How do I design characters that appeal to men, other than just making the women really curvy - that part I already know.I'm working on a project and want to make sure there's enough for the male audience to chew on. I'm already good at appealing to women.
>>7982390Bob and Vagene
>>7982390it doesn't take much, just draw women with a lot of skins showing.
>>7982391I know that! It's at the top of my list.
>>7982390I'm not training your AI, Anthropic employee.
>>7982390Every man wants one or more of the following>to fuck his mom>to fuck his sister>to fuck his daughter >to fuck a guy (but as an attractive woman)>to fuck an alienUse these as templates for creating characters. Like "daughter" isn't necessarily literal, and can be used as the basis for a female character who is missing both her hands and relies on the male self insert character to do everything. In the same vein, an alien can mean a tentacle woman, an emotionless robot woman or a black woman.
women and effeminates will never get this
>>7982416too unrealistic
>>7982418yeah, that's the point
>>7982413You've made me think, Anon. Let's go through this...>Attraction to a figure with power over you; a desire to overturn, or else embrace.>Attraction to a figure that's taboo; a desire to break a long-standing rule>Attraction to a figure that you have power over; a desire to excise that power, or else, give the full range of physical "comforts" to someone you care for>Attraction to a friendly figure; a desire to break through the platonic line into something deep and passionate>Attraction to the unfamiliar; all of the above relationships are based on familiar things, so the final category is an attraction to the strange and alienThat makes sense.
>>7982390Slutty clothing should be top of the list.It can be subtle or full stripperific but there should be something about the character's outfit that communicates "I want to fuck"Everything else is just body type preferences and specific fetishes.
>>7982390>other than just making the women really curvysometimes its not even this since not every guy likes his women thicc
>>7982390I like to see short skirts and lots of makeup on a girl. Works 100% of the time
>>7982390One of the main things is in the details. Certain lines and suggestions trigger the right neurons. Men are perverted in vast/diverse ways, so you need to narrow your focus. It does not need to be really curvy. A thin flat girl can trigger all the right neurons with the right lines.Here's a random example. The small concave of the socks pressed against the thigh, the lines on the crotch, the tummy lighting/shadow, etc... All details of neuron triggering.
>>7982390Poost art anon, I want to see what you have
>>7982390You are not appealing to the male gaze, you are appealing to the jeet and subhuman gaze.
>>7982390Men's tastes are a lot more varied than most women realize. You can't go wrong with the classic small waist, wide hips, long shimmering hair, etc -- but men could also go for fat women, flat women, any race or size, it doesn't really matter. For some men the "standard 10/10" hot women will leave them cold, but they'll randomly be really into an "average" looking woman because she just happens to have some feature that really appeals to them. Ditto for "archetypes" -- men could be into submissive tradwives, or sadistic dominatrixes, or crazy yanderes (see picrel), or a gentle but stern mother figure, or tomboys, or anything in between. What appeals to one guy won't appeal to another.If I had to identify one theme that tied all the different fantasies together, I suppose it would be something like... a sense of security and certainty? Men feel like they have to constantly demonstrate their masculinity and competence to compete for women's attention; if they let the act drop and show their vulnerability, she might end up not being attracted to him anymore. A woman saying "you don't have to worry, I'm committed to you for life, even if you fail it's ok because I'm not going anywhere" is the ultimate male dream. Of course he doesn't want to feel like he's being PITIED either -- usually this is paired with a power fantasy of sorts where the guy simply is competent enough to win her affection legitimately. But having that underlying safety net where he feels like he's truly appreciated for "who he is" rather than what he can do or accomplish is still very comforting.
>>7982488This.Retards think all the meme shit they see on twitter is representative of what males like when in reality it's only the same 1000 people pushing their fetishes with the help of bot accounts.Also whoever uses male gaze unironically clearly is in feminist/tranny circles.
>>7982492It's a pretty useful term. Men and women are different, so there's things men want to see, and things women want to see. Unless you believe men and women are fundementally the same, which is a more wvke stance than feminism.
>a useful term>which is always used as a derogatory description>trying to describe what women would like is instantly met with hostility and accusations of misoginysm as per a previous thread on this board>"unless you are the strawman i make you out to be"and there you goWhat are you; 1 of the thousands or a tranny?
>>7982493The female gaze is more obsessed than the male gaze, we just see a good ass and that's it we move on, women hyper obsess with them. If you want to appeal to men you need to make someone or something to protect, something that keeps the dream alive. If you want to appeal to SEA/Jeet coomers then it doesn't really matter, they'll just fap to whatever.
