Should I really do one exercise from these book per day like he says, or should I just do as many as I can and do the ones he says to do everyday as warm-ups?Also, if you know of any better books or courses for a beginner, I'd love to know.
Wtf is the point of this retarded, useless question. Wtf are you even asking. How about google.com - type in "beginner drawing books" How about just read and follow along with the book you already have. Why are you so helpless? Fuck you
>>7983194How many years are you going to spend shilling this crap?
>>7983212he needs to fund his hair transplant
lmao just draw
>>7983194Is this book as good as it's hyped to be?
>>7983194Try Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain and Cognitive Drawing. I also suggest you try the Art of Responsive Drawing. Do one exercise per day as the book says, and then when you're done do them as warmups.Be aware that these books are teaching you observational drawing which is NOT the same as constructive drawing. If you're dedicated to it, you can learn observational drawing in a single year. If you're doing it casually, two or three years.It takes at least five years on average for someone to master constructive drawing. The mistake that many people make is offering newbie artists resources on constructive drawing (like in pic related or Drawabox), which tends to be counter-productive.My advice to you is that you work hard at observational drawing. Then come back and chip away at the constructive drawing resources.
>>7988244Observational drawing is the process of "drawing what you see". DRSB is made up of exercises to break you out of the habit of "drawing what you THINK you see".Constructive drawing is "drawing what you know". If you want to build up the gains for constructive drawing while you're starting off with observational drawing, you need to take the time to: >study simple forms for two weeks>do simple animations with forms>start with simple sculptures
>>7988244is constructive drawing not a better place to start for a beginner? Especially one wanting to draw from imagination? How is it counter-productive? As a beginner the "where to start" point seems like it depends on who you ask.
>>7988270On paper, doing constructive drawing first sounds like the preferable option but it's just not practical:>you have to grind a lot of 3D forms >you have to break down references into 3D forms>you have to have a strong visual library of simple forms and shapes to pull fromIt's not recommended for beginner artists because constructive drawing is "draw what you know" and if you're just starting out, you don't have much of a visual library to draw from in the first place. You don't know anything yet! It's also cognitively taxing on the brain and often results in beginner artists developing immediate burnout or getting frustrated with the lack of apparent growth. It is REALLY not fun.This is why DrawaBox tends to do more harm than good. Great for experienced artists, but bad for beginners.It's like asking someone to run a marathon every other week to become an Olympic athlete. If you're totally insane and dedicated, it could work...but for most people, you're just gonna get sick of running or get hurt along the way. It's better to start off small and then gradually push yourself. You don't get big muscles at the gym by lifting the heaviest weights on your first day, you start with the smallest weights and then keep doing better until you're able to lift more and more.
>>7988270>>7988303Now, there are ways to get a head start on doing constructive drawing. It's like learning a language or learning math: start with the basics, engage in a way that feeds deeper thinking and connectivity, and then keep pushing yourself. If you learn like a child, you can do anything.Studying simple forms, animating, sculpting, and studying 3D models on sketchfab are ways you can lay the foundation for constructive drawing while doing observational drawing. The "cheat code" is to study buildings and vehicles.The other important reason why you need to do constructive drawing after observational drawing is because observational drawing teaches you composition whereas constructive drawing teaches you perspective. If you care about everything being consistent and having depth, that's what perspective is for. But if you want things to look appealing and eye-catching, you focus on composition first.https://www.eddysgallery.co.uk/composition-and-perspective/One of the reasons why autists (especially male autists) struggle with drawing is because they throw themselves into constructive drawing thinking they can use pure Logic to solve their problems. Deviantart is FILLED with shitty drawings because of this. Many art critics on Youtube suck at art for this reason. There's an infamous example of Solar Sands drawing a plane, for one.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6NsCrO9DnMGirls tend to outdo boys when it comes to art (especially online) because they've built up enough muscle memory, visual memory, and mental stamina through just observational drawing, which makes the jump to constructive drawing easier.
>>7988315>One of the reasons why autists (especially male autists) struggle with drawing is because they throw themselves into constructive drawing thinking they can use pure Logic to solve their problems.this is accurate. there's also a lot of ego, analysis paralysis, and putting the work off by rationalizing about min-maxing in the mix.
>>7988233It's one of the very, very few resources I have actually found helpful. The only other two that have done anything for me so far are are You Can Draw it in 30 Minutes by Kistler, and Sketching as a Hobby by Guptill (mostly just for one particular sketching method he outlines that he found tended to work for students that didn't find the usual ones intuitive.) Most of the more popular resources I have found worthless at best, and a few of them gave me crippling misconceptions about how to approach drawing (most notably Keys to Drawing.)
>>7990283Thanks for the recommends anon. I was just about to start Keys to Drawing, so i was wondering, what were those crippling misconceptions?(in both Keys and the other popular resources you mentioned). I don't want to learn something wrong. Also, which would you recommend avoiding in particular?
