse if you throw them ageist the wall however everything has its limit and even a SSD will break and you are looking at data recovery.
DO NOT THROW SSDs! Like this is not something I should be explaining even however here we are.

While SSDs can survive more throws they have a bad tendency to simply poof die and your data vanishes with it. Also data on SSDs will vanish over time HDDs are far more resistant to this. And we are talking 10 years of unplugged from electricity and will work or can be recovered by some technician if the motor fucks up.

Actually HDDs are far more known and if you need that data back all you need to do is pay some company to recover it if the motor fails etc.
[YouTube] REAL Data Recovery - Linus Swaps Hard Drive Actuator! (embed)

The best is a HDD that you did do stress testing or used it for years. Them ore you use a SSD the closer it gets to perma death.

However the best option is to actually have backups. We are talking buying 2 or 3 of these ~500$ HDDs or SSDs.

As for SSDs they literally only makes sense if you non stop move it around the drives however even then you need to look out for unpluging it in the right way.

Never use exFAT! Never use any FAT file system you need to have them formatted into NTFS. Most of the things you buy will come formatted as exFAT you need to change that! This will erase all the data BTW!


I really have no good option for checking file integrity. You can try to use Win RAR with the option to add parryty data and set it to 100% however accesing a RAR file is dificult and not fast.

You can try ZFS however that costs a minimum of 2 HDDs and a ZFS file server is not a backup, so you need 2 servers.

You can try to use GIT and set up a GIT for your files no idea how it will react to files getting corrupted. And GIT is not made for this.

Any questions NOT/g/ ?

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>>7975299
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>B-b-b-b what if your house burns down?

House fires affect less then 1% of people and if you do not life in some inferno prone region it is even lower.
And google will ban your cloud storage subscription over bullshit.

Mega can go crazy or shut down etc.
Remember when mega upload was shut down?

Yea none of these files are coming back!
EVER!

Remember when a Microsoft error basically deleted everything on your one drive and MS told you literally
>Oh my bad
>NO REFUNDS!

All that subscription money was literally wasted!

And you can do 2 things at the same time. Like you can upload to some cloud storage and have HDDs only do not think cloud shit is forever or that you are basically paying a subscription backed up by nothing and you can equally pay for free blowjobs for the MS/Apple/google CEO since if they fuck up or ban you, you have nothing.

PS: The DA twitter question.
Remember that if it is free you are the product.
DA/twitter and other shit are basically you feeding their AI with free content to train on. Read the EULA.

>>7975298
>>7975299
>>7975301
You're awesome.

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>>7975319
External SSDs only make sense if you move a lot.

For example getting a external HDD that you move around with your tablet(that you take everywhere to draw on) is a bad idea because you are not supposed to do that.

However moving the files from the tablet to the HDD that sits in your room is a good use of a HDD.

Another reason to get a SSD over a HDD is if you change houses a lot. Like every year a new home and you take all your stuff with you.

A HDD can get fucked in transport.
Outside of these scenarios there is no reason to have a SSD.

SSDs are subject to burning out(did you check the SMART data on your SSD? ) and losing data if not plugged in.

Also these cheep HDDs or SSDs will shit themselves do not buy crap under 200$.

Thumb drives are basically garbage and will shit themselves.
Never use exFAT or FAT 32 under any circumstances. If it can not read NTFS it is not worth your time linux and windows can read NTFS.

Use NTFS instead of a linux meme file system because companies actually can recover from NTFS failure and there are tools you can use to get data from a corrupted NTFS. Tools you can get for free. Linux meme file systems are basically unrecoverable once they get fucked because no one is doing recovery from them or if they do it will cost you a lot.

>>7975298
LITERALLY a jeet

>>7975319
Forgot to mention.

If you plug a HDD over USB really really really be sure to do the unmounted operation correctly if you are going to unplug it.

Safest way is to actually shut down the computer fully before unplugging the HDD.

This is true for every thing USB SSD or HDD or flash shit etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p5UMrJfHWg&pp=ygUTZWplY3RpbmcgdXNiIGRyaXZlIA%3D%3D

>>7975334
Feel free to draw a perfect thumbnail for the thread.

how does /ic/ store its digital files?

>>7975854
When I replace my machine (which is rare) I'll typically copy important files to the newer machine, and then keep the old drives "as is" and put them aside as archives. I have one older drive that is an SSD, so based on this thread I'll connect it more often to ensure it holds its data.

The most recent stuff is on an internal SSD. Occasionally, I connect an external SSD via USB and copy recent work over and disconnect the external. If anything iffy happens with unmounting, I shutdown and unplug. Though I haven't had problems with external USB drives. (External USB sticks are a regular pain in the ass, though.)

