>>8007635theres no way to escape sub 90 begdom apparently
>>8007635It’s almost as if most artists aren’t these 2 particular people
>>80076354000 hours just to make art worse than the average /beg/ KEK
>>8007635"just draw" is supposed to be for people who have never drawn anything and don't know where to start why do people act like it means to never try and improve or practice anything
>>8007635It's really weird that out of all the advice dumbasses on the internet give they never tell you "take an actual class". Like an ACTUAL class with a teacher/professor that grades your shit and can guide you to what you want to achieve. For most people(in the US anyway) there are plenty of places to learn THAT ARENT FUCKING ART SCHOOL. Not everything is in LA just go to your local Community college and take a course. Not sure why most art gurus dont just state the fucking obvious. YOU DONT HAVE TO FUCKING DO THIS ALONE
I pronounce it PAH-well
>>8007685Try presenting an anime drawing to a person in real life. Doesn't matter how good it is they'll be disgusted and call it garbage.
>>8007685>Not sure why most art gurus dont just state the fucking obvious.Think a little harder.
>>8007691I showed my big tiddy anime drawing to one of my coworkers and he liked her.
>>8007635365 * 14 = 5110The chances that person on top did 1 hour a day regularly are next to nothing.So I guess mileage won?
What's this guy's art looking nowadays?
>>8007635Both suck? What is the point of the image
>>8007728Bottom is clearly professional you fucking incel
>>8007635Just draw works if you can already (mostly) accurately copy references i.e. you're talented. These people just need to find their style, build a visual library, build hand-eye coordination and line confidence. If you draw potato faces you need to grind forms and do drsb exercises until you get to the level of a talented individual.
>>8007691True. Normal people aren't autistic so looking at an anime "face" that can't communicate emotions triggers an uncanny valley disgust response. It's an acquired taste for most of the western population.
>>8007635>cherry pickingNo idea why you pick his studies to prove that he got worse. You do know that people's studies arn't suppose to be good right? It's just them trying out concepts from the books.Pretty sure your loomis studies look horrible as well.
>>8007772>2023
>>8007691you're not japanese, you have never made an anime drawing and never will
>>8007635Whos the stupid guy who spent 4000 hours on a single book?
>>8007635It works if you have IQ higher then 110 if you don't then you need to study. Study is obviously still preferred as intelligent person should always do.
>>8007778yes he's been capable of drawing good stuff for a while now buckely. You are just jealous of pawell because he doesn't need to go to some secret island to illegaly fuck teens!He can do it legally in the open where he lives!
>>8007825post the art
>>8007825He isn't wrong.
>>8007825I've seen enough teenage girls pretending to be older to agree with him. Maybe it's not something you should aspire to, but it shouldn't be penalized.
>>8007825Hey I used to hang out in a discord with these guys! Then they banned me.
>>8007635>Just draw is le bad >Uses example of someone who clearly haven't drawn that muchWhy is /ic/ like that?
>>8007841because you posted pedophile drawings
Why did he stop drawing?
>>8007841Is it Satori Saloon? I also hung out there
>>8007772did he activate Windows yet?
I heard he stopped drawing because his electronics got confiscated for online hate crimes
>>8007831Are you sure buckley? You seem so ashamed of your own art that you shred it!
>>8007863pawel hasnt drawn in years and he never willmeanwhile buckely makes furry bucks
if i even posted all the drawings i did and how little i studied you would kill yourselves or have the coping of the century
>>8007868Furries will pay for this? I think I found a goldmine!
>>8007635Top would be more popular and sell more than bottom
>>8007876Where have you been for the last 35 years?
he never had fun and he never held a pencilmany such casesvery sad
>secret draw club psyop thread
>>8007685>YOU DONT HAVE TO FUCKING DO THIS ALONEpicrelAlso, that's why we're here, no?
>>8007825>exhibit no.675443 of ameritard mindfucked by actual age of consent laws
>>8007635Pawell isn’t the worst artist I’ve ever seen, he can make slay the spire tier illustrations which for some people is “good enough.” I also like some of his portraits. The guy on the top has three drawings and I know nothing about him so I’m gonna assume that’s all he did in 14 years.
>>8007750What is this cope, lol? The only people who don't watch anime these days are boomers.
>>8007849Wrong guy.