>>7990283Kistler is the GOAT.I would also recommend:>How to Draw Comics The Marvel Way>How to Draw for Beginners: The EASIEST 15-Day Drawing Method Course>Memory Drawing: Perceptual Training and Recall>Drawing for the Absolute and Utter Beginner by Claire Watson Garcia>Color by Betty Edwards>Daily Painting by Carol Marine>The Art of Cartooning
how come these anons never post their work to show that their methods actually work?
>>7983205Crab>>7983532100+ IQ advice honestly
>>7990371Thanks for the recommendations. I'm curious, why these as your recommendations in art instructional material?
>>7991070I offer these books mainly because the vast majority of art instruction books are not really aimed at beginners. Most of them are intended for artists with a good deal of experience or artists with some familiarity with constructive drawing. They're valuable sources of information, but pretty useless for people who are just getting started or who want to learn how to draw. These books are better suited for self-taught beginners or for anyone who wants to teach others how to draw. Appropriate for the skill level of /begs/.If you're just starting out with drawing, you need to:>draw plenty of shapes>get into the habit of drawing using a "skeleton" in a step-by-step manner>get into the habit of drawing from memory>draw simple formsSee my posts about observational drawing for more about what I'm talking about. If an art book is clearly aimed at adults (lots of text, lots of "draw the fucking owl", etc), don't engage with it yet.>>7988246>>7988244>>7988303>>7988315
>>7991217Thank you for taking the time to explain it, anon.
>>7991306You're quite welcome! I'll give you some help with drawing bodies, if you're interested:>you're going to want to study the skeleton, clothed bodies, clothes, and naked people in that order>gather photos of clothed people, footage of people walking from YouTube, and posing skeletons as your references>for help with gesture studies, grab pictures or footage of athletes, dancers, figure skaters, etc Your observational drawing process could go something like this:>pick a subject: without looking it up, draw it from memory multiple times>spend some time just looking at references>draw but ONLY look at the reference: do not look at your paper>hide the references, draw from memory to the best of your ability: then look at the references to compare your accuracy>observe the references and draw again, but place the references in another room: if you can't remember what the subject looks like, walk into the other room and carefully observe, then go back to your paper>draw once more but while looking at your references as you drawYou may take some references and "use" them: >trace over them while taking note of proportions, placement of features, and how parts connect>flip a reference upside down, and then copy it>do a negative space drawing of a reference>break down a reference into shapes and forms
>>7991420Not that anon but I figure I might as well ask you, how does one get over their fear of just... starting to draw.I'm scared it'll be too shit and I'll get demotivated, I'm scared I wont improve, it's scary.
>>7991439Look up an artist's earliest drawings, then compare them to their current drawings. Very motivating.You may also start off with very simple drawings of cartoons. Don't be afraid to copy and trace very simple subjects.What I've found helps is to just buy a big stack of newsprint or sticky notes, start with something you want to draw, and then go through an entire stack of paper. Compare your first drawing to your last.Alternatively, just spend lots of time with a sketchbook and fill the entire thing with nothing but shapes and lines.
>>7991439I will also reveal to you stuff that makes the process less daunting:>Lots of artists SEEM so impressive that it feels as if you'll never reach their level... but in reality, many are just covering up their poor Drawing strength with Rendering (light and shadow) and Painting.You will surpass these artists if you focus on Drawing (make sure you master Values), THEN move on to Painting and THEN Rendering.
>>7991453>What I've found helps is to just buy a big stack of newsprint or sticky notes, start with something you want to draw, and then go through an entire stack of paper. Compare your first drawing to your last.That kinda fucking rules wtfI'll try that, thank you anon!!!
>>7991466You're welcome, anon. Draw a little bit every day and by the end of the year, you will be proud of all the hard work you've done and the progress you've made.
>>7991420Thank you for the additional advice anon, I sincerely appreciate it! I have a similar history with construction you mentioned in your posts earlier. I got so attached to construction once I did Fun With A Pencil as a teenager because it seemed a logical "fix all" solution. I wasn't really making comparable progress to others and eventually active training dropped to the wayside as I focused on other things, though I still drew, sometimes frequently sometimes sporadically, rather than dropping it entirely.Your posts earlier + the one mentioning flaws in books like Keys to Drawing actually inspired me to comment on this thread earlier (I'm the anon asking the Kistler guy you replied to on his problems with popular instruction material, and who originally asked you for why you recommended those books) You had systematically outlined a problem I had been slowly realizing for years. A month ago, I finally decided to train myself from scratch to overcome my deficits. I had a bunch of books prepared, but hadn't started yet. Your perspective, advice and books are appreciated, it helped me reorient myself as I've been rather overwhelmed on researching methods, so I don't bungle this new attempt. Apologies if this was a long post, I just feel enthusiastic after wading through so much research attempting to find a new path.
>>7990351Keys to Drawing is a book on copying what you see from life. It's a pointless skill.
>>7988244>just spend a year practicing a skill you don't even care about being good at broFuck observational drawing
>>7991453>Draw Bridgman THIRTY Times
>>7990420Let me larp in peace, anon. It’s harmless.