Almost all of my stuff is analog, and I digitize it for the sake of cleaning up and printing, submitting somewhere, including in some document, etc. So a digital catastrophe would be annoying, but I'd still have most of my work.

>>7975298
>Not using physical storage
Anyway, the issue is that Google looks into your shit. Is it possible to upload encrypted zip files?

>>7975854
I have a nextcloud server at my house that me and some of my friends use. It doesn't have a lot of storage space, but it's off-site backup (for everyone else) and people can trivially share things from there on the public internet. And people have some guarantee that I'm not personally going to ban them.

>>7976655
Daily reminder that DA/Twitter/Facebook/apple/google who give you file hosting for free (unlimited file hosting! Clown emoji) will feed everything you upload there to their AI or sell it to open AI etc for them to feed it.

It literally is on the TOS under
>You forever own your copyright
>However we can chose to ... World wide ... Display it .... For advertising .... You consent to this.

This translates to them training some AI on your files.

Remember if the product is free (and unlimited hosting) then you are the product!

I think now we are why all these websites let you upload unlimited pictures for free. You are the product!

>>7975298
stupid thread, another excuse for nodraws to spend their money without actually working on their drawing.
A single digital art with overkill A4 format, 300 dpi res, and highest png export in photoshop barely reach 50mb in size, even if you did export something in 50mb every day for an entire month it'll took only 1,5gb of your space, which can easily be solved by a damn sd card or even a flash drive

>>7975334
tired of /pol/tardation infecting every single board on this site, find something real to be angry about.
we got literal rape gangs and elite pedo rings, AI datacenters predicting and controlling your behavior, a few years ago someone released a bioweapon that has killed millions of people, our political elites used it to enrich themselves and consolidate power while locking the rest of us up in our homes, and at this rate no one will ever be held accountable.
we're living in a fucking dystopia and your biggest concern is that the youtube IT channel is run by le spooky brown man with a funny accent. you're a spiritual nigger. I don't care what your skin color is, you're not part of the civilized world.

>>7975298
Yeah I'm tech illiterate idrc how do I back things up reliably without copy pasting stuff. I'm using kopia ui now but idk what's considered good or bad around these parts

>>7977475
>>7977475
??? Did you forget to take your meds?
If you only draw traditionally and keep your art in your home and to participate on the internet you make a photo to upload then this thread is N/A for you.

However.
>Muh flash drive
Will corrupt if that is your primary copy then you lost all.
>50MB
>2GB
Ok where is the problem? Did I disagree?
Where do you keep your art?
On the computer with the OS fun fact windows updates can delete your files so you know
>Spend money!
I speak from experience I did buy a cheep 2TB external HDD and it was great and then after 1 year it starts clicking. Biggest stress of my life to transfer all of it out!

However these expensive 3TB external HDD that I did buy for years in 2009-2015 Work to this day and almost never fucked up.

Do not fall for the oh a thumb drive is so cheep crap. Today you are expected to buy the 500$ HDD or SSD.
I also keep shit loads of other files there so you know

>>7975298
This isn't related to art or criticism of art.
>B-b-but storage!
You know that's a load of bullshit.

>>7978541
Cope bullshit.
>This isn't related to art or criticism of art
Oh you better tell that to everyone who makes threads about art supplies or digital tablets then.

>>Bbbb the storage
If you work digitally storage must be used

my hdd unironically failed and I barely could recover half of it

>>7975298
> trusting corporations with your data kek
would you upload your data to taco bell? hey walmart hold onto my family album. kek people are retarded.

>>7975854
on local and I keep an archive on s3 glacier and google archive chunked and encrypted, its super cheap

>>7978946
You are right however corporations shill this cloud storage.

My fav is when MS shilled it's one drive shit and after some technician accidentally deleted all the files on shit loads of accounts MS literally told everyone
>Sorry my mistake. No refunds BTW

>>7975298
Genuine question: can you give me a recommendation for a long-term external storage device? I don't wanna get scammed by random bullshit on Amazon and I don't know much about tech or what brands are good or anything. I think an HDD would probably be safer long-term than an SSD, but I don't even know if manufacturers make HDD's anymore. Are there external HDD's that you can connect via USB that are actually built from the ground up as external storage "archiving" devices? Maybe with some light drop-proof padded plastic shell? The few HDD's I might have lying about are like 15+ years old, have very low capacity (like 500gb or less) and aren't made for external use because they have exposed circuit boards and stuff; they are clearly designed to be installed in a PC.

It would be cool to start archiving some of my stuff just to free up space on my main drives. Plus I have a decent collection of obscure books and little bits of software like addons and such that I've collected over the years that it would be a gigantic pain in the ass to re acquire if I lost it.

