Am I going to waste my time by drawing bridgman twice? I like art because that I could draw cool anime stuff.Like those cute anime girls with them big titties.I wanted to do vilppu and loomis instead as they can translate well into anime figures because they are more curvier and alive than bridgman's still and lumpy box corpses.
>>7982638Do what you find is fun otherwise you're going to hate drawing which will make you burn out or quit>Like those cute anime girls with them big titties.Find an artist you like and copy them, try drawing it on your own and see what mistakes you madeYou can't do studies all day no matter how much you "want" to , you need to draw for fun as wellDo what you like the idea of, just never stop drawing.No one method, tutorial, course, etc, is perfect it's all what you can stand doing for extended periods
>>7982638Not without help.
I want to believe it's all bait but I know there are people who unironically copied Bridgman's sketches on the book 1:1If you did this you must absolutely kill yourself immediately so that you stop wasting oxygen. you have the brain of a fucking protozoa
>>7982638The person that made that image was Pawell.Do what you will with that information.
>>7982638It's outdated info, David Finch recommends drawing Bridgman at least thrice nowadays
>>7982638Again, this is just a way to teach how memory is important/key. You don't need to do it only twice. You can do it many times, and it doesn't even need to be Bridgman.The point is, many people who are learning through copying often don't redo the copied work from memory and compare. See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_NuJIJ6wGYBeing able to replicate as much as you can from memory helps build your visual vocabulary.
>>7982638It's not a waste of time. The problem with this exercise is that people jump into it without understanding the nature of it. It could be ANY other (put your name here) "twice". The real value of this is to DO IT, to "fall for the meme psy-op", and FUCKING DO IT.You will get gud doing twice any other shit tutorial, like morpho, loomis, TomFox's or whatever. The thing with Bridgman is that there's this meme culture around the "doing Bridgman twice" that gets you in the mindset of doing the "challenge", of being part of that "artistic obscure cult". So there's this "something" that you can't explain that impulse you to "try it". It's a mental thing, used nowadays in many fields of marketing, and self-improvement.Personally, I think that Bridgman adds an artistic creative angle to the exercise, you're encouraged and challenged to do your own interpretation of things and shapes that are absolutely "subjective artistic visions" of the artist (Bridgman), and it is okay to make your own artistic interpretation of them as well. Because the whole point is to get you in that artistic mindset zone and "flow". You need to get used to be in that artistic trance state, the Bridgman exercise is just an excuse to do that.
>>7982661Peril?
>>7982650Who?
>>7982664Yeah! I did that three years ago apparently according to the creation date, lol. It was tedious, but now I see those Bridgman drawings and I see them with improved mental tools. It feels like the brain creates new thought tools through time to explain what you once saw and draw. Living tissue takes time to produce new physiological features through these artisan functional processes. So you may see the results of your exercise in a year. But you must trigger that neuronal synaptic cascade in your brain, and hopefully that will produce a change (even minimal) in your dna structure, that's how artistic lineages are created. So YES, doing this exercise has intrinsic value, no doubt.
>>7982680The God of /beg/ >>7980645>>7982683Jesus, your normal art looks so fucking good.
>>7982646>Do what you find is funHow?
>>7982650But that advice was originally given by David Finch.Do with that information, what you will.
the important one is from memory. once you do that, it'll be ingrained. you can draw stuff from a year ago with very good accuracy backed with background knowledge (anatomy) it'll be imoeccable. construction is fine and all, but this way you'll jist be able to draw whatever once you got a good library. its exhausting though and people underestimate the time spent per drawing. the thing in the OP can take several months depending on your timeframe. and even as a neet you would need something like drugs to stay focused that long. 2-4 hours a day which translates close to pagecount.the thing that OP doesnt mention is ridding yourself of symboldrawing first by many observational drawings (photo and life)
>>7982638drawing > no drawingdrawing good drawings like Bridgman's > drawing random shitYou underestimate the amount of time to complete this meme advice. You first need to copy the drawings, slowly because beginners can't do that fast and accurately. Then you need to redraw it on memory, probably need redos because again beginners. I think this will take months to a year. There are a lot of drawings in that book. Not something instant. Obviously anyone will get better after drawing for such length of time.