>>7982399you're way overthinking several aspects which i guess does confirm your pussy. congratulations. anyway, smoking is incredibly hot and most people do not remotely care if a fictional character smokes unless theyre a 35 yo mom of two, aka not a male, aka not relevant. guys like fictional smokers, it's badass. of course if your entire cast are chainsmokers then that kind of becomes a ridiculous picture but i'm sure you can practice moderation and discretion. your bit about tattoos is also off and kind of funny too, there's a distaste for tattoos just as much as there clearly is a taste for it, meaning you can relegate these aspects to just one character. typically goths have tats so, there's your black lipstick girl. same with piercings, give the goth a piercing man. one area where men absolutely don't care to complain about are ear piercings and earrings, given it's very typical for a woman to have those. you can get creative and do helixes and shit. anyway truthfully i think you're off to a bad start here by trying to appeal to a demographic you don't even really understand--i dont know where the sharp teeth thing comes from, i know women who will go gaga over that but not men. i think you may want to stick with appealing to women given your confidence. well, cheers bitch
you discuss statistical truth about women pornographic consumption and they call you names.Meanwhile "women" make up their own fantasy scenarios about men and call you woke for telling them the truth.
>>7982497>If you want to appeal to SEA/Jeet coomers then it doesn't really matter, they'll just fap to whatever.Anon, they won't accept this because they already made up a whole reality in their heads and started to believe it.
i read the thread and all that would appeal to the male gaze is everything that would rather appeal to the female gaze
Read Yowa Yowa Sensei
>>7982486Kinna outing myself here, but take a looksie.Here's all my sketches where I'm deliberately trying to show off a certain character's body/faceI didn't mean anything by this thread, by the way - I really do just want to become a better artist, and knowing how to appeal to people is part of that. I've never socialized much with men or women.>>7982498I can only go off of my personal experiences, and I don't want this thread to be about me, so I'll take your word for it. I do overthink.
Shit I mean I guess it depends on what you want.If you wanna appeal to nothing but gooners just draw busty women showing skin.If you want to attract a somewhat more normal audience, simply represent a healthy relationship where the two people love each other dearly.Getting opinions on what the public likes from 4chan of all places is a horrible move though, trying to gather what most people enjoy from such an extremist corner of the internet is like trying to fish for tuna at the bottom of the mariana trench, rather, if you have irl male friends, ask them, hopefully they're normal well adjusted people.
>goreand this is who is trying to convince people what men like
>>7982528Pretty sure it's the opposite way aroundIt's someone trying to be convinced
>>7982529no yeah it's definitely the other way around, this guy is just actually, unironically and factually retarded
Lazy fucking foidPhilTomato gets it and she's a retard, youre just lazy and stupid.The male gaze is for males dumb bitch
>>7982520Ic Ic, hmmmmmmmmThe face is pretty unappealing for I would say since it has a manly feel to it (her eye in the top left is interesting though), the hairstyle doesn't help either.I would check on those aspects If you want to make her more appealing to the male gaze.If these pointers helped you into what to check specifically then its good. But any anon can refute this too.
>>7982390Men's tastes are very varied, >>7982413 has covered the gist of it but as you can probably surmise the first four are about fucking someone they believe they can trust while the fifth is fucking something so beyond alien, unpredictable and/or very powerful that they're absolutely thrilled that the creature in question wants the man's dick inside them or wants to take care of him, I think this applies to why men enjoy crazy girls as well. In the case of robot girls I think that applies to both extreme ends of the spectrum at least if the robot can display some degree of autonomy or personality (which is why men don't fuck cars but get hopelessly enamored with AI chatbots who bend over for every whim)The problem when the trust level is in the middle of the road is that (i.e. an actual stranger with complicated feelings and their own experiences) is that trust and power will be given but whether but the potential negative outcomes are just uncomfortable enough that they aren't sure if its worth it (maybe the alien thing is about the immediacy of trust from a powerful being?), I think this especially applies in recent time where there are men who avoid women now because they believe women are an unpredictable waste of time now and not in the fun crazy sense, as trust here also applies to trusting that negative outcomes will occur frequently.Obviously, it helps if the woman is very cute and/or sexy as well, but again very subjective. Finding out common anime archetypes is your best bet here, but in general men prefer long hair (except when going for the tomboy route) and... I don't know. Just don't make a complete bimbo and make sure not to make her disrespect a man. I mean, there's technically some degree of sass and playfulness you can run with but this is VERY hard to explain, you can probably just research female characters that terminally online men explicitly don't like.Men and women's tastes are remarkably similar if you think about it.
>>7982556wow i typed this like shit, i hate proofreadingbut yeah if you're catering to the male gaze/heart all you really have to do is make the girl predictable and also not make fun of things that men find valuable. Drama is a man's worst enemy (unless they're the ones with the power to stop it) and is never worth any sort of thrill that comes with it
>>7982541Appreciate the input!People do say I have a habit of making my women all look too much like men - I just draw men a lot more, so, it's a habit that's hard to break. And it seems the harder I try to make Mehitabel look feminine, the more she looks like a lesbian psycho. Which she isn't. She's a straight psycho.I'm trying to thread the "creepy" vibes and the attractive vibes. I want her to be almost zombie-like. As for her hair. . . tell me more about it! Why's it unappealing to you? It's based off of a certain cat character I'm a fan of. They even have the same name. I maybe didn't adapt it well.>>7982562>>7982556"Predictable" is gonna be a problem for her. But I'm mostly talking about design here, rather than personality - the two are entwined, but I like to take notes when I can.
