old >>7994305
>>8005669Damn zooming and admiring all the details you got in. I like the switch to hatching lines on the jeans, very subtle, didn't notice right away
>>8007743Not bad, but why is there a head floating around?
>>8007790It was originally just a color testing paper but then I just felt like drawing on it so it's a bit chaotic
>>8007790>Not badIt's pretty bad thoughbeit
>>8007801retard
>>8007499doesnt look trad
>>8008012Don't hate the critic, hate yourself
>>8008038fuck off
Why do they do this to me???Don't they know I have autism?
>>8008093you're giving money to w&n, so they definitely know you're mentally deficient in some way, but I doubt it's that precise
I really like trying different pigments out. The sky uses lead-tin yellow
>>8008093it's probably the one they removed cobalt driers from. pretty sure they cucked to EU regulators
>>8008106The eu sucks. They banned flake white and chrome yellow for no good reason.
>>8008098>The sky uses lead-tin yellowA flat wash is not the best way to paint the sky.>>8008093Dear goj, pls stop noticing, or you get your social score lowered.
>>8008124It was a very foggy morning. No clouds were visible because I was inside one
>>8008130Gotcha, sometimes it makes sense to force some color variation. But even in such low light environments, or especially in such low light environments, if you meditate a little bit, you will see very interesting stuff, that's only can be seen live with eyes.
>>8008142pyw
>>8008142I did try to use emu memory in addition to photo reference. Ultimately, the color direction for digital cameras is trash. Maybe I’ll get some film for the next time I go down there
Lads, I have been having a lot of luck selling my paintings on art markets, last time I went I sold 5 small paintings with prices around 200 euros. Mostly to American tourists. It's great. Fun way to meet people and to make a bit of a living.
>>8008149frieren.jpg>>8008151You have not painted from life?
>>8008161I used to, but my standing easel broke. Dragging it and 10 lbs of paint, and a stool around on my back has been too much of a pain to paint en plein air. That, and I don’t have a drop cloth/tarp to transparent it all without staining my car’s seats. I also need to figure out what pper I can shellac without warping to make some oil sketches. Unfortunately, paper grammage was not standardized during Frederic Church’s lifetime, ao I have no clue where to start for that
>>8008169You can also use panels, make your kit smaller, and use it to do studies that will help with the final piece.
working on this watercolor. i'm not sure if the colors look good or if it's not saturated enough. can someone give tips plz :P
>>8008169nigga has 50 excuses ready in the chambera drop tarp? wtf? just use an old towel for $1
>>8008169>10 lbs of paintHow big are your tubes nigga, you need like 5 colors to paint what you painted, do you buy them in buckets or what
>>8008169That makes sense, that's what a camera does with low light envierments. Often when i walk around with my dog and i see some interesting, subtle colors in the sky or in the shadow, i try to make a photo of it and most of the time it comes not even close.I always struggle with plain air as well, so im not really in the position to give tips, but i do anyway. I think even the smallest color studies from life would help. Like in this example, you could make a photo and paint a very small color study, something like 10x15cm. To get nice colors and than at home, one could use the color study and the photo, to paint something bigger.
>>8008176>can someone give tips plzPro tip: in 99 out of 100 cases the problem is the value, not the actual color.
>>8008172I probably should>>8008178I prefer to carry a variety of paints rather than do as much color mixing.>>8008177Fair point.>>8008179Good idea. I know that Jeremy man would do 1” studies on a 6” panel.
>>8008180more like /beg/tipit's a watercolor wip, you're not gonna see the values until the end
>>8008182ngmi
>>8008196>>8008196>you're not gonna see the values until the endBut saturation?
>>8008220first of all, saturation doesn't mean what you think it meanssecond, that's not even a real question, how intense colors appear is relative to what they're compared to, ie paint not yet on the paperyou already fucked up by using chromatic green tape btw
>>8008152>on art markets,What's that, i don't think we have something like that here.
>>8008227>first of all, saturation doesn't mean what you think it meansYou are such a clown, favella-kun.
>>8008231take your meds and learn english
made this last week in a/drawthread, looking to improve so critique apreciated, specially with anatomy, the main ref poses were a bit crap but somehow I made it crappier>>8008176Not sure if useful, but I like to mix watercolor and inks for extra saturation on some focal points, depending on the composition, easy to lose control though
>>8008282>easy to lose control thoughI think you did, it's too colorful, it hurts my sensible eyes.I would like to draw my anime ocs in color as well, but i can't, the universe don't let me do that, for some reason.
>>8008301> it's too colorful yeah not even the worse example, I usually do chinese style ink landscapes, so colored characters are outside the comfort zone and competence>I would like to draw my anime ocs in color as well, but i can't, the universe don't let me do that, for some reason.I ll do that, I'll paint your ocs and give you glaucoma, probably.
>>8008322>give you glaucomaI already have. It's some rare condition, i was diagnosed at 18 with. Usually patients with glaucoma are 50plus. But i'm not going blinde soon, hopefully.>I'll paint your ocs But you don't know how they look, though.
Why is there a new spamming retard here every other month, what causes this?
Acrylics
>>8008325sad you got that condition, hopefully does not go worse>But you don't know how they lookyou can post them here if you have some trad or on that oc redraw thread just say the word
>>8008322wow
>>8008180Kinda silly to judge value on the first wash
>>8008204You’re probably right
>>8008362>hopefully does not go worseI need to be more careful, could end badly otherwise.>you can post them here I'm finalizing the concept, i don't want feedback to early, could interfere with my vision, sometimes i'm too susceptible to critic. But thanx, maybe in a couple of days i will post some.>>8008365I can only work with whats there, right?
>>8008282I really wouldn't ask here for critique unless you enjoy getting insulted. This general is complete dogshit thanks to a few loud retards
It's been a while since I did ceramics. I don't have a kiln, but I will brush the outside with dilute PVA and plant a small kalanchoe in it. When it crumbles and roots go through it, it is ok.
>>8008365>>8008196you guys were right, i added a few more washes and it's starting to look better
>>8008725Very nice
>>8008725Pretty
Why does my dust free eraser produces dust?
>>8008668Hey I do pottery too. Have you gone and dug up any free clay yourself? You should, especially if you're just figuring things out. God collect 10 kg of clay and turn it all into little cups and pots, it's similar logic to sketching a few pages every day to get over the "every drawing is precious" mentality. Plus there are technique lessons you can only learn by messing around with clay for 10+ hours cumulative.
>>8008093All the stores near me suddenly started selling "grilling fuel" in opaque bottles. I'm pretty sure it's just bioethanol, but there's probably some gay EU regulation that prevents companies from documenting their products so that they won't be "misused." It's gay as fucking shit, I actually need to know what the solvents in my house are.
Is there a pencil that is intentionally extremely fugitive? I hate the way pencil looks in a watercolor painting, and getting the least amount of it in the final piece takes up most of the time and causes most of the mistakes in my process, so it would be great if I didn't have to worry about it while drawing and the pencil lines would just fuck off a couple days after the piece is done.
>>8010196You want a pencil which isn't visible anymore when coloring with watercolor?You could use Faber-Castell watercolor pencils and use the Warm Grey II they have in it as a drawing pencil. It's color basically becomes invisible when you put water over it.
>>8010206
>>8010222
>>8010196>Is there a pencil that is intentionally extremely fugitive?If i'm not 100% wrong, there was a blue pen that you could erase with light afterwards. I think i saw a video.Graphite is permanent. You can use a hard one, or as anon above me said, you can use a watercolor pencil.
>>8010202That could work, thanks.What I want is a pencil that is completely temporary regardless of how much work I do on top of it. I want to see it while painting, and remove it after I'm done.For example for indicating skin folds. They should glow with sub-surface scattering. Any amount of regular pencil is too permanent, but I need to have the sketch available to get the details right.Realistically I'm just going to do what everyone else does and use colored inks or pencils to get lines that look less garbage when painted over.>>8010227If you remember anything that can help me find that, please share.
