>>7983847
if I had to guess it's the total lack of line weight, and characters stuck over a blurry background that doesn't make sense in terms of perspective
not that modern anime artists can do anything better. we are far gone from the days of akira and ghost in the shell. that stuff was never the norm in anime anyway.

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>>7983852
There shouldn’t even be a such thing as an "anime style", anime/manga before around 2005 had far more variety stylistically and people always lump them together as one, people always act as if modern anime is mogging western cartoons when in reality most of it is very homogenous looking and doesn’t take risks like weebs like to think they do.

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>>7983847
There's a lot less care that goes in to Wanime products. The choice of line style and shading is usually done so for a specific purpose or carry a certain meaning for a lot of animes; and that mindset extends out to how characters pose, express themselves, and how they interact with the background.

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>>7983847
Bottom left is the only one that looks well-drawn, although I don't particularly care for the character designs. Top right has a sense of cinematography.
This may be due to screenshot selection, but most of these give me the same feeling as a bad Marvel film. They look like they're standing in "the volume".
Compare them to this screenshot collage from an anime, which I've not watched and don't know anything about, it's just something that's been popping up on my youtube feed. This show doesn't have particularly varied line weight, and the background is quite distinct from the character and look CGI, but it has a cohesiveness that the western shows don't have. The character convincingly exists in that space, and we also have a better sense of that space because of the camera choices.

>>7983847
It isn't the style cause it's pretty much the same as Gargoyles or The Last Airbender which looked pretty good but the way it's done these days looks very lifeless and flat because I assume the director doesn't have a strong vision and can't do cool or dynamic shit. A lot of the action in these look like it's badly and quickly rotoscoped and generally speaking looks kinda shit and uncool. Also half the characters are brown and you just know there are blue haired nepobaby shitlib politics in them

>>7983875
>the director doesn't have a strong vision and can't do cool or dynamic shit
This I believe is the major problem with these shows. As mentioned ITT all the examples here have a really flat and uninspired look to them, an assembly line quality that makes them all feel the same which is to be expected when the show runners job consists of just making the storyboards to be sent to Korean studios that actually do the animating. From what I remember hearing about the production of these shows these storyboards are sometimes piss poor, with inconsistent character models and little to no direction, and the animation studio just has to do what they can with the scribbles they're given.

Like it's been mentioned, the backgrounds are lazy, colors are too bright, and lines are too sterile. Anime used to be drawn on paper and scanned, which gave it that raw feel. Not sure if that's still the case.
Maybe the biggest reason is just the artists are not that good.

>>7983847 (OP)
>chick with horns on bottom left
is that tranny dude from dragon age veilguard? maybe that's the problem with western cartoons, they're trans and gay.

>>7983847
I would love to see a detailed stylistic breakdown of why you can immediately identify this as western pseudoanime instead of real anime.
Line weight and colors are part of it but I don't think that's the whole story, there's something in the underlying structure/stylization as well.

>>7983948
It's the eyes. You could tell by the eyes alone if you removed everything else.

>>7983847
The outsourced animation artstyle somewhere in Indonesia or South Korea.

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>>7983847
Literally the only difference and it can pass off as any old cheap "anime" Japan puts out with some exceptions. Westernime seems to omit details inside the garnments whereas anime has meticulous details. I'm thinking because of the less details in Westernime the animation moves really janky think like Voltron and Boondocks or like Chinese anime.

Other than that, literally no difference.

>>7983847
It's called the "let's give women ugly nigger lips and square jaws" pseudo anime style that's poplar among shitty kikeflix originals

>>7983867
Of all of these shots only top left looks better than OP because of the dynamic angle. Line weights are difficult to notice in motion especially if it's heavy in animation.

>>7984002
>shots with lots of men in the example
>focuses his hatred on women having full lips

your opinion is worthless

>>7983847
Damn, they are ugly.