>>7979131
just use AI for tech support questions

>>7979141
Well considering that OP made this thread and has clearly thought about this problem a lot more in depth than I had, I figured that they would be able to give me their personal suggestions.

Just in case
If you're some kind of shill, and you're trying to astroturf a "how do you save your data" general on /ic/, kindly fuck off.
If you want to get good at drawing, first and foremost you need to build a habit and start learning. The shiny new tablet isn't going to make you a better artist, nor is having an archive of all the horrible figure drawings you did. The value isn't in keeping them around, the value is in having done them.
Archiving is something for professional-level artists to worry about, which is to say, at most 1% of us.
That said, if you're just doing this as a one-time thing because you wanted to share some knowledge, that's based.

>>7979141
>AI
Are you fucken retarded?
AI will literally hallucinate and FUCK you over.
>Hur dur ask chat GPT
Where do you retards come from?

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>>7979835
>Are you fucken retarded?
>AI will literally hallucinate and FUCK you over.
Just like you can use wikipedia for looking up when a president was born or died, you can also use chatbots for basic tech questions.
I asked it to list me functions that do specific things in a programming language and got a reply that worked. If you use it as a glorified search engine it can work pretty well. You still need your own brain, lmao. Maybe that's your issue.

>>7979840
>AI fag speak
Oh wow.

>AI is like wikipedia
How retarded are you?
aI is stolen wikipedia articles and reddit posts + chance of hallucination. Like why the FUCK do you want a inferior version of wikipedia you retarded prompter?

Also most articles written by humans if they have a prejudice it will show this in the way they write, AI writes in the same tone it is literally a worse version of anything written by humans, under no circumstances ask or trust AI. How many glue on pizza AI instruction do you retards need before you learn?

>>7979883
you're like 2 or 3 generations behind, AI is an advanced search engine now. boomers would ask questions instead of using keywords, now you can just ask it a question and it works. AI is far better for tech support compared to this place, an artwork/critique board.

>>7979883
>hey chatbot-kun, what terminal command do I need to do X?
>>Here's a list of commands that should work on your system.
>Oh, it works, neat.
>>7979883
>why the FUCK do you want a inferior version of wikipedia you retarded prompter?
>inferior version of wikipedia
Jesus, I guess I was right about the no brain part.
Also
>stolen
Fucking lmao.

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>>7979131
OP here I am glad to help.

>I don't even know if manufacturers make HDD's anymore.
NO OFFENCE HOWEVER.
This made me smile. It is like asking
>I don't even know if manufacturers make TRAINS anymore.
Yes it be absurd if they did not since all servers use HDDs.

Either way the main problem with anything computer now is that AI is basically increasing the prices to insanity so get ready to get fucked if you buy one. And remember everyone hates AI now people are protesting the building of data centers because thee shits increase the prices of everything and all they do is hallucinate and generate slop.

>exposed circuit boards and stuff; they are clearly designed to be installed in a PC
That is a internal one, yes it is made to be inside a PC or server. HOWEVER you can buy cases to put the HDD inside of it and make EVERY internal one a external one.
Internal ones are actually better since manufacturers of externals can put really YOLO crap in one of them. Actually if you open a external one you find a internal one inside.
Some people basically play the external HDD lottery by opening up these cases to see if there is a good internal one inside to use in their servers this is named Shucking
https://youtu.be/RiIQnoidCIA

However I think I am overwhelming you with information.
Internal ones are great if you have a PC to put them into and use them as a NAS or something. External ones are the budget mans choice.
>Amazon
Avoid that and buy from media markt, I doubt they scam you.
Here are some good brands
Western Digital.
Also Seagate however they did have a goof 15 years ago and some of their HDDs did die.
Simply go to HDD section and filer by price. Scroll down the meme shit who is overpriced until you hit the peak good ones.

>Genuine question: can you give me a recommendation for a long-term external storage device?
See picture
Here is a good external one.

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>>7980249
>>7979131

> Plus I have a decent collection of obscure books and little bits of software like addons and such that I've collected over the years that it would be a gigantic pain in the ass to re acquire if I lost it.
Fun fact most people keep all their data together like it is a mix of their photos and videos and pirated stuff etc. And everyone will cry really really hard if they lose this data.

>Genuine question: can you give me a recommendation for a long-term external storage device?
This is the great question.
The best option is backups this literalyl means you will drop x2 or x3 on the external HDD and literally BUY 2 or 3 of them.