>>8010196you're not gonna like it, but the real answer is to transfer the drawing and not outline everything like an autist, you don't need nor want a line in areas that don't have value changes that would cover the pencil anywayyour entire premise is retarded too, to expose the pencil to enough light to kill it would mean exposing the paint first, and tints are what fades first, so the pencil you want gone is the one under the least lightfast parts of the paintinga grey watercolor pencil is an extremely retarded idea too, for the same reason, the lines you want gone are the ones where the paint is most sensitive to contamination because it has the least pigmentthat's on top of watercolor pencils being shit in general and soaking up water and you more likely than not putting down too many lines in the first place if you're incapable of just omitting the lights
>>8010239>I want to see it while painting, and remove it after I'm doneYou also could use a light table and put a sketch under the watercolor paper. Has to be a strong light table tho since watercolor paper tends to be rather thick.
>>8010259you're not gonna be able to paint worth shit on a light tableholy fuck you niggers are retarded
>>8010239Or a projector. That probably could work too.
>>8010263Well you could always draw the lines with the colors you want to use and then turn the light off again and color it. Then turn it on and again work your way through the painting like this.The problem would just be the paper waves, but you could totally tape the paper on the light table too so it wouldn't make much of a difference if it's taped on wood or a light table.
I'm making progress in this portrait, the proportions look not too bad since I started putting down some paint. Oil is very forgiving thankfully
>>8010257>>8010259Obviously I do sketch and comp on a different paper. The transfer is what's error prone and the fact that I can't have the entirety of the sketch loses a lot of information.When I look at other people's watercolors they either leave the pencil in or ink the drawing and erase the pencil and paint over that. At least I know that I'm not the only one who thinks that pencil lines in watercolor look like ass.>>8010264Grid and compass is what I'm having the most success with. Lights with watercolors seems like a bad idea if they imply any amount of heat.I've used a light table, tracing paper, and perforated holes.>>8010266I'll try stretching on a piece of acrylic in the near future and report back.
>>8007499what tool combination do you guys recommend for inking and watercolor/other transparent coloring?ideally it would all be cheap and work on all sorts of shitty paper
>>8010277No ink nor color works on shitty paper
>>8010275crazy good. I still don't comprehend skin colors.
>>8010277When it comes to watercolor painting, paper is your main priority. You can use a student grade paint or some cheap synthetic brush all you want but when it comes to paper, always use a 100% cotton 300 gsm watercolor paper no matter what
>>8010344Neither can I anon, I'm giving it very little hue variation at the moment
>>8010360Reddit meme, cellulose works fine, especially for "coloring", I've seen some pros use synthetic paper too. Cotton is for wet into wet and direct painting, you can glaze on cellulose without issue. Brushes are in fact way more important, synthetics are trash. I'd take a good brush and paint with store brand cellulose watercolor paper over Arches with shitty brushes and paint.
>>8010360Based.>>8010453Cringe.
>>8010360I use cellulose paper a lot for quick studies and warmups where I don't plan on taking it very far, eg >>8008365 is cellulose paperI don't really see what's stopping me from making a finished painting on it, the only thing I've noticed is that I can't get very soft edges so I tend to be more aggressive on it and it ends up being more fun to paint onThere's literally zero reason not to use cellulose paper if all you want is flat color over an ink drawing
>>8010360I'll add to the pile-on and point out that if you want to ink with dip pens you'll want your paper to be on the smoother side anyways. Ink and watercolor is basically faux digital, so a lot of conventional watercolor advice isn't very relevant.
>>8010788>Ink and watercolor is basically faux digital, so a lot of conventional watercolor advice isn't very relevant.What?
I know you niggas may despise me by now but any tips for composition and color choices? Idea behind the painting:3 anime girls in a forest surrounded by a circle of trees. Scary cool wolf in middle legendary looking. Color scheme of old paintings with some shit happening in the back to give it depth. Also added a large snake like creature in the back since I'm painting so many princesses that my family may start to think I'm a homosexual or a pedo/pervert. But yeah that aside any tips bros it's looking kinda flat and the trees are all over the place and I have no idea how to draw appealing vegetation around them or an interesting physical nature environment. And how should the colors recede etc. this is a bit of a comedic relief painting not meant to be le deep or extra beautiful just anime girls chilling and a wolf cause why the Fuck Not. I had that vision at night , kek.
>>8010863Your style is so weird I don't think we can help. Just experiment and do yolo shit u til it looks good/acceptable.
>>8010863Boy you are retarded and annoying. But you are painting regularly, which is good.So some free advice. Take back the scale, you are way over your head. Paint one girl, or even just a portraiture first.Do what you like, not what you think people will buy. It's one of the seldom boomer truisms that are actually true. You will not trick the system. Just paint what you like, do it for a while, and you will probably catch some comissions.
>>8010997Hmm it's not about the ego thing or what sells. I'm an "inspiration is king" type nigga. So all my latest paintings have been images I've had during the day which seem to carry meaning in some way at some level, and then I go ahead and paint it. It's not for money or for taking on difficult things or whatever in fact I hate painting trees and bushes and rocks I can't be aeses that shit is boring as fuck kek. I'm painting what I like basically.
>>8011015>I'm painting what I like basically.That's good. I saw too many fail who didn't.Maybe try to find things you like but are smaller in scale.Your subject is way too complicated for your skill level, you will have difficulties progressing at such pace.
>>8011019Hmm yeah maybe can do at smaller dimensions this ones 1x1 meter kinda time consuming just to fill in the color
>>8010788>I'll add to the pile-on and point out that if you want to ink with dip pens you'll want your paper to be on the smoother side anyways.Good advice. Using pen in cold press (let alone rough) is going to ruin your nib over time, especially if you use baohong paper/block that for some reason are so fucking rough and tooth-y in surface compared to other brands. Hot press is what you want when it comes to ink and wash, if you insist of using cold press then its better to stretch the paper first to loosen the surface a little bit
>>8011582although baohong is single-sided, so you can always just use the backside for inkalso, hot press imo acts a lot like cellulose, not sure it's worth the extra cost
It's the big problem with line and wash. You have paper that is suited for lines or for wash. Never for both.If you use alcohol markers on bristol you see hot it supposed to work. I like watercolor a lot more than copics, it's cheaper, not fugative, more versatile, better mixing, better textures. But you can't produce crisp manga lines on watercolor paper.That's the problem i face right now with my manga. Watercolor or markers. I would like to use watercolor, but i thing i will have to by alcohol markers.
I’m planning on some oil sketches on paper. What weight of paper do I use to prime with shellac so it doesn’t buckle and warp?
>>8011606You don't have a manga and never will, Pablo.
>>8011612Oil paint does not make paper buckle>>8011615Jelly, crab?
>>8011617YWNBAJ
Portrait I just finished and cast >>8010275GCA?
>>8011617Shellac primes it to prevent the oils from degrading the paper. I know that even with 190 proof ethanol, there is a risk of the paper buckling when I prime it. That’s my concern.
>>8011638Bronze?
>>8011646I got that, i meant, just paint it raw. Otherwise any primer will buckle the paper, tried it many times. Only solution is good quality, thick watercolor paper, but that stuff is expensive.
>>8011650I ask as I know it is possible. Frederic Church did oil sketches on paper, but paper weight/thickness wasnt standardized at the time.
>>8011612Shellac is total overkill and nonsense for paper. You want to get a heavy-weight paper for oils though, generally a hot press watercolor paper is fine, better if it has a high cotton %. Get Golden gac 400 to seal the paper, then do a layer of gesso over that and voila, you can now paint in oils. If you don't care about the oil fucking up the paper over time you don't even need to seal it. Alternatively just get a pad of oil painting paper. I doubt you even paint though.
>>8011656'scuse me, I meant Golden GAC 100. I always confuse the numbers.
>>8011612>>8011646afaik, they used to prime paper and board with shellac or rabbit skin glue on both sides to prevent warping
>>8011652why do you keep namedropping church in your nopaint larp posts?
>>8011652It literally took me 2 minutes to find the surfaces he used, kill yourself, faggot.
>>8011690>academy Board>heavy paperboardMeaningless label. I need specifics. >>8011681I assumed that most people don’t know about shellac priming paper. >>8011656Thanks, man.
