>BridgmanNot anime, don't matter.>HogarthNot anime, don't matter.>VilppuNot anime, don't matter.>HamptonNot anime, don't matter.>LoomisNot anime, don't matter.>BargueNot anime, don't matter.>GoldfingerNot anime, don't matter.
>>8010867>Not anime, don't matter.
>>8010867Cool, cool. What's your art look like?
>>Bridgman>Not anime, don't matter.>>Hogarth>Not anime, don't matter.>>Vilppu>Not anime, don't matter.If you fail to see the anime in them I've nothing to say but unironically skill issue.
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>OPFaggot nodraw, don't matter.
>>8010867Uh oh, westoids not gonna like this thread…
>>8010924Children's cartoons are so heckin' based my fellow redditor!
>>8010867>>8010924PYW
>>8010926Shouldn’t you be drawing some nonrepresentational art for your Jewish masters or something?
>>8010931>the tranny pedo chingchong cartoons are so heckin based and nonjewish, fellow goyimpost foreskin
>>8010930>>8010923>>8010902First, show your anime drawings using the cited Western masters that you guys so much recommend.
>>8010975You turn>in b4 doesn't post work, only insults
>>8010937you have been on this website for too long
>>8011038I actually draw anime. You did not post anime, you posted western cartoon. Post an ANIME art using the methods of western masters.
>>8011078>I actually draw anime. You did not post anime, you posted western cartoon.Nice "because I say so" bullshit
>>8010867>AnimeNot anime, don't matter.
>>8011078>I actually draw animeYou wanna try that again?
>>8010975I can not find it for the life of me, but I'm pretty sure yosuke murata has used literal images of hogarth in his manga. Does anyone else know what I'm talking about? like I'm positive I've seen that before
>>8011038>>8011078i kneel, pedos
>>8011078Do you have any full figures? I'm actually curious.
>>8011080Anon, that is almost a disney coded drawing, look that face. Also, as correct as the body is, that ain't anime body. Even Murata doesn't draw such western-encoded legs, and he is very anatomy-pilled.If studying a western master gives this type of result, then I'm good.
>>8011138>arbitrary criteria made up to insult someone elselol, keep coping
>>8010867Always the children who don't want to work at art that refuse to listen to what the Japanese have to tell them
>>8011161First, I am not coping. Second, there were no insults thrown (I only insult /nodraws/). And finally, no criteria were made up or arbitrary. I asked for an anime-style drawing, which is how Japanese do, without the westoid aspects. I was provided a good, but western encoded, drawing.If you study western masters, you develop a western drawing style, the end.
>>8011170Stop shilling this nonsense. Every art course or school in the world brings up these books. It is the academic path, anyone who becomes an art TEACHER will bring this up.Mangakas copy manga and anime, copy their favorite artists, and copy stylized art since younghood. By the moment they get to a formal anatomy book, it is just a supplement. If you want to learn anime, you study anime.
>>8011138>If studying a western master gives this type of result, then I'm good.Oh, boy. Is this really a hill you want to die on? Who do you think they study then? Manga? Style is not anatomy, same way a wood house is different in Japan vs France.
>>8011078Not to be rude but the form in his is better than yours
>>8011175>professional animator recommends loomis>"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND IT'S JUST ACADEMIC THEY ONLY STUDY ANIME FILTHY WESTERN ARTISTS ARE FORBIDDEN"
This whole thread is such a weird cope because the japs watch and draw western propertiesHere's Yoshinari Yoh drawing Jenny from MLaaTR
>>8011182Here's Ohishi Masaru drawing Atomic Betty
>>8011175>younghood
>>8011184Here's Hellboy by Kazuki Takahashi
>>8011186The eel monster in the 1st chapter of One Piece is very heavily inspired by the eels from the Little Mermaid
>>8011187Said eels
>>8011187> Toriyama drew pictures since a young age, mainly of the animals and vehicles that he was fond of. He remembered being blown away after seeing One Hundred and One Dalmatians (1961), and said he was drawn deeper into the world of illustration by hoping to draw pictures that good.
>>8011178It is better, but it is western. I don't want that. I want anime.
>>8011188Here's Spider-Gwen by Murata>>8011189IIRC Tezuka was inspired by Disney, so in a very real way all anime is Disney influenced.
>>8011191Also notable ins Miyzaki being inspired by Moebius, and they had an exhibition together in France in the mids 00s.Said Miyazaki;>Through Arzach, which dates from 1975 I believe. I only met it in 1980, and it was a big shock. Not only for me. All manga authors were shaken by this work. Unfortunately when I discovered it, I already had a consolidated style. So I couldn't use his influence to enrich my drawing. Though, even today, I think he has an awesome sense of space. I directed Nausicaä under Moebius' influence.