What is a backup?
The simple answer is that you literally copy past everything from 1 HDD to another. However because windows can be a bitch I recommend you do this
1) Buy HDD
2)Check the file system and format to NTFS
3) Get veracrypt
4) Create a veracrypt container that will fill up 99% of the space HDD no NTFS. Do not go for quick format let it make a full container.
As for the password pick something simple even your rel life name because it is not important here. Unless you want NAS level encryption.

WARNING this will result in the computer needing to work over 17h to make this container on the HDD.
This gives us the first benefit. If there is something wrong with the HDD it will die while you make the container on it and you lost nothing.

5) Mount the container and start transferring your files into it.

This gives us a very important thing. You can use veracrypt to dismount the entire container this most of the time something in windows will bitch
>REEE you can not delete or move this file something is using it!

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>>7980251
>>7979131

The other benefit is that after you unmounted the container you can do a direct copy of the container to a new HDD. Get ready for letting your computer work overnight and do not sleep next to it while it works if you do not have a dedicated computer room like in the 90s let it work in the kitchen. WE are talking 20h working on the backup.

This is important because windows will create file paths who are to long for itself so if you try to copy the entire mess of folders not only will it take longer then 1 container file you can come back the morning only to realize that windows stopped and told you
>FILE PATH TO LONG TO COPY
And you can go and fuck yourself at this point.

Remember backups only protect from lets say it glass breaking if the HDD or SSD dies you have a copy of you data.

I recommend you do a backup every 30 days(this can kill a SSD not a HDD however!) to so this way you can go back 30 days and have your stuff. If the main or the backup drive dies immediately buy a new one and transfer your files. Yes this is VERY expensive especially now.

While this protects form glass like failures the metal like failures (data corruption, silent data corruption) are different. Basically because of lots of factors like cosmic rays(will get even a SSD) or mechanical damage to the HDD (stop throwing it!) data you have on you computer can get corrupted meaning your picture or scan can turn into nonsense and vanish.

A copy and past will not protect from this.
I do not have a good answer for this problem and it depends what you are doing here are some ideas.

All of the solutions however will increase the size of your container or file collection we are talking x2 so if you have a collection of 4TB you will literally need a HDD that is 9TB or more.

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>>7980252
>>7979131

The simplest solution I think and some librarian talked about this is using a RAR file basically if you install winrar and select make a RAR there is a secret option that lets you as data redundancy or something to the RAR file set it to 100% and make the RAR file. This means that even if a cosmic ray hits the RAR file when you try to open it winrar will check if the data got corrupted and try to fix it because it has a copy of it.

This really depends what you want to do.
IF you want (I am not doing that) you can theoretically take the new artwork you made and make a new RAR file (using the 100% recovery option BTW!) of this project or file and keep all your RARs in some folder. Theoretically you can go the CD or DVD way here and basically make a RAR(the 100% one not normal one) file and then copy the RAR file to a CD and burn it repeat burning the same file 3 times and keep the CD or DVD.
RAR nature protects form data corruption while the 3 copy protects if the CD or DVD breakes.

The obvious downside is that they stopped manufacturing CDs and DVDs and what exists now is basically scam shit at best.

Another option is to make a RAR file of your entire work in 1 year or something. And put it on something. Hard to say what a HDD? Depends on the size of your files.

The other option will be basically making a git repo on all your files. And knowing how to make a commit, YES it will work on folders and photos you place into them.
It theoretically can detect data corruption however I have no idea if it is good.

And git is not really made for it it is a version control system with features who are strange for single users like scanning the text files for who made what changes (it is made for programmers and their code). You also have things that you will never use like merging branches.

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>>7980253
>>7979131

You will need to know how to do a commit in git and probably fill it with nothing since these are only files. It also can remotely connect to other computers and push your updates to them so you can have a distributed copy of your files.

>>7979217
You realize there are like 5 threads of the same guy literally shitting himself on /ic/ over
>REEEE draw every day does nothing RE REEE
>REE REEE I am to retarded to draw boxes REE REEE
Will you have a melty over my thread instead?

> "how do you save your data" general on /ic/, kindly fuck off.
Like I was saying this only is relevant to people who have their art digitally if you have the originals in your home and safe all of what I have written is N/A


>general
Some other anon made a thread that I quoted because it was full of misinformation. Seeing how ignorant /ic/ is on computers I made this.

>>7979131
Check out the prices of a HDD VS SSD that I recommend.
Same $$$ SSD only 2TB HDD 16TB

>kindly fuck off.
And the guy who is shitting up /ic/ with his 5 threads of
>REEEE draw every day does nothing RE REEE
>REE REEE I am to retarded to draw boxes REE REEE
Is welcome here?

