Taking a break? Drink some water, do some stretches, share some thoughts.Just keep them art related.Previous: >>7963461
>>7977615Hello Karyl, fancy running into you here
Do you guys ever go back and go on a redrawing spree? Using your own art, I mean. It's like flexing on yourself.
I noticed I draw better after going to the gym or swimming. What in the world?
>>7977779I'm often just too lazy to finish my stuff so I lay it aside for weeks/months and then go back to it later
if you killed everyone that thinks or see themselves as an "artists" the quality of art would go trough the roof in 1 day.You can disagree but it's true. It's also 2026 and people shill shita and crapma for whatever reason when photoshop and drawpile exist. I get it you are poor, so be act like a real poorfag and steal it.
>>7977808drippeey….
I'm trying to avoid posting unfinished drawings here and everywhere else. Whenever I do that I feels as if there's no need to improve it anymore. Like "it's already out there anyways". It makes me lazy. So I'm just gonna finish my shit and post it when it's truly perfect. I'm ngl though, the attention whore in me is going insane.
I legitimately want to draw right now but I feel ill from how hot it is outside...
>>7977808What is the difference between thinking you're an artist and seeing yourself as an artist?
>thread about improving and advice>everything boils down to "trace photos"
>>7977783physical activity releases dopamine
It’s been six years since I started “posting art online” and I’m still not very good.
>>7978133No one says that though?
What are some good resources for learning to draw with aphantasia ?
>>7978241Peter han.
>two new anime shows I like coming out in a few days>I don't have anything prepared for either>caught a cold AGAIN from assholes who clock-in sickfuck itit's not like anyone ever sees my work anyways I'll just draw what I want when I want to[I'm still mad]>>7978015iktfyou get that dopamine of posting something without putting in the full effort. idr have a solution to that besides finishing stuff faster and then drip-feeding the updates as individual posts.I'm still too slow for my taste tho, it's frustrating
>>7978241Depends on your goals. Do you wanna draw from reference or imagination? Bobby Chiu talks about aphantasia specifically. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H61AJ0KkkEcLearning a constructive drawing approach can let you build things up without a minds eye. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T_-DiAzYBcOr you can just use an observational approachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vK84953ivs
>>7977783This is just the bait I need to start working out in earnest.
why do people fav your trash but dont fav the thing you drew that took a ton of effort?
>>7978539idk, sometimes it feels like it’s just random what people end up liking or not liking
aphantasia this, aphantasia that blablablai hate preparing concept art for illustrations that will be in a portfolio for jobs where i wont even be designing anything, why is fan art looked down upon anyway?
Some people wont admit it, but I genuinely believe AI is responsible for killing off a good chunk of user activity on this board.
>>7978274>>caught a cold AGAIN from assholes who clock-in sickHey man, if my job actually compensated me rather than punish me for calling out sick, I would. But since I live in the third world shitstain known as the United States, I gotta share the love.
>>7978565I was worried about that too, but the stats don't support that. If we say that the start of AI was late 2022, then board traffic was relatively stable from 2023-2025 (or at least it wasn't declining any faster than it was before), and in fact it was trending upwards for a period in 2025. It was right at the start of 2026 that there was a massive dropoff for some reason. And I don't think there were any particularly big AI developments in January 2026 that would have caused the board to lose half its traffic overnight.
>>7978598well something happened to kill this board off. I remember around 2023 was probably the most active its ever been. It was like people just collectively decided that they wanted to learn how to draw and few years later its a ghost town.Maybe you're right and has nothing to do with AI and is just a natural process where just a bunch of people tried out a new hobby, gave up and moved on to something else.
>>7978598>>7978599Can you faggots please for the love of Christ and Mary in heaven please stop bringing this up? You were alive in 2022. We had a plandemic in 2022. Every dog, mother, and child was home in 2022. Activity everywhere on the internet was at an all time high in 2022. Hollywood pumped their streaming services with so much content in the history of histories in 2022. Please stop pretending to be stupid for once in your lives.
>>7978599I was just saying, it was basically as active in mid 2025 as it was in mid 2023, and that was already multiple years into AI. But yeah something happened recently that slowed it down a ton. Maybe the new captcha, idk
>>7978601Get ahold of your autism for like, 5 seconds dude and let the adults talk okay
>>7978601Well it's not just slow compared to 2022, it's slow compared to pre-pandemic 2018. 800 posts a day vs 1300 posts a day.
>>7978602The new captcha isn't even that hard to bypass, atleast not on desktop.I remember trying to post on mobile and the captcha kept failling even though i 100% chose all the correct answers so I just assumed I was subjected to some kind of "soft" IP ban and gave up. Maybe other users were experiencing the same
feels like I'm at the edge where everything clicks into placeshit is making sense, Im starting to see the writing on the wall
>>7978598>>7978601Zoomers killed the internet. AI is to blame but 2016 and the tourists begging turbonigger cancer are also to blame, zoomers don't believe in hard work they would rather scroll x and tiktok for hours. The mods also play a big role, they made the site unusable for the actual userbase. All the new mods are fucking faggots with no knowledge on the site culture. Everything you know will eventually die 4chan is one of them, if anything its incredible is not completely dead.
>>7978620Yeah I have those moments too. They always turn out to be illusory. :^)
I really hate my art and I've been trying to reinvent it, but it's not going so well. Doesn't help that I've drawn 'cutesy' or round stuff my whole life
>new month>new opportunities to draw>time to change who I am and wake up and draw>......>already wasted half the day shrouded in brainfog clicking around on the internet
>>7978705bro saaaaame
>>7978705I am not you. I was you but now I am no longer you. I drew today and will continue to draw.