>>7982567yeah I know you asked about design but I think you can see from most of the thread that many men jumped towards setting the personality first because it will heavily dictate how you design the character and their mannerisms that are visible from it. Frieren is a pretty good example of a character who appeals a lot to men even though she's not very gaze-y, most of it comes down to her personality which is also reflected on her design.When men like a crazy/unpredictable girl you really have to provide a bigger sense of unfamiliarity, but not in an uncomfortable psychological way, but rather weaving familiar and trustworthy traits with other design ideas that feel completely foreign. It's genuinely hard to explain, but as far as I remember men liked pic (Glory from Shadowrun Returns) but I never played it myself.Don't know if you're down for using manga as study material but if you want crazy and violent girls that appeal to men, Star Strike It Rich is VERY good at showing off what divides crazy girls as protagonists and crazy girls as antagonists, both in design and in personality. Even girls with similar design traits between the sides will have different skillsets which are great at making the antagonists look a lot more dangerous even to men.
>>7982574oh I forgot to mention that the protag/villain divide in strike it rich doesn't happen early on as many of the initial establishing fights have opponents that join the protagsalso I probably should've mentioned it but as you can see, Glory has long hair. Long hair is king
>>7982574>>7982577Personality is what makes people stay, but design is what makes people come. That's come, with an o and and e, not any other word. And getting people to come in the first place is a lot of the ball game. It doesn't matter how good your story is if people don't read it! People really do judge books by covers.>When men like a crazy/unpredictable girl you really have to provide a bigger sense of unfamiliarityWhat I'm reading is that I might want to make Mehitabel weirder. All of her inspirations (I dug up an old moodboard for this I made at the start fo the project) are fairly typical. Maybe it's time to get Stranger.>If you're down for using manga as study materialI often use manga as reference when making art. I'm not very into anime or manga, but I've been studying Shoujo Tsubaki a lot lately, alongside Takato Yamamoto. I will give that comic a read some time.>Crazy girls as protagonists and crazy girls as antagonistsDoes this girl seem an antagonist? She's our protagonist, and doesn't have an immediate "crazy girl (evil)" counterpart. But it's probably going to happen. I'm heavily inspired by Panty and Stocking. It Will Happen.I'll have to draw her with long hair later...
>>7982498Smoking is not hot wtf are you on>>7982520Nah you were correct ive known smokers irl and that shit disgust me
>>7982488Spoken like a marriage virgin It's sunshine and rainbows until you both change and start to hate each other but need to live together because you have a kid
>>7982390Lolis
>>7982712I agree
>>7982520male here. there is absolutely nothing appealing about that character design.
>>7982440>short skirt>and a long jacket.
>>7982399Show us the female gaze list.I'd like to learn.
>>7982902I've gotta go, but some notes to expand on later:Youthful, neotenous featuresInviting and open to the viewer, signaling that she's available to "you" (opposite of this is a character like Bayonetta, who's very look but don't touch, being lewd for herself but not you)Hairstyles and hair colours having a visual language in character design, especially in anime (e.g. girl with short blue hair vs. long red hair)Differences between east and west, and how america likes maturity while japan likes immaturity. Different people will have different cultural preferences, but the american way is seen as an aberration of normalcy (i.e. most men want young, untainted girls, but american media pushes the image of a mature woman who grows up fast, wears heels, red lipstick, and stockings, smokes, and other gross shit). Use these sparingly, they can all be a huge turnoff for a lot of men.
>>7982902I have more familiarity and nuance with this so I haven't written it out as fully but the long and short of it is that power dynamics play a bigger role than with men, it seems, and it's split heavily between two axises: werewolf/vampire and successful/pathetic>Werewolf Lovers Who like physical power dynamics, where a far stronger partner either overpowers them, or COULD overpower them, but due to their relationship, refuses to and lets himself be dominated instead. >Vampire Lovers Who like emotional power dynamics, where a charismatic or socially powerful man leverages that invisible power over a woman, or a man becomes desperately obsessed with a woman despite himself, invariably being frustrated that all his intelligence/charisma/social power comes to naught in front of her.A lot of series double down on both: Take Boyfriend To Death's Strade, or like any characters from The Freak Circus. Fuck, this applies to most (based) dating sims.Then there's the success/pathetic angle. How straight are we playing these archetypes? Is the werewolf actually a big strong confident man, or is he just an insecure guy trying to flex? There's a big fantasy of being "the one exception" - for example, being the one person a serial killer won't kill, or being the one person the Vampire CAN'T charm, and so he becomes obsessed with chasing them because they're The One Thing He Can't Have. Often times characters ping-pong between successful and pathetic depending on headcanon.There's also whumps, who fit into an ENTIRELY different category not in any of these axes. There's a lot more I know. I have more experience talking to women about what they like than men.>>7983076That's not what female gaze means, anon! Not in this context anyway...