I have no idea who those /ic/ characters are and their lores.
>nodraw crabs seething at paGODwell while he legally fucks 15-16yr old Czech beauties and is the greatest artist in his little village of 500 people.Cope, furfags
>>8007962Pawel doesn't draw anymore
>>8007965Neither do you. But he is still fucking Czech girls, and you aren’t.
>>8007951You're in a weeb bubble
>>8007863pawel shredded his dead moms drawings
>>8007685I wish I could take a drawing class but there literally aren't any in my area that are for adults.
>>8007965He went through all that effort and then gave up?
>>8008163Sunk cost fallacy
>>8008163he was an IT monkey who thought he could bruteforce his brain into learning to drawbut his heart was never in it so its no surprise he gave up
>>8008163>>8008192When did he give up? Did he make any formal announcements? I was following his work up until like a year ago and I'm out of the loop
>>8008193he just stopped one day and everyone told him to go on but he refused
>>8008224>everyone told him to go on but he refusedWhy were they telling him to go on after demoralizing him for years?
>>8008234there was pawel believers and pawel hatersic is not a hivemind
>>8008193he posted last month.
>>8008243lol
>>8008293Sovl
>>8008293left is actually very good
>>8008243>>8008293I'm still a pawell believer
>>8008293>drawn selfie for tinder>yes i want to present myself as someone who will leave you in different body bags after the date
>>8008316in czechia thats called "romance"
>>8008293his self portrait looks like someone who feasts on human flesh
>>8007635redpil me on pavel
>>8008316not a bad stratat least whoever matches him knows exactly what they're getting into
>>8007707https://pawell2418.github.io/
>>8008293how can you be drawing for so long and not develop somewhat appealing mark making
>>8008027I took a five hour colour and light course on Udemy and went from never using colour at all to being somewhat decent with it.
>>8008293There's no chance this guy isn't a virgin
>>8007693Well they do it for fucking art schools is the thing. Like Im in LA and its always about fucking CALARTS or Pomona from all these LA fucks. Like I know these gurus are down to hide obvious info but I know for a fact Art Schools aint cutting a check for these hack frauds, theyd do it for fucking free. Like I remember what really pissed me off was this youtuber Daidus specifically talking about Art School and this fucking retard is just like all the other retard art youtubers who said "Oh of course I had to go to art school cause I am an ARTIST and wanna be an ARTIST and thats the only logical conclusion" but then they also say in the same breath "Art schools "EXPECT YOU TO KNOW HOW TO DRAW" and Im just thinking dude there might be a whole generation of kids who take these fucks seriously when I followed markcrilley growing up and that fuck went to Kalamazoo College(yes thats the real name) in Michigan, and that wasnt some fancy fucking art school its just a legit college. Like Im sure if I researched it might be acclaimed for its art program but you know it aint gonna do some gay ass "HERES HOW IT WORKS IN THE INDUSTRY" bullshit. Like fucking Crilley has a story about how despite having all this impressive work he got called out by his instructor David Small(another author) on some painting he was doing and went "No you beglet this is how you mix fucking colors red and yellow make fucking orange"https://youtu.be/8hx8dN_62Ng?si=shmcCxrxtUrqCr41&t=465And you got these ABSOLUTE DUMBFUCKS telling you to do art school when this actual published author had to be taught that red and yellow make fucking orange. Like at least art gurus have the(shameless) excuse that they are trying to get you to buy THEIR course but dumbasses like fucking Daidus or Jackie Droujko or memoircomics ALL SHILLING THESE DUMBASS FUCKING ART SCHOOLS FOR FUCKING FREE(Yes thats right fucking free) and not once do they go "Hey if you wanna learn the basics try college/a class.Stupid shit.
>>8008027Well even if they arent for adults the guy whos teaching it IS an adult right? Maybe get into contact with THAT GUY specifically and when he/she hosts a class see if you can throw em a couple of bucks to review your work and see where your faults are and maybe try to get a feel for their lesson plan. Like I myself have taught kids and I honestly teach them them the same way I was taught in college just without the expectation of grading their work and just letting them express themselves which is more important at a young age.
>>8007785Well thats ropefuel
it's all genetic Also> Fuck off tranny jannie, you know I am right
>>8008961Art spaces are filled with people who are superstitious. Have seen people claim that drawing from reference will "harm" your development, with no proof. Have seem plenty of people on deviantart who just draw from imagination and they all suffer symbol drawing. Even after years of drawing like this.
