I think the best example of how drawing isn't a learnable skill is gesture drawing. Gesture drawing is totally critical to drawing people (which is what 95% of people who want to learn want to draw) and NOBODY can explain what it is. You will never find anything more explicit than "uhhhhh you have to look for the uhhhhh movement of the figure" or "uhh you are just capturing the essence of the figure". But you never get any ACTUAL instruction or direction, because it's not something you can learn. It's something you can either do or you cannot. Anybody who is meant to be good at drawing will do gorgeous gesture drawing from the get-go, because it's something intrinsic that you either have or not. You cannot "learn" to do good gesture drawing.
>>7991537permabeg copeBrent Eviston the chad already solved this
>>7991537I feel everyone has their own version of gesture drawing. Natural way to draw's version vs Force's vs Walt Stanchfield's vs others...They all do gesture drawing differently. I personally like Marco Bucci's explanation of gesture drawing.
>>7991537It's mostly about depicting proportions and gravity correctly. That's what makes drawing whole stances so difficult especially when drawing dynamic poses.
>>7991537>>7991538>>7991541>>7991547pyw
>>7991537it's literally a marketing gimmick to sell books, you fucking retard, that's why "nobody can explain it", it's not a real thing because different authors call everything from contour drawing to composition to croquis "gesture" to sell new books in a market that already has books written by far more skilled artists available for free and literally nothing has changed about the act of drawing itself, so they need to come up with something to hook retards into buying themI don't understand how someone can look at Nicolaides' work and not see what a fucking grift gesture is, it's literally just a series of grifters labeling existing concepts "gesture" and pretending it's a process now
You zoomers really believe you're the epitome of comedy
>>7991554using archaic words doesn't make you sound cultivated
>>7991537Watch more process videos of actual pro artists working on actual pieces. No one actually starts with Vilppu gestures. You can sketch however you want to
>>7991537I can't explain how to make gesture and rhythm click for an artist. What I can explain is what causes C curves, straight lines, and S curves in the body.The skeleton is a series of joints. The natural tendency of the body is to spread any movement through as many joints as possible, so that stress is spread evenly throughout the system. This is expressed in C curves.Straight lines are formed typically in limbs when the body is fighting gravity or exerting force in a particular direction. This is the most efficient way of using energy. When you are standing, your legs are locked, and very little muscle is engaged. When you throw a punch, a straight arm gives you maximum reach. Straights also form when the body is pulled or pushed, which is just a physics thing.Large S curves are seen in the body because it is designed to be balanced. The spine is naturally an S curve. The torso and the legs in a default stance form an S curve, acting as counterweights to each other so that standing requires less energy.Small S curves occur everywhere in the body because of how muscles operate. Every muscle group has an opposing muscle group that creates motion in the other direction. Muscle groups also tend to wrap around the skeleton, which is how we are able to make twisting motions.These are simple ideas that become complex in combination. Gesture and rhythm lines help keep those ideas intact, making sure they persist through the drawing while abstracting them. In a way, they are the effect rather than the mechanism, which is how you can make a drawing without much anatomical detail, yet seem full of life.
>>7991626>I can explaincan you draw tho?
>>7991537nigga, why are you even on this board if you don't want to draw?
>>7991682>can you draw tho?That's subjective. But I'm always cognizant of these things in my own drawings, sure. It makes free posing possible for me.
>>7992252dis nigga can draw. now i'll read your post
>>7991537Every skill is learnable if your IQ is above 105.