>retard doesn't know how to google more than onceholy fuck I hate this thread
>>8011698Actual subhuman.
>>8010275Are you the guy that posted the hound wip a while ago?
>>8011582>>8011586I think hot press is also good for expressive portrait and not hyper realism. I'm talking about watercolor portrait with blotches and on paper color mixing like laovaan and agnes cecile works
>>8007499does anyone have any good books to recommend as far as watercolor goes? something more about the actual techniques involved using watercolor, not necessarily on color and light but im open to all suggestions, thanks guys
Guys im stuck in a dilemma.I need paper that is smooth for dip nib lining and thick enough to take 2-3 layers of watercolor. If it’s transparent enough for the light table even better.Alternatively i could use alcohol markers. Found a set thats only 35€ for 40-60, which sounds good first. But the ferills would cost at least 200€. For that money i could buy myself premium water colors. The worst thing is how fugitive the copics are, in the sun the art can be gone in a couple of months already. And even with no light exposure the dys break down.Maybe i could to the lines on bristol, scan it, print it with a waterproof ink on water colors paper and color it then?
>>8012496Bristol should be able to take 2-3 layers of watercolor if it's not very wet. Or you could switch to inking with brush on hotpress. Besides that, most art stores carry sample packs of various kinds of paper, your best option would be buying them and seeing what works for you best.
>>8012464"everything you ever wanted to know about watercolor" is a huge book by a bunch of people, you can further look up their books if one catches your attention
>>8012501>Bristol should be able to take 2-3 layers of watercolor if it's not very wet.I'm not sure about that. There is no special Bristol paper that is meant to go with water colors, innit?I tried to draw on Arches Grain Satine Hot Pressed 300g (the smoothest Arches as far as i know) with a g-pen and schminke india ink. It was okeyish, but lines are not as crisp, they bleed a tiny bit and the paper feels quite rough. I think it will wear the nib out quite quick.But i love how it works with water color.
this thread convinced me to try hot press watercolor paper
I swear this is just one faggot
>>8012602I don’t know what you want. Bristol is not great for watercolour, and watercolour paper is not great for pen nibs. Try a brush (pen) or something if you’re dead set on doing a piece in both watercolour and inks.
>>8012667>Bristol is not great for watercolour, and watercolour paper is not great for pen nibs.Thats the problem.>Try a brush (pen)I'm not good at brush lining. And it works best on Bristol paper as well.I guess i will have to go with alcohol markers then.
>>8012671That’s a skill issue, you can definitely get smooth ink lines on hot press paper. You come off as overly anal btw.
>>8012677>That’s a skill issue, you can definitely get smooth ink lines on hot press paper.Such a bold claim, would one say something like that if he could not underpin it with work he has done?
>>8012745you're right, nobody uses hot press with nibs, he's trying to crab you, keep doing what you're doing
>>8012773You can. But while drawing manga inking is one of the main parts. If you loose this nice, crisp tactical feeling you get from g-pen on Bristle, over the course of several pages it adds up. But i am very sensitive to the "feel" it's hard for me to push through if it feels wrong.You are complaining about inking on Arches, but not about painting on Bristol paper. I assume you know water color on such paper is not ideal, but i have no experience with dip nib inking.If i had to choose, i would rather ink and paint on Bristol paper, it's less annoying.
>>8012845pyw I wanna laugh
>>8012853>pyw I wanna laughHmm, I can't help you with that, my manga is not a comedy.
>>8012859*corporeal
>>8012745>hurrrrdurrrrrhttps://youtu.be/gDUfe4QfnGcPlease stop shitting up this thread with your gay questions. You're that german 'postmodernist' fag who keeps ruining trad threads.
>>8012873At 32:45 he tries to use a dip nib for drawing, he struggles all the time, the nib is skipping. The only way to get proper lines is by moving straight down.Everything esli is done with fountain pens, which are not suited for manga. With the other dip nib he is only making splashes cos it bites the paper all the time.You posted a video that proofs my point.You showed time after time, that you are not on the same level, to discuss art and art materials with me. You try to compensate your lack of knowledge with aggression, but we are not in your favela, it fails.So fuck off and let the adults talk about stuff.
>>8012548thanks!!
any advice for rendering with pencil?i need to do a page of heads from imagination and render them. i've been working digital recently but thought i'd tried to do it traditionally this week but i'm struggling
>>8013362you don't know how to render digitally or even understand values and planes of the head (hell, you don't even understand the proportions of the head), why are you asking about pencil like that's your problem? you'll be lucky if you can render heads without a ref 6 months from now to any degree of satisfaction, learn the basics
Trying to use AI for painting questions made me realize how godawful the art education material available is. I used AI to get me through all sorts of gardening issues, cooking questions, even a couple of accounting issues and it genuinely cut the research time down to a fraction of what I'd spend googling and sifting through the results for well documented subjects of research. The second I ask anything about painting, it shits the bed, either it regurgitates some retard on reddit parroting some boomer truism or it straight up hallucinates some nonsense so retarded it puts me at risk of an aneurysm.Ironically, I now believe AI will make it harder to learn to paint for future aspiring painters because they won't be able to tell they're getting crabbed by a chatbot since they'll be shaped by an environment in which they're used to getting actually useful information from AI in everyday life, leaving them unprepared for this cesspool of a field.
>>8013511You may need to reframe the question, like "give me an academic answer" or "be as technical as possible"
>>8013511gooooddd morning saaaaarrr!!!
>>8013512I've tried all variations I could think of on subjects I'm 100% I know the answer to, it makes no difference. That's not even the critical part, I can pretty much make it say anything I want by invoking any tangentially related factoid and drawing a conclusion, I think there's so much conflicting information, revisionism, theorycrafting retards and general dabblers parroting misunderstood concepts online that it can't even construct an idea of reality as far as painting goes, whatever nonsense I input finds purchase somewhere in the dataset. Like if you have any sort of preconception or idea, it just runs with it. This is in stark contrast to my accounting queries, where it just flat out shut down all my challenges and doubts and stuck to its guns.Mind, these are technical and material questions with a specific correct answer, not anything open ended.
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>>8013530>rules for thee but not for mepyw textposter
>>8013532I post my work in these threads all the time. Here are some old life drawings. Now shut the fuck up and post some work.
>>8013534nobody wants to look at that
Imagine posting your art for free.
>>8013538Okay
>>8013546There is no way to sell art anymore. Every site is dead and just drowned with shit and piss.
>>8013550I sell my art on markets to tourists.It's not glamorous but at least it pays bills.
23 was a mistake
>>8013550>There is no way to sell artWell, not for you.
>>8013554he could buy brian's and sell it
>>8011714Don’t you talk to me like that
>>8013580It's the favela guy. His slop machine is feeding him shit all they, he thinks he knows stuff, tries to argue in the thread and finds out quick, he knows nothing. Makes him mad as fuck.Many such cases, actually.
>all theybrown hands typed that post
>>8013588Should have asked gemini to check the spelling, but i prefer to not giving a fuck
>tacitly admits he's a brownoid
>>8013601I called you favela before, you can't just throw the same back at me, you child.
>I accused you of what I'm guilty of, you can't point out the obvious!post eyes, brownoid
>>8013609>post eyes
>so brown he thinks those are white eyeskek, jews are like asians to brownoids
>>8013585I haven’t been following the board’s social phenomena
>>8013631Chud, chatgpt does not agree.>Yes, in the United States, Sam Altman is considered White.>Specifically, he was raised in a Jewish-American family of Ashkenazi (Eastern European) descent. >According to the standard racial classifications used by the U.S. Census Bureau and federal government agencies, individuals with ethnic origins tracing back to Europe—including Ashkenazi Jewish individuals—are categorized racially as White.
>le 56% face>whitewe get it, you're brownstop posting
>>8013640Now ask it if he's smart and handsome.