>>7982399Seeing the archetypes male spaces tend to fanboy around and deducing that men enjoy reducing characters into tropes feels like it might be a bit of projection on your end. A neat narrative spun up because you want fit males into the archetype of caring a lot about archetypes.Males dislike fitting into broad predictable labels, probably even this one, which is why when you try to fit them onto neat trends like 'men like x and dislike y', they come out trying to prove how unique and special they are.I think females dislike this too, especially when men do it to them, but then there are also things like astrology where women self sort through superstitious star signs and card readings, so who knows.I think a fairer conclusion would be that males enjoy contrasting personality traits. 'the bratty flatlet' being short but headstrong, 'the tomboy' being female but more masculine, 'the mommydom' being comforting but strict, 'the bitchy queen' being smug and confident but secretly submissive, or just a female being dominant in general is enough of a contrast in a sense. So the male gaze often likes archetype breaking archetypes I guess.Males need for validation, and their desire to avoid coming off as being validation seeking is definitely a thing you can appeal too. Being looked down upon as simple or weak but then getting catharsis through proving others perception of you wrong. You can definitely give characters archetypes, but don't have those be the end all be all, have complexity hidden within. Like a coward suddenly showing bravery, or someone perfect and heroic faltering.For reading or watching to get a better sense for the male gaze story wise, I'd say 'Solo leveling' and 'The Eminence in Shadow' are good examples of male validation slop.>>7982520For the art specifically, I think the one in the middle bowing is the most appealing. Pretty eyes, eyelids, eyelashes and eyebrows can do a lot for the male gaze. The top left is a little bit too uncanny.
>>7982390cute beats cool
>>7983139I appreciate the insightI don't mean to come off as reductive in this thread, or to start some blase gender war like it's 2015. I know every person has their own tastes and you can't design something to appeal to everyone, and you can't fit everyone neatly into trends and categories. But fact is there are certain things more people like than other things, and it'd make me a better artist to KNOW what those things are, even if I don't use them.About contrast: People seem to be really into that, and I don't think I'm thinking about it enough! I'm always thinking about contrasts in character pairings (I'm a shipper at heart, it's incurable) but people like characters that have a front and a back - not just "people like layered characters", that's some entry level "half an hour long video essay conclusion" stuff. People specifically like characters with a lot of duality. A kind character that looks scary, a scary character who looks unsuspecting, easy stuff. Mehitable is already kind of like that, but I could make it clearer in her design.>the one in the middleI really like that drawing myself, but I worry it makes her look too stuffy and demanding. She's a wild, irreverent character who's dignified but also a punk and a slut. Top left being uncanny is good, but that sketch was for a cover page, so I shouldn't do that. I'll save expressions like this for panels when Mehitable needs to be a little freak.
>>7982711yeah dreaming about having a relationship and actually having one is Depressing
I would recommend to study the design of the female characters from hellsing. Feels like that is the design you are trying to emulate / portray with your protagonist. Victoria, Seras is a good example of a female character that can be cute, sexually appealing while being sometimes intimidating.
>>7983161Foid hands foid proportions this is not doing it.
>>7984085What?
>>7982390>trying to appeal to men>not trying to appeal to highschool girlsPretty gay mate
>>7984126Pretty certain he means that the hands are too distinctively drawn by a woman by having too much focus/shape put into them, as a really, really exaggerated example think of yaoi hands or those HD soles feetfags draw
>>7982567Here's my interpretation to show what I mean, an image is better than a long ass explanation, your version is too manly
>>7982390Seeing how you guys seem to be focusing on "feminine" qualities ITT.Could I ask this? I am designing a "screen face" character.Ignoring the idea of simply making her robotic body look feminine.Is there a way to design her face that would still convey her femininity while sticking to this kind of minimal features look (just showing her glasses/eyes and her mouth)?She is meant to be an adorkable, bookwormish type who is loquacious (once she starts talking, she will kind of ramble into multiple subjects), and if "overstimulated," will blue screen and reboot after a minute.
>>7982488t. incel that unironically believe in real life love>Lol>Lmao even>>7982390Just look at Gacha games, they mastered the art of creating character designs that appeal to the male and female gazes.#List of suggestions#>Nikke Goddess of Victory (Male Gaze)>Snowbreak (Incel Gaze)>Azur Lane (Otaku Gaze)>Uma Musume (Yakuza Gaze)>Blue Archive (Lolicon Gaze)>Love and Deepspace (Female Gaze)It's important to make a distinction that Female Gaze can be subdivided by Fujoshis (Female Troons aka FtM) and Yumejos (Femcels)P.S. They hate each other and they don't overlap that much which is surprising
>>7984133Nice dubsThanks for translating, that is what i meant. But also the proportions. Long arms like a yokai and undefined legs. Chris Sanders might be able to help, and if you don't believe my gender theory, this is also why lilo and stitch is such a pick-me tomboy stereotype. Disney knows this.