>>7982812>Not something instant. Obviously anyone will get better after drawing for such length of time.exactly. i say this in every howie thread. getting good only takes time and repeating. /beg/s shit out a crappy drawing in five minutes tops and wonder why its crap. there needs to be commitment
>>7982638>Did anyone actually got good just from drawing bridgshitFrazetta apparently did that. But he was already working and drawing comics at that point, then someone handed him Bridgman and he insta leveld up. I kinda believe it since he got a lot better all of a sudden at one point
>>7982824Spending a ridiculous number of hours fiddling with shitty drawings never helped me any. They never got any better, I never had any insights or discoveries, and I could never come up with any ideas of what to do better or differently next time. I actually think learning how to shit out quick sketches and doodles is vastly more helpful and important for a beginner.
>>7982684wait that's pawell now? holy shit what a glowup
>>7983097ok it isn't damn I actually got baited there for a sec
>>7982638Is there a Japanese equivalent to Bridgman? Something more anime.
>>7982895>actually think learning how to shit out quick sketches and doodles is vastly more helpful and important for a beginner.theres still a quantifier. the amount of work to evolve is tantamount to wether you spend longer on one drawing or many. doing it in tandem and diversifying is the obvious middle ground. many here say this, do the grinds but also do the pieces and larger works. you learn from both in different ways.just draw.
>>7983103NTA or OP But for the love of god, PLEASE I NEEED AN ANIME BRIDGMAN!!!!!!!
>>7982812NTA, good drawings. My ass. They look like shit scribbles when they are compared to the other art masters.
>>7983103>>7983117The Japanese equivalent of Bridgman is Bridgman. Japanese artists study Bridgman too or any of the other western teachers for that matter, like Loomis or Hampton or Huston or Vilppu. The only difference is that the head is heavily stylized and the body is more simplified. You just get the knowledge from them and then you either start experimenting with the knowledge yourself and/or you study how other artists you like are simplifying and stylizing their figures.
>>7983132True, but have you ever heard of any japs learning from bridgman. I only heard of them learning from loomis and vilppu.
tenten is fully bridgmanpilledhttps://www.artstation.com/artwork/nYKdQ1
>>7983123Which masters, anon? I tried to do Bridgman meme method with the OGs like da Vinci, Rubens, and so on. It’s surprisingly hard to find a good collection of their drawings that covers all anatomy, high res, actually drawn by the master. Felt like all of the drawing collections I could find on amazon were half-assed cash grabs.
Anyone have the Watts Bridgman books?
>>7982638You can do it with any decent anatomy book, and memory drawing is a powerful tool for learning
>>7983359pyw
>>7983359NTA, but exactly bro. Who even does this shit. You're better off doing it with 3d models or any other artbooks. As bridgman's scribbles are too abstract and look like they came out of kindergarten.
>>7982638Speaking of bridgeman, what art had he actually made himself aside from instruction sketches?
>>7983596a good art teacher is rarer than a good artist.
>>7983600And your point is?
>>7983596it's difficult to find his art since no one actually gives a shit about them, you search bridgman and all you find are anatomy sketches from his decades of teaching it to students.best i can find are some low resolution paintings from auction houses selling some of his paintings.
>>7983618
>>7982661>>7982683Hmm. "I can't tell you what you'll get out of this, but it's worth opening up and here's why people tend to choose Bridgman" has an appealing ring of honesty to it even though something in me balks at something that appeals more to my emotions than my logic.
>>7983134The truth is that a lot of the super cool manga artists who draw crazy good went to art academies, which in Japan still teach you how to draw. They had an actual teacher which matters a lot. Then they work as assistants where they learn even more.It's not like they draw alone in their basement for years and become mega good just like that out of sheer autism
As some anon's mentioned probably came from David Finch and he got that advice from Kyle Hotz. Bridgman is like step 3 from Finch guide, so you need two prerequisite (gesture, anatomy) to make the most of draw Bridgman twice meme.
I just did the draw the other half of the vase exercise from drawing on the right side of the brain and didn't feel any sort of mental shift or pause when I did it. Does this mean I'm screwed and can never access the right half of my brain?
If any one will do, what are some other good alternatives to Bridgman?
>>7983691they got it from Frazetta and he got it from his Ralph Mayo
>>7983637It just screams beg trap to me. Everywhere, I've looked throughout ic's history and even its own guides. All, they've seemed to scream beg traps according to other anons. Drawabox, beg trap. Hampton, beg trap. At this point what are the things that are not beg traps?
>>7983618Shitman alert. So this is the full power of SHITman
>>7983888Holy shit, that is insanely ugly. If Bridgman were to exist in the modern era. He would just be called low int or high beg in 4chan and be grouped in with people such as Irshad Karim, Creator of drawabox. Y'all have insane double standards.
