wtf I love brown bussy now

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>>7994305
Another doxy study in oils

>>7994339
>$700
based

>>7994339
Not really seeing the "cubism anime" style as you said in the listing.

>>7994799
it's just a buzzword he uses to sell paintings

>>7994802
Ah okay, if it helps one live as an artist it's fine.
Recently got myself tangled up in an art market with my plein air paintings. One thing I quickly learned is that people don't really look at your work as you do, they just want to see things they recognise and hear stories about the painting.

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still advancing finishing tomorrow hopefully

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>>7995337
Take your time

>>7994305
Hey anons some of my Liquitex and Daler Rowney acrylic ink jar caps have a weird "bounce" when I twist them and they come loose even if turning them in the tightening direction.

What are the thread sizes of Liquitex and daler rowney acrylic ink jars so I can get replacements off amazon or aliexpres?

Speaking of aliexpress what brushes do you buy from there that actually are good? I'm looking for round tip brushes and line rigger brushes.

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Charcoal sketch from my college life drawing class.

Yes she had an ass like that.

Liquin seems trash doesn't help spread paint almost at all

rape brian and wear his skin like a bathrobe

>>7995518
it’s mostly useful for the rapid drying time. i use it a lot

>>7995555
umad he’s making 5k a month on ebay

>>7995576
yes, unironically

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anyone in these threads exhibit in galleries or aspire to? and does /ic/'s disdain for 'contemporary art' extend to the trad threads?

>>7995592
>do you aspire to hand over half your selling price to some jewish homosexual
let me think about it

>>7995599
dealers are able to increase an artists selling price over time though. exhibitions provide fame, prestige and exposure to wealthy art collectors - none of whom are browsing ebay
wouldnt you rather get 50% of $20,000 than 100% of $2000

>>7995603
post nose

>>7995603
you sound jewish
we don’t work for or associate with kikes here
we have a resident beaner who exclusively draws heinrich himmler and i will give him permission to gas you and then feed your body to pigs

/trad/ is very O9A coded when i think about it. obsessive and guarded neurotics who clash violently in every thread over seeminly minor things like whether oil paint is permanent

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I like lead-tin yellow. Will make my own in the future

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/beg/ here, normally I only post alcohol marker + colored pencil weeb art in /beg/, but yesterday I was possessed by the idea to make red ochre pigment like the cave painters of old and make my silly little anime art with it, maybe on wooden blocks.
Today I found some nice rocks, and spent a whole two hours grinding just one of them down to this amount. What's next? I tried applying more beige powder to a wooden block with just water and a brush yesterday, it changed the color a little bit but was very flakey. I have an order of gum arabic coming in a few days, anything else I need? I heard I might need gesso too?

>>7995609
>>7995612
im posting from nz. art markets still exist in countries without jews.

>nz
>without jews

>>7995626
what kind of paint/marker are you trying to make? pigment needs a binder, which one you use determines the product
gum arabic = watercolour
egg = tempera
casein = casein
oil = oil
wax = crayon / coloured pencil
gum taragacanth = soft pastel
if you want the natural colour of the wood to show through priming it with clear gesso / gac 100 / pva will work for most of these. not sure about water colour though

>>7995626
The finer the grind, the better the color. you also want to levitate the pigment if you haven't already. You technically only need gum arabic and water as far as ingredients go, some people add clove oil to stave off fungus. You almost certainly want to add honey, glycerin or other humectant because earth pigments dry into clay and will be a bitch to rewet otherwise. I'm fairly sure you could apply the paint directly to wood if you don't dilute it too much, it should be very opaque and stick well, gesso is more for washes and to get a lighter ground. You can also skip the gum arabic and paint using egg yolk for wood or whites for paper, then you'd want gesso for wood

>>7995638
>levitate
*levigate

>>7995626
Oil and Egg tempera is suited for painting on wood. Gesso is recommended but not necessary.

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>>7995629
more likely to meet triplet twins than a jew in nz

>>7995649
>muh religion
lol
>wef owned prime ministers for 30 years straight, merely a cohencidence
>imports jeets and chinks wholesale
>crashes the economy with no survivors
>vaxxes the goycattle
>sells land and visas to uberkikes
>"oy vey, we don't have enough land for all the jeets and chinks, goyim"
>commercializes protected land
>"there are no jews here, goy"
t. moved out of that goy farm before covid

Despite being such a small minority, triplet twins are stark over-represented in media companies board members, bankers and billionaires. What a funny coincidence, right?