>>7978599The drop in volume is not unique to /ic/, several other boards are experiencing a drop in activity and post quality. The root cause stems from bad moderation which provokes a culture where low effort bait posts dwarf genuine posts with well thought replies that end up getting either completely ignored or even have moderation actions taken against them (the meta threads which offer constructive criticism and advice to improve a board but end up getting deleted with the OP banned is a good example of this).As a consequence what we've been observing for the past couple years are several boards splintering away to niche groups which you can consider to be an underground network of would be posters who view the OP from /pol/ or /biz/ through a feed and engage within a channel instead of the actual thread which leaves it seemingly empty where in reality the real engagement is happening elsewhere.You compound that with the ridiculous post timers and captchas nobody's going to bother waiting 300 seconds just to have your post be ignored or even deleted with a ban and these are just a couple of factors there's several more.
>>7978705STOP LOOKING AT YOUR PHONE AS SOON AS YOU WAKE UP.Im serious. do NOT touch that shit unless its for work or an emergency.
>>7978608>>79786024chan gives out fake global IP bans and "unblock spur" errors if you don't accept device fingerprinting and IP tracking cookies or delete them too frequently.
>>7978794No one is going to join your telegram
>>7978568I'll do you one betterHow about having to PAY for sick days off? Not even joking. It's $20 for a doctor's note fyi better not call in sick.
>>7978822fr its most likely a crackhead gang spreading their crackhead gospel
>>7979014it's a lolicon tranny trying to shill some shitcoin
>see [name]>search from:[name], media>no art>block themwhy do nodraws join art servers just to shit the place up?Just fucking draw. It's fun, more fun than shitposting on a Discord chat at least.
>>7979095What server? Ive been looking for a new place to shill my webcomic
>>7979055>lolicon trannyBASED->shitcoin-nyo…
10 threads on the catalog right now were started by me.I'm keeping this place alive.
>>7979291Ragebaiting is not keeping the place alive, it's killing it.
Why do I have to suffer so much?
What’s a normal amount of anger to have when drawing?
>>7979848You are supposed to be having fun drawing. Only on /ic/ does someone manage to somehow turn it into a problem.
>>7979854PYW I bet you’re some fucking pro so of course you don’t understand, retard.
>old art bombs years ago>repost it>it performs extremely wellwhat is this bullshit
>>7979868
>>7979874Yeah that is what I thought so fuck you you fucking faggot
>>7979879Are you not going to post yours?
>>7979885No. Im too angry and obviously you don’t understand.
>>7979894>>7979896Have you ever tried drawing anything other than what /ic/ spouts at you? Instead of grinding fundamentals why not try something new like a neo chibi character from pic related.
>>7979900Wouldn’t this now be a thing /ic/ spouted ?
Secret /pro/ server invite.Don't tell them I posted this in /ic/..gg/R3NtN4Sbch
>>7979911I left this server a while back because of some annoying Ukranian kid who kept spamming seals is he still there
>>7978601Yellow Diamond stopped funding Artists this year. She pushed really hard in 22-23 and remained steady until now. Matthew 7:19
>>7979907I hope so, I haven't been here in a while and came back recently. The point was you need to be having fun.
>>7979918But I suck and am a permaprebeg
>>7979922figure out what you want to do style-wise and go after it any means necessary and learn whatever tricks you can to get to the point where you can say you got the style down.
>>7979922This self destructive defeatist behavior has been a reoccurring theme here for as long as I can remember. You're probably not aware how detrimental this negative attitude is until you leave this place, try it for a couple years and mingle with others who are not emotional vampires.
>>7979918>need to be having funOnly talented faggots have such a privilege.
>>7979918Drawing is only fun if you’re lucky enough to be talented or if you’re already good. Otherwise it’s just suffering.The reason /ic/ is so negative is because it’s all adult learners who started late and don’t have talent, so of course they’re not having fun.
>>7979980>>7980047You really need to lower your expectations & stakes. That's all that is, not some mythical "talent" that allows you to just have fun from the get-go.
>>7980083The talented cannot understand the talentless.
>>7980087Can you give me an example of the bear minimum quality you'd want to achieve to feel fulfilled? I think seeking fulfillment rather than fun is a healthier goal
>>7980087I am talentless myself. Never been into drawing much until later in life, but I am still able to have fun because I don't hold an unhealthy attachment to the outcome, before I even know what the actual outcome is.
>>7980090
>>7980083Anon, I just want to be able to draw competently. I want to be able to show people my art and have them go “yep that’s a drawing of X” instead of “that’s a drawing that’s GOOD FOR A BEGINNER I GUESS”. I don’t want to be the next Murata, I just want to be “an artist”, I’m fine with being one of the nameless legions of internet fanartists. But for so many of us that goal is so insanely difficult to achieve that it feels permanently out of reach. Talentniggers don’t understand what an immense struggle it is just to achieve basic competence.
>>7980101So what ARE you currently practicing? Is it getting you towards this or are you not even sure? Some people take the broad approach and that works for them but some people need to get an idea of what they want to make and cut out everything that doesn't get them there. You can add the rest on later, but if they drain your passion from you they're not worth it.
>>7980117>So what ARE you currently practicing?
>>7980047You sound like a total bitch, go die then
>>7980087The talentless don't even understand themselvesFucking wine moms at paint and sips have a good time and they start painting when they're like in their 50s
>>7980143Literally 100% of those types of people would be /beg/ by /ic/ standards.Yes any retard can pick up a paintbrush and pass a community college drawing class, that’s not the point. The point is can you become an ACTUAL artist.