>>8008365>>8008725>>8008282My brothers in aqua, I request guidance. 1. Can anybody vouch for the lift-ability of either da Vinci or Utrecht paints? Currently using Qor, and they are highly staining. To the point where I get anxiety (like the bitch I am) of making a mistake. Keep in mind, I prefer realism/naturalism, so going with the flow when the flow ruins your hours planned draft kinda kills my mojo.2. Any suggestions for exercises so I don't make mistakes?Pic unrelated. Just a 20min exercise
>>8014560I've never seen either brand in Europe, but I don't remember Qor being notably staining compared to the same pigments in most brands. Not sure how it would work with Qor because of the binder, but people prime the paper with gum arabic or chinese/titanium white to stop the pigment from getting into the paper and making it easier to lift. Paper can make a massive difference in how staining/liftable paint is based on sizing, fiber length and other stuff, might wanna start there rather than buying paint, Qor is an extremely good brand, M. Graham too, I'd never buy anything else if I were a burger (although Da Vinci seems to have really nice earths). If you're using Arches, it doesn't like lifting very much, you can look up lifting tests to see what paper to try. >2lol
>>8014698Thank you for the advice! Changing papers did cross my mind, but I've done tests on my usual choices with Qor and Holbien, and the difference in lifting is immense. I'll try different papers, but I'm not expecting much.Now the use of oxgall/titanium white is new to me. I'll give that a go. By chance, do you know WHY that works? Curious if I have to use a Qor Chinese/tit. White cuz of the binder.(And before anybody asks)I would continue using Holbein, but they are opaque about their in house light fastness tests, and I am trying to sell my paintings. Qor, da Vinci, and Utrecht use some form of ASTM rating, hence my preference for em.>lol:) Let me put it a different way: Do you have suggestions for watercolor exercises to practice control over the pigment/water/flow?
>>8014855>oxgallGum arabic, not oxgall. I have no idea what would happen if you smeared oxgall all over the paper and painted on it, but I doubt it'd make the paint more controllable.>whyIt's literally a layer between the paper and pigment, it lessens the amount of pigment the paper sucks down as it dries, just like paint layers make subsequent layers easier to lift.>exercisesThere are some, but imo there are so many variables they're kinda pointless. EG painting value scales to get a feel for consistency, painting a graduated wash, flipping it and painting another one so that they cancel each other perfectly, painting into and out of paint for gradations, judging wetness for sgraffito and wet into wet by sheen, drybrushing etc. My problem with it is that just changing the brush or pigment invalidates half the exercises, the paper being blank or having paint built up changes how the paint behaves etc. Might as well just paint, it's a fast medium and frankly 99% of people will have bigger problems than controlling paint.>lightfastness2bh if you're asking for exercises, might as well use up the cheaper paint, plus Qor is somewhat of a beast of its own, by far the least controllable watercolor.
Has someone tried making alcohol marker ink?Kremer sells dyes like solvent blue and red. Not that expensive. But i can't find a proper recipe. You need some kind of binder but i don't know what and how much of it.
>>8015140Have you tried asking Kremer staff themselves? Worst they can say is idk. You can also check safety data sheets for chemical make up of existing alcohol inks.Worst case scenario, just buy ohuhu/copic refills/markers.>>8015905Drawn yourself a Greek chad, i see
>>8015100>oxgall>whyI iz stuped. Plz forgeb>exercisesGood point. Its just better to paint. Im probably over thinking things.Well, I've ordered several new chems and paints even some Saunders paper to play with. Until shipping arrives, I've played with some chems I do have on hand.Pic related and if you can read my chicken scratch, self explanatory.Note: paper is actually Fan. Studio. Not artistico.My fav is the acrylic matte medium as a ground. Qor became even looser, but with practice I think it can be manageable. Also the lift is incredible.
>>8015932Haha it was actually just some dude I saw in Canes. I like your perspective better though
Drew this because I'm sad and depressed. Peace
>>8010223>>8010222bro still learning his ABC's and already drawing better than half of /ic/
>check in on the thread after weeks>I-IT'S THE FAVALA ANON!!! THE FAVALA ANON IS SHITTING OUR THREADS UP WITH ADVICE!!!!>HE ALWAYS DOES THIS!!!!!!!!1!! THIS IS THE THIRD THREAD HE HAS RUINED IN A ROW NOWyou fucking demented retards, i haven't even been here for a week, i have been off grid doing plein air studies, and ever since i got back to the city and have internet access for the last day i have had the most unbelievable hemherroids, i thought it was a joke condition and ignored it for a decade now it's unbelievablei can't even sleep it feels so fucking bad. it feels like i am the front part of a human centipede but the person behind me has no mouthmeanwhile there are literal schizos in this general screaming about how anyone who posts any advice is me, and how i'm trying to destroy /trad/ foreverget mental help
>>8016187wait, "favela guy" is a real person? I thought it was some amalgamation of people this >>8007743 schizo has been arguing with for the past two threads
>>8016187protip: it's the rough anal sex
>>8016187>ignored it for a decadeYou ignored bleeding out of your ass for 10 years?
>>8016470no, i had on and off for years but never remotely this bad>>8016468its from being assraped by anons here and accuse of being nodraw every thread
>>8015950We just taught zoomers how to read wrong as a joke
Just started learning calligraphy but I've always really liked watercolor painting. I made this tonight and think it looks pretty. If I make any more pretty drawings or characters I'll post them here. I haven't seen any calligraphy on 4chan anywhere
>>8016767Looks like you've taken inspiration from some of the more minimalist Chinese ink paintings.
>>8016786>>8016786I love Asian minimalism. I make some pieces later this week on my woods. I want to make a cute picture of some apple tree leaves, and one of the cliffs on the back end of the property
>>8015950i'm 26 years old :3what made you think i was still a child?if it is for my "cute and round" artstyle this just an preference for it.
>>8017114(me)ah no wait it is because of the up right corner's abc? i was just testing the micron's pens i had lel
>>8017114It looks like a tumblr user's homestuck fan comic. So, you know, a 12 year old.
>>8017152>homestuck fans are 12 nowtime really flies
>>8015933Picrel is Qor transparent brown oxide, which is fairly heavily staining, on Baohong student grade cold and hot press cotton paper, plus Naples yellow, which is the only Qor tube I have that doesn't say it's staining. Mind, I don't think these papers are spectacular at lifting or anything, but I lift more paint than the right side of your pic on accident.That said, if you want a nice smooth realistic look, you probably want highly staining paint that dries hard and as little lifting as possible, anything past 3 layers on liftable paper and paint is playing Russian roulette with the paint reactivating, lifting and mixing into mud
>>8017152well it is a art about someone's fantroll so you got something right.i'm gonna work more in my art becoming more well detailed and putting more defined and realistic proportions. so it looks more my "age" then. I don't mind my art looking childish but i want to push my skills to the max.
I really don't like this tree in the middle that's hanging off the cliff. The lines are too thick, it should've been more spindly and thin branched I think. I also don't like the pink around it. If it had more clearly defined and thin branches, the pink would know where it's supposed to go
>>8017460it looks salvagable. just apply more layers and paint the branches with darker and darker tones of black. so you can made a pretfy silhouette of the trees in a cliffhanger per example
>>8017423Thanks for taking the time to demonstrate!So yeah, my paper just sucks, or I washed out the sizing while stretching.I'll pick up some Baohong. I understand the dangers of having paint that's too easy to lift, but muddied colors are replaceable if they can be lifted. Currently practicing gouache, and despite having that exact issue, it might become my fav medium. It works well with what I've been trained to do: start rough n quick, then refine.Just wish I could have the benefits of transparency and opacity at the same time. On the topic of Qor, how do you feel about it compared to other watercolors? It was actually my first professional line, and honestly I feel the flow being intense is a bit overblown. The colors are amazing though, and I appreciate Golden's thorough tech info.
Very ugly, no wú dé
>>8017575Nobody read this, I accidentally wrote left to right. I'm a laowai poser and I should kms
>>8017576Doubt many of us could have read it correctly anyways. Kek
The only decent character all night. Time to go to bed
Xiū liàn or in english cultivation or refinement
And this is a turtle. I was thinking about a huge snapping turtle I caught once. This is what I think he would be doing right now
assorted watercolors painted from life
Anon, i‘m looking for something wich a similar level of rendering like an academic drawing but done entirely with a quill? Something like the Bargue plates but without any soft materials.