>>7991537Gesture makes sense, when you are already better at drawing and you start hitting your ceiling with more dynamic and complex poses.While I intellectually grasped what gestures are meant to do, I only later truly understood them and I developed my own way of drawing them that works for me.The ones you pisted are very good.I don't like the (superficially similar apoearing) Proko style at all
>>7992342*posted *appearing
>>7992342pyw
>>7991537I think it's taught poorly in the West, and Western educators put the cart before the horse. They constantly expound that gesture is the most fundamental aspect of figure drawing, that it all flows from the gesture, etc.But really, gesture is a fix for stiff posing. The complete beginner's problem is that his art is atrocious in all aspects, not that his posing is poor. Attempting to "grind" gesture while making sweeping, basic mistakes with proportions and accuracy will just frustrate the beginner.In Japan, they generally start with "croquis" sketches, which reproduce poses from reference with big, simple shapes. They nail the simplification and accuracy first, and then exaggerate the gesture once they're comfortable with those aspects.IMO gesture is best learned by first drawing a pose accurately, and then drawing it again while exaggerating the CSI (as Simon pointed out above). Drawing it in fewer strokes, simplifying where needed, and guiding the viewer's eye (Mattesi's stuff is very helpful here). Over time, you can eschew the first drawing and do the exaggerated, simplified version first, i.e. the gesture drawing.To put my money where my mouth is here's a quick demo of what I mean:drawing A is what lots of new artists end up producing when they try to do a "quick gesture": a noodly stickman that frankly just doesn't look very gooddrawing B is a the 'croquis': a simple mannequin that engrains the proportions and relations of simple shapes to one another: note the relation of the knees to each other etc. There is no exaggeration of gesture at this stage (yet)drawing C is a gesture that simplifies rhythms and exaggerates curves where possible and tries to keep the curves counterbalancing each other with the 'S' ideaTry it yourself if you're struggling to produce attractive gesture drawings: start by simplifying and reproducing the pose with as accurate an arrangement of simple shapes as you can, then try pushing the pose using sweeping curves
>>7992364Japanese "croquis" is literally gesture drawing. And like gaijin's gesture drawing, everyone teaches Japanese "croquis" differently. Not everyone does B in your picture.
>>7992364who do i study for C
>>7992387Mattesi, Keane, Weston, Choi>>7992383The point of my post is that if your gesture drawings are ugly, try doing B first and then "correcting" the stiffness with gesture
>>7992252please return to piczel simon i miss ui wanna see you draw again
>>7992252kys pedo
>>7991537Go copy a bunch of old Disney drawings, you'll probably understand gesture faster, they practically made a science out of it
>>7991537>Gesture drawing is totally critical to drawing peopleIt's not though. It's basically an exercise that pros have turned into an art process.
>>7992460pywBut seriously, i tried that. But finding old disney drawings turns out to be pretty difficult. I mean you can find a few shitty scans here and there. But a lot of disney sketch collections are very limited prints, and not leaked.
>>7992472It’s not as hard as you think. Pic rel is a glen keane sketch. Just google disney concept art for older movies and what not
>>7992364It’s a scam by educators to keep beginners weeded into beginner lessons forever while they siphon their wallets long enough until they give up until the fresh batch of hopefuls come, bright and early on January 1st.
>>7992252Love the one on the top right
These are actually really hard to do. It's Bridgman all over again. I get the assignment enough to understand the value but Im not sure I'm getting anything out of it
>>7993331Thanks, I needed the laugh.
>>7993335Please don't laugh when I'm being dramatic
>>7993474I like em
>>7991537>friend is /beg/ for years>shows me something he "studied" >its so completely far off it doesnt even look like he even had the ref when he was drawing it>want to yell at him to just TRY to draw lines in the same DIRECTION as the ref>he only drew this one thing in ann hour and stopped>then asks me how I got so good when I tell hem constantly its because I draw things over and over at least ten times when studying.
>>7992364This guys right. The main issue with beginners is they can't even draw a square with 4 equal sides. Just getting proportions and sizes right is filtering them, they can't think about gesture yet. If an artist can at least be consistent and draw the same shitty figure multiple times, THEN gesture and form will save them, but they need to learn how to draw shapes in the first place.
>>7993331gold
Hey op just found an instagram called artofdisneymagic I recommend you check it out.>>7993474>>7993331You’ve got the general idea down but let’s work on curviness. Gesture is about dynamic curves and lines, too many straight and stiff lines and line transitions here. Make a page of flowing, curvy lines before your next study
>>7991537>gesture drew for 30 minutes then rage quitTo answer your question, Gesture Drawing is a way to draw your figure quickly as a quick annotation. You gotta work quickly because you only have 30 seconds before your strong impression of the pose weakens. There's a focus on getting the essence, weight and movement on the figure, because that's what you should be focusing on. And no, it's not a talent that you're born with. Just follow along with how some artists draw gesture. Michael Hampton has a ton of videos walking through his process, just copy how he does it and apply it to your own gestures.Also stick with it, it takes months of daily gesture drawing before it really clicks.
>>7991537https://youtu.be/0Xi-Qd_jxrw?si=CgYqJY4fdgLozbpr