>>8009044There is still progress. Also; years passed =/= time spent on drawing
>>8009044those deviantart types draw like a couple of times a year at best
>>8009073too bad death won't count the hours you spent drawing
>>8009087huhWhat did xe meant by this
>>8008293he looks like hes about to unleash a psychic blast.
Holy fuck you stupid retards just don't be autistic. That's it. Autistic people can't learn. It's cause they just repeat things the same way over and over without picking up the nuances you need to improve in drawing. Same for writing, they all have the same shitty prose. Autists are also terminally online and they love to troon out. Removing autists would fix most of the internet
>>8009114actually, be more autistic
>>8009115living in squalor has nothing to do with autism you stupid zoomer mongoloiddon't you understand that this shit with all the geniuses of the past being actually autistic is jewish bullshit? autistic people are useless
>>8009119>he wasnt autistic, he just chose to not eat a variety of food, had bad hygiene, dedicated to a single craft, bad with people, generally an all around asshole>autism did not exist in the past, it just randomly spawned some 100-200 years ago, and thats why a good percent of the population has it, despite it never ever ever ever being sexually selected forokie dokie normie
>>8009120here's a shocker: you can be bad with people without being autistic, and you can be focused without being an autistic retard born of a whore's last egg. I know you want to believe that you're a special snowflake thanks you ADHD but you're not. you're fucking useless. it's why Raphael was a genius while you'll neckrope on 4chan
>>8009120>it just randomly spawned some 100-200 years agounironically true, the kind of autism that spirals into Sonic running and jerking off to ponies is what you get when you process crude autism through public school (and yes it is older than the internet)
>>8009122i dont actually think im that autistic but i certainly cant pick up on social cues properly, regardless, you sound like a bitter, vindictive person who is probably more autistic than me seeing as you are so rigid in your beliefs.
>>8009123I'm not sure how old it is as it's related to people having kids too late.is the tism as common in muzzie shitholes where they start spawning at 14 as it is in the USA? I doubt it
>>8009125not in the same way, they just keep them at home chained to a post so it looks very different
>>8009125ya they tend not to have autism, just skeletal issues, mental retardation, aggressive personalities, ugly dysgenic faces, and an all around awful disposition cause of inbreeding and fucking goats or whatever.
>>8009123>jerking off to ponieswhoa wait a minute dude anthro ponies are hot
>>8009073>There is still progress.Yes, progress that shouldn't had taken 9 years to reach!
>>8009183like other anons said they probably drew like 2-3 times a year at most
>>8009123>public schoolThey did some damage, but they are not the main cause. Mass media probably did more damage to autists than public schools. They might have been a bit cringe and unlikable back then. You didn't have autists like chris-chan until the cartoons, video games and comics were common.
>>8007856and lose his svperior vltra vril?
>>8007888extremely funny comic because the bottom audience member is right
>>800831615yos in czechia got some niche tastes ok
>>8009119>don't you understand that this shit with all the geniuses of the past being actually autistic is jewish bullshit?someone is mad they don't have the 'tism lol
'tism is needed to make it in drawing. But you need the right kind of 'tism. Pawell was blessed with the wrong kind.
>>8008318>>8009270>czechiaThat's what the natives call the place! Please use the English word Czech or Bohemia, you are not a native!
>>8009275Having persistence and focus isn't autism.
>>8009280Everything is autism nowadays
>>8007635the self portrait looks worse than it should because he ref'd himself using a tiny lense
>>8008383better than I expected
>>8007825theres nothing wrong here lmao16 are literally common aoc numbersmutts should be more concerned about jew cum they constantly gargle
>>8007825In my country, you can legally have sex with people from age 14 up to 150+
>>8007691I quit my job and started doing commissions because a random office manager I worked at said my doodle was cute and they wondered what I was doing there.
>>8009348>actually decent looking guy>turns himself into a jew
>>8008937Just learn it yourself man
>>8007951next you're going to say most people in japan(the homeland of it) watch anime when that's false.