>>8017530I like them, the paint itself might be the one I like the best out of all of them, I'm not that crazy about a pyrrole red costing over 2 euros per ml, though, so I don't use them for 99% of my painting. They definitely move, but it's not uncontrollable or anything and really only comes up with wet into wet, which is presumably when you want them to move. The issue is more when you try to use them with normal paint, then every Qor turns hyper aggressive like indanthrone.Every other paint save for M. Graham feels low pigmented to me in comparison, but it's not necessarily a bad thing. I absolutely hate W&N and feel it's overpriced, low pigmented crap that rewets as well as a rock, but I've heard people liking them for those exact qualities for heavy glazing.Qor also doesn't bronze from what I've seen, so you can really build up paint, which I think is great.
>>8017576There are some amazing Chinese books on their traditional painting, calligraphy and brushwork on archive.org, some are old as fuck. Look for the ones credited with Chinese writers and translators
Ive often been told by art teachers I know how to draw/paint but not how to 'see' properly (meaning when I paint using model/mirror I paint what I think is there instead of whats there). But then they dont elaborate further because they probably dont really know how to escape it either. So how do you see whats actually there instead of what I think something looks like.
>>8017762Dorian Iten's guide to accuracy. Follow religiously, do 10 block-ins a day, first on 2D images then for still lifes IRL. Repeat until you can copy by eye
>>8017762Bargue drawing course or Dorian like the other anon said.Some of the exercises in Keys to Drawing and Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain are good for accuracy/observational skill too.
>>8017762I'd ask myself whether I care>but muh academics but-you're not an academic or the academy would have taught you thiswe don't live in the 19th century, there's no body of authority to enforce academic principles and nobody to reward us for adhering to themmichelangelo straight up invented anatomy to the point of leonardo seething at him, do you think the pope gave a shit?
>>8017784I do care about being specific with portraits.
>>8017796that's a valid point if you intend to be a portrait painter, it isn't if you're just painting portraits as a matter of coursework/practicewhich is not to say you personally don't have a need for accuracy, I'm just saying "teachers" just throw out these truisms without regard for the actual student and you should ask yourself whether the advice of someone with a vested interest in keeping you "improving" for as long as possible has any real bearing on what you're trying to do before committing to it
>>8017805I do. Instead they say it doesnt matter if theres a resemblance as long as its a good painting. I get it but its kinda annoying.
>>8013518because why would anyone tell someone else they are doing art wrong? there is no "wrong" way to do art.
>>8015949one leg?
>>8017753Has Qor always been expensive in Europe? Are tariffs affecting paints? I know it's a premium brand but I've always bought mine from Blick (a US online retailer that sells art supplies constantly at notable discounts). They have shipping restrictions, but I know Jackson's art supplies does the same but is based in the yookay. You might be able to get your burger paints cheaper from em, assuming brexit doesnt affect the shipping. And now that you've brought up M.Graham, does anyone find it a bit humorous that american watercolor brands are consistently rated the best? The country known for apathy if not derision for high/classical art. As for W&N, I have only tried their cotman watercolors and designers gouache. Cotman's are fine for student paints. Their high end designer gouaches leave a bit to be desired compared to Holbien.(Also W for frogs. Brits have their paint made by their sworn enemies. Kek)
Valuebros... it's over...
>>8017996Of course, it's not enough, Paul is right.
>>8017959If you're buying from the US, you're paying for the items, international shipping, customs duty, VAT on base cost+shipping+duty, and then you're getting jewed for handling (basically paying shipping again on top). That's irrespective of any tariff btw.Basically you're looking at 50%-75% more than what an American pays for, depending on what you're buying. It goes both ways, though, a tube of Old Holland oil that's 101 euros here is 161 dollars on Blick right now, and in Japan a 60ml tube of Holbein watercolor is like 9 euros. Even Roman Szmal, which is made in Poland, is twice more expensive on Jackson's than what I can order locally, and it's marginally cheaper in Poland.>CotmanLiterally the worst paint I have ever touched, and I can get White Nights and Rosa for less money, which are genuinely 90% as good as top European brands, and I'd argue straight up better than W&N professional (I've gotten some pre-2018 White Nights stock and the new ones are much improved).>does anyone find it a bit humorous that american watercolor brands are consistently rated the best? The country known for apathy if not derision for high/classical artWatercolors aren't really seen as high art from what I can tell, and I get the impression Americans have a higher respect for the medium than Europeans, even if I find the American examples of great watercolorists questionable. That said, while Qor and MG are in a class of their own, Daniel Smith is a total meme and I can't comprehend buying it over the other two or even over most European brands.
>>8018011>shippingI'm just surprised imported paint could be so expensive even after all the bureaucratic money grabbing. Especially with EU and US ties having been strong. I'm even more surprised that there's much price difference between EU countries. Thought the EUs primary purpose was to facilitate trade between its members. My burger naivety at play.>white nightsHeard mention of em rarely, but never in a good light.>watercolor perceptionsAgain my cowboy is showing, but why wouldn't Europeans view watercolor as high art? What IS a respectable paint medium to a European then? Curious not arguing against your statement>DS is a memeNow that I understand. Bought one tube from em and hated it. It was objectively a shit paint, watercolor or not. I'll try White Nights on your recommendation. You clearly have two eyes and a brain.
>>8018083White Nights has two issues, being Russian and having previously been pretty crap. I got two pans from iirc 2018 and it was really bad, if they weren't dated and I hadn't used them previously, I'd have written them off. They also got widely panned in favor of Rosa, which is basically the same thing but made in Ukraine (Jackson's stopped selling WN and replaced them with Rosa, for example, and I've seen people on youtube walking on eggshells when discussing them, going out of their way to preemptively show they buy Rosa too, etc).Although I'm not strictly speaking recommending them so much as saying WN/R tubes cost like 4 euros for 10ml and don't seem to behave or look any different than my Holbein or Schmincke Horadam, so why would I ever buy Cotman?>why wouldn't Europeans view watercolor as high artI'm not much of an art history guy, but I assume it's the historical impermanence. If you look at watercolor books, even in the early 2000s artists were telling you to use alizarin crimson and genuine rose madder, a light wash of which will fade stupidly fast. I've read Turner started using oils specifically to be taken more seriously as a painter. I think everyone using (shitty) watercolor and tempera in elementary school art class also cheapens the image, plus the low entry barrier makes it the medium with an overwhelming hobbyist presentation. Compare the average oil vs watercolor youtube channel or the average painting book, for watercolor it's 80% middle aged women fucking around graphically painting the same flowers over and over.I do think England is an exception and it enjoys a higher appreciation there.
>>8018166>issues, being RussianBack to plebbit.
>>8018185Not even sure what you're trying to say, but people badmouthing them purely because of where they're made is a fact, same as everything out of China being bad on principle. If it's coming from someone who tried them a decade ago or has an emotional reaction to a foreign war, the opinion probably has no bearing on anything.
>>8018011>>8018083>DS is a memeWhat's this about? The only issue I've ever had is them not drying on the palette.