>>7995666
Go back to /pol:

see how he recoils

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Thanks for all the helpful replies, sorry for the wall of text
>>7995636
>what kind of paint/marker are you trying to make?
I'm /beg/ and am unfamiliar with most of these. I went with gum arabic since I have been curious about watercolor already (I have a set of watercolor pencils I've been meaning to practice with), but do they still work on a wooden surface as opposed to paper? The idea of making pastels or even pencils does appeal to me a lot, I already do a lot with colored pencils.
What I'm hoping to do here is still a bit hazy and open to change, but basically I'm hoping to make something primarily black (Ohuhu fineliner for now, homemade black pigment in the future?) and 'white' (uncolored wood), plus some splashes of red ochre color, going for a minimal color scheme. I'm hoping for the result to feel prehistoric (matching the prehistoric theme of the art), so if it looks like a cave painting, that's what I'm going for.
>>7995638
Right now it's a powder in a jar on my shelf, along with the rocks I haven't processed yet. I'll levigate them tomorrow.
Sorry if I misread, but are you suggesting I store it in liquid form + clove oil and honey to keep it from drying? My thought was that if I picked gum arabic, the red ochre would be stored in powder form, then I'd take the amount I need for a given project and mix it with the water + gum arabic at that time.
>>7995644
I was considering egg tempera but was concerned that the egg yolk paint would smell after a while, especially since I live in a very humid place. Is that wrong?
My fantasy is that I could refine these and sell them at like Comiket someday, so I wouldn't want it to smell.

>>7995687
>Sorry if I misread, but are you suggesting I store it in liquid form + clove oil and honey to keep it from drying? My thought was that if I picked gum arabic, the red ochre would be stored in powder form, then I'd take the amount I need for a given project and mix it with the water + gum arabic at that time.
No, you're thinking of tempera (egg yolk/white), gum arabic and pigment is literally watercolor, it's infinitely rewetable, there's absolutely no reason not to store finished paint, you just need a humectant if you want to dry it because earth pigments are stupidly thirsty and you'd basically be mulling the paint again if you reconstitute a pure gum arabic ochre. You'll also need to seriously mull it to make paint in the first place, it's not something you want to do while painting

>>7995574
ncie to know i thought it was a paint thinner mostly which also happened to dry quick, though im sure it´s somewhat of one too

>>7995666
my bad. i almost forgot jews are always secretly pulling the strings.
do you think the jews at these wef conferences, which some of our politicians have occasionally attended, really care about the nz art market? if they do, what have they done to it? dealer galleries are privately owned businesses, they dont rely on government funding.

>>7995687
>>7995688
Also
>I was considering egg tempera but was concerned that the egg yolk paint would smell after a while, especially since I live in a very humid place. Is that wrong?
My fantasy is that I could refine these and sell them at like Comiket someday, so I wouldn't want it to smell.
I think literally every wood panel painting and probably 90% of manuscripts until like late 1300s were made with yolks or whites as binder (tempera/glaire). Orthodox icons are still painted with egg tempera on wood and hang in every home.

>>7995690
>>7995694
oof, poor display of pilpul
cringe, even
I'd look for a chicken if I were you

>>7995687
>Is that wrong?
Yes.

>>7995695
Tempera does not store. You would only be able to sell the pigment

>>7995698
I literally said that in the post I replied to

>>7995696
are you going to explain how associating with dealer galleries in nz - private businesses run by non jewish people - is somehow colluding with the jews and lining their pockets?

>>7995698
>>7995701
Oh wait, I might have misread the post, I assumed he meant sell the paintings, didn't know they sell paint on weeb conventions

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>run by non-jew-

speaking of ochre, I was watching some youtube video about rock formations and soil shifting on mars and the entire time I just kept thinking "fuck, that's a lot of pigment"

>>7995703
Yeah. I know hat the anime industry used gouache and poster colors. I thought tempera was more of a medieval era enthusiasts medium. It always looks lifeless compared to oil anyway

>>7995704
>doesnt know anything about the art market
>cant answer simple questions directly
>starts posting without the reply function
>tries to deflect with thought terminating cliches
ill accept your concession

>>7995628
are you in auckland?
are you cute?
but seriously, this is one of the most ideologically captured places on the planet dude

>>7995695
I see. I think I might try both egg tempera and gum arabic then, see which one feels right on the wood. Not that I'm going for 100% historical reproduction here but they both seem authentic to the time period I'm interested in.
>>7995698
>>7995703
I wasn't considering selling the paint, but that wouldn't be a bad idea. It depends on which convention, but at Comiket you can find all sorts of enthusiasts selling all manner of things, including a lot of crafts, so it wouldn't be out of the norm.
In which case it would be the homemade watercolors, of course.
I don't know if they would let me sell rocks I found and just ground up though, a bit more processing might be necessary.

>>7995694
this is the kvetching that awaits you here if you don’t bow down like a good golem
https://archive.is/vWT6K

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>>7995708
Idiotic statement, egg tempera is factually more lightfast than oil, you've probably seen plenty of tempera paintings you assumed were oils, no shit monks and medieval artists weren't as good as post-renaissance masters. The hatching capacity alone makes egg tempera amazing.

>>7995721
As long as you don’t admire thet degerate, Andrew Wyeth. Tacky, castelrss painter.
>>7995717
I am also a pigment fiend. Excited to be experimenting with Paris green at some point.