>>7980122Lol, you got me again buddy.
>>7980145There's 40-year-olds that change careers because they hate what they're doing and start picking up drawing or 3d modeling and end up making it while having a family.But you're going to call him talented or something, it's endless excuses with people like you. What's even your goal if all you're going to do is deflect every single response and whine?
>Learning animation in BlenderOkay, hard but fun.>Doing literally anything in Unrealit's like Gmod was attached to a rocket control panelI fucking swear all I want is to render the animations because it's so much faster but fuuuck this UI man
why do I worry about stagnation and improvement when artists like afrobull, taigerarts, and jinu have had the same shitty style for 5 years now? why is it always an endless journey for me but they get the artist equivalent of a retirement community.
you should worry more about making fewer retarded posts
>draw a figure>takes me 2 minutes>next day draw a figure>takes me 40 minuteswhy
>>7981004There’s some amount of luck involved in drawing. But also it could be that the first figure was in your comfort zone and the other wasn’t
I used to think "Art is nothing but torture for a perfectionist. Why would a perfectionist pick this hobby?". But now I think the opposite. There is no better hobby for someone so retarded and stuck up on getting things right.
>>7981079
which book teaches you how to start drawing? I dont mean starting for the first time, but starting to physically draw instead of wasting the day on the internet?
>>7981168atomic habits
>>7981177which book will get me to find and read that book?
>>7981178meth
>>7981168The book of life. Extreme lazyness mostly comes from depression and no book will ever cure your depression.
>>7978621>zoomers don't believe in hard workSounds like zoomers are extremely based then.Hard work is for slaves and retards. Go be a boomer somewhere else.
>>7981214Unless you're a richfag, mommy and daddy welfare ain't lasting forever
My friend wants me to make her a logo for her thrift store and she wants the text to look like its made with a thread. I tried making it and I'm losing my fucking mind making it look good.
>want to do a summer commission sale>dude slides into my DM day before I wanted to post>be good samaritan >tell him about the upcoming sale>takes up multiple slots>now I have a lot of work already and a sale ad graphic I wonder I should even postgood news for me since I got more than half of my sale goals, but it'd be a waste to not use the graphic. I'm wondering if I should bump the sale price up so I won't get too swamped with work, or bite the bullet even if it'll take months to clear
>>7981690she asked /ic/ instead of /gd/?
>>7981696/gd/ is barely alive or active.
>>7981701I meant irl, an artist instead of a graphic designer. Pretty cool if she wanted a hand drawn logo
>>7981703Oh yeah, if you meant irl then yeah. Actually the guy she wanted to work (who's a graphic designer) with suddenly disappeared so she asked me to fill in.
is the loli general just a bunch of autistic lolicons waiting for their next big nut? glanced through and it seems like most of the posts are from genuine imbeciles
>>7981811I don't know how that general continues to exist since it's mostly as you said, they've been playing buttgrab in the dark with each other for several years now.
>>7981818>>7981811I remember now, it's your resident Janny who maintains those threads so of course they remain up.
>>7981811>>7981818>>7981828Raid ?
>>7981811Occasionally someone posts a drawing they did
>Send a drawing with linework only to Gemini just to hear it say some nice things about it>It mistakenly thinks I'm asking for it to finish it for me and it paints the whole thing>It actually looks great and very close to what I was going to do>Mfw it will take me hours to paint that piece and this fucking bot just did it in 5 secsI'm sorry bros, but it's gonna be hard to not give in to this AI sshit.
>>7981973You will eventually get found out and you will get blacklisted just fyi
>>7981973It's actually extremely easy, you're just an NPC
>>7982033>get blacklistedNot him but there's actually a blacklist? What are they gonna do, tell everyone not to engage?
After months of working, I finally have some drawings to post on social media. However, something serious happened recently in my country that caught the world's attention. I feel uncomfortable posting silly shit amid all this.
>>7982077I mean it's not officially written down anywhere, but people will shit on you and potentially try to cancel you
Am I crazy for thinking CSP's pen/brush feels laggy and soulless and unresponsive even without stabilization on? I've gone back to SAI and it feels insanely responsive by comparison. Can't even get my pen to make shaky lines properly in CSP. But it could be my tablet, too... what do you think?
>>7982114Don't worry about it.
>>7980101People really come to this board to lament about their lack of skill and then their end goal is to just draw obese women going BRAAAAAAAPPP
>>7982120It's CSP, its brush works differently from other art programs which I think is universally agreed to be the worst thing ever. They won't fix it because they can keep getting money from people for adding superficial QoL and features that maybe 10 people will use.
>>7978598>>7978599i stopped posting with this board's persona so there was no one who took the bait and no one to insultnow all the bait threads are empty and all the very epic shitposters killed themselves or are still trapped on this boardi win
>>7981973I don't like ai but seeing it do something in 5 seconds almost as good as you were going to do anyways still feels weird. Like the only reason I draw is to feel satisfied doing it, AI takes that away like spoiling a movie as I walk into the theater. It motivates me to try something unique with it when I do finish the drawing.
>>7982172>AI takes that away like spoiling a movie as I walk into the theaterYeah this sums it up.
this place is essentially just /r9k/ for artists
>>7982033People will stop giving a shit a few years from now when AI becomes normalized.
The general problem with this board was always that the average retard's idea of fun is trying to humiliate someone else every chance they got and had no concept of humor + they take everything, even the most vague shit, as a personal offense, on top of being insufferably autistic.