>>8011195Whoops, forgot the image.
Why is one(1) guy who obviously spends zero time drawing allowed to spam the board with East vs. West troll and ragebait?It's the same retarded crusader who posts the low resolution meme by the way, and he's active on /jp/ if anyone else knows who I'm referring to
>you coping, hurdur, you copingThey say so, as failing to provide meaningful evidence.For over a decade, I followed asian artists from the /prebeg and /beg/ tiers in pixiv and other platforms on their journey to draw anime. Rarely saw any studying of any Western anatomy book.Thankfully in this day and age we have chad Krenz to save the day with actual knowledge that helps people learn to draw ANIME.
>>8011196Here's Peni Parker by Hoshino Fuuta
>>8011198Why can't you just go draw and stop shitting up the board man, nobody cares about what you have to say.
>>8011198Technically, that's not anime, it's manga.
>>8011195Miyazaki/Ghibli is not anime. He doesn't even like anime.
>>8011198indeed, by doing actual studies of real people
>>8011197Same reason there's a thread for one anon to post half-assed doodles and a general dedicated to another trying meth: the board is dead.
>>8011200Street Sharks reference from Space Patrol Luluco, so likely Imaishi's idea>>8011197Mods won't ban people for being obnoxious anymore. And even then, purityfags are a weird bunch of autists who are completely detached from reality...see >>8011204 here, lmao. I can't fathom the mental gymnastics to make such a statement.
>>8011210Is anyone surprised Horikoshi is into capes?
>>8011201Just don't engage me. Also, stop shilling Loomis to anons wanting to learn anime.>>8011205Exactly. Not Loomis, or Vilpu, or any western master shill. He studies by copying and applying fundamentals and has full classes about it, retard.
>Asian artists being inspired by western media>Western artists being inspired by eastern media>Anon is surprisedAre we seriously having this discussion? I refuse to believe you're that mentality stunted. Most of you faggots wouldn't know what studying drawing means, unless it fucked your mother and made you watch. Anime, not anime, western, it's all down to skill-issue, literally. This whole thread is either cope or bait.
Why does Loomis mind rape so many people? If there was a secret "learn to draw anime without the fundamentals" pipeline wouldn't anime one: look better and two: be the default mode of drawing?
>>8011212Gashigashi is technically an illustrator, so i guess that makes this fringe related to the thread? Still, Peanuts.
>>8011222Oh, how could I forget. Japan liked the Powerpuff Girls so much they made them into animes.
>>8011223Stitch too, for some reason.
>>8011210>I can't fathom the mental gymnastics to make such a statement.By having literally hundreds of hours into watching Miyazaki movies as well as his interviews. But mostly, Ghibli is the greatest animation studio in history and has a unique aesthetic mostly influenced by Miyazaki style. Miyazaki LITERALLY criticizes animators that study other anime rather than real people. Saying Miyazaki is anime is actually an offense to his body of work.
>>8011224Spider-Gwen and Batgirl by Rariatoo>>8011227>Miyazaki LITERALLY criticizes animators that study other anime rather than real people.He's not just talking about aesthetics there, but how otaku reject relationships with other people in favor of fantasies. So much of the meaning of his statement went right over your head.
>>8011209Yeah you're right. I stopped by after a year of not being here to see if things got any better but no luck. See ya
>>8011232Whatever headcanon you want, anon. Posting Japanese drawings of ANIME inspired by works from the West does constitute a counterpoint. They did not study Hampton or Hogarth.
>>8011244The best part is you are the exact type of person Miyazaki was talking about.Have fun, anon.
>>8010867frieren braps
Gentlemen I don't want to alarm you, but this thread was made by a person of the basketball persuasion
>>8011321You didn't need to tell me OP didn't finish middle school, I could tell
>>8011078This is fucking trash. Needs more Loomis.
>>8011038>>8011078GestureHEROES... Nikolaides-sensei... how my chest burns with pride!
>>8011063go back to masturbating to chinese drawings of prepubescent children, fellow aryan
A thread where the 2 faggots arguing actually posted their work? Is this the same /ic/ I grew up with?