>>7995721
it’s more lightfast historically but they are probably pretty even now
we underestimate how trash and poorly regulated pigments were historically.
i highly doubt oils from old holland or blockx are less lightfast than same pigments with egg tempera

>>7995729
Lightfastness has more to do with the pigment than the medium. Vermillion never fades, but it can darken in watercolor, but the oil prevents it from interacting with atmospheric gases any more than is necessary for the oil to cure. Rhetorical downside of oil is that it becomes progressively more brittle over time

>>7995730
*the only
I detest autodorrect

>>7995729
>poppy
Gross, dude
>>7995730
Wrong, it has a lot to do with the medium because it changes the amount radiation the pigment is exposed to, that's why opaque mediums fade more, the pigment is naked

>>7995736
you’re gonna be naked

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>>7995730
vermillion absolutely does darken in in oil

>>7995729
>they are probably pretty even now
The biggest factor is titanium being the major white pigment instead of lead. Yeah, modern paintings may crumble way sooner than in the old days. But who cares.

>>7995716
>are you in auckland?
yes are you?
>but seriously, this is one of the most ideologically captured places on the planet dude
only if you believe 'liberal' = 'jewish'

>>7995745
>modern paintings may crumble way sooner than in the old days
Painters were restoring their own works while still alive due to cracks and flakes when megilp was popular

>>7995749
yeah i am in niggerville
read the article i linked where the author attacks fascism in nz art galleries
i almost did a course with this guy at whitecliffe till i saw his early life

yes liberalism is just tikkun olam values for secular golems in all aspects
you’re talking to the most far right person in the country btw.

>>7995743
It does, but there are also instances of paintings not darkening despite being the same age.
>>7995745
Fuck the EU and the EPA for kneecapping the
lead white industry

>>7995752
French academics work ages like milk, they invented a lot of new chemistry, but had no idea how to use it. Bouguereau's paintings look worse than some way older pictures.

>>7995757
if liberalism is just jewish ideology why are the liberals in nz so vehemently pro palestine?
>read the article i linked where the author attacks fascism in nz art galleries
wheres the link?

(((Someone))) is really invested into promoting (((galleries))) and defending jews, very curious.

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>>7995728
I am a /beg/ newborn here and mostly just know alcohol markers + colored pencils, but learning to use them and mix them is so cool. I'm glad I went with physical instead of digital
>extremely toxic
whoa, I have a long way to go before I work with pigments like that. Very cool color though

(((No one))) is able to explain how all (((galleries))) are secretly run by jews, very curious.

>>7995772
lurk before posting

>>7995775
>i cant explain it but the answer is out there somewhere!

>>7995778
lurk before posting, imbecile, you literally called all galleries jewish

>>7995780
read posts more carefully before replying, imbecile, im suggesting theyre not.

>>7995784
no, that's what you think you're doing, you retarded tourist
lurk before posting

Where's a Hitler when you need one?

>>7995795
There’s a Hitler in all of us

>>7995769
Im also experimenting with erbium oxide. Seems nobody else has used it yet. There is almost no documentation of it in oil

>hey guys what do you think about art galleries?
>THEY ARE ALL RUN BY JEWS
>how on earth did you come to that conclusion?
>....
>JEW SYMPATHIZER!

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>>7995728
For a second I thought you were talking about a different Wyeth.

>>7995819
I don’t care for N. C. Because he is an illustrator, and Andrew was a copy of his dad. Thats why Andrew was tacky. Same reason James gurney is tacky. All thet technical skill and no taste. Plus Andrew kept a German woman as his mistress. German women are so mannish in appearance and mannerisms.

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>>7995808
take your meds

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>>7995822
Well, each to their own. I personally like the work of N.C. Wyeth.

>>7995823
>take your meds
im not the one pushing conspiracies about the jewish global elite in a trad art thread anon

>>7995801
>The applications of Er2O3 are varied due to their electrical, optical and photoluminescence properties.
>photoluminescent properties
does it glow?

>>7995829
It’s used as an additive in glass which can amplify certain wavelengths of light. Good for certain types of lasers

Trad thread doing what it always does

>>7995830
some jew got his thought piece published 8 years ago wow i guess they really are running the country

>>7994305
Pretty terrible OP pic, now I have to see this shit on the catalog for weeks

>>7995845
People wished a picture made by the himmler-twink

>>7995849
>people
(You)
just say you want to clap his cheeks, we all know you're thinking it

>>7995853
I don't give a fuck, i just manifest the peoples will.

im going insane from painting bruhs its too intense not even going past 5 hrs a day trying to stay consistent from 2 to 5 or so every day

feels like doing exorcism or going to a war

>>7995928
maybe try a different process, some are more exhausting and boring than others
going balls deep without a drawing is pretty fun

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>>7995928

>>7995955
based

>>7995772
knock yourself out then

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Guys use a drawing I made of Heinrich next time not this.

On vacation rn so take this old af pic

>>7996095
>on vacation
getting a nice suntan on your smooth young body i hope

>>7995928
painting isnt hard, maybe you are just drawing wrong.

>>7995485
Nobody knows about the thread sizes?
I don't trust the search result ai responses. And I hate wasting money.

What are some good bulk brush deals on aliexpress/temu then?

>>7996172
pyw

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How do I paint like Vilppu?