>>8007635Some people are just not meant for art and that's okay
>>8007685>YOU DONT HAVE TO FUCKING DO THIS ALONELemme tell you a great secret, one that will make you a lot better than taking a class with a low IQ Burguerman. >Pay for an Asian mentor like Oridays did, you will improve on turbo mode.That`s it, that`s the secret, you can hire a top tier ASIAN art teacher and become an art God. You`re in the internet era my ngga, no need to eat local crappy dishes when international food is a 1000x better.
>>8007691hello from 1980, moron
>>8007691I draw anime at work and just talk about various animation (mostly western since he is a boomer) with my supervisor who also draws/paints.
>>8012344Even though anime is becoming slowly becoming normie shit, The average person will still look at you with disgust or treat you as some kind of weirdo. You being in a bubble doesn't change that, anon.
>>8012397cute cat work bro
>>8007685Aren't introductory art classes still meant for people who already know how to draw? I was under the impression that the basics of drawing are not taught anywhere and you have to invent them from nothing before you can receive instruction.
>>8007685Because most people want to draw anime or work on a stylistic style for their ocs and art school is known not to be good for it
>>8007672"Just draw" implies that you are practicing to try and improve. Before children were raised by the internet, a level of introspection, exploration, and self awareness was just assumed. Telling someone to "do it more frequently" lent itself to those assumptions and people just got better. It's why people over 30 tend to be way more tech literate, since troubleshooting hadn't been completely trained out of them by then. Kids have to work way harder to think for themselves because corpos are spending trillions to train an entire generation that they can do the thinking instead.
>>8009497There's an upper limit? Why and why is it so high?
>>8007635I think there's an art equivalent of being tone deaf. Some people can't be musicians because a quirk of biology means they have no ear for music at all. Some people just can't draw.
The reality of Pawell was different from the studious personality he liked to curate on his socials: He wanted to learn to draw by doing the repetitions but for every 10 minutes he drew he spent 60 scrolling the internet. He was constantly distracted and it shows in his drawings. He almost never corrected his mistakes and his main goal was to half-ass a dozen figures onto a canvas. That's why nothing ever stuck in his brain.Also, all he ever did was copy books. He never made use of anything he "learned". Maybe for every 2000 figgies he did a finished illustration. If he had had a goal in the first place he might have succeeded. But in the end he was his own worst enemy.
>>8012935its purely motivation and like. you enjoy something, you wont lack taste for more and better(er). thats an issue in itself, but the right path to excellence. genuine joy from [thing] the rest is hard work.
>>8008532whores in chzeochslovakia are like 20 euros in some places. official brothel and all.
>>8007863Buckley should have followed Yellow Diamond and improve to freedom.
>>8007876Dude that’s like three years ago he’s improved.
>>8012935Some people can't be draftsman. Every body can play to their weaknesses and find a way to make appealing things.
The problem with "just draw" is that the people telling you that shit dont tell you that "just draw" in reality means>make copies of art you like and also draw irl stuff around you>drawing from imagination is actually just combining memories of stuff you've copied before>comparing drawings from imagination with real life, art from better artists and with copies leads to improvementThat's the secret to "just draw"
or maybe it means "just sit your ass down and start drawing literally anything and use anything as an excuse to draw you fucking mongrel. drawing should become second nature, your first language, you should be inhaling loomis heads like its fucking free cocaine"
>>8014116I look and draw like that
>>8014586I look like that but I dont draw
>>8014108its easier to say just draw than to repeat all that everytime to a howie
>>8014108I've been better at drawing than most permabegs as a middle schooler and I never used ref or did studies.I think some people simply lack taste or have really shit visual memory so they are unable to produce anything that looks good as a result, even studying might not help them much because of the aforementioned issue with memory and taste.
>>8016190Yeah some people just have "it" and getting from beg to adv is just a matter of line quality and developing a unique style. I do think the untalented can get good at copying reference with drsb exercises and practice, but they'll never be able to draw from memory or imagination like someone with good spatial reasoning.