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i'm not sure if disk drives will go the way of the dodo, but m-disks are a good medium for storing your work permanently, they use non-oxidizing materials so they won't rot even if there was a manufacturing defect in the plastic lining, unlike an HDD you can't overwrite the data, it's write once then read only. the M stands for millennium since that's their marketing claim for how long the disks will last, 1000 years. just write your data to them, put them in a safe cd case, and that's that.

>>7979131
Op is clearly a very disturbed individual that gathered his knowledge off comment sections. His piles of spaghetti are misleading and contradictory.

HDDs are absolutely still manufactured. They are fine for long term storage. Flash drives "forgetting" things after being disconnected are a bit of a meme. You need to be unfortunate to get a faulty one for that to matter, usually they are readable for years.

Depending on how serious you are your options are:
>Small 2.5 inch drive USB enclosures that you connect occasionally to do a backup and then put them back on a shelf. Get 2 and stagger their use so if one breaks damage is not catastrophic. Probably up to 200$.
>Off the shelf NAS. It's basically a single purpose computer that has its storage accessible over the network. You'll want something with at least 2 bays (drive slots) that can do RAID1, 5 or 6. This means that if one drive fails you'll be able to just replace that one and continue as if nothing happened. Avoid products that lean heavily on cloud. Might end up around 700$ or more.
>An old computer repurposed to work as a NAS. Any 10 year old computer will btfo any commercial NAS you'd be able to buy. Depending on the motherboard you might be able to attach 6 drives (or even more with PCI cards). Another thing, but this one is a double edged, you'll be able to pick and control the software. This could be super nerd shit rabbit hole. PC might be free, 400$ for the drives, and then loads of time to figure it out.

Rules of thumb: HDDs and SSDs both are to be considered consumable, prepare for their demise; if you don't test your backups, you may as well not have them; cloud is just someone else's computer.

>>7975298
>"plug the SSD every couple months to recharge"
what are you talking about? SSDs need recharging? I have mine sitting on a shelf for sometimes over a year at a time before doing backups and it's always been fine

>>7975298
I don't really save my drawings but my photography work all gets saved on google drive, its easy to send it to my clients since almost everyone uses google or can at least operate a google drive. Plus since I dont need to keep my work for too long aside from the top shots I can easily clear out my google drive every so often without worrying. If I had more photography work then maybe an ssd to organise things seperately would be useful but drive can easily keep up with what I want it to do.

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>>7980593
SSDs store data as charge, as an SSD loses charge is loses data. depending on how many states it can store per cell the more often you need to power it so it can keep charge. the simpler the cell the longer it can go without worry of discharge, if it's either off or on, then you can go years without much worry at all. the more states the cell can store, the more even a minor loss in charge can corrupt the data and cause it to read as something else, requiring more frequent powering to maintain charge.

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>>7980634
and it works like pick related, just like how your cellphone will slowly lose charge even when you're not using it, so does an SSD. the more states a cell has the more they have to divide up the voltage to designate what that much means. this isn't an issue when it's in your computer and will never go for very long without being powered. but when it comes to archival purposes, being infrequently used for years at a time, you should look up how often you should be powering it just to be safe.

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>>7980300
Fun fact these things did a long line of bankruptcy and getting sold to new corporations.

Lately there was a controversy that the new manufacturer who is making them is selling you lies and inferior shit basically the new m-disc will break down.
https://www.howtogeek.com/this-would-be-the-best-cold-storage-format-out-there-except-for-this-reason/

Also M-disc means shit if you scratch the surface or get it damaged. I for example ;like to print out covers for my jewel cases. Turns out the paint in the printed paper will move out and started to stick to the underside of the CD meaning that some data is unrecoverable!

HDDs internal HDDs are sold to corporations so they are safe because corporations will crucify the manufacturers if they start selling shit.

There is also glass recording on superman crystals however insanely expensive and not sold to consumers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rfEYd4NGQg

>>7980497
>Rules of thumb: HDDs and SSDs both are to be considered consumable, prepare for their demise; if you don't test your backups, you may as well not have them; cloud is just someone else's computer.
Very good post.

>Op is clearly a very disturbed individual that gathered his knowledge off comment sections
What I am OP.

>HDDs are absolutely still manufactured.
Where did I say they are not?

>Flash drives "forgetting" things after being disconnected are a bit of a meme.
Dude I literally did have them full die on me! Like poof full death. We are not talking data erased or partition drooped the thing will not work and you can not format it!!!!
In this space it is true you get what you pay for. Get ready for that $5 thumb drive to die on you any minuet.