>>7981973I know a few artists on twitter that submist a shit ton of Ai assisted art work
>>7982184>the average retard's idea of fun is trying to humiliate someone else every chance they gotIt all makes sense now, this board as a ruder infestation. I do believe a nicification program is long overdue, have you tried being nice?
>>7982077If you're trying to get into the industry with an AI portfolio you will 100% get blacklisted
>>7982184thats just how 4chan is. broken and hurt people post all fucking day while good effort posters lurk and absorb information.
>>7982181i've held a pencils hand though
>open art account >post>0 likes, like 10 views >post art here>no (You)s >see literal stick figures get more (You)s >can only show art to gpt if i want a response it's pretty lonely and it makes me wonder if i haven't advanced as far as i thought. all i can do is keep going, though...
>>7982219Wanna post your art here?
>>7982181cute
>>7982220>having my art attached to my entitled-to-attention whiningno way m8i'll just keep grinding and posting and hope my shit gets good enough for anyone but me to care about it. i can't do anything else
>>7982219I have a similar story.>can't decide between three designs for a character>create an image with the three images, each one with a letter (A,B, and C)>go to /dad/ to get some feedback>take the chance to comment on some recent images>anons who poster those images thank me for the feedback>none of them comment on my imageAll they had to do was choose one design. I would have been happy with any of them typing one of the letters mentioned. Just that, one letter.
>>7982230>i'll just keep grinding and posting and hope my shit gets good enough for anyone but me to care about it.This is how /ic/ filters themselves, what you just did with the initial post was catch my attention by sharing an event. Just posting your art into the void and hoping its "good enough" to attract engagement on its own won't cut it. You need to bait people with something that leads up to your art, not the other way around. Moreover it is your ego telling you that you shouldn't be an attention whore/whine about not receiving engagement and it is ego which makes you believe your art should be good enough to receive attention. In reality nobody will care if you whine or attention whore and if someone tells you otherwise you shouldn't care because they didn't invest the time and effort to do a drawing. The reason an artist got successful was because he figure out how to remove his ego and shamelessly shill his art like a shitcoin.
>>7982235maybe captcha is hardmaybe everyone is busy drawingmaybe it's maybelline
>>7982238no, the reason any artist gets successful is when he figures out how to grab attention
>>7982238>he figure out how to remove his ego and shamelessly shill his art like a shitcoinand like a shitcoin he will be treated.
>>7982249From other artists maybe, but normies will not care. How many times has /ic/ in the past complained about artists (without ego) gain traction by complaining which results in their art going viral from sympathy? The very fact that /ic/ complains about this means they're doing something right.
>>7982259most people can't be so shameless
>>7982275I know a dev who goes around shamelessly posting his OC on other groups and it's how I met him. He's currently looking for people to work with his OC and is one of those who's extremely hyperfocused on his character and completely immersed in her content. Would you like to step out of the crab bucket for a moment and meet him or continue to engage with other artists telling you that you should feel ashamed for sharing your work because it isn't good enough?The point I'm trying to get across is you're not going to be seen unless you start shilling yourself by any means necessary even if it's shameless.
>>7982284they aren't being shameless, they never had any shame to begin with. normal people would feel bad shitting up places to advertise their slop.
i can tell this board is really dead because there's no /alt/ thread anymore it's just /salt/
>>7982284>Would you like to step out of the crab bucket for a moment and meet himIf that screenshot is them then they're just another AI proompter that's never going to make anything because it would require more than an hour's worth of effort, so no I don't. Do you even draw?
I want to do anatomy studies but I just end up hoarding nude references because I don't want people walking in on me drawing nude people.
>>7982312so fucking true i keep having to tab out and i accidentally hovered one of the ops with giant ass when someone walked by
went to a job interview yesterday and it went pretty well, but now i'm gonna have to do a 2nd interview to get a position at a fast food restaurant. also my DA account is a week old and has 16 watchers, so at this time, it's my most successful social media page i had in the 12 years of posting on /ic/
>>7982312study from tasteful nudes like sculptures and master drawings
>>7982312Do you still live with your parents or something?
>>7982193i tried it onceit attracts all the rude peopledon't recommend
>>7982340him and millions of other people
>>7982307We both draw actually, here's mine>>7979874and pic rels is his OC he drew the other day I'm going to get him ITT so he could show you his work.
>>7982583?
>>7982304I think the autist that used to make them is gone. Nothing is stopping you from making new /alt/ generals
>>7982583Grow up
>>7982519i did chibi ver of your oc.
>>7982312When I have children, I too will become fucking retarded, and then I'll make them believe that I will want them to do the opposite of seeing tits
>>7982625No u chink
Someone please tell me I’m gmi
>>7982945you're gonna milk it
>>7982960FUCK YOU BURN IN HELL NOW I’M TOO ANGERY TO DRAW AGAIN
>>7982969not in a milking mood i see. dont worry, i'll keep your mom prepped for whenever you're ready
>>7982971You’re a piece of shit my mom is dead this place is terrible I’m never posting here again
>cant draw unless i'm inspired and motivated>most days I'm not inspired or motivated
>>7981811>lolicons>genuine imbecilesand water is wet
>>7982304/alt/ keeps dying because there hasn't been a need for it in YEARS because everyone just draws stylized art anyway. The only people insisting on it being around are permabegs and attention seekers who needed there completely redundant drawing thread.
I genuinely cannot enjoy art from anyone else beyond the aesthetics, since most of the time there is nothing after that.But any effort is wasted and spiritual suicide in the current era.
>>7982304The entire board is anime now, what would be the point of /alt/? The concept art autists are long gone
Would it be presumptuous to think my biggest problem is rushing? That would imply I think I’m actually really good and the only thing holding me back is my laziness and no waning to put in the time and effort.