>>8018228https://youtube.com/shorts/cBHMWNRkP8snot them, but I've seen multiple tests showing they're full of fillerthere was also that mineralogist calling bullshit on their primatek line and having it analyzed and showing it's just phthalos with single digit percent mineral content, to which the company officially replied that there are rocks in it and they never said it's not mostly phthalos so eat shit
>>8018166>>8018196>being Russian, and crap.As a burger, I'm not sure what being Russian has to do with quality necessarily. I get that Russian made products might have the reputation of Chinese goods here in the US, but this is a generalization. Now, I assume you (8018166) are Eastern Euro given you know about the price of paints in Poland and care about Russia. Not gonna belittle you for it. Probably have good reasons, i just don't share the same aversion emotionally. Thank you for clarifying you weren't exactly recommending WN/Rosa so much as saying they are a better spend than cotman. Still might buy em when (if) I have excess money again.>high artI agreed with everything until you said watercolor has a low barrier. I've taken college courses on acrylic and watercolor, and my experince says the opposite. The only thing cheaper about watercolor over acrylic is the price of paint, and that is more so for how long a watercolor paint can last. Brushes? You need snappy bristles that distribute water evenly. How? Hair from a Siberian mussel no Normies heard before, and cost a fortune. Paper? Can't just use bristol paper. Gotta get specialized 100% cotton rag for good results. Oh, and unlike acrylic, you can't reuse a surface because watercolor is transparent.>80% middle aged womenFuck. You're right. This perception better not fuck me over in selling my paintings. >>8018228>>8018262To be fair, I've only ever tried one DS black before, but I was drastically disappointed with it. Granulation was ridiculous. I know this specific black was granulating, but it was obtuse, refusing to evenly spread. Maybe I got a bad tube. I did order 4 more. Ill give em a more in depth review, but reluctantly. Haven't heard of these debacles. I just know there are many people on wet canvas, plebbit, and handprint vouch for em.
>>8018228They're just low pigmented and sometimes noticeably adulterated, can't say I've noticed them not dry.>>8018354>you know about the price of paints in Poland and care about RussiaI don't care about Russia, I'm saying people care about Russia and project that onto the paint. Knowing the cost is a matter of typing it into google to see if it pays off to order from Poland, same reason I know what stuff costs on Jackson's and Artemiranda, it's not rocket science, the postman brings it to me.>barrierIt absolutely has a low barrier and you don't need any of that, off the top of my head, Burt Silverman painted on bristol with squrrel mops, most large scale painters use goat and squirrel hair and pretty much all asian watercolorists paint with cheap Chinese brushes made with goat hair or whatever mystery hair's in them. I've seen pros use calf ear hair. You can buy a roll of Baohong for under 30 euros from Temu/Ali and you can just flip the paper or prime it if for some reason you absolutely have to reuse a piece of paper. I use a pointy black squirrel the size of a Da Vinci Maestro #12 that cost me 17.5 euros, the only thing my Maestros have over it is being easier to load with thicker paint because they hold less water. 90% of hobbyists use synthetic brushes.All of which is irrelevant because the crux of the matter is that watercolor is effectively a little plastic box and a jar of water that you can just open to paint and put away when you're done at a moment's notice as opposed to needing a dedicated space for your greasy crap, your week old drying canvases etc. You have 15 minutes, water and a table? You can paint for 14 minutes and when you're done you have no excess material, no mess, no cleanup. People literally walk around town with all their painting material, paint on the spot and move on to the next spot, it's so accessible they have conventions for it.There's a reason hobbyists flock to watercolor and it's not because it has a high entry barrier
what can you advice me to pick up ink wash and water color art? i have a small set of 4 dirt cheap synthetic horse hair brushes, very small, good for small fine lining, a bunch of pens, a fountain pen, some ink. I got some brown ink, Rohrer&Klingner Sketchink (Thea), plan on getting another one of their brown inks later (I think it was called Lily?) and Platinum carbon black ink.Going forward should I get a dip pen? I want to recreate this style specifically. Also, I heard Stylus pens were commonly used by draughtsmen and artists at the Baroque and Renaissance periods, but I can't find any for a good price on most websites. I found some silverpoint Stylus for a stupid price. The word "Stylus" is just completely coopted by the modern instrument used on touch screens.I'm also not quiet familiar with ideal papers used for these. I have some strathmore pads lying around, watercolor 150gsm paper is apparently quite cheap, and I also have several other cheap sketchpads but I don't think they're watercolor friendly. I want to be as budget as possible going forward.
>>8017932It would have been too cluttered for what I was trying to do so I imagined that its blocked by the chair.
>>8018446you'd see the shadow
>>8018460So it seems
>>8018420>Use earth colors/earth tones>avoid buying 12 pans starter set from any brand >get yourself empty watercolor case and pans of your choice, 4-6 pans are enough. >In doubt get yourself one single watercolor pan and paint a monochrome works firstOptional:>buy a single large sheet of watercolor paper (around $5), cut them to smaller pieces, and try to work on them to see if you like the medium before investing more on this thing
>>8018420Cannot speak on ink or pens.As someone who's spent time on watercolors though, your paper should definitely be heavier than 150gsm. 300 should be the minimum for washes. Could try bristol, but that didnt work out for me. You might need to learn to stretch paper too if buckling is an issue. Oh, and get hot press as those have the least/no texture so the dip pens can run smoothly.If you are american your best options are hobby lobbys papers when on sale, and blick. Walmart does carry dirt cheap watercolor paper pads, but I recall those being cold press.>>8018388>RussiaSorry. Jumped the gun and assumed you wouldn't spend the time to look up the price of paint in an unrelated country. I understand your point abt perception and never intended to argue otherwise. Country of origin doesn't matter much to me is all I was saying.>barrierYou bring up good points. I equated entry as serious hobby rather than something a normie could cheaply do for fun.
>>8018420Keep in mind that in this particular drawing, you can see the artist went over it with white paint (and grey to some extent), probably gouache, notable in the dress of the lady in the bottom left. So my guess it's done on tinted paper for starters.
>>8018506>>8018518>>8018605thanks, yeah that is brown paper, is GSM 300 cardstock like this good for this purpose? it's the cheapest i can find, but cardstock is quite hard from what i know.also are you sure that's white gouche? looks suspiciously like white lead to me.
>>8018653nta but watercolour is a transparent medium my man. The colour of your surface is going to matter a whole lot. I also doubt that cardstock works with it, it's not very absorbent. Sounds like gouache would be a better fit for you or maybe even acrylic gouache.
>>8018420This painting was most likely done with a natural quill, walnut ink for lines and the washes and white egg tempera for the white highlights.Your material need to work together. Quill, viscosity of the ink, the paper... if you use random stuff, it can bleed, or skip, or break the paper or whatever. You can find an artist you like and buy exactly what he is using, or you will have to experement.
>>8018660>white egg temperadoubt.jpgegg tempera is brittle, it'd be glair
>>8018724Yeah, i looked him up, he used chalk and gouache in his work. This one could be gouache.
>>8018262Now THIS is is autism
Bî 笔 brushI've made a couple of these better. But I kind of like this one because the last stroke goes up the page longer and wider than it should, which makes it kind of look like a calligraphy brush. But I wish the other strokes were cleaner
>>8019969Do you thin down your ink? I reckon if you went with a lot more opaque ink, india ink straight from the bottle already flows well and doesn't need thinning.
>>8020198I grind my own ink from Chinese pine ink stones. I personally don't like premade ink at all, but just because I like the ritual of traditional calligraphy. By the time I wrote this character, the ink had thinned out a bit just from me trying to get the last bit of ink out of my stone without grinding more. I should've grinded some more to thicken it up, but it was like 1am in the morning when I made that so I really didn't care. I was just taking grey watery ink from the trough of the stone, and making the little bit of ink I had in the well go further. I also really prefer ink sticks because you can thin them out super easy, and thicken them back up easily. You can have thick black ink and light grey watery ink in the same stone which is really beneficial for ink paintings. Yes you could just add some water to premade ink, but that's not as fine or as easily replicated as grinding ink into water to the color you want, at least for me. I'd accidentally dump a bunch of water on it everytime I'm sure. If I put too much water in the ink stone, I can pour it out or dap it with a paper towel before I grind the ink in. I also don't like having a bunch of different ink stones, or paint pallettes out and dirty at the same time. If I had a pallette with different shades of black and grey, Id just end up making a big mess
>>8019777britishers called them 'cake' btw
>>8020349Good morning
>>8020216Well I just think the calligraphy would look a fair bit nicer if the ink was more black.