>>7984081I REALLY need to get into this series! It's got an incredibly pretty and striking aesthetic. I've mostly seen nazi vampires splattered by blood swastikas out of the series, but I'm sure there's more.>>7984133>>7984176I just really like drawing hands! I like to think I've gotten better since then, but my hands always look strange. This particular character just has really long arms, though - I like how they make her look corpse- or spirit-like.>>7984141So if I make the hair come further down the forehead and fall more over the face, that makes it work better? It certainly looks more punk like. I'm trying to avoid overusing hair over one eye since I'm very weak for it, but, it's my protagonist, if there's anywhere I should cash those chips in...But she really does look like a lesbian now.>>7984150What you have is perfectly fine.If in doubt, add eyelashes. You may also add little flecks to the corner of her eyes which give the impression of a feminine eye shape. Consider using Steven Universe's Peridot as a reference. She's the very same archetype, and has a similar face.
>>7984175>Foids in different cliques don't click.Shocking.
>>7984150There's not much you need to change
>>7982390Rather irrelevant to the discussion at hand but please make sure to end a command/demand with a full stop, it just doesn't come over as stern without it and comes across as rather clumsy in my opinionOf course one could extrapolate that the person demanding it is instead getting carried away by their own desires in the heat of the moment and as a result is losing themselves a bit, but this isn't quite communicated well enough from what little context is shown here
>>7982390licking a Woman's heels already sounds male gazey enough lol
>>7984310>>7984341Thanks for the advice, I gotta say the single eyelash "spike" really does look great.It adds that ever-so-slight feminine trait I feel was missing.And I think I can already see it at different angles to accentuate different expressions.Thank you guys for the input.
>>7984409its not? thats grossthis thread is so retarded 90% of ot must be samefag
>>7982390I remember plebcomics making an example of "a character designed to appeal to the internet" (men). She looked like a cross between Kuroki Tomoko and Loona from Helluva Boss.Men generally like Gothic women and women with curves. Light skin with dark hair and clothes, a bit of edge to them. It's why Raven from Teen Titans remains popular. >>7982556A constant is that men want a woman who's emotionally vulnerable but is also emotionally mature to an extent. Not completely helpless but not asocial either.
I want to fuck a female xenomorph
>>7982390Best way to do it in 2k26 is shape the character like a wood plank and imply she's 5-12 years old
>>7984507also make her a xenomorph
>>7982390Something that's worth pointing out is that men tend to differ in terms of psyche: Otto Weininger wrote about this in Sex and Character, you can see the parallels with Jung and the Anima/Animus.>A man with a pronounced female-leaning psyche will be drawn towards women who have more pronounced male-leaning psyches.>Likewise, men with masculine-leaning psyches will be drawn towards women with feminine-leaning psyches.What's important to distinguish is that this is purely about the Mind: physical attraction tends to be a combination of genetic inheritance and influence from outside sources. A man will be sexually attracted to a woman who resembles his mother as well as the women he is exposed to growing up.>>7982413Freud was kinda right in the end.
>>7982413>>7982422>>7984518Okay, but then what's the opposite case?What's the (closest to a) middle ground of attraction between the sexes?
>>7984536The middle ground would be characters that are equally masculine as they are feminine in terms of psyche.We can look at Misato for a great example of this: she can be incredibly immature such as in her relationship with Kaji, her slovenly lifestyle, and half of her interactions with Shinji. Very conflict-avoidant, sensual, tries to make excuses for her poor actions, has poor emotional control, and is very vulnerable.At the same time, Misato is shown to be "the man" of the household. She's blunt, stoic, commands Shinji, has a "so what" attitude when it comes to her impulsivity, and driven. Serious.For an example of a male character who embodies that middle ground of masculinity and femininity, that would probably be someone like Alucard from Hellsing or DIO from JJBA.
>>7982390the top hentai boorus most read works should be of interest to you, you will notice any and all vaguely female looking character has a broad appeal as long as it is drawn by a talented artistmen are visual creatures, you don't need a sophisticated design, just a well drawn figuretherefore the question is "what is an appealing figure for most men", not a design question as in outfit or personality.look into ahemaru, hirame, menyouian, YD...