>>7982945we're all gonna make it
Should I just start learning AI for animation? Seems like it'd save a lot of time.
I dont know how manga artist get so fucking good. Their output in quality is fucking insane. I hope I can at least sniff there level eventually TwT feels impossible tho
I don't know why I keep starting restarting different human body methods from different faggots when I already have my own that works. I really need to learn to be confident.
>>7983141No. Don't sell your soul.>>7983121Depends on your current skill level.For /beg/s it's important to strike a happy medium. You want to give yourself permission to slow down and actually think about what you're doing and rework areas that are incorrect. But it's also easy to fall into a trap of spending absurd amounts of time on one drawing and just reworking it over and over without making any progress. Mostly if you notice something is wrong then you should try a few times to fix it, but if it's just not working then you need to stop and step back and do some studies to fix the gaps in your knowledge.That's just for /beg/s though, if you're already good then your problems will be different.
>>7983141No?
>>7977583Girlfriend getting in the way of my art career and my true passion, I will dump her.
how do i get comfortable with drawing while uncomfortableone person says rest, another says tank it, while my own self worries about valuing productivity over fun
>>7981973>>7983141If your use of AI doesn't conflict with your goals then there is no reason to not see how it could be used in your workflow if some part of you is curious about it. It's not like you have to make some lifelong commitment to using it; you can do away with it at any time. As long as you disclose that you used it I don't see an issue.
>>7983372if you're ever forcing yourself to do anything, you will burn out because you're actively using willpower and it will also be harder to do next time
>>7983141AI can make things move but it can't animate.
>>7983372associating drawing with negative emotions is a recipe for disaster.
>>7977615>>7977659
>>7983712>>7983817How do I fix this if I have no talent?
Drawing hentai is a lot harder than I expected.
>>7983977What about it is difficult specifically?
>>7983980The poses and making it 'erotic'. It sounds very theoretical.
>>7983986Yeah it is harder than you might expect. But your own arousal will be your best guide. Draw what makes you horny
the secret to improving is drawing with other peoplei was a permaintermediate before i started joining magmas 7 years ago, my art has improved massively since then
>>7984435What’s a magma?Either way I do agree that having a community and talking with other people is critical. Even just visiting /ic/ regularly boosts my motivation
>>7984436>What’s a magma?it's one of those sites where you host a canvas and other people can join to draw stuff on ithttps://magma.com/
>>7983835>>7983372take breaks to draw and relaxe.g. I have a file that I just use to sketch random shit low commitment after work or in the evenings, doesn't have to be good. Helps you associate drawing with good feelings (relaxation, calm, fun)
I had something really weird happen to me and wanna blog about it. Back in January 2025, I woke up and thought "I'm sick of being a loser. From now on, I'm gonna try as hard as I can to level up, both in art and in my personal life." And so for the next 18 months, I just grinded every single day. I either worked on art, or I brainstormed -really- hard trying to figure out why my art was not successful. And sometimes I got really close, I made some art that people really responded to. But each and every time, I'd just hit some invisible glass ceiling, and all the progress I'd made so far would rapidly wither away and die. I have dozens of projects and pieces from Jan. 2025 to now and all of them are unfinished.But something weird happened. I was hot off the heels of my latest failure, when I stumbled into some footage of Kanye on the Charlie Rose show. In this interview, he says that the confidence has to come before the success or you'll never reach those heights. And not long after I stumbled into Kobe Bryant saying pretty much the same thing, so I said fuck it, I'll start believing it. I'll believe that I'm the genius artist I aspire to be. And somehow, overnight, I could just do it. I could just immediately start grinding away at my art, not even in minor ways, but in doing the exact things that I KNOW will make me a great artist, no matter how painful or tedious. In just a few days, I was able to produce stuff that is on par with the best stuff I made over the past 18 MONTHS, and yet I wasn't pushing myself at all. After this, I didn't feel tired, but I felt super anxious, and I still do. The moment I discovered that this is something you can actually do and it totally works, it's like I immediately became a different person. Now that I know the glass ceiling is fake, I can't just go back. But to fully accept myself as this super talented whatever, that's also a really scary thought. Because it's me, but not me at the same time. But I guess there's no choice.
My original motivations for drawing might have been kind of vain. When I started it was really just for the glory because I was lonely and didn't have any friends and I thought it would be a good way to unfuck myself socially because I saw potential in my own shitty doodles. Ironically though, now that I've improved a significant amount over the last six years and people are taking me seriously I actually find it more difficult to meet people I like more than ever. I don't really have much to discuss with non-creatives which means now I have an even smaller pool of people to talk to than ever, and even the people I know that I do consider creatives with potential seem to often slowly surrender their aspirations and give up on pursuing improvement in favor of playing LoL or something everyday because they're "too depressed."I do think my initial motivations have changed and I'm no longer really after the glory and I'm more after just making something I would think was giga kino if someone other than I made it, but the loneliness is still an issue. I still feel it and possibly worse than before
>>7977583i'm really struggling to finish projects 100% but i will spend a month drawing on one project until it's almost done and then decide that i've done all of the fun parts and get art block. i tell myself that i'll go back and finish them but i have several projects like that now. at the very least, incomplete projects give me reusable assets for future projects to make them less tedious.right now i'm taking breaks by playing star trek online, commissioning art from lowballing russian/latin artists on furaffinity, and playing chuddy culture warrior on deviantart and watching gamergate stuff on youtube. but i'm not really having fun with anything anymore. i need to get out of the house and take a day trip somewhere.right now, i'm counting down to october when i'm going to be able to afford a big 3D modeling project for a terran battlecruiser from starcraft, that i plan on creating floor plans for (200 meters or so, 7-8 decks, M36 scale).making assets for this ship here that i can reuse for the battlecruiser. need to rescale kitchen elements
>>7984711Not sure if I believe blind confidence will really immediately improve your own, but I have found for myself that when I internally larp as an "auteur" it does fill me with a certain kind of motivation. I have trouble believing I'm the real deal and can live up to my heroes, but it's kind of funny, when Gameoverse's pilot episode came out and people were making fun of the stupid Learnosaurus thing it filled me with a whole new motivation that says "I can't live up to my heroes, but I can definitely mog the shit out of the stuff coming out right now"
Today I found out that there's a Kim Jung-Gi onahole.