>>7996154
I can't tan (I only turn red) but ya. Messnerknabe on insta for vacation pics

>>7996533
too late, I'm PMing your mom
you'll be calling me daddy soon

>>7996533
Nice socks, nerd

>>7996539
Thanks
>>7996537
Do what you want I only deleted because I accidentally attached the picture (don't wanna post too much non-art here really).

WHY DON'T YOU FUCKERS PAINT

>>7996724
Lead by example and post your work.

>>7996810
Rude!

>>7996810
>t.riggered

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>>7994305
Why is everything i do so shit

>>7996536
>he’s actually gay
Son I am disappoint

Painting traditionally feels like modding Skyrim. No matter what I add to my process or what tools I buy, it always feels like shit.

I guess my main problem is just that I don't want to paint on big canvas, so I can't even really make thin lines with brush. I also don't want to use airbrush so I can't even make really smooth transitions.

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>>7996184
These are good. To me at least. Also cheap. Not if they are on on your websites tho.

I always thought to make really thin lines with brushes I could just buy one of these very short hair brushes, but those are actually terrible for thin lines.

It seems the round brushes with a sharp tip are the best for it. Not sure what the small short brushes are good for tho

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>>7997097
>to make really thin lines with brushes
pic related
>>7997097
>Not sure what the small short brushes are good for tho
details

>>7997061

Draw more. Use bigger brushes at the start. Use thicker and probably better quality paint.

>>7997068
in what universe could he possibly have been straight?

>>7997068
Imagine not being able to detect the gender and sexuality and the political positioning of the artist, by just looking at their art.

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>>7994305
Tried oil pastels yesterday, got this after a couple tries and I'm kinda proud

>>7997068
>sees a guy drawing himself as a naked twink embracing his older male crush that he draws obsessively and posts alongside his own selfies and twink self portraits with heavy emphasis on lips
>"I've never seen such a straight man!"

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Lads, give me strength to finish this study so I can move on!

>>7997252
the local masons need to ease up on the booze

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>>7997252
HHNNNNGGGGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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What's the /trad/ stance on limited palettes? The way people talk on the internet makes me feel like a hack if I use a full palette

>>7997441
This is always going to be personal.
I prefer a limited palette, with 4-6 colours, it can help make your painting look more harmonious and by using the same few colours you learn exactly what you can mix and how to solve colour problems within your choice of pigments.
I don't think you necessarily need to use a limited palette, I personally like to explore the limitations. But depending on what you want out of painting it's perfectly valid to go with a palette of many different colours.

>>7997441
I'm a poor fag so limited palette sounds great to me
Also could be a good way to define your style and become more recognizable

>>7997537
>I'm a poor fag so limited palette sounds great to me
until you realize you're mixing the cheapest, most lightfast pigment colors with your expensive primaries

>>7997567
>Lightfastness is a property of a colourant such as dye or pigment that describes its resistance to fading when exposed to light.[1][2][3]
What's wrong with lightfast pigment ?

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>>7997747
no, I'm saying you're replacing readily available cheap, lightfast pigments with more expensive primaries
eg nuzorn generally uses cad red instead of vermillion, so instead of a cheap and lightfast light red, burnt umber, burnt sienna etc, you're using cad red so the same painting costs more money to paint even if you skip paying for more tubes

>>7997784
cad red and vermillion aren't exactly interchangeable

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The ultra fine stuff in the plastic container look no different from this morning. How long should I expect it to take for them to finish levigating?

>>7997784
A limited palette can limit the color gamut or the paint tubes.
Nearly all earth colors are within the Zorn palette color gamut. Some earth are very expensive, but let say you build a palette out of affordable earth paints: Ochre, Burned Umber, Raw Umber, Mars Black, Siena, Burned Siena, English Red maybe transparent iron oxides... Its a lot of paint tubes, but the gamut is very limited. Than you add cad red, but you use it only as an accent for high saturation, your main red is English red for example. It's cheap, you have more options regarding transparency, but it's a lot of paint tubes to manage.
A Zorn palette is only 4 tubes. Way more limited in therms of texture, opacity etc but fery simple and not that expensive. Becosu most of the paint you use is not cad. You use much more ochre and white red. It depends on your subjects (most of the time Zorn is used for people, so a lot of skin, hair, and nutral backgrounds) but i would say if you use Zorn for a long time the ratio will be like 5-5 parts white, 4 parts ochre, 1 part black and 0.5-1 parts cad red. So every liter of white you would only use 50-100g tube of cad (if its premium).
Not that bad really, makes sense for a lot of people.

What's way worse are primary limitted palettes. When you have very strong, pure, expensive primary colors and you mix them together to produce a bigger amount of greyish color. Like you need a big amount of purple-grey, so you mix cad red and cobald blue, both very expensive. Many of those are against black pigments as well, so they mix chromatic blacks... Those are stupid and expensive, Zorn is fine.

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>>7997953
do you often just post random brain farts for the sake of posting something?

