Why do conservatives like kitsch styles of painting?
I've heard different explanations for what kitsch is and I've decided that anyone who uses the term unironically is a cynical faggot that's trying to infect me with a toxic world view
retarded samefag
>>8015984it looks ai
>>8015986Kitsch is one tl;dr marxist analysis and one jewish paycheck away from being high erudite art.
It's mainly because it's expressionist realism. It's simple landscapes that give a cozy and homely feeling, but still rooted in reality. You could potentially find locations like this in the real world, but not really. Think of it as romanticism, but for modern times, which to art people is not really all that interesting, as it's explicitly non interpretive.
>>8015984Thomas Kinkade has a more illustrated style and he worked in acrylics so his paintings have a less blended feel, but the subject matter is still Romanticism. Unlike the 19th century school of painting, that elevated nature and creation as a subject of awe, Kinkade paints a kind of civilisation based Romanticism, where nature is still appropriately elevated but there's also a focus on lifting up the subject of the American town. Especially the small town, with its quiet people in quiet suburbs, living lives that aren't particularly noteworthy but are still beautiful in his art. It feels like he's a kind of bridge between the original interpretation of Romanticism, holding nature as a subject of artistic beauty, and the realism and humanism of American illustrators like Norman Rockwell, who found artistic beauty in everyday lives of everyday people. Although Kinkade feels like a natural step in the school of American Romantics specifically, due to the fact that the Americans (despite living with the most sublime examples of the natural world, IMO) seem to incorporate an edge of civilization into their artistic expressions of God's work. A good example of this would be Jasper Francis Cropsey, who painted great American vistas, but didn't neglect the human element (pic related).Kinkade's work feels less refined than Cropsey for sure, but not spiritually disconnected.
>>8016029Here's an example of plein air painting by Kinkade that uses a less illustrated style. It's the same subject matter he usually paints, but the colours feel less hyper-saturated and the lighting is a lot more relaxed. It makes for an interesting comparison to his usual work. The man may have been kitsch as fuck, and was illustrating a world so exaggerated it felt like pure fantasy, but you can't deny the man had artistic chops. He just liked what he liked.
>>8015984Because it's an great ideal.Good looking nature, good house, no blacks around. Why ? It's literally heaven for white.
>>8015984Kitsch, though often childish in simplicity, is often an ideal we'd all love.As the anon above said, the example painting is of a cozy house in nature, it feels safe and secure. It's often very traditional in values.I'm sure if you boil down most kitsch art, you'd find it's similar. It's very optimistic. Cheesy, but optimistic.Given what conservatives as a philosophy stand for; preserving what is good, it makes sense that such idealistic art would be up their alley.>>8015986Only if they use kitsch as a negative. I like kitsch art -- it's charming.If you rag on kitsch art, you might as well rag on children's picture books too.
>>8016029OP isn't kinkade, dumb jeet
>>8015986Before I got into art, I only heard the word kitsch used colloquially to refer to interiors and fashion characterized by an unsophisticated jumble of jarring details and colors that made the thing an eyesore, basically something a gypsy, turk or indian would like.Like if you'd enter this actual unironic turkish restaurant, your mom would make a face and say "ugh, what kitsch".Basically the aesthetic equivalent "brown hands typed this post"
>>8015984Because it's safe. It's soft and comfortable, like a nice old blanket, hearkening back to a mythical time when everything was "better.">>8016029Honestly, Kinkade seems like kind of both more and less fantastic than the romantics. The colors are more exaggerated, but the overall feel is less like an expansive grand world and more homey. This >>8016038 honestly seems more romantic than his normal work. Where did you find this? I would be down to see more of his non-mass market stuff, what I've seen is pretty good.>>8016067But obviously inspired by him, retard.