>>7984823Collectors item?
>fucking despised my wacom one's pen pressure>decide to change some settings here and there>do pic related>suddenly it feels more bearable what the hell
I've been really inspired by 3D works lately but it's so frustrating how much technical stuff is at the forefront of this type of artLike I can't just sit down and make something that looks nice like I can with illustration.. It has to be under a certain polycount or my pc explodes, it has to have good UVs or the texture will look like shit, it has to have good topology or it'll deform badly, rigging anything is hell, making something isn't just about "putting it down" like a brush stroke it's more like you're pulling and folding bits of paper until they look like what you want and meet all the mentioned technical requirements.idk why it's so appealing to me though, I guess there's just something cool about being able to "look around" a creature or a character.
>>7977583>Try out new style>It looks like AI
>wake up>blinks>2 hours passWhat the fuck
>>7984902I recently became interested in 3D art, too. I'm just starting out, but I understand what you mean. There's so much to learn about 3D art. Every question leads to something new that takes a lot of time to learn or fully understand. Also, my PC is kind of weak, so I have to be careful about what I do.
Bought a really nice watercolor and another new great eraser. Nice sick grabs for me today
>>7983188I feel that, but without my gf I wouldn't have done a lot of things differently.
How do you post on X? I see people rarely use hashtags but apparently it's better to have them? I always feel like I'm talking to the void when I post on social media so it feels pointless to share my thoughts there
Today i had some of the worst mental issues I have ever had, then I came across this guy's work (he Is a fucking redditor to boot) and that kind of mindbroke me because how could I, or anybody even, possibly come up with more creative and just fucking mesmerizing shit than he does? It made my mediocre (highball) creativity sink in
>>7985267Looks stupid tho. Too much style over substance. That's how graffiti writers draw. Just mindless "stylish" lines without having anything to say or paying any attention to perspective and anatomy..
>>7985275I wholeheartedly disagree, I would like tò say pyw but that doesnt have any meaning here in anime bigot land.
>>7985279I don't have to post anything here when you don't even post your own,, bigot.It's retarded Ren and Stimpy cartoon shit for Nickelodeon kids and stoners. It's hideous and has absolutely nothing to say.
>>7985283Boo-hoo.
>>7983115what?
>>7985126Based that's a great feeling. Honestly I love running to the local Michael's even if it's just to grab a new sketchbook or something, it's comfy and it smells nice in there.
Is the indie artist dream dead? The economy is in a downhill spiral. Inflation is affecting everything. AI is devaluing artist labor. The industry is more crowded than ever. Internet is filled with increasingly more bots flooding the algorithm with tidal waves of AI & AI-adjacent slop. How does an indie artist make a living in this environment?
I'm finally ready to be on social media, starting with X. Now I ask and please help, should I be "interacting" with others first including retweets and likes before posting my art? To prevent getting flagged as a bot
>>7985712Yea it's just a shame how expensive some colors are. They are often like 20 bucks for a small tube. I really don't have that money. I just bought the watercolor because it's a special color.
>>7985810it's great depression all over again. you will survive, like the artists of that era
>>7984895that's from CSP brush setting, right? wacom driver has pressure curve too
>artist I'm in a community with starts posting often while drunk>some early 20s kid>talks about drinking often>draws comics featuring characters being belligerent drunkards>I felt something was off but didn't say anything >eventually chatted again and he said he messed up his life>he's being put away for a long time bc of some shit he did while drunkI kinda knew it was going to go this way. It's a shame, his comics were pretty good.Been I think year an he hasn't posted anything, so ig yeah.idk the guy that well, but that's so young. I kinda wish I said something even if it wouldn't have stopped his alcoholism.
i love seeing other people's sketches and realizing the way I'm drawing isn't weird at all and I shouldn't feel bad for doing things the way I did when im just like everyone else
>>7985849when i am inevitably thrown into eternal solitary confinement or executed at least nobody will be sad, i dont get the appeal of parasitizing on people's emotions.
>>7985866i have never seem anybody sketch the way that i do, i can only assume its because it takes too high an iq
>>7985866Yeah I had to watch a lot of artists before I realized it was ok to just sketch however I wanted to. You don’t have to autistically always start with boxes or Vilppu gestures
>>7985849You sound like an american so he is in his natural habitat now which for americans is jail.
>>7982181now that I think about it yeah, boards will always have trolls and bad actors but on other boards you can tell they're just shitting things up for the fun of it. A lot of the bad actors on here are having actual manic episodes over not being able to draw and make it your problem, the moneyness and self pity is exclusive to here and r9k.
>>7982182Photobashing and tracing never TRULY became normalized and AI is that stuff x1000
>>7983712>>798337290% of drawing is mental and you need to be in a good place mentally to even get anything out of studies or drawing for fun. Unfortunately all the books and guides about drawing assumed you lived in a stable society where you had the prerequisite minimum time and energy to draw.