>>8011390Some of us draw
>>8011393not well tho
>>8011395Oh, there it is! Knew you had it in you.
this is what japanese art looks like without western influence
>>8011436japs need western influence to draw animewesterners need jap influence to draw anime
>>8011198>>8011173>>8011190reminder this troll literally not once had ever posted their work
meanwhile, a h-doujinshi author:
apparently a kyoani animator isn't drawing 'anime' according to this faggot nodraw
kill yourself nodraw
weeaboos are completely living outside of reality
>Hogarth is not anime
>>8011481Seeing that model makes me want to figure out how to operate a shortcut keyboard with my toes so i can draw and fap at the same time
>>8011481The people who say that they successfully learned from X book almost all had talent to begin with. These are the people where you just have to tell them “think in 3D boxes” and they just go “oh I get it!” and start doing everything perfectly.No book or course is actually made with STEM brained people in mind. One where the teacher actually walks you through examples of common mistakes and shows you how to analyze what actually went wrong and how to avoid making that mistake again. Successful artists seem to basically not think like that at all, with their hyper intuitive brains they’ve never “analyzed why they made a mistake” in their lives, either that or they’re crabbing and hiding the information.
>>8011552STEM brained people do not need their hands held through spatial reasoning problems lmao. So tired of you incels pretending like your debilitating handicap is ackshually a sign of immeasurable IQ. No it's actually just a sign that your brain is mush and you have no niche because your IQ is 89.
>>8011555I have a degree in computer science (from 2014, long before AI) and have worked as a professional software developer since then
>>8011562Thanks for the non sequitur, great use of your Claude's time
>>8011552Geometry is part of STEM???
>>8011576>>8011562
>>8011565Ok let me rephrase. I am a gay retard. Most drawing books are written for people with healthy functioning cognitive faculties. What I want to see is more books for gay retards like me that hold my hand and explain things in a gay retarded way, because it’s been really difficult for me to follow along even with the “step by step” demonstrations in most drawing books and videos. I find that even very tiny mistakes can snowball into everything looking totally wrong, so it would be helpful if teachers could acknowledge that identifying and correcting mistakes is an integral part of the process too, and show examples of how this actually looks in action. I really feel like I’m doing most of the legwork of teaching myself, and the books and videos just serve as a vague signpost. This is all probably because I’m gay and retarded.I just want to advance the conversation by identifying how different people’s brains work differently. Not trying to brag about my IQ. Jesus fucking christ.
>>8011628This indictment of your IQ definitely means you've been doing help desk for a decade and calling it software dev
>>8011480I did post my work in this thread. Also, I don't remember scanlations of Hetappi, but not only is it a remake of Toriyama's work (which Murata is a huge fan of), it also had a bunch of interviews with other authors. Does not change my point. They learn by copying manga/anime, and any formal book is used as a supplement. It is basically different forms of >>8010416Let me question you, though: did you actually read what he said in these lessons? Loomis is an iconic book worldwide, that is why he uses this reference in the panel. But he does not say to study or copy Loomis anywhere. As a matter of fact, Murata explains how he practices and... Oh, he provides a simplified version of real human 3D form, a stylized mannequin, which he practices moving around. C'mon anon, you did not confuse that as Loomis recommendation, right? RIGHT?/ic/ translation BTW: https://www.scribd.com/document/612343064/Hetappi-Manga-Kenkyuujo-R-Part-2-IC-Anon-z-lib-org
>>8011519Ok, this one is a good counterpoint.
>>8011664I write code with hundreds of thousands of users for a company you've heard of.It legitimately wasn't supposed to be an IQ flex. I just think different people's brains work differently, that's all. If I'm retarded because I can't understand drawing then that's fine. Replace all the mentions of "STEM brain" with "retard brain", it legitimately doesn't matter. I just want someone to put out drawing tutorials that actually make sense to me.
>>8010867>>8011078>>8011038>>8011269 none of you pass, it's not about whom you study it's about what you draw and consume. Studying shouldn't impide your ability to draw anime. it's a mental thing, most westerners haven't consumed nor grown up with Anime to understand its shapes and lines. To draw Anime you NEED to draw anime, the only way to do it it's by doing it, you can learn to draw anime without even touching fundamentals, it will still fucking suck most of the time if you don't have talent tho, but you should still be able to pass as "japanese".western masters and fundies add to how well you draw in general, but it will not teach you how to draw anime at allmost westerners don't pass cuz they haven't consumed enough anime/manga , they haven't spent enough time looking at drawings made by japs. this is the same reason why Chinese and Koreans artist are easy to spotyou can be the greatest artist but if you haven't drawn anime you won't know how to draw it>all of this assumes you aren't retarded nor have been mentally raped by something else ofc
Worst thread on the site rn lowkirk
>>8011688>t. Nodraw Log of unc dont you have pedotoonz to be watching?