>>8007499
>>8018083Dont know if youre still here but when it comes to white nights you need to watch out for their pigment mix because they are being nigger with it sometimes - and they also staining, which definitely not for everyone. For example, they have 3 pigments in their (Raw) Umber color (py43, pbr7, pbk7) as opposed to single pigment pbr7 like in other brand. What does that mean? It means that if you mix other color with wn umber too much then you'll risk into making your palette or paintings muddier than it should be.I'm not saying that you'll need to stay away from them, I mean WN azure (phthalo blue) and WN green are still in my main palette (which are a mixture of sennelier, winsor newton, and white nights itself) to this day, its just that you have to watch out for their pigments before you choose your white nights paint.And, choosing your paint based on pigment is a good thing to do, by the way. Another example from my experience: evendoe i prefer sennelier over winsor newton, but I'd take winsor viridian over sennelier any day because sennelier infuse their viridian with their sennelier green (phthalo green) pigment for some reason which are dumb and retarded by itself
>>8020905>oooooooh they're mixing iron oxide with iron oxide ooooooooohhhreddit nopaint postthe hue angle between py42 and pbr7 is inconsequential for mixing and won't make le mud in any mix that wouldn't be muddy in a single pigment, learn how mixing workspy43/42 and pbr7 especially are frequently mixed because there's such a large overlap in huethird, manufacturers have literally zero obligation to list their pigments and frequently hide them from the customers because of reddit bullshit like you're peddling, see daniel smith and shinhan for blatant lying, qor for extra pigments on the website etc
>>8020923>but muh blackliterally nothing wrong with black, it's just hard to use for scrubs because it lowers chroma faster than value, it's the natural choice for calming a paint without fucking with the valueredditards will screech about le black and then use indigo, sepia, payne's gray etc that has black in it
painting during time, did get colors right this time
>>8020929meant daytime
>>8020926>but hurr durr why mix if hue samebecause of pigment availability and dumb niggers like you whining if an old batch has different pigment informationgolden for example has an article on issues with procuring natural earth pigments
>>8020934finally, in line with what I said about manufacturers having ZERO legal requirement to tell you what's in the paint, they're actively lying about natural earth pigments due to aforementioned procurement issues so a tube saying it's single pigment py43 literally doesn't mean either of those things and may very well be a mix of synthetic pigments>but whybecause of dumb hobbyists misrepresenting specific issues like mixes within a wide hue range having more complements than mixes within a narrow hue range as a made up universal rule about more pigments making mudthis incentivizes manufacturers in the western market to play along to sell the paint because the watercolor market is predominantly hobbyistfor a specific example, look again at shinhan pwc vs swcsame brand, same paint, different marketsthe western catalog is all single pigment while the korean catalog is multi pigment because koreans don't give a fuck about reddit memes and the mixes are within a narrow angle so nobody in the west gets mud and everything is fine despite (much like with daniel smith) anyone with a modicum of familiarity with pigments can instantly observe the paints do not match their supposed pigments
>>8020941speaking of the differences in eastern and western markets, let's see what japanese and korean brands think of raw umberhuh, their paintings must be very muddy indeed, maybe they should browse reddit more
>>8020929yeah the colors look more accurate compared to your last apples
>>8020946I won't shit up this very productive thread any more, but I want to add that it's fascinating that redditards that average 30 minutes of dragging a waterbrush over a poorly drawn sketch per week and call it painting will foam at the mouth at paint having two earth pigments because it's le muddy, but oil painters will pay hundreds of dollars for this and be happy
>>8020959what site is this
>>8020959>oil painters will pay hundreds of dollars for this and be happyWe do not hate boomer cattle enough, guys.
>>8020694To be fair most of the time I use water paper, and it's always dark
More water paper
Brian doesn't post anymore, he's too busy making 8-10k a month nowmeanwhile you guys are arguing over muhhh pigmentsBrian doesn't even look at the colors he's putting on the canvas and you are obsessing over minuta like whether a tube has one or three pigments in it
>>8021026>Brian doesn't even look at the colors he's putting on the canvasNeither do the boomers buying them FUCKIGN GOTTEM
Last water paper. I don't like posting anything but ink on paper, because otherwise it makes me feel like I'm cheating.
>>8021018artistpigments.orgmost useful for watercolors due to low cost barrier, but they're chipping away at other mediums, sampling tints and other stuffjust note that paint with the manufacturer color data/chart as source is generally going to be darker and more chromatic compared to their own tests, which are the accurate representation of the paint across brandssome functionality is paywalled, but honestly, good, I donated even though I figured out how to use all of it through the address barjust note what I said about batches, for example >>8020959 got changed in 2025 so the Golden page for it displays different pigments, but since it takes years for stores to refresh oil stock sometimes, the tube you buy on jackson's is listed as the old formula and from my experience will be the old one
>>8020905I am! Actually planned on sharing a few more tests I've done, but I'll do that later.I've had it instilled in me at college to prefer as few pigments in my paints, same reason you've explained (mud). The fact another person uses WN means they're worth a shot.>>8020923>righteous indignation mixed with autistic tech infoCalm down, and share some sauces, plz I know you already shared artistpigment.org. I'd like to know what a "hue angle" is and what proper mixing looks like. >pigment labels are liesFuck my chud life>30 minutes of dragging a waterbrush over a poorly drawn sketch per week and call it paintingNTA, but even I'm hurt by that.>*aqua sobbing.gifOn another note: what're your guys fav watercolor brushes? I'm a bit disappointed with my mid to small escoda versatils, as they refuse to keep a sharp point. It gets progressively worse the smaller the brush. I have a few Princeton's aqua elites and they are solid for their price. Not the biggest fan of synthetic squirrel, as once they drop their load they don't spring back up. Anybody try Calineos or cosmotop?
>>8021271I'm >>8018388, I think I've said what there's to be said about brushes. Spring, snap etc is a marketing meme pushed by old ladies painting florals because they paint petals and leaves with a tapered stroke, you'll see landscape painters do the whole thing with a hake without any issue.Bigger brushes and longer hair make a point more easily, that's just how it is. Points are also a bit of a meme, if you use the point of a big brush, you're gonna wear it down, might as well just use a smaller brush that costs 1/20 as much. I have a dagger brush that seems to work great for thin lines, but I haven't used it much, I'm trying to focus on the basics of painting.The real thing is water capacity and release rate, pretty much nothing else matters. Synthetics like Casaneo have an okay capacity, but I've yet to see a single synthetic that doesn't dump water, they're only good for scrubbing and saving the point on natural hair imo.Also ergonomics, the Colineo has the worst handle I've ever held, I'd prioritize that over snappiness or whatever.Pic are some of the round brush series I have, also have hakes, some pony brushes, a bunch of Chinese brushes etc. Maestro 35s are the best brushes I have, I think I have 4 or 5 of them, but like I said, the black squirrel costs less than 1/10 as much and does everything just as well, it's just thirsty and holds a lot of water.
I would ask you to pyw, but i know, you are just a nodraw who buys shiny stuff.
>>8021326I post my work on occasion and I did multiple times itt, I'm currently just churning out glorified sketches on cellulose paper, trying to get the basics down as I've already said, so it's not very exciting to post. Also, I don't think anything in that pic is particularly "shiny".You wanna post yours now or just seethepost like a bitch?
>>8021326
>>8021326Also, this is what I paid for the brush I said I'm using and have recommended twice now, I doubt I'm gonna get laid flexing this
>>8021326Looking forward to seeing your work btw
Well not bad, actually. I can't post, i'm busy.
>>8021362I understand, I'll wait.
>>8021364I work hard, so Togashi notice me and makes me his assistant. It could take some time.
>>8021365Yeah okay, nodraw. Miss me with the projection next time.
>>8021371>nodrawHaven't i told you, i'm working hard right now?
>>8021294>use the point of a smaller brush to spare a largerSee that's kinda my issue. The smaller the versatil gets, the less uniform the point becomes. I'd like to replace a few of em that are problematic for when I need precision. As I said, I can confidently replace em with aqua elite, but I figured id ask. Maybe I'm missing out on a new favorite.Pic rel are AquaElite #6 and Versatil #6 >tapered strokes.Nothing wrong with those.>hake.I can give em a try. These artists who can do it all on a hake, mind sharing their names? I'd like to see their techniques n style. >The real thing is water capacity and release rate, Agreed>pretty much nothing else matters.Points do to me. Some shapes have acute corners, and I strive for realism, so control is a must.>black squirrel glazingAre you referring to the Casaneo in the pic, or the Roman Szmal pure squirrel?You didn't specify which, but I assume the Szmal because Casaneo is synth.