>>8016075i like this stuff but i dont have the skills/iq for this level of random bullshit go
>>8016029>>8016038None of this is kitsch. The entire issue with kitsch >>8015984 is that it's cheaply and quickly made with bulk sale in mind so there is little to no thought put into anything in the piece. What colors should be used? Fuck it, all of them, who cares if it clashes all over the place for no reason or purpose. What values should be used? Fuck you, all of them. What do you mean pull focus? Nah, full detail on every single object from the edge of the screen to the middle of the screen and hard changes in value all over the place, who cares if there is zero flow. Is it rural? Is it industrial and commercial? Fuck you, slap some birds in v formation like you are a five year old doodling your first house AND a shiny new car. We're in the forest but that doesn't mean you down mow your cabin's front lawn to suburban regulation. Middle of the afternoon? Doesn't mean you can't have some morning-esque mist on the lake. Exactly what time is it? Sunset baby, Beer o'clock, but the kind of sunset where the sun is still halfway up the fucking sky.5pm you say? Better crank those cabin lights up, hit the lumen-boost so that somehow they are reflecting in the water just as bright as the fucking sun. Where's the rest of the orange sky in the water's reflection? Up your fucking ass. What season? You think I give a shit which way the Earth tilts? We're fall spring and summer all in one. color those trees whatever you want, slap the kid in a heavy parka because it's winter too, no happy accidents if you do whatever you want. Trees growing straight out of solid rock? A massive lake not flooding into a 20 foot pond 3 feet lower? What are you the physics police?
>>8016279tl;dr AI slop before AI slop
>>8016075>Basically the aesthetic equivalent "brown hands typed this post"lmao..
Yes, yes I do.
>>8016056>Given what conservatives as a philosophy stand for; preserving what is good, it makes sense that such idealistic art would be up their alley.(modern) conservatives don't really have any coherent philosophy. but basically it's because the art represents an idealized time to RETVRN to.
>>8016029>>8016219I WISH he was known for his fantasy art
>>8016067It's so close I would have no other guess but Kinkade
>>8015984You have to remember that conservative Americans are an odd breed of rural right-wing when you compare them to their Asian, Latin American, or European counterparts. Your usual rural right-wing conservative (from other countries) doesn't typically like this sort of painting because they don't place emotional value in the singular home, but the community as a large series of neighboring homes.American conservatives specifically like this sort of painting because outside of what the thread has already mentioned, it represents what they literally desire above all else: a home atomized from other homes. The home itself is the sole source of community for those who live in it, with nature completely in service to the needs of the family living in it. It is completely irrelevant that the various aspects of the house and everything in it are interconnected and part of a greater whole. To the American conservative, the house exists independent of all other things. As to why the subject matter of these paintings is always rooted in reality? Because the conservative has a damaged relationship with their inner child and their past. The house they grew up in was nothing like this. It may have been too small and overcrowded, or too big and empty. It may have been in an awkward or stressful part of nature. It may have been too cold or too hot. It may have even been inhabited by people who weren't very kind to one another. But the conservative was never really exposed to something better during their youth to pine for and they saw nothing but upward social mobility as they grew older, so clearly, the sort of life they grew to THINK they always had must have nothing inherently wrong with it or in need of fixing, right?
>>8016673That a whole lot of assumptions there, bucko. Some people did have a wonderful upbringing.
>>8015984idyllic
>>8015984Because they're nice with no tranneis or niggers anywhere.
>>8015984What annoys me about these kinds of paintings specifically, more than anything else, is that everything is super lit up and bright and yet EVERY FUCKING LIGHT AND POTENTIAL LIGHT SOURCE IN THE HOUSE IS ON. EVERY SINGLE ONE. God fucking forbid that you don't have every single potential light on at all times or a single window that isn't at maximum possible brightness like you're in the middle of an open house for selling a home to prospective buyers. I really like the summary provided by >>8016279 .>5pm you say? Better crank those cabin lights up, hit the lumen-boost so that somehow they are reflecting in the water just as bright as the fucking sun.