>notice doodle on canvas>birthday cake>my birthday was over a month ago( ಥ_ಥ)
which time is best to post on xitter?
>>7986359Doesn't matter.
I don't envy Third Worlders about much of anything, but one thing im jealous of is how easy it is to get a job in the animation/video game industry for them.Being SEA is like, the only way you can make a living off of your art these days.
>buy a new expensive color>it doesn't even look like it was advertisedWhat is this shit?
Gonna try to draw a lot today to make up for the fact that I’m quitting caffeine cold turkey so I’ll be in severe withdrawal this time tomorrow
Gonna stop giving advice and getting into retarded art pedagogy arguments. I think I'm one of those guys who substitutes gaining art knowledge for art skill and the internet provides an open forum for me to get my art dopamine fix fighting over the best way to learn rather than when I'm in the trenches actually drawing
>Still with the same drawing for a month>Barely finished with the clean up of the figure but have not added clothing yetHow do others manage to finish illustrations so quickly with life in between? Everyone has got to have a job which siphons away most if not all of your time during the day, so how do others do it?
>>7986660A month is waaaaay too long. Trust me I’ve been there. It’s a trap you want to avoid. If you can’t finish the underlying sketch in a couple days then it’s beyond your current skill level. Take a break from it, go do some studies on a related subject matter and then come back to it later.
>>7986673Now that you mentioned it I had to foreshorten both arms and redraw them with the hands like three different times until it looked right kek
>>7986678Yeah redrawing things multiple times isn’t bad in itself, it’s how you learn. You should be identifying mistakes and correcting them. But if you’re on the same drawing for a month then you’re just flailing at that point. Better to just go do a bunch of general hand and perspective studies.
>>7986660For me it's always the fear of drawing which eats away most of the time. I like drawing but it's also scary because you always have to listen to your intuition and can never be 100% sure if what you are doing is right. So you end up not drawing at all because you don't want to ruin your current drawing. I have this even when drawing digitally although I could just easily undo mistakes there. The drawing becomes sacred and you don't want to defile it.
found a kitten in the dumpster. he's adorable but won't let me fucking draw I can only do it when he's asleep. I imagine this is like a trial version of what having a newborn child must be like
>>7985267it looks amazing to you because you are in a completely different tech tree for your style. That artist didnt invent that style, he was influenced by artists that draw similar things, hes on the Tim Burton tree so if you were familiar with this kind of art you could see the conventions this artist used.
if I wake up with no motivation, the entire day is a wash and I cant draw if bad news shows up on my screen (which it always does) the day is ruined and I can't drawif my family has some kind of problem (which it always does) then the day is ruined and I cant drawnobody tells you that you need have a stable life to draw. skill, focus, none of that matters if half your brainpower is spent fighting the urge to kill yourself.
>>7987108That's just taken for granted in any complex/productive activity, not just drawing
>>7987108those are called excuses, any inconvenience happens and you immediately use it as justification for not drawing because you don't want to take responsibility for not putting in the hours, you instead point to something elseweak
>>7987168okay then whats the answer? And dont say "just draw" I have to be into the idea for anything good to come out. There has to be a cheat to make yourself want to draw.
>>7987171go to a therapist, you probably have problems beyond not being able to draw
>>7987172>he believes in therapylemme guess you believe in drawabox too?
>>7987175Not him but you're investing more time talking about it than actually drawing.
>>7987175lemme guess youve always made excuses and have never followed through with anything in your entire life
>>7987108>if I wake up with no motivation, the entire day is a wash and I cant drawAsk yourself why you have no motivation and try to fix it>if bad news shows up on my screen (which it always does) the day is ruined and I can't drawNews are always bad. Good news are boring. Just don#t think about it.>if my family has some kind of problem (which it always does) then the day is ruined and I cant drawJust stay away from your family then or learn to keep some distance at least. Pity is for retards and prostitutes.You have to learn to enjoy the suffering to be able to do what you want. You also need solitude to be able to be yourself. If you have contact to people they will only distract you from your way.
Everything I've done in traditional is better than anything I've done in digital.
>>7987212I've started to really enjoy digital too. At least for lineart it can be really really good.
How do you decide the battle of "spend more time on it and try to make it look as good as you can" vs "just move on and finish it so you can start another one"?I think I'm just too slow because I can't just push through and finish stuff. I always think and think about what I should do.
Working with digital can become tedious as fuck tho, that's for sure
>>7986539>quitting caffeine cold turkeydon't do that, just wean yourself off it
>>7987355Already did actually! The peak was about 12 hours ago, seems to be mostly over now.I’m impatient in general and I like things to just be over, I don’t have the self control to wean gradually… (maybe that’s why I’m still so shit at drawing too)
>>7987276“Just too slow”, what parts are you getting stuck on exactly? Sketching or rendering?
>>7987510Sketching and inking I guess. Coloring is rather just fun to me. The drawing is what's difficult.I definitely should try o keep my drawings relatively simple. I'm just too slow to draw really ambitious pictures
would you quit your day job to work as an artist for half the pay and double the hours?
>>7987683I work 40 hours a week so no, there’s nothing in the world that I would want to do for 80 hours a week.Half the pay though, yeah in a heartbeat. My needs are few and I don’t spend much anyway.
>>7987525If it’s taking you more than a day or two to finish the underlying drawing then it’s because it’s beyond your current skill/knowledge level. Do studies on the specific things you’re having trouble with
I wanted to open comms but it feels so embarrassing to do that while knowing no one will order anything because my profile barely gets seen on X.