>>7984545DIO:masculine psyche:>craves power about all else>literal superpower manifests as control over a fundamental law of the universe>composed, ruthless, and uncompromising>extremely violent and brutal>enslaves others, mind controls people by literally implanting pieces of himself in them>literally named after God in Italian>attempts to dominate a patriarchal bloodline>refuses to be under the control of anyone else>fucks women and then sucks their bloodfeminine psyche:>likes to dress-up and wears makeup>canonically parties at clubs>nurturing and seductive allure towards followers>emotionally intimate dynamic with Pucci>grooms his followers, has others do his work for him>is extremely emotionally volatile when the mask slips>"shapeshifter" both in aesthetics and psychology>literally obsessed with a man to the point of stealing his body>had a child with said man's body>incredibly egotistical and flamboyant>big evil plot revolves around everyone (including himself) knowing what their fate is and surrendering free will
Thinking about it you can only do a xenomorph cowgirl or doggy. Because of the head thing she can't lay down on the bed so no missionary or mating press. I love mating press so Im sadterrible design for a humanoid who can't lay down but I'd still fuck her in all the other positionsa yautja is fine too
>>7982390There are only two Female archtypes and they're defined by how a man sees himself interacting with themWomen to Protect (the bratty loli, naïve noble lady, childhood friend,etc)Woman to compete with/conquer (Tomboy, Maternal lady, Friend's elder sister, Cocky Classmate,etc)the Second ultimately transition into the First as the story progresses be it by a chink in the armor/a moment of weakness leading to dependency all other superficial/cosmetic features can be mixed around but they will fall into either of these Categoryyou can really compress my points into that calvin's dad explains polarity of a concept meme
>>7984872>Woman to compete with/conquer (Tomboy, Maternal lady, Friend's elder sister, Cocky Classmate,etc)You know that some men want to BE conquered right?Male sexual desire is just as highly varied as female sexual desire. Not all men are the same
>ITT>retards missing the critical point that men enjoy pornography entirely with their dicks, not their feelingsI like the tomboy because she makes my dick hardI like the milf because she makes my dick hardI like the taller woman because there is MORE woman to make my dick hardAll i want from pornography is to make my dick hard, stories and setting should be an excuse to show naked women doing sex so i can beat my meat.All i want as a man is to beat my meat. I do not give a single shit about their personalities or relationships. Just let me beat my meat.
>>7982390How do you create a successfully attractive female character>If she's cruel and mean and a bitch make sex feel like losing>If she's genuine and sincere and has humility make sex feel like winning. Male sexual psychology is based on carthasis.Visual appearance can be whatever you want, men really don't give a shit. It's a lot less focused on the man's physical pleasure and a lot more focused on his influence over her. Usually the way stories aimed at men progress is the man's presence in the story will flip the girls circumstances one way or the other. >>7982413These archetypes are also helpful, but I would say you could include >The Inferior (His slave, the neet girl next door, the prostitute) >The superior (His boss, the school bully, the rich girl) You could view a Mother or an Older Sister as a superior. Or the daughter or the monster girl as an inferior. The idea of fucking a guy on gender bend thing is more of an AGP tranny fantasy.
>ITT: Ten different anons give incompatible definitions of male sexuality, with the same level of confidence
>>7985027The idea of rewarding a girl who deserves it, or the idea of punishing a girl who deserves to feel sexually gratifying to men. You don't even need to show the man enjoying himself and a lot of male oriented sexual narratives don't even bother. They just present a headless body or even a man with a completely blank face. The focus should be entirely on the female character and the sex appeal is derived from her response to the man. Any character can be visually appealing if you draw something conventionally physically attractive, but a truly truly attractive female character will be subjected to the best or worst (depending on what she deserves) actions of her man.
>>7982520I need to look this up, this shits great.
>>7985030Male sexuality is like that. Fluid and dynamic. What I like won't inspire what others like and so on. My favorite to like or draw is Eclipsa Butterfly. She activates my almonds. I doubt others would feel the same.
>text>xray of penis in vagina>man visiblethis shit only appeals to women and effeminates
>>7985036Oh, you mean the comic?Unfortunately it's still very early days - you don't want to do design work halfway through something! - and I haven't posted it on like, a tumblr or anything. Back in my day people used tumblr for their comics, I don't know where people blog now. But I will try to aggregate it somewhere better than just posting individual pages on twatter as I make themYou might be my first fan!
>>7985076I miss reading half finished comics on Tumblr. You never know what you could find. Perhaps I am. I'm digging this art style. Wherever you decide to post it, let us know where so that I can follow.
>>7985133>doing the forbidden shilling on /ic/I go by Phantastic on a lot places: go looking for "BitchsFantastic"
>>7982390make her cute, and "innocent", and likes to do whatever the mc wants
>>7982390You need a cool self-insert for the men. There's enough sexy art that no dude is going to read a comic where there's not a majority share of the eye candy directed at them. You need a straight-up dude who is there to just occasionally step in and be a bad mother fucker. A guy will tolerate a female focused story if they know their guy is waiting on the sidelines for the time when testosterone is needed.
>>7985203>the mcBut doctor, I AM pagliacci
>>7982390OOT, what kind of female characters do female tend to hate?Pic kind of related.