>>7980593
>SSDs need recharging?
YES. They are literally electricity trapped in silicon and the electricity is leaking.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/12yhvl3/do_external_ssds_need_to_be_used_regularly_in/

If you used a HDD this would not be a problem because HDDs use a very strong electro magnet to magnetize metal sectors. While this vanishes over time also it is far more long lasting then the trapped electricity in silicon idea.

>and it's always been fine
Did you check every file? Like every file if it exists and you can read 100% of it?

ZFS, RAR 100% or GIT!

>>7980753
>>7980634
ty, I had no idea, i always thought it was like burning a cd and that the info in there was pretty much permanent. I do have an older removable HDD too which i stopped using after upgraing to an ssd. Im gonna cocntinue backing up on that too to be safe

>>7977556
you are brown lol

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>>7980940
yeah, you can't stop the slow leak of electrons over time.
most SSDs are either TLC or QLC these days.
just plug your SSD in every 6 months or so and leave it like that for a day so it can refresh the cells and you'll be safe enough.
NAND flash memory just isn't an ideal technology for long term archival purposes. but it was never meant to be.

The only way you can reliably store your digital data is to have 2-3 redundant backups. The more backups the better. It doesn't matter if it's SSDs or HDDs, if you have your shit in one spot you're gonna lose it eventually.
t. tradfag :ˆ)

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>>7980974
>>7980940
>ty, I had no idea,
Glad to inform.
>The only way you can reliably store your digital data is to have 2-3 redundant backups. The more backups the better. It doesn't matter if it's SSDs or HDDs
Check out this delusional fagot!
No it is literally irrelevant if you make a million copies on SSDs they all will vanish if not plugged back in.

How do I explain this to /ic/ ?
You know these pens who you can erase? The chemicals in them basically ensure that all of it will vanish in heat. This means that if you leave whatever you made in them in a hot car or over the summer somewhere (Attic in the summer LOL) then all of it will vanish. Because this is how these chemicals work!

>>7977407
You didn't answer the question.
I suppose there should be no issue with uploading encrypted files.

>>7981590
Who the FUCK knows.
In the 2010s no problem; tomorrow google can flag your account prevent you from uploading a file it does not understand, terminate your account or report you to the FBI possibly a combination of all of this.

>>7975854
A copy in my work PC and at least a digital copy. Currently I have Google due to being in a Master's but I have no idea if I'll have the option to renew it for free. I'll probably get an enclosure for an spare SSD I have laying arround for the physical backups

>>7975298

i keep a backup of my files both on an external SSD and my computer, which is prone to frequent bricking as i am a retard and linux gave me too much power.

if one fails, i still have the other one, but a second SSD will help you. never upload your shit to the cloud unless it's just for sharing big files with other people.

>>7982869
>Linux
I also use Linux here is a fun fact about Linux even if you do not FUCK around with system files every distro is prone to bricking itself. I know for a fact that Linux mint (regardless how big your m.2 is) will create a extremely /boot and every time you update the kernel it will leave the old version on /boot in less then 1 year of updates /boot will be full and the OS can not update itself.

I use Linux for the freedom not for any other meme.

>>7982879
>create a extremely /boot
*create a extremely tiny /boot

>>7982879
How about you get good, scrub.

>>7982879
i use mint too. worst part is when you reinstall mint from your trusty flash stick but the version is too old and won't even accept updates anymore so you have to re-flash it before reinstalling mint.

>>7983052
typical /g/tard comment. you shouldn't have to be a programmer or software engineer to be able to use an operating system without catastrophic fuckups. linux being very easy to break accidentally is a major hurdle to being adopted by windows fags. you should not need to use the terminal to install executables.

>>7984443
>/g/
I am convinced now that g is the most cancerous and it's narrative ultimate shit posting.

>Accidentally
I do not think you understand the OS will Perma FUCK itself on its own after 1 year.
This will happen if you update it or pres the Update now popup windows!!!!1111

The only way to prevent this is to not update the OS or define updating as not part of the OS.

You can fix this by changing partition sizes or deleting things in /boot
Both of these solutions are very technical and have the potential of you doing a mistake and bricking the OS. And by brick I mean delete the partitions or FUCK them up this is like next level bricking because if you brick windows you can get out your files. Not so easy if you fucked the partition table. Especially that there are no file recovery tools for Linux partitions especially deleted partitions.

The answer to this?
>You should have made a backup!
Truly /g/ is the ultimate shit post culture.