>>8021607I eat my words*(After putting my versatil to near boiling temp water and leaving it in soap for a day*) I finally got my smallest versatil to compete with its aqua elite counter part. Picrel. Size 1 for each.
>>8021271I use Escoda Reserva size 10 for everything, had no problems with it. Thinking of picking size 4 for details.
r8 my palette
>>8021714doesn't paint/10
>>8021745maybe if you tell me what's wrong with it I can start painting
>>8021784you don't start painting with 15 paints
>>8021714I can’t see a system or deeper thought in it, if you’re a noob it may teach you the wrong lessons. But big palettes are not uncommon in water color. So you could paint whatever you wanted with it, but you probably want paint much out of ten.P.S. dont ask me to pyw, it turned badly for me yesterday
>>8021787>15 paintsgood thing I have 13 of them then. Which paints do I need to add or remove?
>>8021794pyw
>>8021714well, lets see...assuming that you want to have a general palette for everything, I'd say that you have too many yellow while at the same time you dont have any cool blue in there. You can work with those yellows, but for the blue, you either need to replace a certain color or add a cool blue in there.phthalo is a strong pigment and can easily overtake any color when you put a little bit too much of it in the mix. If you want you can replace phthalo blue with cerulean or cobalt. If you want to keep it, you can replace either orange and violet in yout palette; the former can be replaced by mixing iso yellow and pyro red while the latter can be replaced by mixing ultramarine deep and your magenta. also, viridian hue is not viridian, you can easily mix a green closer to that viridian hue with those blues and yellows in your palette, so consider that one as well.and burnt umber... you can mix burnt umber with ultramarine deep and burnt sienna, so you can choose to replace it with something or get rid of it if you dont feel like that you will be using that color much. Usually people keep earth colors if they want to use it or have a mix that are highly dependent to it, if you dont then you can just mix that burnt umber
Little oil painting I did.
>>8021894Beautiful
>>8021894is that from a photo? that's godawful composition, what were you thinking?
Can i buy the pentel water brush without the water reservoir? Just a regular brush with the same tip?
watercolor bird
>>8022017I love it! Really cool colors and anatomy, I can see this isn’t your first piece with a bjrd. I actually did a similar bird piece too
>>8017654These are all great, the pastry especially.
Why is it so hard to find watercolor resources? I'm talking about books and courses, not Youtube videos.
>>8022130because up until 50 years ago you were expected to learn oils first and then the rest was just getting experience with a less cooperative medium90% of your issues don't have anything to do with watercolor
>>8022136I'm not complaining about my lack of skills, but I'd like to read more about it. 50 years is plenty of time, and I have no interest in oil painting.
>>8022138>I have no interest in oil paintingwhat if it enables you to get better at watercolors?
>>8022140Seems like a hassle for someone who isn't very good in general.
>>8022138there's nothing to read about, watercolor has fuck all technique, it's basically pure skillif you can paint in oil, watercolor is just a matter of knowing water is wet and having the skill to execute the paintingif you can paint in watercolor, you still need the technique for oilsee everything you ever wanted to know about watercolor, it's 2 pages of how to hold a brush, 20 pages about mixing paint and then 600 pages of paint the rest of the owl because that's all there is to watercolor
>>8022143>how do i ride a unicycle >have you learned riding a bicycle>woah, that's a lot of hassle for someone who can't cycle in general
>>8022140NTA but I was decent at oil painting (alla prima) and I couldn't get a hang of watercolors until I found teacher who walked me through process step by step.
>>8022151It honestly makes no sense to me to practice oil painting so I can move on to watercolor. Unfortunately I have a limited time for practice.>>8022146I understand that, but helpful tips and a guiding hand can help you acquire skill much faster than rawdogging it.
>>8022138>>8022143What that means is use an oil book.>>8022156>I was decentWere you, though? Honestly? Because there's only one guy posting in these threads that's decent if we're honest, and I haven't seen him in a while.
>>8022158>It honestly makes no sense to me to practice oil paintingit makes plenty sense, you have time to think and analyze in oil, you don't in watercolor>helpful tips and a guiding hand can help you acquire skill much fasteryou clearly don't understand because you're asking for tips
If you can oil why would waste your time with children’s s paints?
>>8022081sometimes I made small watercolor sketches of birds
>>8022186Nice gouache, can you post the watercolor too :^)
>>8022178don't worry about it
>>8022190It was a watercolor
>>8022186could you maybe have gotten away with using slightly more saturated colors? Seem a bit muted as is.
>>8022198was it tho :3
>>8021904I made sketches in real life that were the basis of the painting, I did use some photo's to tackle some mechanical details.>>8021901Thanks mate.
>>8022151I don't think this is very much equivalent.Oil isn't necessarily easier, it has a lot of quirks and I wouldn't say experience with it helps watercolour any more than using any other painting medium. Besides it can take a looong time before you actually feel confident with oils, let alone having to make a switch back to watercolours which behaves completely different.In the end it's better to just get acquainted with watercolour, the fickle nature of water as a medium. If you have been painting in oil for years, sure that helps, but to pick up oils first is counterproductive. If you want an easier time you would be better off doing monochromatic with ink and brush and slowly introduce colour as you see fit.
>>8022201cotton mutes the colours and the sketch is done in just a couple of layers
>>8022246>cotton mutes the coloursIt doesn't
>>8022242it's amazing how you can misconstrue a simple statement to such an extent, literally nothing you've said has any relevance to what I saidnever reply to me again, jeet
>>8022246what mutes the colors is you glazing white on top
>>8022130Charles Reid has a few decent books on watercolour, I got quite a bit out of them as I took watercolours with me to figure drawing.
Is there any hope for me?
>>8022783Yes, keep going.For the next level up i would recommend to learn edges. You need some sharp, high contrast edges in your painting for focus.Mace some of the contact points between the dark background and the peers sharp.Look up demos of D. Laffel or R. Schmid to see how. Schmid like to use a little, flexible palette knife for example.
>>8022816Gypsy, I...
>>8022783you fucked up the bait, that's a "circle of", meaning some literallywho painted it
I did the same bait with one of his water colors, once. But i would say the same now, edges no good, looks amateurish.
>open youtube>everyone and their dog suddenly shilling some paper I never heard ofI'm so tired of this shit
>>8023081what?
>>8023111I am bereaved of joy by the sight of hucksters and peddlers playing at artists on youtube
>>8023132you are deluded if you think youtube is anything more than glorified advertisement platform. 80% of videos are essentially ads trying to sell you something, whether it's sponsored products or creator's own hustle, 15% are schizo ramblings and 5% are actually watchable for simple reason of them not being for youtube in the first place and just reuploads.
>>8023466it wasn't always like that, zoomer
got some handmade 300gsm hot press watercolor papes recently and damn, shit is so cash.
>>8023689>handmadeyou know what they do in it, right?
Is crazy how much harder oil is then acrylic
>>8023689I don't like art stuff that i can't afford a bunch of. >>8023793What is your problem? You can make oil hard, but you don't need to.
>>8023907do not engage the schizo
>>8023931Nah, he is a schizo, but at least he is painting regularly.
>>8023934they're your brain blood vessels
>>8023704what?
back painting againacrylic 50x50 wip
>>8023704what?>>8023907not that expensive for me, well maybe expensive only relative to normal shitpaper but still this stuff didn't cost me a kidney. writing and drawing on textured hard paper is absolutely worth it though, it's much more fun.
doing hard surfaces as opposed to fruit this time
>>8023934>>8023907How am I schizo I just complain a lot. I stopped liking painting a week ago. But your comment of what's my problem helped me now I'm just painting more freely without regard for consequence I'm a very careful person by nature low inhib so I paint in a slow methodical pace but for now I'm just painting faster after your comment using more paint and faster.
>>8024490i like the hair, very wyeth-esque. I would have more sharp edges in defining the features of the face, though.
new >>8024789i fucked up the link to the old thread, but should be fine