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>>7997953

inb4 another 100 post chain squabbling over pigments

>>7998004
inb4 you don't post your work and just nag like a woman that people in the trad thread that you're not contributing to are discussing trad things

>>7998001
nigger are you suggesting vermillion and modern vermillion hue are identical? genuine vermillion which you probably don't even own is more expenjive than cad
when you only have three pigments and white, the shade of those pigments matters a lot. cad is much more neutral red, vermillion hue skews warm
also cad red is the most high tint pigment ive used besides prussian blue and pthalo green, you need barely any for most situations when you are painting portraits or landscapes

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>>7998014
nobody's talking about "modern vermilion hue", illiterate retard, cadmium LITERALLY replaced vermilion and is in fact, the red in contemporary zorn
shut the fuck up, retard

>>7998015
are you actully fucking braindead or mentally ill
go reread
>>7997784
and then kill yourself ESL garbage
just buy cad red for zorn pallette you poor third world trash

>article dropping browntard calling someone an esl

>>7998021
cad red is the only viable red for zorn palette unless your brokie ass is going to pay for rublev genuine vermilion
a tube of old holland cad red will last you months
if you don't like it you can always kill yourself

>>7998014
None of what you said has any relevance to the discussion, thoughbeit.
>also cad red is the most high tint pigment ive used besides prussian blue and pthalo green
That's just silly, it's not even the most high tinting cadmium.

why is favela-anon always so angry?

>>7998022
>cad red is the only viable red for zorn palette unless your brokie ass is going to pay for rublev genuine vermilion
seriously learn english, retard
I never even suggested not using cad and literally stated it's the red used in zorn
don't reply to me with more brown retardation pls

>>7998023
? which cad is higher tint?
you have 3 pigments and white with zorn. therefore the characteristics of each matters A LOT
you can't subsistute naples red or whatever dogshit without adversely affecting the whole palette especially for flesh tones

>>7998025
then why is your insane schizo ass arguing about something we both agree on
you need to be spanked or what?
i'm responding to the post i quoted whinging about the price of cad red

>>7998028
no you dumb latamonkey, I never "whinged" about the price, I informed someone saying he's poor so a limited palette appeals to him that a limited palette costs more per painting because you're using expensive pigments to mix browns instead of having a couple extra tubes of earth pigments
I literally gave the example of having to use cadmium to mix a burnt sienna instead of just having a burnt sienna on the palette
using more cadmium = spending more money, ergo limited palettes aren't cheaper
learn english

you faggots keep this up and i may actualy make a tripcode
i'm the second best artist here after brian and STILL you dispute me at every turn

>>7998029
that's retarded as fuck though
the cad is so much higher tint than the other pigs in zorn palette that it won't take much to make a brown or whatever
i see what you're saying but unless you paint absolutely massive paintings it won't be a real factor
and some beg scrub shouldn't paint massive

>>7998029
how many browns siennas and umbers do you need in your painting anyway

is it because you have brown shit colored skin

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>you faggots keep this up and i may actualy make a tripcode
>i'm the second best artist here after brian and STILL you dispute me at every turn

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>>7998033
>gets btfo
>seethes
many such cases
>>7998034
>how many browns siennas and umbers do you need in your painting anyway
dunno, let's ask the swedish swarthoid himself

>>7998039
>it's called the zorn palette
>that means zorn ALWAYS used it
anon...

>>7998035
i look like this and say this

>>7998045
>heh it doesn't take much cad to make earths, how many earth colors do you even need
>w-well of course zorn used other paints when he needed earths...
well, there you go, I was right and you btfo yourself yet again

>>7998046
we're discussing limited palettes
if you start adding more pigs it won't be a limited palette will it
if you are SO poor then add burnt umber or some shit
personally i don't worry about paint i have more cad than i will ever use

>>7998047
>if you are poor then add burnt umberr\
yes, that is literally what I said to
>>7997537
after he said he was poor and looking at limited palettes
glad you finally managed to catch on, brown retard, I'm proud of you

>ey guys there's a useful and simple palette called zorn palette check it out
>2008 blogspot era: woa cool time to go paint for 12 hours straight
>2026 4trannies: OMG BUT WHAT ABOUT WHEN I NEED TO MIX BROWN!!!! IT WON'T BE COST EFFECTIVE!!!!! BABBY GONNA CRY WWAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH MUMMY I NEED MORE MONEY FOR PAINTYS WAAAAHHHH
holy fuck man... seek mental help

>gets btfo
>seethes
many such cases

>>7998048
yeah good thinking bro that's a real great addition to the zorn palette. when he is mixing colors he can mix them normally with cad and ult blue to make tones
azd then when he needs to mix brown, he can quickly reach for his magic burnt umber to made sure he doesn't waste his precious one drop of cad red and keep things on a le heckkin budget

that's actually a really great addition to the zorn palette, thanks for thinking of that. genius idea

>tones
>ult in zorn
>earths don't mix
kek it's a nopaint

>>7998052
i am actually at the point where i will mail the beg a tube of cad red light for his zorn palette iif you will just shut the fuck up

>>7998054
are you at a point where you will try actually painting for once lel

all these posts are me btw

>>7998035
funny, how most of the time now, my frieren is associated with other anons

>>7998060
I knew it wasn't you, you'd never place Brian above yourself. I just like posting it, it's funny.