>>8012935There are musicians that are completely deaf so stop coping
>>8016190A lot of permabegs really do not grasp that video games, sports, and sculpting are necessary pre-requisites for drawing if you have underdeveloped spatial reasoning and 3D thinking. The brain is a muscle and you need to exercise the right parts of the brain in order to develop skills that don't come naturally to you. It's kinda why computer programming, language learning, and music composition all tend to complement each other.One of the main reasons why old-school Deviantart autists fall into "incredibly skilled" or "forever dogshit" is because the former demographic either makes drawing into a constant habit (copying and studying and observing art, drawing from memory/imagination, drawing from life), is lucky enough to have some form of dyslexia which gives them the advantage when it comes to thinking in 3D, or becomes so dedicated to their fetishes (sexual or not) that they become obsessed with bringing it into reality via art. Regardless of what path they take, this type of autist gets observational and constructive drawing locked down.The latter group not only does not draw enough, but tends to only draw the same familiar things and avoids drawing anything that brings them discomfort which results in stagnancy. Their observational drawing skills are shot and their constructive drawing skills might as well not exist.>>8016262If a permabeg does the DRSB exercises and is STILL dogwater even after getting past symbol drawing, they need to sculpt, play a ball sport, and start gaming if they are to be able to effectively draw from memory or imagination. For a lot of people, they need to cultivate their brain in order to be able to internalize constructive drawing.
if drawing books worked, they'd be fucking banned. The fact is most people want to get good at drawing without studying or practicing. Only a small percentage of people have a natural base style that already has appeal and form, and those are the people who can "just draw". The prebegs starting at negative 100 have to study and unlearn their habits before they can even begin practicing.Being raised on anime increases your chances of having a naturally appealing style.
>>8007685The classes are for boomers who have never picked up a pen in their life and don't have inner thoughts.
>>8016190Middle school drawings are proof of what I'm talking about. Unless it's spelled out to you how to properly "use" references or that active recall is a key part of efficient art improvement, most newbie art kids will do observational drawings of what they see from life and/or will unknowingly fall into constructive drawing by constantly drawing from imagination/memory without a reference. It's why people fixate so much on middle school or elementary school drawings made by artists after they've done DRSB and go "wow, it has so much soul!"No serious study really happens and references aren't being used, but observational drawing and constructive drawing are slowly and gradually chipped away at. You're drawing without a full toolkit, but it doesn't really matter because you're still drawing, which is what you need to do above all else.>>8016702A lot of permabegs really do not want to hear that you ABSOLUTELY need to: >get into the habit of drawing for fun like you did as a small child>you also need to constantly study (draw from reference, draw from life, copy and study and meaningfully trace, draw from memory, devote yourself to your favorite subjects)Instead what fucking happens is that bad habits are not unlearned (doesn't draw enough, spends too much time looking at the drawing and not the subject, refuses to study properly, doesn't shake off symbol drawing, dogshit line quality) and you have retards who go "drawabox will save me!" only to crash and burn hard.
>>8012777>>8012492The thing about art classes is that most American art classes taught at universities are dedicated to observational drawing (basically a step above DRSB taught in public schools) or only teach the principles of classical drawing (constructive drawing) via dedicated animation programs... that really just push you to do computer drawing or life model drawing without any focus on the fundamentals. If you're not gonna be an animator, you have to learn constructive drawing either through a dedicated art program (usually online), from an atelier, or by doing what Richard Williams, KJG, and Stephen Silver talk about which is constantly drawing from life over and over again.
>>8016696>The brain is a muscleNo, the brain is a brain.
>>8014116saved lol
>>8013150>CzechoslovakiaAnon...
>>8007685Because "art classes" are either>daycare for kids where they draw anime unattendedor>time wasters for senile boomers where they paint flowers and fruitsThere's nothing else.
>>8007825You can legally fuck teens in every single part of every single country on this planet. You are right that you probably need to find some obscure island to find a place where it'd be illegal.
>>8007691Unfortunately this is true, going off of my experiences.
>>8007691true. I showed a guy on the street my anime drawings and he shot me in the head
>>8007635I believe everyone has aroudn ten years to really try to get good. That's enough time to flounder for a bit and then course correct.
>>8007635All that matters is IQ.
>>8014108Honestly even 10 minutes of shitty doodling is still an improvement over playing video games or watching youtube.
>>8017562not really, you cant draw anything substantial in 10 minutes. thats like opening a pizza box and taking one bite of a pizza and closing it. Doomscrolling actually gives you knowledge and keeps you up to date about the world, and there is a chance you grow and become a better person out of it.
>>8017578>you cant no, YOU can't, I can draw a figure in 10 minutes or fill entire page of sketchbook with observational drawings