>>7987905Nobody will care, and if you must just post one of your own personal drawings and claim it was a commission. There's no integrity on the Internet especially social media everything is fake and gay.
>>7987735>Do studies on the specific things you’re having trouble withMy main trouble is always to just draw. That's the hardest part about all this. Just sitting down and drawing for hours everyday.
i have hydrated, my headache is gone, i have shitted and i have stopped crying uncontrollably. it's art time, baby.
>>7987957god I wish that were me but I always get stuck forever at the crying uncontrollably part
Fuck you you’re a bunch of aholes
>>7987932NTA but admittedly a good solution to being seen as having literally zero demand
Making gif's/emoticons on my cytube channelHow do people remove backgrounds from their images efficiently? Especially from old anime where the image quality can be pretty crunchy and stuff like magic wand wont work.I'm sure nowadays AI would be the answer for job like this, but how did, lets say, AMV artist's back then removed backgrounds from shots they needed, the way i do it atm is just manually cutting the character from the bg and doing some line enhancing afterwards, but doing this for even 10 frames of relatively simple art will take like +1h of work.Using csp
lately i cant convert the first phase of thumbnails that i like into something perspectively sound, its time to buy a desk and comfy seats and do shit with 3d
another day wasted experimenting with animation. Whenever artists see my wip illustrations they say it would look good animated. Then I waste a day trying to make the piece work as a gif. I'm jealous of artists that can animate.
>>7988247It’s not wasted if you learned something. :^)
>>7985275Crazy. I second the PYW request as I'm genuinely curious about what kind of finished drawings/polished sketches someone with this mentality would draw.
I want to get into the world of traditional painting on large canvases, but the idea of having to be social is stopping me. I'd have to travel, set up booths, meet or potentially sell ideas on my paintings to strangers face to face is killing me inside. Isolation has comforted me for so long. Can hardly make acquaintances online, how the fuq do normies do it?
>>7985247iirc the hashtag is mostly just text now. If you have too many of them you get penalized. Some communities do use hashtag so they aren't completely useless.
>working on a piece for weeks>think it's finally done>save it>wake up the next day>notice something off and go back to it>repeat ad infinitum
>go back to twitter>See a bunch of artists that go for the same concepts as me but a thousand time better and fasterYeah I remember why im left, im a jealous little bitch
>>7988736Use this tool wisely.
>>7987683No way lolNot unless I relocate to some comfy third world nation where cost of living is hilariously cheap and get paid in USD.
My art simply never "feels right", there's always a mistake or something that feels off. Like there's a glaring problem that I can't see but everyone else can and they're secretly cringing at me.
>>7988757pyw?It’s normal to judge your own art more harshly than other people’s art. But also if you’re /beg/ or /int/ then yeah your art will just suck for a while until you git gud
>>7988746I feel like getting over it would be the better way desu ir just post my shiii and not engage
>>7988810The algo will continue to flood your timeline with content you do not want to engage with so what's the point.
ya'll ever catch yourself mentally pressing ctrl+s on a traditional drawing?
>>7988845No but I keep mistakenly having full confidence that I could flip the canvas
>>7988849You can get a small hand mirror and use that to “flip the canvas” when drawing on paper, it’s quicker than taking a pic with your phone
Is there a skill ranking list of /ic/ regulars? I've been mentally compiling a list of people to defeat anime protagonist style, but it would be nice if the legwork it's already done on that?
>>7988875pyw
>>7988515Back then trad artist could get themselves a patron, a patron would introduce them to their friends, to their circle or society, it gives them plenty of jobs and commsiions, if not patron then they are usually belongs to a group/guild taking commisions from people ever since they were still a student. These days trad artist would have to get themselves a gallery, sell their art to gallery, sign contract with gallery, and gallery wants them to create exhibition and meet people. Most of the time its one thing that led to another, that's just how job works in general. Average trad artist dont just get themselves a name out of nowhere or paint a famous government guy portrait all of a sudden, no, they have to introduce themselves somehow, show people what are they capable of, they have to start somewhere and socializing is one of the requirement for. Its still the same for digital artist except they use social media account in order to do so. But that's if you want to make a career as an artist. Its a whole different story if you just treat the entire medium as a hobby and have another source of income somewhere where you dont have to worry about not being able to make it and just draw things for fun
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>>7988875I am at the very bottom because I am permaprebeg.
>>7988875You will not defeat me
my lack of sleep is catching up to me i guess, today's drawing session (the imagination portion) went very, very poorly. i gotta stop reverse bedtime procrastination or whatever
An artist I know personally and respected turned out to be stupid.She was watching some raunchy anime and complaining it was raunchy.. Saying>Sometimes I think we should be censoring these japsI explained to her that some series she loves like Dorohedoro are too gruesome to be made from a censurous society. But she just went>No, no that's different. Do women just get dumber with age?I resent that I have to respect her for being a genuinely skilled artist while holding such dumb fucking opinions.
>>7990352generalizing whole groups of people based on an interaction with one person is very low IQ
>>7990352>Do women just get dumber with age?You answered your own question.
>>7988845Last time i sketched on paper i caught myself trying to click the paper with two fingers from the left hand (ctrlz gesture in krita)
>>7990352Women are very solipsistic by nature, they don't really understand the concept of fairness
>>7990352just because you can't figure what the difference is doesn't mean others are dumb, could just mean you're autistic which given where we are is far more likely.but at the same time, everyone gets dumber in some way as they age. women on the otherhand are dumb regardless
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