>>7983847
They're aware enough that "the youths" like anime, but they hate everything about anime and the stories it tells. So they make a crude imitation and call it a day, then remember they need to shove in 2430723452342 "agenda du jour" characters and also remember to make them all angry about "politics du jour" issues. Just look at any of the shows depicted in the OP show. It doesn't matter where on earth they are, what time period it is, or what the story is even. Every single one of them looks like they are perpetually 0.2 seconds away from a character launching into whatever hamfisted screed the writers have as a stick up their ass. Is it going to be about the patriarchy? Is it going to be about how made up fantasy character is a perfect 1 to 1 stand-in for some real life race and the take is only going to be the most NYC/San Francisco race relations thing ever? Is everyone going to be talking like they're all about to walk off the set and order a frappe mochaccino with extra froth (but please substitute it with oat milk otherwise my little tummy gets le heckin' grumbly wumbly)? Who knows, who cares. You've seen one, you've seen them all. They have nothing to tell except yet another story about social injustices that only specifically bother the writer.
It's also a guarantee that the animation is going to be complete shit, and none of the characters are going to be animated particularly well. There are very poorly animated anime shows as well, but at least there's a chance that the anime show is also animated decently. However there is no such possibility for these "wanime" shows.

>>7983847
>What art style is this
Anime
>why does it cause so much seethe in anime artists?
Self loathing or gender dysphoria

>>7983847
If you look at some manga cover art, you'll see that the art style, properly rendered, doesn't use cel shading. Anime uses it only because animating gradients is too difficult.
With that in mind, what does this style even share with anime, besides stuff that is functionally necessary? There isn't anything.
But you get the feeling that they're trying very hard to copy something.

>>7984097
I dunno I actually like the style of the one on the upper right and Castlevania's artstyle is good. Everything else is bad.

>>7983847
Okay fine i'll bite your /co bait.

Like i said in the thread you took this from, this is not faux anime. This is not western anime. This is just one of the western animation styles.

Anime shape language:
>big round eyes
>pointy nose
>pointy chins
>more curves

Western/Bourassa shape language
>square eyes
>square noses
>bevel edges and less curves

This is the Phil Bourassa style, a character designer famous for working on a lot of DC animated shows and films. You can see the effect of his shape language in shows like korra, invincible. It is in no way faux anime. In fact, if you watch Spiderman the animated series and observe the way the faces and noses are drawn, you can tell this was a huge influence on his style. He definitely distilled it into something simpler, perfect for lesser skilled draftsman to draw many times over when animating. I firmly believe he is the sole reason, if not one of the major pillars, of this style.

>>7983852
>>7983867
>>7983920
98% of all animation, japanese or otherwise, has no line weight. You dont understand the effort required to chase and modify thick to thin line ratio over 1000+ frames logically and naturally. I dont get why you think this is even an issue when the greatest animations ever made have 0 line weight. Maybe its because these are still frames, idk

>>7984168
I agree with you and you've made good points but you will never have a good faith discussion about this on 4chan.
I'd wager if Batman Beyond was released today it would be called faux anime as well. Unbelievable.

>>7983988
Wtf i hate noses now

>>7984181
What is incredibly frustrating about these discussions is anyone who goes to imdb and searches up western animation from 2025 will find 2 or 3 titles with a style that can maybe be called faux anime, like my adventures with superman or devil may cry.

Thats 2 or 3 out 50 titles. Like, what are we complaining about here? What is this imaginary crisis that we're supposedly facing?

>>7984168
Older anime didn't only have round eyes, see >>7983857

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>>7984196

I'm sure there's a ton of adult animation made nowadays ever since covid but whenever we have threads like this the people that talk in it always reference the cartoons from the early 2000s as if the west has been permastuck ever since.

That and they make threads here about the same thing because their respective boards (/co/ and /a/) will rape them, hang them and or get ignored. So they come here on a slow board.

>>7984203
Irrelevant. If you cannot pinpoint what you classify as the anime style or create definitive criteria for what classifies as anime style, then you cannot judge any western animations by said criteria and deem them "faux anime", which completely nullifies any arguments made on any side.

But if you go outside and find a strange and show him a character with big round eyes, eye shine, pointy nose, and a pointy chin, and ask him if this is anime or western, we both know what they're going to say.

>>7983988
Nah >>7983954 is right, there’s something about the eyes and facial features

>>7983847
>I'd wager if Batman Beyond was released today it would be called faux anime as well.
Possibly, but it has a more distinct visual identity than any of OP's shows. A lot of male characters have extremely wide chins, which is as american and non-anime as it gets.