>>7998063
brian makes a living doing this you don't

>>7998078
>YOU'D never place Brian above YOURSELF
>hurr durr but what about you tho
Did some Indian shithole get access to the internet again? Build the firewall.

>>7998015
>the red in contemporary zorn
Huh, who even decides what "contemporary Zorn" is?
I personally prefer the English red and yellow ochre combo when I use the limited palette for figures.

>>7998137
Big Paint

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Inkwash on xuan paper

>>7998030
>i'm the second best artist here after brian
Pyw your work then, I am very curious now.

>>7998143
peam

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oils took a bit to dry, got a few days off work so i finally got around to finish this

the phone camera sadly doesn't capture how rich the paint color is

this was fun for a first, can't wait to do more

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>>7998665

>>7997220
i like it, real nice contrast

Thoughts on acrylic vs alcohol markers? I feel like acrylic would be nicer

>>7998697
>Thoughts on acrylic vs alcohol markers?
It depends, alcohol marker are way smoother and the produce zero paper buckling. Acrylic marker wrap the paper are harder to blend and the produce build up fast, as the ink is relatively thick. So it depends.

>>7998665
>>7998666
oh wow, you finished it! looks so dang good, anon. really great work.

>>7998665
>>7998666
what's the scene here? the guy looks like he got shot and is falling back, but the gun is cocked with no sign of firing
also, the tiny houses on the right edge of the canvas kinda ruin the composition

>>7998665
What ref? I like the figures, but i don't get the yellow surroundings. I would like to see a little bit more information on the horses.

>>7998667
Thanks ! I think i'll stick with this technique

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>>7998724
>>7998752
>>7998850
thanks, it's dean cornwell's the stick up
i could've polished it forever but i'd rather just spend those hours making a new one

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Tried oil paints for the first time. The drawing is wonky as hell but I'm pretty happy with the colors. Next time I'm painting on a larger canvas instead of an a5 paper.

>>7998898
>I'm pretty happy with the colors
All your shadows are just black, though.

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>>7998940
I tried to avoid black and only mix red and blue to create shadows. Did I just mix too many colors until it became mud or something? Here's another photo.

>>7998955
>I tried to avoid black and only mix red and blue to create shadows
You wasted paint. Mixing black with red and blue does not make it colorful, its one of retarded boomer truisms, its magical thinking, like if the black mixture remembers being colorful in the past.
If you want your shadows more colorful, you have to mix more tones. Chromatic black does nothing but makes mixing harder, normal black is more predictable in mixes.

You could achieve some colorful effects, by working in layers. You put a layer of red, you let it dry, you put blue on top, it would look black but in strong sunlight you may be able to see some shimmering effects.
Chromatic black does nothing.

>>7998971
>>7998976
Thanks for the input guys

>>7998940
>>7998971
Seething jellyposting

>>7999005
I have 100iq, gnome.

>>7999035
post 10

>>7999042
Lol, u stupid.

>>7999048
that's what I thought

>>7999049
Sub 95, know your place.

>>7999103
I'm more of a power bottom actually

>>7999114
I dont care for amerikan "culture"

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>>7994305

>>7999118
No surprise, appreciating American culture takes 101 IQ

>>7999128
Biologically averse to slop, nice.

>>7998971
this guy has low color sensitivity eyes
old masters would've had you out of the atelier on day one

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>>7999600
the old masters would have castrated him to death for reddit theoryposting

>>7999600
>>7999800
double double oughts of pseud rape

>>7999600
>>7999800
also if anyone is in doubt, go mix a blue/red "black" mixture and compare it on the palette to ivory or mars black
if you think it "looks the same" i have bad news for you

Even after a night with a bunch of books standing on it, my paper still has waves on it.
I'm seriously thinking about just glueing the paper onto wood or something. The waving after the sealing is just too annoying.

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studies of apple in watercolor

>>8000203
You will die from syphilis very soon, boomer-asshole.

Painting traditionally is such a huge hassle. I actually wonder if it's really worth it when I could also just color digitally and be ten times faster...

>>8000525
Nobody buys digital anymore.

>>8000525
>color
holy ngmi

>>8000265
it's not gonna magically unwarp, you need to iron it

>>8000557
Last time I managed to unwarp it with books but this time it didn't completely work somehow.
I just glued it on wood now. Probably will do it always like this although it's really an annoying extra step to get the right wood and everything. I just lose all motivation to paint when having waves in the paper.

>>8000265
You have to wet it.

>>8000639
From behind.

>>8000272
For a study, not bad.

>>8000525
Depends entirely on what you are aiming for. Doing comics and you need the speed? Yeah go digital. Want to sell paintings to people? Absolutely stick with paint and brushes.
You didn't tell us what you wanted to do, so how can we answer your question?

>>8000639
>>8000642
How am I supposed to wet it from behind when I also have to strap it onto something with tape?

>>8000687
what?

