Which western artists get 'fauxime' right? For me, it's Fred Perry
Adam Warren
What counts and doesn't count as "fauxime" and what makes it different than vaguely looking animeish internet art like pic related?
>>8008440>>8009276Glen Murakami, Jeff Matsuda, and Derrick J Wyatt did a pretty good job. I also think the style of Totally Spies/Martin Mystery looked great with the "fauxnime" style.I think what makes classic "fauxnime" special when compared to contemporary anime-influenced cartoons or online digital art is that a lot of 90s/2000s artists had a firm background with traditional American/European drawings and cartoons BEFORE they allowed manga-style art to influence them. And on top of that, budgets were bigger which meant the art direction and animation itself was superior. Look at Boondocks for an example of this.You can look at the Panty and Stocking anime for a reverse example of this where the artists had a background in traditional Japanese art and manga but allowed the geometric/UPA-revival style of 90s/2000s American cartoons to shape the look of the show.I blame the look of vaguely-animeish art on how today's American artists are learning "wrong". Nobody's got the money to go to dedicated art programs/schools so most artists are using Youtube in place of college/programs, jump straight into constructive drawing, and spend all of their time copying or studying whatever comic art or literal anime designs they like when they aren't studying from life. This isn't a bad way to learn, but it ends up looking nothing like classic fauxnime and hardly resembles the kind of art that typically comes out of Japanese fanart spaces. And on top of that, everyone's skipping to values/color and drawing with a pen too early.If you want your art to look like classic fauxnime: study cartoons, use references, do life drawing, THEN study manga art.If you want anime-ish art: do life drawings, study both anime and American comic art, and use references.If you want ACTUAL manga-style art: draw from life (a lot!), copy, trace, and study manga art, heavily use references, and start using ink once you've got a hand on using a pencil.
>>8009581I used to work with children and you wouldn't believe how many kids these days REALLY love anime and want their drawings to look like the styles of the shows they love only to go at it all wrong!>studies anime art but not manga art>little to no interest in studying/copying classic American cartoons and comics>doesn't draw from life enough>thinks tracing is cheating
>>8009593I read from multiple interviews and sources that novice anime animators used to be given Western comics to study from.What would you say are must-study Western artists?I know Alex Toth gets listed frequently, as do people like Moebius.
>>8008440Devil's Candy... but at their levels, is it still considered "faux"?
>>8009682I'd say Jack Kirby, Herge, Will Eisner, Robert Crumb, Neal Adams, Bernie Krigstein, Harvey Kurtzman, etc.I've noticed that a lot of hobbyists underestimate how Japanese hobbyists and professionals constantly sing praises towards constructive drawing books that /ic/ has charts for (Loomis, Vilpuu, Hampton, etc) but the same pattern keeps happening over and over again:>I want to learn how to draw (and get good at it quickly like East Asians)!>(gets a bunch of conflicting advice)>(is discouraged from using references or is never told how to properly use references)>(people will dare to get upset if you mention tracing as a learning tool or studious copying)>/ic/ (and other sites) immediately shove constructive drawing books as the first thing to do despite constructive drawing being the longest and most difficult aspect of drawingYou're not supposed to do constructive drawing books until: >you've locked down observational drawing (takes about a year, give or take)>you're comfortable with drawing simple forms from various angles (which can take about a month to nail down)>you've built up a decent visual library
>>8008440Yeah Fred Perry had a relly good style somewhere in the middle of his comics. He is the one who actually made me start drawing. I used to love his series. I really hate his latest style that showed up near the end of his series, where he draws women with thick knees and ankles. I feel like he fell for the American black queen fatass fetish and it ruined his art. Damn shame.
>>8009683I thought the Devil's Candy artist was Japanese?
>>8008440Bleedman
>>8010331Great answer. I remember browsing deviantart for his work back in the day
>>8009980Isn't Fred Perry black?
>>8010342Yeah. But he managed to do without the fatass part, for most of his comic, just fine.The series overall is great, just hate his new art.
No mention of Xavier Houssin? There's a surprising amount of French artists who draw in fauxime style >>8009581>I blame the look of vaguely-animeish art on how today's American artists are learning "wrong".The reason why this is partly due to the fact that a lot of 2D animation talent/knowledge was dropped in the west during the transition from 2D to 3D animation. Of course new artists are looking only to anime, 2D animation here isn't what it used to be.
>>8009581>>8010395For a modern example of fauxime/manga-style art, we have Gurihiru and Ngozi Ukazu.Gurihiru is an interesting case because they're actually a duo of Japanese artists who were recommended to work in the west as their style was too American for Japanese audiences, which checks out as the two have repeatedly expressed Tezuka (heavily influenced by Disney) and classic American cartoons and comics as their two strongest influences. Not surprising that they went to work on the ATLA comics given that ATLA's visual style was a combination of 90s manga/anime crossed with American cartoons.Then we have Ukazu who was a massive fan of DC comics but also filled entire binders with manga and anime fanart when she was a teenager.
>>8010399>Equating Tezuka and retro-style to fauxnimeThe world has gone mad.
Not a fan of the term fauxnime. Very awkward out the mouth. Figure something else out
>>8010414You're right, it's more like a reverse-fauxnime...a fauxtoon?>Gurihiru/Ukazu: study both manga and American cartoons/comics, but clearly lean American in design >Horikoshi: study both manga and American cartoons/comics but clearly lean Japanese>Murakami/Matsuda/DJW/Fred Perry/Patricia Lyfoung/Svetlana Chmakova/Adam Warren: first study Western art and comics/cartoons, then pull heavily from manga and anime>Nishigori/Sushio (Trigger): first study lots of manga, then study 90s/2000s American cartoons and comics
>>8010415Idk, "anime-inspired art with western sensibilities" is a bit much
>>8010424>doesn't even mention Yoh Yoshinaribizarre
>>8010342what the hell?!That puts a new perspective on the interracial crap he does
>>8010517I thought this was well known, he's a bald black dudehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6YP0vkrKoE
>>8008440I generally dont like it in my comic books because artists are drawing an a "ANIME" style used for ANIMATION.Manga has better inks, lighting, and details these western anime fans dont bother trying to learn. Their full color work is hit or miss being able to do the heavy lifting, but most of the time, its just lazy art.I like Addam Warren and many of the artist in early Top Cow were good. Battle Chasers, Vampi. They were comic book artist first. The shit on Webtoons is fucking lazy.
>>8010525I dont ever bother to look up what artists look like, but seeing him actually works for me for some reason.I take it back. This nigga cool with me. He looks like he likes Dragon Ball
>>8010535>This nigga cool with me.He's probably less of a nigger than you are, considering he doesn't speak ebonics.
Does Alessandro Barbucci's work count?>>8010737Most black people switch to regular english in professional settings anyway
>>8010737People just call anything ebonics these days
>>8011057Nah I wouldn't count this as anime inspired, just stylized. The eyes are more pronounced than normal, but everything else screams european to me, from the coloring to the way the animals are drawn and even the way the breasts slightly sag down as opposed to the gravity defying spheres of japan. I'd call this more animation inspired simplification. He reminds me of todd nauck who's also more cartooney than the average comic book artist.
>>8010341I have to say that I still idolize this guy since he really opened the eyes of the west and east regarding mixed styles creating something unique AND appealing to the eyes.He is also based - too based that the west is too cowardly to hire due to soccer moms. I SPIT at soccer moms. *spit*
>>8011193>He is also basedBased? Don't know anything about the guy except that he likes loli, which isn't considered a big deal in art circles anyways