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>>7984225
>nAh itS thE EyeSSs

no

I just can't believe we're having this discussion on a board about drawing. Blurry backgrounds and no line weight? You should know by now you can't have a crispy detailed background thats in the far distance AND with a moving object in front of it. I know you know better.

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don't care
sex with aztec priestess
she stole my heart

>>7984139
I think upper right is Pantheon which I remember being suprisingly good. Well written and not pozzed (it was cancelled after 1 season KEK)

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>>7984229
Forgot pic

>>7983847
Is the "trust me I'm anime" slop that the Legend of Korra popularized. It tends to be gay and woke too

>>7984302
"woke" has lost all its meaning when supergirl bomed with rightoids.

>>7983948
Aside from everyone being a shade of brown, the heads have more realistic proportions. Even anime that isn't moeblob does very neotenic heads compared to anything western. That's 90% of it.

>>7983948
>I would love to see a detailed stylistic breakdown
They have noses.

>>7984302
>It tends to be gay and woke too
True, only stupid faggots disagree.

>>7984238
Oh she's steal your heart alright

>>7984666
Stop this Aztec slander, right now!

>>7983847
art by committee

>>7984008
That's great, and if you had watched the shows instead of being a contrarian, you'd know that this isn't a nitpick on some minor character. Your opinion is exponentially worthless.

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>>7984825
>and if you had watched the shows

Why would I do that? I'm not a /co/fag, but I'm not gonna shit on the styles because it's hip and trendy with gen z because it's not a "new" thing. Not in the slightest. The examples in the OP I would have killed to watch as a kid growing up on cartoon network. We had very few shows like that, like Teen Titans, Justice League and Generator Rex among the sea of reruns that refused to get pulled off air.

Like one anon said, it's not even "anime" they're trying to mimic here. It's pretty much all homebrew Warner Brothers cartoons.
>you'd know that this isn't a nitpick
It is. You just wanted to expell some redpill talking points where it's not needed. They have full noses and lips....like literally all the other superhero classic cartoons.

>>7983870
>just something that's been popping up on my youtube feed. This show doesn't have particularly varied line weight, and the background is quite distinct from the character and look CGI, but it has a cohesiveness that the western shows don't have. The character convincingly exists in that space, and we also have a better sense of that space because of the camera choices.
people forget that a lot of anime heavily uses references in the work flow from film or photos and other works of art
a lot of these shots are something you would see in movie stills which makes it look more more appealing
the intro of the show is nothing but references to films btw
it's something that western animation should just start doing
>>7983867
there is care that goes into them, it's just more focused on getting the product out without difficulty
anime is just copying the manga artstyle they're adapting from most of the time, so the decisions in the art direction is dictated by that
in contrast to western animated action shows, they're usually original, so their art direction is dictated by the animation studio
the lack of detail and flatness in the linework and shading, the basic top down shading as well
flat composition so they can just slap the character model on screen and call it a day
it's done to be less of a problem to over seas animation studios

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>>7984002
>Of all of these shots only top left looks better than OP
Do you happen to be color blind? As I'm typing this, I'm starting to wonder if the colors are the biggest problem. After testing it, I guess not.

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>>7984935
(Follow up post)

>>7984168
>This is the Phil Bourassa style, a character designer famous for working on a lot of DC animated shows and films. You can see the effect of his shape language in shows like korra, invincible. It is in no way faux anime. In fact, if you watch Spiderman the animated series and observe the way the faces and noses are drawn, you can tell this was a huge influence on his style. He definitely distilled it into something simpler, perfect for lesser skilled draftsman to draw many times over when animating. I firmly believe he is the sole reason, if not one of the major pillars, of this style.
i always wondered why they all look like that, but i could never figure out why
but i guess it really is another case of industry people only know other industry people
>>7984216
people will call anything that isn't bean mouth baby show shit "faux anime"

Looks like a SEA version of King of the Hill lol

>>7984935
>>7984936
New observation: the anime drawings remain tasteful in black and white, but on two pics some objects blend in with each other, which proves they're made with color and subtletly in mind, whereas the western ones use obvious shapes and excessive contrasts.