>>8011191>Blacked DEI approved Spider Girl drawn by a japanese manGrim as grim gets, glad to see the world end.
>>8011702how does your pic of westaboo asian nigger refute his point?
>>8011712Keep observing it carefully and reflecing. Learning is more valuable when it's earned, not given.
>>8011688I do pass, fully. Mine is purely anime, and you wouldn't be able to tell otherwise. I already tested this multiple times in the past with anons, and if I don't tell, they assume it is a Japanese artist, so suck my dick and go read more manga/watch more anime. But more than reading and watching, it is to analyze and copy them.You vomiting things about talent shows how long the road is ahead of you. You have tons of manga to read outside the big popular bubble. Many, if not most, Japanese mangaka aren't even talented.
>>8011702that IS my work silly
>>8011718you do not pass, idk which of the three you are tho. anyways, you missed the point about talent, I just say that you could figure out how to draw anime by literally only drawing anime, but that didn't meant you will be good at fundies unless you got lucky or put in the effort required to learn fundies. Talent can be real without dispiriting the people putting real effort. real effort is the key word there, effort isn't meaningful learning if you aren't doing it smartly.
>>8011718NTA but two of those are /beg/ scribbles and one is noticeably western, so, sorry. I'm not trying to be mean, I just think it's important to be able to look at your own work honestly and evaluate where you are so you don't stagnate. None of those drawings could pass as an anime frame or manga panel in a professional work. That's the standard we're aiming for.
You feel like giving up drawing because of such toxic vibes; the Japanese won't care how accurately you draw in their style, if they find out you're a gaijin, your drawing might as well be Mickey Mouse to them.
>>8011858I don’t think most people here are chasing the Japanese audience per se, I think they just want to draw anime because it looks nice
>>8011686>I write code with hundreds of thousands of users for a company you've heard ofTranslated: "I forward jira tickets as a contractor for infosys"
>>8011628Unironically your best bet is to study anatomy and perspective, do life drawing, and watch people draw. Identifying mistakes is about knowing what went wrong; anatomy for figure, perspective for most other things. I can't emphasize how big life drawing is for learning to draw; everything is there in front of you, you just have to accurately replicate it on paper.You're going to have a harder time finding artists actively pointing out and correcting mistakes, because after a certain point you either incorporate them, draw over them, or otherwise just move on. Mistakes are typically addressed at the sketch stage or not at all, so if you can find some videos of people drawing from start to finish, where they show the sketching process, you'll probably get some mileage out of it.Shy of actually getting someone to mentor you, yeah, you ARE going to be doing a lot of the heavy lifting of the learning process.>>8011688>it's not about whom you study it's about what you draw and consume.kek, I mostly read manga and watch anime, and draw anime. Crazy. But I guess I don't pass because some anon who doesn't know anything says so.I don't draw fanart often anymore and when I do studies of anime I usuaully drop in my OCs in place of the characters(pic related).>>8011858Don't take /ic/ as the norm, the people here are fucked up.
>>8011792this one >>8011038 could pass as a yoshinari doodle of some western cartoon
>>8011906My dude I appreciate you saying that but there's no way my crappy doodle could be passed off as Yoshinari's workThanks though
>>8011906Yeah I was gonna say that's the best one of the three lol. It's not "anime" but if you told me it was from a Japanese dude's sketchbook I could believe you
>>8011688This guy really really sucks at expressions. Unfortunate affliction but I've seen it in plenty of low-intermediate artists.
>>8011996ankle bitter
>>8011688when are you posting on your blog again
>>8011688You're an asshole. You said I didn't have this so called "talent". Yet I still draw anime more than your loser freinds. Beylego. You guys suck
>>8012039Bro you have to accept that you’re beg if you want to improve, idk what else to tell you
>>8012044I don't know how to go on; she just drew, completely ignoring the center of the facewhere are the eyes? The eyebrows? The forehead? How am I supposed to draw this anatomical disaster properly?
>>8011688This line of logic will always be so funny and stupid considering how much of the animation process in japan isn't done by the japanese anymore. Even if you exclude foreign key animators a good bulk of the inbetween and clean up is being done SEA
>>8012001What? I don't really come to this board, just stating a truthful opinion. He should work on that since he seems to have a few of the basics down.
>>8010867>Hogarth>not anime>Loomis>not animeDoes he know?
>>8012073you illiterate motherfucker, I literally said you could pass if you tried hard enough
>>8011160>>8011164>>8011174based Bert Dodson