>>7983822>they got it from FrazettaIf I recall, Frazetta's Bridgman story is that he was asked by a teacher to draw through Bridgman, and Frazetta turned up the next day apparently having completed it at lightning speed.>>7983618>best i can find are some low resolution paintings from auction houses selling some of his paintingsI could find some newspaper cartoons, which I think were him, since it's a fairly unique name.
>>7983892Holy, I should've drawn those big anime titties and studied anime anatomy instead. Why am I wasting time on this garbage called shitman anyway.
>>7983888>>7983892>zoom in on painting>it's a blurry messThat's like looping two seconds of a song and calling it repetitive.
>>7982699Ew, david finch. I don't want to draw marvel slop art.
>>7983886I've fallen for every beg-trap under the sun and ultimately the things that always leads me to improvement involve keeping myself just outside my comfort zone. A mentor can set you on the path faster, but is self-learners sometimes torture learning to self-evaluate.If I'm being perfectly honest, I would evaluate what I posted as needing at least a couple weeks of figure practice before it's worth focusing on Bridgman or choosing someone more accessible.
>>7983117Imamura
>>7984007>can't separate subject from technique>as if weebslop is better than capeslop>as if you're better than either weebslop artists or capeslop artistsdraw bridgman right the fuck now is that clear
>>7983886A beg trap is any sort of exercise or program that people insist you must do to get better, even if it doesn't address any of your weaknesses.
>>7984050Fuck you, I want to draw from fucking hide or krenz or hikaru instead.
>>7983098kek
If you think about it it's completely meaningless, as is most advice on how to learn art. They tell you to "copy" the book not "try your best to copy the book", which the only thing you are guaranteed to have control over. This means that if their theory is wrong they can just claim that you didn't properly copy the book (some of your drawings will be inaccurate) and therefore you didn't follow their advice.
>>7985090just draw
>>7985090Why are you so smart, anon?
>>7985090I give you permission to only try your best.
there is no function where you can input time and effort and it spits out skill in drawing. If it did, there would be more people who can draw. You have to find the guides and practice that works for YOU. If these books worked, they would be fucking banned.
>>7985090PYW
>>7985106
>>7985265I mean, it sounds logical. It's an advice that is conveniently hard to disprove. Like we have seen students who do a lot of problems, and still shit at math. Why is drawing any different? Not trying to do talent demoralization meme. But I think we should be more honest when talking about it.
>>7985090life must be tough when you're this dumb
>>7983618Why did he decide to make such a poo-centric painting? It looks like shit in the most literal sense.
>>7982638make it lol... this is your problem people get good because they have things they want to work at. You are just searching to make it ... to what ? You want to build carrier upon it ?
>see people recommend you try to copy it, then draw it from memory, and repeat throughout>david finch says you need to actually try and construct it yourself from the images and not just copy it line for linewhich is it
>>7987051>which is itJust draw
>>7987051Both, but it depends on what you're doing.Drawing from imagination/memory is best used for drawing from photo reference.Constructive drawing is best used for life drawing.https://lifedrawing.academy/life-drawing-academy-news/why-you-need-constructive-drawing-to-draw-portraits>Likewise learning how to draw a cube from life is not about drawing cubes. The same as rendering tonal values of a sphere is not about drawing a ball. Such exercises prepare an artist for constructive drawing, which is based on fundamental principles, such as perspective, proportions, rules of chiaroscuro, etc. After getting the needed knowledge, an artist might never draw a Greek profile, cube or sphere ever again, but this experience will give such an artist the needed skills to draw whatever one sees or imagines. It doesn't matter that some models do not have the same proportions as Greek busts. A classical canon is the guidance of what to measure, not what to apply in every drawing.>What you have in mind is called drawing from observation. This is what many colleges teach art students these days; this is why so many art college graduates cannot draw. What we teach is called "constructive drawing". When you know it, you do not need "lots of observation", as you put it, because constructive approach gives the skills observational artists don't have.
>>7987051You're a little confused.You do one pass copying from the reference, but you don't copy it like a bargue plate, i.e. copying line by line. You build it up from a sketch as if you were drawing it from imagination but using the reference and striving for accuracy. On your second pass-through you draw it from memory.
>>7987054*draws something really good* "look at what I drew" *post on reddit* *does nothing special with it* *saturates on the reddit forums*