>>8000668
It wasn't really a question. More just loud thinking.
I guess I want a bit of everything. I would say the most interesting for me atm is painting with acrylics although it's really a hassle.
I also like just drawing with graphite and smudging tho. Or coloring with Copics. Coloring digitally is also fun. I also could imagine going back to pastels and watercolor pencils again. I also like just inking my drawings. I also still have ideas for manga I want to draw. I don't really like limiting myself to 1 thing.

>>8000525
I'm mostly a digitalfag but I find traditional superior because it's tangible, you can touch it, it changes depending on lighting conditions etc. You could create the greatest digital painting in the world and the average viewer would assume you painted over a photo or used other similar tools. A good oil painting can't be faked. You mixed those colors, you put down those brushstrokes.

>>8001407
>the average viewer would assume you painted over a photo or used other similar tools
Are you saying you can't trace in trad? Even the old masters already used tracing methods.
There are definitely ways to make painting in trad easier too. You could for example print out a photo and just paint over it.

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my oc. done on kraft paper. I used alcohol markers and acrylic paint brushpens. details done with prismacolor coloring pencils

>>8001420
i've heard of people using projectors and camera obscura but i've never heard of painting directly over a photo

>>8000525
when you finish a trad painting you have a permanent (50-100 years at least) physical object to decorate an interior space, which can theoretically be sold for hundreds of dollars or more if it's not shit
even brian is able to make a living with his truly awful paintings
when you finish a digital painting, you have a file that can be copy pasted infinitely that no one will pay for unless it's commission, and those people are being destroyed by generative AI
i'm not saying AI will never paint trad paintings but i think it's such an edge use case that it will take a long time before they make it to market

>>8001646
>when you finish a trad painting
>finish
lol
>you have a permanent
*cursed
>physical object to decorate
*haunt
>an interior space, which can theoretically be sold
haha
>even brian is able to make a living
brian is by an order of magnitude the most successful artist here, if not on the entire board, and he lives in his mom's basement

>>8001646
I don't really care about maing money. I already draw and paint since decades and never made any money with it. I just do trad because I like the look of it more and it's how I grew up with it. Plus you have an original you can hang on your wall. But still digital is just way faster.

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>>8001646
>brians truly awful paintings.
Qrd? Any references? Are they worse than this?

>>8001662
no.

>>8001662
yes.

>>8001657
if you dont care about making money then just do whatever you enjoy the most
>>8001662
no, brian at least understands that shape mass and contrast are important

>>8001700
and racemixed tits

Is there any way to make white/pinkish skin color glazes with grisaille with acrylics?

I tried mixing it with transparent mixing white, but then the color just turned out transparent and was barely visible on paper.
Then I tried mixing it with a lot of titan white and it obviously became very opaque. I managed to still make underlying shadows somewhat visible by tilting the canvas and letting the water flow into the highlight, but then there was a puddle in the highlight which just didn't want to dry. And the shadow obviously also was pretty bright then (still visibel tho).

Should I just use this titan white mix as a highlight color?
Or could I maybe mix it with medium and make it more transparent while still keeping the saturation?

Color mixing is pretty complicated, especially when you just prefer white skin over brownish skin and use grisaille technique on top of it.

>>8001772
GRISAILLE IS A MEME
I swear this shit is propagated solely by digifags latching onto any old painty word to give their pixel pushing some semblance of street cred, and it's not even a good technique in digital either.
Like it literally means grey, what the fuck do you think it does to color?
And no, grisaille =/= underpainting

>>8001783
You also could call it Sfumato. That's how it first was called I think. Davinci also used grey underpaintings.

>>8001791
no, sfumato is a type of glazing, not a type of underpainting, which is what grisaille is
that's like saying you can call a brush a canvas

>>8001791
>Davinci also used grey underpaintings
Yes, and literally nobody ever looked at a Da Vinci and thought "oh what wonderful flesh tones".

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>>8001800
This one is pretty good I think

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>>8000648
thanks, here is another one

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How did he make this? It looks so simple but he made it look so good.

Is it just a grey underpainting and then some thin green hue over it and then thicker warm colors for the highlight areas? What colors did he use especially for the shadowy parts?

>>8001858
To me the shadows look like a mix of thin yellow and some green over grey underpainting. Not sure tho.

>>8001858
>Is it just a grey underpainting
Bougi worked in color from the beginning.

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>>8001819
It looks the same as every other human shaped turd grisaille produced, miss me with the editing
>>8001858
Pretty much nothing since the end of the 18th century was painted with grisaille because grisaille makes the colors look like shit

>>8001931
Hajime Sorayama uses grey underpainting and he still manages to make it look good

Yu have no clue what you are talking about

>>8001896
He just used a bit of color in the grey but he still did grey uderpaintings

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>>8001987
his flesh tones are absolute fucking ass, there's a reason he's only known for his meme robots
post a painting of his with "white/pinkish skin color" that you asked for, retard

>>8001989
Except he didn't, we know how he taught

>>8001989
He never did grey underpainting, this is well researched and attested by his contemporaries. He'd make a warm ebauche and then paint directly over it, not glaze color onto it.