>>7984443
Well of course you don't get it. In fact your reply is way more typical of what you find on /g/ nowdays.
>you shouldn't have to be a programmer or software engineer to be able to use an operating system without catastrophic fuckups
First off, you don't. It's actually quite opposite, you have to start fiddling with files only touchable by root to cause harm.
The other thing you missed in the other post is that the problem is precisely identified and trivial to fix. That's like pointing to a common chore and lashing out as if it makes conditions unlivable. But of course, you're neither "a programmer or software engineer" so you're just gonna make grandiose claims with zero basis. The system boots, just doesn't update, and the updater spits out a log message indicating what's wrong. All your files and programs are still there.
>you should not need to use the terminal to install executables
A. Why not? B. This hasn't been true for decades. I remember getting Ubuntu 7 on disc (in 2007) and that had GUI application manager, not to mention you could get random .deb files off the Internet that it would install.

So sure, fuck off back to Windows you serf. Let's pray a mandatory AI written update won't bitlock your files in the immediate future.

>>7980260
for the love of god never use git as versioning of art, binary blobs and git are not a good fit, use incremental saves in your drawing software as intended.

>>7975298
I've been using the same external HDD to store everything the last eight years.
As a paranoid git, you should always have redundancies:
>Four 64gb SD Cards.
>Three HDDs(128gb).
>Two SSDs(256gb).
>One NVME(1TB).
That's my set up. It's obtuse but it works. I back up the art at least once a month

>>7984745
What typical Linux fanboy cope and word games.

I am the guy who mentioned /boot the main problem is that the OS itself is written by retards who did not think what will happen after 40 kernel updates.

>It works
Ok. However the OS will nag you that there is no space on /boot and it will nag you to update the OS and this will result in a error window. All normies will complain about it.

>You only have problems if you login as root
>Fix the problem
You are a clown.
To fix the problem you need to login as root and this can brick the OS.
You are a clown the devs are retards.

>Herp derp simply do not update.
OK I do not like non stop updating however the Linux devs act like if you do not update you are a criminal. Also if you want to use Linux as a internet browsing machine you will hit problems if you did not update the browsers and lots of places will bitch at you for not having a current version of the browser.


>[Obscure rant about .deb]
WTF!
I installed DEB. Did you?
1 installing any DEB requires you to be root
2 DEB are not like windows installers if your system does not have some obscure library in the most new version you can do nothing. Also hunting down this DEB of this library can result in you needing to install like 20 DEB files in the right order before you can install the DEB you wanted.
3 installing DEB outside your package manager will ultra FUCK it!!!!!111211ONE
The package manager can not deal with you having a more new version of some library it has in the repository. The only solution here is to take your files out and format the system drive and reinstall

Now you will cope and play word games!
>It doese not require root login
You are entering the root password and giving it root permissions you are playing word games.
>It is not the root password
Yes it is check it.
>No it is the password of my account
Root has the same one try logging in as root.

These are the word games you need to play

>>7985023
>use git as versioning of art, binary blobs
Literally no one suggested this.
>In meme software
What if your meme file gets corrupted?
The point is to prevent data corruption and I think git can deal with this what is the other alternative? Run ZFS? Buy a ZFS storinator?

>>7985562
>OS will nag you that there is no space on /boot and it will nag you to update
Ah yes, an upwards arrow icon in the tray is somehow worse than automatically installed updates that then force you to reboot in the middle of work. Just stop pretending you've used Linux for more than three minutes.
Not sure what you meant by that highly hypocritical meltdown about root too. I did not claim anything specific about escalating privileges, just that your assertion that you need to be a highly trained professional to use the OS is retarded. GUI application managers existed for 20 years. If you need third party slop, there's Flatpak now too. And yes, I installed Skype using a .deb.
By the way, removing previous kernels automatically is the riskier approach in case there's a latent issue and you need to roll back. And again, a full /boot does not make the computer stop functioning. You can still boot it up and use it, maybe even get help online and figure it out. Oh, but God forbid you know how the tool you're using works, I guess, makes it harder to upsell to you.

>>7985923
And you are the reason that keeps people away from Linux. Windows is getting worse and worse and they want to try Linux and then you are here ready to push them back to windows.

Here is a hint stop sucking the dick of developers who make terrible decisions!

>Reee not even using linux
I used Linux as a daily driver for 7 years you FUCK!


>Ree privilege escalation
You do not know what that word means. And yes the Le help you want people to search online or even system updates require the root or sudo.

This entire problem is retarded because the devs are retarded. If they decided to make /boot 20 Gigs it be no problem for the time the OS is supported. This will still make people rage if they want to use the OS long like they did with XP and 7.

Or how about this give users an option during installation to chose how big they want /boot ?
Because there is no option!

>Ree do no delete things from /boot
Ok so how do I solve this?
>Ree look for help!
How about you provide help now? Mr pro Linux man?

So what do I do? Resize the partitions? Or format and reinstall the OS? Why is Linux in 2026 trying to catch up to windows 95?
Why does it rot so hard? Why are the devs incompetent?