>>8015984They have submissive cattle genes that's why they are Christcuckservatives and not simply racists
>>8017159my neighbor unironically blasts spotlights 24/7
>>8015984It's very much like AI. That's part of why conservatives like AI so much.
is that a loli
>Not all treatment of the painting has been positive. Dwight Macdonald called it "kitsch" in an article in the Partisan Review (left-wing small-circulation quarterly "little magazine" dealing with literature, politics, and cultural commentary published in New York City, launched in 1934 by the Communist Party USA), writing "Why after all should ignorant peasants prefer Repin (a leading exponent of Russian academic kitsch in painting) to Picasso, whose abstract technique is at least as relevant to their own primitive folk art as is the former's realistic style? No, if the masses crowd into the Tretyakov (Moscow's museum of contemporary Russian art: kitsch), it is largely because they have been conditioned to shun 'formalism' and to admire 'socialist realism.'" Art critic Clement Greenberg (best remembered for his association with the art movement abstract expressionism and the painter Jackson Pollock, born in the Bronx, New York City to middle-class Jewish immigrants) subsequently popularized Macdonald's phrasing in an influential 1939 essay, "Avant-Garde and Kitsch".[13]
>>8017286To call Repin kitsch is so disingenuous
>>8017258How's your curry today?
>>8017286>Macdonald was born on the Upper West Side of New York Cityhmmmm
youre asking a board full of anime loving kitsch faggots and trannies that want to be the next coomer god
>>8017316That wasn't a pro-AI post, Rajesh.
>>8015984It's not that they like the style even though you could link some of the themes to conservative values, whoever lives in that house either voted for Reagan at every opportunity or it's his homosexual fuck cabin where he brings supple cuban eromenoi on "hunting trips" but then those guys vote for Reagan, it's that they hate what the left does so much they latch on to whatever wasn't painted by a communist, a homosexual or one of those melanin types.The works of Leyendecker, Sargent or Francis Bacon we're often featured in rightoid edits praising the indomitable Western spirit but now that everyone knows they were gay as balls instead of it being niche trivia you'll more often find them saying that faggot JC was spreading pedophilia through his accursed artstyle, just look how soulless those eyes are, how those men have homosexual proportions and how dogshit that drapery is, surely this is racially impure art by a megajew.If leftists went all in on AI slop to generate Sonic stomping on ICE agents or something they'd praise the sober and quaint watercolors of some tradwife somewhere.
>>8017892can i just say that i hate leyendecker
>>8017892can I just say I love Leyendecker
>>8017899closet homo >>8017912pervert homo
>>8017914Can you even call yourself an artist if you're not a fruit of one kind or another?
Better vision on average, "kitsch" is what undiagnosed partially sighted people used to say to refer to work who's details, color gamut, or design was too fine for their 20/60 vision to appearciate.Conservatives on average spend more time in the sun and less time doing neat work (desks, screens etc) so their vision does not decay as fast as leftists, Asians, and other groups that dislike "kitsch" It's the same reason they like hot dogs and guns.
>>8018026why would working class people who spend their time outside give a shit about the tiny, intricate details of a painting? have you ever heard anyone like that praise the detailwork of a piece?are you just hoping that people will believe what you're typing because you pretended to be confident while typing it?
>>8018098Read the post again. it's all English and you might discover my actual meaning on your own if you are willing to read the post without projecting your imagined meaning onto the clear and carefully arranged words. If that doesn't work let me know and I can ask ChatJippity to to simplify it for you.
>>8018026I work in the trades and I can tell you have soft hands. Probably a soft brain too.
>>8018106That's cool. Bet it pays well. Maybe start working in art if you have questions like this though.
>>8018026These things called "glasses" exist
>>8017421You're not getting your H-1B visa, Sadique.
>>8018156There are also these things called "hearing aids" which exist, and people who need one often have different preferences for what makes sounds pleasant, both as a result of their ears particular defect and the resulting personality that forms around living with a defective ear for an arbitrary amount of time as well as the limitations of the technology used to help the defective organ. This defect in the organ for hearing, the mechanical fix we use to help people with such a defect, and its resulting preferences is analagous to the defects of the organs for seeing, the mechanical fix we use for people with deffective vision and the resulting preference differences.Does that help the lil zoom zoom understand?
>>8015984Conservatives can't into anything with a modicum of psychological depth which is why they gravitate to art which is safe, garish and familiar.