>>7983847
>why do weebs seethe
why do bugmen anime sell so much better you mean ? because the composition of what you posted is atrocious maybe, aka it's fucking ugly ? the values and color are straight up randomly chosen, except maybe in the right middle pic where the sky does provide some structure
this is not an avantgarde artist rent, uneducated viewers also feel it they just don't know how to express it
western cinema is very good at composition, look at any of the recent very popular Villeneuve movies, but for some reason we lost the capacity to so while animating

>>7984998
>it's fucking ugly
Middle left and bottom left are physically painful for me to look at, everything about them is just so bad.

There's so much cope in this thread it's unreal

>>7985780
Cope about what?

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Are there any "western-style" artists that are actually good? I mean artists that draw noses, jaws, and semi-realistic eyes?

>>7985865
He's a babbling baboon that can only speak in memes.

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>>7983847
A counter example of sort.
An anime set in America that kinda resemble "western anime"

pic 1

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>>7985989
pic 2

>>7985915
Nick & Lever
https://mangadex.org/chapter/616b5aab-5f81-4c89-9fa4-f7a1ecdeb6b9

Watching older anime made me realize how fucking sterile 99% of nu-anime look. Must be the colors.

I find this style of animation appealing when it's trying to be a trendsetter or work with the story. If I can tell the animators are just millennials are obsessed with anime but are too terrified of their high school art teacher to draw it, it's shit.

Western animation is also consistently so terrible because aside from the overseas talent pool of thirdworlders trying to make rent, the retarded cali nepobaby problem that has been worsening at least since flapjack is still festering. Sunk cost fallacy fags wanted to brush it under the rug to own the chuds but the western animation industry is very very visibly terrible and talentless. Terminally online woketard shut ins with the "good politics" can't make anything worth paying attention to.

>>7983870
This looks like shit. Well its not really shit but its nothing impressive and bland. Bottom right perfectly captures the shitty modern anime style we have now.

>>7983847
Western tranny style.

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>>7983847
is it not just modern comic book style simplified down for animation purposes with flatter cell shading?

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>>7986306
vaguely yes
i wish a lot of them would try other comic art styles though, genndy tartakovsky is the only one off the top of my head that actively tries to do something a little different with each of his productions, and the only reason i know is because people like to talk about whatever kooky shit he wants to pull next vs how the only reason people bring up the ones like OP pic is to either shit on them or to talk about anything other than style

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>>7984238

>>7986313
People only bring up the style to shit on it because it rarely has anything else worth paying attention to other than being the low hanging fruit that does indeed look like shit, unfortunately
>i wish a lot of them would try other comic art styles though, genndy tartakovsky is the only one off the top of my head that actively tries to do something a little different with each of his productions
I wish there were more people like him. Animation could really use some people with different styles right about now, It would make discussions a lot more productive instead of this topic being rehashed over and over

>>7983948
hatred of femininity and urge to sipplant it with masculine feature
this is even more apparent cuz psuedo anime also has a tendency to make femals the protagonist
they still explicitly frame them as "not men" rather than women
so you get the hard ass butch "femme fatale" that does everything a cliche masculine character would do with a veneer of smug feminism and excessive swearing daped over it

for the female design atleast its the result of conflicting ideological goals see:
they inherently dispise normal femininity and seek to twist it into their ideal hick lib himbo men
but also deeply despise all masculinity that doesn't bend the knee to liberal idealogy

so you land at your typical westoid female archtype who's inexplicably super strong and swears like a sailor and has tattoos (fuck you dad) and are strong independant women who don't need no man who will be written by dumb broad and fags with daddy issues with no theory of mind for actual men so they resort to shoddy cliches of cliches of men to mimic for their self insert foid

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>>7985989
>>7985991
it is literally the most lib cucked anime with such a contrived self fallating script that it never got relevance
no wonders the art is soulless for the anime as well

the humanzee abomination keeps getting approached by flanderized strawmen of rightwing masculinity and he keeps le epic ownining them in reddit-slop fashion "and then everyone clapped" style

hence i insist that the artstyl is soulless and shitty both here and in west slop purely due to idealogical underpinnings

it's called ''we are anime but better. take that, japs'' style

>>7983847
the actual problem is cinematic coloring instead of drawing things in sunlight, aside from this detail the western look stomps

No one is inspired by American comics or cartoons nowadays outside of people in that clique largely centered around the same 3 or 4 cities.
The only modern American media with any form of international appeal is american videogames and movies, and for the latter only the big action CGIfests since they're basically glorified amusement rides.