>>7985645From all I've gathered there's a much more unified list of things disliked in female characters than things they like in men/women. Unsurprisingly, women hate when female characters have no agency/personality, reduced to a prop in their own story. I'm gonna use some basic bitch feminism words here, so don't crucify me.Don't objectify your women. This doesn't mean you can't *sexualize* them; sexuality is an important part of how women are seen in society. There's an expectation that the default state of a woman is to be attractive, and that any deviation from that are a deviation from the norm, rather than just, The Norm, which is what it is in reality. Most people are "ugly" or at least not especially attractive - male or female, but you'll see a lot more ugly men in media than ugly women, because god forbid a woman be ugly. Even women who aren't being sexualized are measured against women who are. So a lot of women prefer to try and own their sexuality - if they're going to be measured by it anyway, they may as well. For example, a lot of women love Panty and Stocking, because though that show sexualizes the SHIT out of its female characters, but they own it. It's their choice. It's a maypole to rally round. Compare this to some bubble-headed gacha girl who's just there to leverage softcore porn to make men gamble.Women tend to hate characters who "stumble into" sexuality like they're niave children. "Kyaa~! I tripped and my skirt flew up, and now boys are staring at my underwear! Oh well, I'll shout at them a little and go on with my day" is a sure way to piss people off.There IS a genre where the femprotag is reduced to a nothing character that men fight over, but that falls into the category of wish fulfilment - as you wouldn't describe a faceless male all the female characters invariably fawn over in a harem anime as "a character men like," you wouldn't describe the willowy, bookish protagonist of a YA romance as "a character women like."
>>7985030Yes because as I keep saying, not all men are the same
>>7985144I'll be following you soon.
>>7985686I think you're full of bullshit, posting contradictory claims right next to each other, with zero evidence for any of it.
>>7984175>It's important to make a distinction that Female Gaze can be subdivided by Fujoshis (Female Troons aka FtM) and Yumejos (Femcels)P.S. They hate each other and they don't overlap that much which is surprisingWhat an odd thing to say. This is only partially correct actually. Women are weird in the way that they can get off to just about anything. The number of fujoshi that I know who double as yumejos that play Nikke is baffling.
>>7985926No no, I'm a woman and I can confirm this post is 100% correct.
>>7985936It can't be correct if it's contradictory.
>>7985940So is all of life lmao
>>7985926What's contradictory?
>women hate badly written shit in media where it doesn't matter because it's just unapologetic goonbait for teensteenagers love that shit where anime girls with gigantic badonkers trip with their pussy on the mc's huge peener, but when you get older you cringe at itSame as every single softcore hentai gachaslop; they're purposefully made to entice teens and what women imagine as virgin incel losers living in their moms basements (which actually now all happen to be some flavor of crossdressers or trans)But why do women "hate" it? Jealousy? Envy? The realization that no men will ever worship them like they do 2D girls? The fact that no 3dp will ever come close to 2D goddesses?The fact that men will throw money at fictional women but recoil at the sight of onlyfans whores?A woman doesn't need to be ugly in appearance to be portrayed as ugly; that's always a narrative gimmick. Meanwhile you can visually portray a man as the most disgusting pig imaginable, and his appaerance wouldn't matter either if he's shown to be a beautyful person.Also, why try to push people to jack it to ugly women by telling them that pretty people are "bad"?Yeah, god forbid people like pretty people.In the end all this shit reads like pure jealousy and envy; as is extremely stereotypical of anyone on the estrogen spectrum.
>>7985970I don't think most of the things in this post were contained in >>7985686 this post. In fact I think the opposite is being said.
the only thing you're thinking about is how to cope
>>7984175>incel that unironically believe in real life loveSingle fathers are a male fantasy too, you will never get it for you are a subhuman . >>7985974The entire thread is pure troon cope, lame as fuck. Day of the AAAAAAAAAACK soon.
>>7985978>entire thread is pure troon copewatch out, next thing xhey gonna cope with is how you actually want to have sex with them
>>7985967You sows are the flat earthers of entertainment.Why can't you see that a fictional character is literally only an object? You are literally demanding that others violate the law of identity. Don't make the object an object.What men and women think of characters is subjective. It's a quality that is part of the subject. Making a character appeal to men literally cannot be objectifying because the appeal is only and solely subjective.You've been so mind-raped by feminism that you can't even tell up from down. You're not escaping objective reality by liking Panty and Stocking, and in any case, there's nothing stopping your idea from working exactly the same if you decided to be into gacha sluts instead. You are logically disabled.>>7985969>women hate when female characters have no agency/personality, reduced to a prop in their own story>There IS a genre where the femprotag is reduced to a nothing character that men fight over, but that falls into the category of wish fulfilment I fully believe that "women hate wish-fulfillment" is a contradictory claim.
>>7986014a group of people hate a specific thing, except some members of that group, who like it in specific conditionsThat's alright.
>>7985933>yumejos that play Nikke.Ok, but why though?Are they social media influencer trying to make themselves relatable to their target audiences?