>>8001989
No, he did a brown underpainting at best, no grisaille. Grisaille would be considered outdated by the end of 19th century anyway.

kek this nigga really looks at sorrymama
and thinks ah yes this is just like boogeroo

>>8002029
So he did a grey underpainting but just added warm color to the grey...

>>8002039
You don't know what an underpainting even is, pyw

>>8002036
I never said this. I Boogeroo definitely painted better skin. I think it's mainly because he painted highlight areas thicker and then just brushed the brushstrokes away

>>8002041
What is a warm ebauche?

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>>8002039
this is an ebauche, it's just what english painters. all a color sketch

>>8002045
PYW, time wasting mongoloid

>>8002042
holy dunning kruger

>>8002051
You can not even compare Boogeroo to Sorayama since Boogeroo painted oils which are objectively better looking.
Sorayama worked as an illustrator so he prefered acrylics simply because they have a faster workflow. For acrylics his paintings look fantastic tho.

>>8002058
You can't compare them because one of them is a master and the other isn't even in the top tier of commercial painters. You gonna post that Sorayama flesh tone now or just keep coping how grisuck totally isn't shit for color and you just need to le brush le highlights lmoa

>>8002063
Sorayama is a master too. He just paints his pictures in 3 days and works fast.
>You gonna post that Sorayama flesh tone
I never said he has such a flesh tone. I just said he makes it look good anyway. His technique involves a lot of paint erasing for highlight areas, that's probably why he never painted really white/pinkish flesh tones for the highlights because you cant erase opaque color that well.

His taste in women is generally not really my thing anyway. They are too masculine for me. He still can paint masterfully tho.

>>8002068
Lotta cope.

>>8002068
>Sorayama is a master too.
Bougi is a genius that dominated a whole generation of artists, in the most competitive art environment in humans history. But sure, Soroyama is good too...

>>8002072
Bougi went out of fashion quickly and was seen as out of touch with the time and predictable.
He just build up on hundreds of years of academic knowledge.

Sorayama never had a mentor and was self taught. He also paints literal porn. Despite all this he still managed to become highly successfull.

>>8002074
might as well look to pollock then lol

>>8002076
I look at everything.

>>8002078
pyw

>>8002074
>Bougi went out of fashion quickly and was seen as out of touch with the time and predictable.
Haha, kill yourself.

>>8002084
It's the truth. I love his paintings myself but back then he really wasn't that well liked. I personally find his stuff miles better than all the impressionist and abstract shit from that time tho.

>>8002086
>literally one of the of the wealthiest, most decorated artists in his time holding the highest price in the art world
>h-he wasn't well liked
>a literallywho meme cereal box "artist"
>highly successful
Kill yourself, plebbitor. Based boogie should have lynched the Limpressionists instead of just kicking them out like he did.

>>8002088
Bouguereau painted literal kitsch

At least Sorayama is honest and paints humans how they really are. Ie brutal animals.

No (You)s for jewposting

>>8002103
>glorifies a literal Christcuck painter
>calls other people Jews
There is nothing more jewish in the west than Christianity

>[jewposting intensifies]

>>8002108
all 3 are the same glad we agree anonymous stranger

>>8002108
what a jewish thing to say

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>>7994305
first try at oil painting... r8?

>>8002593
Why no background? Not even a tone.
The white of the background makes the actual painted bit look like a grey splotch with no good values or highlights.

Mixing colors reminds me of alchemy in Skyrim. You are basically mixing magic spells.

Mixing a good skin tone is like mixing a good healing potion. And your brushes are your weapon arsenal.

The question is what would be the equivalent to mixing an invisibility potion? I would say it's probably mixing a color for transparent effects. I've heard that is the hardest kind color to create.

What is wrong with this retard?

>>8002782
Altruism.

>>8002564
>glorifies a Jew on a stick
>calls other people jews
completely retarded you are

>>8002108
>>8003042
>capital j
kosher antisemite, definitely circumcised

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Some pages from sketchbook

>>8003042
>D&C jew shill golem kvetching about a long dead artist who was better than him
yep it's oven time

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Does anyone ever think of their paint drying as "cooling off"? In the past couple weeks, every single fucking time I've said, either out loud or to myself "I need to wait for this to dry" I've said "cool off" instead of dry. Is this a thing that happens to people or is my brain playing with me for no reason?

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>>8003669
Cooling off? Maybe you are actually subconsciously talking about yourself.
I also do plein air work (pic related) and I always find it rather intense, most of the time I end up taking a nap shortly afterwards.

>>8003786
>the car
oof

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>>8001931
christian rex van minnen uses a grisaille underpainting with color glaze

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>>8001931
You do realize you can easily mix grey underpainting with thicker colors too right?

Also Leonardos colors look shit because his paintings are old as fuck. It's the varnish which makes them look like this because it becomes yellow after a while.

>>8004027
>>8003830
>posts uncanny valley flesh
kek

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>muh grease ale
https://journals.openedition.org/ceroart/3828
This is what Leo's underpaintings look like, retards