You know the gnome guy the "use case?" Guy? The guy who is a meme?
What would he say?

>Use case for a OS working more then 1 year?

Stop sucking the dick of these retards they clearly are developers for attention or to troll people.

When is Nemo finally getting previews of what is inside folders? It has bean 15 years!
Windows 95 did not have it.
Windows XP did XP did come out in 2001!!!!!

>>7975854
SSD main storage, HHD local backup, cloud external backup, all done automatically.

>>7979131
You could just get an "enclosure" and reuse your old HDDs lying around.
That's basically what external hard drives are, regular hard drives with a fancy interface. Some external drives have software that can help with backups, but you can just do that yourself with things like Kopia or Urbackup or whatever you want.

>>7975332
>literal AI sludge misinformation infosheet from an actual reddit bot
cool

>>7989106
Are you ok, retard? Do these shadowboxing tantrums last long or are you ready to have a conversation?
I looked it up and what you do is just run Synaptic, search for linux-image, uncheck kernels you're not using anymore, apply.
>Use case for a OS working more then 1 year?
That's funny. My current install is 9 years old, since I've settled on a distro. It's been continuously usable since it's rolling release. I don't remember having that much luck with Windows.

>>7989781
>Muh rolling meme
From what I hear they brick themselves after 74 days max.

And after how you behaved I doubt anyone will believe even a single word you say.

>>7975854
On my computer. I also backup with rsync to an external drive every other week.

>>7992206
Not really true with something like Gentoo. Set it up once and it will gladly keep going for years and years. Don't know about Arch though. I only ever used to for 4 months total.

>>7992206
>74 days max
Is this supposed to be taken seriously? My uptime sometimes exceeds that. Wow, you sure baited me into pointing out that this implies severe skill issue, again. Can't wait for the kneejerk accusation that I'm the problem. Again.

>>7992289
>accusation that I'm the problem. Again.
Get that a lot, do you?

retarded nodraw thread
just move it back to /g/ where it belongs

>>7992558
Not really. I usually stick to indefensible stuff, like Windows installing malware and/or spyware when you plug in a certain monitor.

>>7992581
>Windows installing malware and/or spyware when you plug in a certain monitor.
More info on this.

>Indefensible
Not really I hate spyware to the max however from a corporate viewpoint.
Who gives a shit that windows screenshots every second and sends my bosses Le confidential client list or that it gets leaked?
Same for art if you only draw stuff you post online who cares that MS screenshots every step of your process?

The real controversy is that we do stuff and write stuff that we do not want anyone to see on our PCs.

To elaborate if you would literally swear to only use windows to draw on and do the rest of your digital life on a separate Linux PC then it is really not a problem. Simply transfer your made pictures on a flash drive. What is going to happen? MS will know every second of you drawing your art?
Then there is the option of simply installing everything you need and never connecting the PC to the internet; zoomers can not understand this.

>>7980593
the problem is vastly overstated by tech illiterates that want to sound intelligent. ive had countless ssds sit on shelves for multiple years with absolute zero data loss. it would take at least half a decade for the issue to become relevant.

>>7994826
>with absolute zero data loss
And this is confirmed by what? Did you just prove a negative?

What you need to do is know how to check the data integrity of 100% of the files. Did you do that?
I found pictures who got that digital damage on them. Did you check every file?

>Who
Dude this is what the industry is saying

>>7994583
lg and alienware monitors are exploiting windows update to auto-install adware with full system access onto computers without asking the end user.
more peripheral manufacturers likely to follow suit.

>>7994583
>The real controversy is that we do stuff and write stuff that we do not want anyone to see on our PCs.
Nigger, I do not want people to watch me SLEEPING, let alone what I'm doing on my computer. Privanlcy isn't just about shameful acts, it's a necessary spiritual mechanism to ensure that potential bad actors can't easily exploit you in states of vulnerability. "Microsoft" may have no interest in your files, but that's not to say an external hacker or an internal rogue employee isn't interested in those private photos of you. So why even give them the opportunity in the first place?

>>7995510
>data integrity gaslighting
yes, i did check every file you stupid faggot. you deserve a chatbot response.

A typical consumer SSD that's been used normally and stored at room temperature will usually retain data for around 5–10 years without power.

The "1 year" figure comes from industry endurance standards. SSDs are typically required to retain data for about one year after they have reached the end of their rated write endurance and are stored under specified conditions. That's a worst-case qualification target, not a prediction for a healthy consumer SSD.

>>7995878
>>data integrity gaslighting
You lost the debate here.

Did chatGPT write the rest of your post?