>>7984310This thread's diversified in topic a lot!I promised I'd do more drawings and more drawings I did.I replaced her Draculaura boots with heeled boots, made her hair longer and fall more surely over one eye, and made it more light and airy as opposed to the rough ratty texture it had originally. I've drawn up some inner thigh high like things over her legs - partially so I don't have to draw all that fishnetting, and partially so she has literal handlebar hips. I also made her boobs bigger and her hips wider, because sometimes you take the easy route.I feel she's a little less standout now - I need to make sure she keeps a creepy expression on her face often, since she's a creepy girl. But she's more in line with like, a superheroine, and people like those kinds of things.
>>7985204Oh, and this is totally off topic for the thread, but tomorrow I can draw all four of my leading men and see what the thread thinks about it, if you'd like. The thread's already going in pretty doiverse directions.
>>7986369Are you OP-anon?
>>7986371Yes I am. I wasn't initially planning on posting my art but this has quickly turned from a theory thread into a practice thread.
>>7986372kek, glad to see you're taking all of this into consideration, and then show what you're doing though
>>7986369Why do you keep drawing midget proportions
>>7986369Don't know why but Seth (specifically the Street Fighter 5 iteration) comes to mind. Also happens to be a little crazy and makes some faces.That said, I don't know if this is a downgrade or an upgrade. I think you would have been better doing away with the fishnet entirely instead of adding the thigh highs (mainly since your goal was to not draw the fishnets as much), and then maybe add something else around the hips/waist like short shortsJust keep experimenting, this thread is pretty info-dense at this point and I imagine there's probably a lot of conflicting opinions at this point, just sift through the trash and see what actually shows up in common between posts even among the different viewpoints.
Coomer and sad panda aficionado reporting in, which may or may not be part of your audience. If it comes to the question "is it coomable?" - as so often, the true test of high art - I will be the judge, jury and potential executioner.>>7982520Me no likey much. The composition of haircut, face, crazy eyes gives me a bit neurotic aunt vibes. My brain does not know what to do with the elongated arms. The scar on the cheeks kinda turns me off. The male gaze does not activate that much, except the kneeling one almost. I feel it needs a stronger focus on the body and >>7982485 also isn't wrong.>>7982567I would absolutely that cat. Despite usually not being much into cartoon characters.>>7983161Hmm do I wanna feel that form, i'm not sure. I feel it doesn't take much to make it appealing, I think I would like that ribcage transition to be softer (the two lines are quite harsh) and have a tiiiiny bit more belly below the naval.>>7985076Wouldn't in the same way I wouldn't a Bridgman figure.
>>7986573(cont because retard antispam)>>7986369Hmm brain would like a tiny bit of sag in the breasts and more belly. Again not sure about arms they throw me off. For the shoes I vote either heavy latex boots or something that shows off the toes, otherwise me no care. I prefer the shorter hair actually.Not to say that anything is bad just describing my subjective and immediate impressions as a male.Note that if you want to appeal to a male audience, every single body part and every personality aspect of a female character is an potential asset that can be sold in exchange for your stories seriousness. To give an extreme and very degenerate example (which i'm reminded of here), the elden ring OC Eylin Eyla by ebonyxh is designed with every cm2 appealing to various fetishes. Could you write a serious story with her? I doubt it. But if you want to make an character coomable, i would consider it a sliding scale with an fetish wolpetinger like that at the extreme end (ofc different fetishes are possible). Increasing the breasts or butt of a character is just the most simplest form of working the slider.Now, what would I like to do with your character? Take the hair of >>7984141, but move the scars on the cheek to the mouth and make them into a functional opening (pic related). Bam, we got a seller. The crazed aunt vibes now become a plus. Lots of fun things to do with a mouthy monster girl, such an underappreciated niche. We can maybe even work out the weird long arms by making her hands more active and prominent.But in the end, it's more important to not compromise on what you wanna do.
>>7982390You have tons of reference material, any anime geared towards teenage boys, gacha games, and Western coom artists like J. Scott Campbell, Bill Elder, Dean Yeagle, Doug Sneyd, Omar Dogan, Frank Frazetta, Glen Keane (kind of), Joel Jurion... hell just look up the old Playboy cartoonists or browse popular comic sites.
>>7982390storytellingI've seen absolute garbage art that have delivered more eroticism than great artistscurvy-ness or how much skin you show is completely irrelevant to eroticismbody proportions, rendering, line art, color, whatever art techniques is completely irrelevant to eroticismthere are pixel art that are 100x more erotic than whatever pro artists can drawyou gotta think like a high level goonereroticism is in macro and micro storytelling
>>7982390>I'm already good at appealing to womenShare some wisdom.
>>7982390This one was drawn by a female? Anytime I see blood in a subtle naughty images it seems to be a female artist.
>>7982390art like this is so hot
>>7982390Do fujoshi and/or yumejo find female sex appeal in male-demographic media repulsive?
>>7987295Not necessarily.>>7985686