>8018213>words words wordsThe right cannot meme
>>8015986I'd say it is simply "out of place", something that doesn't mix well with anything because it would steal the attention to itself by simply existing.
>>8017914no, i ike the other gaylords, just not this one in particular, something about his style, values and colors
>>8016673It's just a lakehouse bud. You see the boats on the roof rack of that car? You wouldn't store a boat on your car if you were there permanently. It's a family visiting a lake for a holiday. >American conservatives specifically like this sort of painting because outside of what the thread has already mentioned, it represents what they literally desire above all else: a home atomized from other homes. The home itself is the sole source of community for those who live in it, with nature completely in service to the needs of the family living in it. It is completely irrelevant that the various aspects of the house and everything in it are interconnected and part of a greater whole. To the American conservative, the house exists independent of all other things. Ok but American conservative artists paint idyllic towns as well. (See pic related by Kinkade). I think you're assigning a lot of fear and repression to your perception of the conservative mindset because you're grasping for a political tangent out of some pre-programmed inclination to lash out anything resembling the opposition. I think this kitsch art just hit you with something you don't truly know how to grasp, because your cynical worldview has been so devoid of it for so long. Sincerity. Finding nothing to be pessimistic about in this work, you defaulted to trying to investigate it for a kind of hidden repression and paranoia under the surface. But sometimes nice art is just nice.
>>8020121fake sincerity is more damaging than honest cynicism
>>8015984Conservatism (at least the American kind) is kitsch itself. It doesn't really believe in anything anymore, and is almost entirely reactionary. The only goal above all else is to project superiority as an aesthetic, but refuse to interrogate the aesthetics they idealize past bare visuals, so expressions of that aesthetic ideal comes off as naive and childish.You also see it in edgy teenagers who convinced themselves they're communist or trans or whatever a week ago and it's suddenly their whole life, and it's equally as trite.tldr, conservatives like kitsch because they don't have to think about it.>>8015986Kitsch is art that mimics the aesthetics of a thing, while ignoring the context that makes that aesthetic meaningful. Kincade, for example, is riffing on the visual cues of American romanticism, but has an ignorance of nature that comes off like the naive interpretation of a wilderness cabin by someone who's never been outside a manicured white-picket suburb.
>>8020121It's sincere in the same way Disney World is a sincere deception to play along with. If you can't humor it for a bit you're a bore. If you think it represents anything profound or truthful you're downie tier retard.Kinkade crams every bell and whistle into his composition along with that theme park glow.
>>8017312I can see where he's coming from
It's less about the art, and more about what ownership of the art signifies.
>>8016803Why was I banned for saying basically this but this post gets to stay up
>>8021403I think it's a mix of the american Ideals and the kind of christianism that grew up in america that has this "heaven on earth" appeal. It's been in the imaginary of Americans for centuries and it manifests in every ideology in different ways. It's like the haunted vaporwave aesthetics, it tries to evoke a feeling of a world that doesnt exist in a world that exist, but you can "see" it if you put a filter on it.
>>8021725It's definitely in there, but I think the difference between someone like Kinkade and the Romantics is simply that Kinkade doesn't 'get it'. He's going after the same kind of awe and grandeur, but has no idea where to aim it. And so it feels like out of place worship of extremely pedestrian subjects. Big beautiful mountains are tucked away in the corner as background decoration, focus is on the perfect manicured lawn and theme park vacation cabin with indeterminate varieties of cartoonish trees sprinkled around it.
>>8016075>Basically the aesthetic equivalent "brown hands typed this post"this website is the only place online which gives me a laugh
>>8017262>*tiny, barely noticable, abstracted figure*>IS THAT A LOLI!?!?!? IM. GONNA. COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
>>8021872>*tiny-UOOOOOOHHHHHHH ToT
>>8021539To be honest it's a terribly pointless term to describe something as superficial and lacking depth, you can ascribe it to anything if you really want to. It's main purpose, in the way it's used by the modern art establishment anyway, is to denigrate figurative skill-based art and elevate so called "avant-garde" art, e.g. banana on wall and signed urinal.