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>>7983847
Value distribution is really bad, makes it hard to read.
Old cartoons did it right. I blame modern shading and digital composition mixed with post effects. And of course, old farts knew what they were doing.

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>>7986313
>>7986325
Genndys action cartoons look good because he actually fucking branches out in terms of stylistic inspiration rather than simply just copying anime, he’s also a huge fan of golden age cartoons and other twentieth century art that have always influenced his work.

>Samurai Jack is a mix of UPA/Hannah Barbera influence combined with inspiration from Japanese art
>Primal takes heavy inspiration from the art of Frank Frazetta, Jack Kirby, and other golden age comic artists.
>Unicorn Warriors Eternal takes clear inspiration from Fleischer cartoons.

Many of the millennials who make these diet anime shows have a limited pool of influence and primarily watch anime rather and want to just be it rather than combining that influence with other stuff they need to also gain an appreciation for.

>>7983847
western animeslop

>>7983867
that's because they waste most of the budget on pre prod and useless animatic to convince boardrooms

>>7986221
Nah man, it looks great

>>7985989
haha what a funny looking brazilian fellow

>>7986454
scooby doo is animated like fucking shit
it's closer to shit like the flintstones

>>7986221
Looks amazing. Even better in motion.

>>7984238
Convenient ring placement

>>7988773
Anon, even if it's animated like shit the art direction of those classic cartoons completely mogs any of the cartoons in OPs pic.

>>7983847
I think what annoys me personally and is a dead give away that its an American production, is the overruse of 3/4th perspective in every single scene.
vs the more cinematic take that these do
>>7983867
>>7983870

>>7983847
a big one is no compositing. animators do things to make the lighting look better and more natural. also the matt paintings are shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN518F3vOvE

>>7983847
the fluoride stare

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And what about this western style, /ic/?

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>>7989209
I long to draw like Tony Valente one day. Man is good.

>>7989209
>western
Looks indistinguishable from weeb shit.

>>7989248
It's literally a 1:1 copy adeherence to >>7989219

>>7989389
>>7989248
And that's a french comic drawn by a white french dude, so it's western

Korean.

>>7983847
It's called "westroon"

>>7983847
The themes and messaging both overt and subversive it displays and what they want and mean. These aren't just shows for entertainment, the people behind it who create, write, direct these shows heavly instill their beliefs into, it's propaganda. When you these shows you see the intent, the desire to "re-educate" you.

>>7983857
usually a manga would be drawn in the style of the particulr artist. We used to have cartoons like that, based off ONE guys style who was the lead designer. But this is a problem for companies because it means the power over hwo good the show is fell solely on the artists, meaning they could demand to be paid more. Companies dont want their IPs to be tied to particular artists, they want to be able to sell batman slop regardless of who draws him.

The era of good original cartoons and anime is over anyways, its no longer financially viable to push a show and try to make money off merchendise which was the plan for many years. And the only reason any show gets made is to turn a profit so its just a happy accident we got like 40 years of good media.

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>>7983847
they just can't be fucked to make something cool. What reason is there to not have that aztek king motherfucker take up the entire shot and look like a badass fucking leader? Why can't be huge like the hulk compared to that girl? Why does he have to stand like a guy waiting for his order at mcdonalds and the numbers on the prompt skipped him?

in an anime he would be scowling with a hardened expression that has kindness behind it and the feathers on his clothes would be jagged and uneven. You just can't teach this to westoids. They are not trying to make something that will punch you in the gut with its style. Look at those retards underneath the aztec screenshot. They all have literally THE SAME expression. wHY DO THE TWO DWARVES LOOK LIKE THE OTHERS
WHY DOES DO THEY ALL HAVE THE ERRM SO THAT JUST HAPPENED FACE? WHY ARE THEY ALL STANDING ARMS DOWN? In an anime one of the dwarves would be sitting on the big guys shoulders and the others would be standing closer or father from each other to add variety to the background of the bitch with the wanted poster. But in westoid animation every character has to stand perfectly spaced apart at ALL TIMES and be EQUALLY represented on sceen so the viewer doesnt get confused.