Like when a cartoon or comic has an artstyle that is "ugly" but in an appealing and funny to look at way.
>>8024110In the west at least, a unique style like anything on the left is usually attributed to one artist. That means the artist has the power and is partly responsible for the fate of the show or comic. Corporations dont want that, they want their IPs to be like formless thinsg that any cheap artist they hire can do. The concept of needing skilled humans to make art is already a huge pain point for companies.
>>8024110Interesting. I feel like this has something to do with the lesser popularity of pure cartoony cartoons. As in, animation that is supposed to be funny and entertaining because the drawings themselves are funny and entertaining. Trying to make a funny drawing naturally leads an artist to making something ugly in a funny way. Meanwhile, modern animation, even for kids, seems to be more dialogue driven.
>>8024116>>8024117Makes sense for the modern industry to hate funny-looking art given how samey and cheap all modern cartoons are, but I don’t even see a lot of indie cartoons with those kinds of styles, at least not mainstream ones.I do see a lot of indietoons with Newgrounds-type "ugliness" (Smiling Friends, Meatcanyon, Space King, etc.), but even I feel like they don’t look as unique as the old artistically ugly shit like Spumco, Klasky Csupo, Liquid Television, Underground Comix, Spike & Mike, Soviet cartoons, etc etc
>>8024110the styles on the left are very expressive and are probably harder / takes longer to animate because there is more detail in the display of ugliness
>>8024110If something similar to something on the left was released today you’d get weebs on Twitter bitching about how ugly western animation is or something.
>>8024110Well, given that everything on the right is animation, I'm guessing it's because they're all (except family guy) probably puppet animated/tweened animated shows, whilst all the animated shows on the left were frame-by-frame.Why puppet animation seems to necessitate having absolute dogshit 2D models is beyond me, especially when the earliest example I can think of, "Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends", had a pretty great and distinct art style.
>>8024134The interesting thing is, Beavis and Butthead don't seem more complicated than Brickleberry characters, but they still seem more "cartoony".
>>8024143Beavis and Butthead has a distinctive grungy artstyle that utilizes caricature in its designs and nice-looking backgrounds when Brickleberry is just another ugly Family Guy clone. B&B actually has visual identity to it and is interesting to look at in a way rather than just apeing another dogshit looking cartoon.
>>8024110>CIA cultural warfare program art, then>CIA cultural warfare program art, now
>>8024110The ones on the right look stale and safe
Maybe we Millenials just got tired of your grotesque boomer humor?
>>8024166Beavis and Butthead and Ren & Stimpy are funnier than any millennial humor slop cartoons
>>8024166name a single funny show that would go on the right.
>>8024110We need more younger artists that can appreciate shit looking grotesque and funny, like me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRPxao3e_jY
>>8024110I don’t find anything on the left to be ugly at all, everything on the right feels less 'ugly' and more 'bland'.A cartoon that looks actually ugly would be something that has those bland corporate stylistic sensibilities combined with intentionally ugly designs, like Big Mouth. Problem Solverz is another ugly cartoon for how it not only has cheap animation and hideous designs but is also an aesthetic mess in general.
>>8024110Both are corporate goyslop, it all has been since Walt Disney and his banalization of European fairytales, just that the standards have gradually lowered.
>>8024232I still to this day can't believe this shit got greenlit
>>8024232I’d also say a lot of beanmouth cartoons are examples of shit that’s actually ugly.
Caricature artists have become offensive in the industry. Good for artists to practice but most likely ignored as a skill these days, because someone can take it the wrong way.
>>8024110I have a theory that many of those shows use that ugly style to make it clear that they're aimed at adults. I imagine some executive insists that every sitcom aimed at adults should look like Family Guy or The Simpsons, so that little Timmy's mum knows her son shouldn't watch it. If so, it's yet another example of how bad parenting is ruining everything.
>>8024586The Simpsons influence really held back adult animation. Family Guy and Rick & Morty only damaged it further.
>>8024246>Both are corporate goyslop, it all has been since Walt Disney and his banalization of European fairytales
>>8024232>Problem Solverz I unironically enjoy the aesthetic. It's maximalist, loud, and abrasive, but I disagree that the designs themself are "bad". A good example of artistic ugliness.
>>8024110certainly something to be said for an overall shift in perceived appeal of "ugly" art, but largely id say it has to do with the decrease in animation quality. most of the ones on the left are simply better cartoon artists, the right are just animation slop workers. despite cartooning being a simpler art style, its not like it doesnt have its own skill levels.also bear in mind the large teams involved in modern animation and the work crunch, an easier (technically) to draw style that also is barely different from the last show they worked on is easy to make quickly and look cohesive between artists.i also think the general shapes have a lot to do with using high smoothing and line correction but i have nothing to back that up
>>8024712For as much as the Problem Solverz is a headache to look at, if I’m gonna give it credit for one thing, it’s unique, most modern ugly shows are just genric beanmouth slop or family guy ripoffs.
>>8024246>Treasure Island is corporate goyslopYou literally don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
>>8024110the pipeline for it got streamlined. They looked at family guy or rick and morty and started aping either art style. Istg I'm not going to watch a majority of these shows on the right, safe and bland art styles all around
>>8024110Your show's artstyle serves a purpose, it doesn't just look like that because you happen to have hired the guy who draws like that. Take the common trope in comedy shows where everything looks like Baki or a Liefeld comic for a few seconds, they didn't outsource it to some specialis, your crew could draw the whole thing that way if they wanted and if you paid them to.Recent cartoons depend far more on the writing than older ones, most of the stuff on the right could have been live action and apart from being crazy expensive and everyone involved with Big Month getting instantly jailed or shotIt'd work. As such they need simpler styles not to detract from the dialogue while EEnE needs its style because the jokes are mid on their own but the character imploding makes them funny.
>>8024951>Your show's artstyle serves a purpose, it doesn't just look like that because you happen to have hired the guy who draws like thatSometimes I worry that making artstyles that fit the show is becoming a lost art too, pic related.Like for example Hazbin Hotel is set in hell so you’d expect it to look dark and gritty but it instead is some neon pink shit.
>>8024110Crumb. Crumb started drawing ugly with a surgial precision and it went downhill from there. Other artists have a goofy charm to them but his his stiff and calculated.
>>8025265Crumbs "ugliness" was derived from Fleischer cartoons. He cited a lot of 1920s-1930s cartoons as an influence.
>>8024110Honestly? Less straight white men in the industry most likely has something to do with it.
>>8024169Ey fuck that. beavis and butthead and ren & stimpy are millennial shows. I watched them as a kid.
>>8024232The problem solverz was a mistake to watch high just now
>>8024246I don't think I've ever heard anyone dislike those old disney movies
>>8025367>beavis and butthead and ren & stimpy are millennial shows.I assume they mean shows made by millennial.
>>8025377Oh I think you're right
>>8025121How can you expect them to make an artstyle suitable for the story they're telling, when they have to have to choose between the same 2 or 3 cookie cutter animation art styles.Animation should look wildly different with each new series, because it's a handcrafted visual fucking medium, but instead we're getting styles so homogeneous that you could mix and swap characters and environments, and no one would be the wiser.Meanwhile if you but Eddy from EEnE into Samurai Jack, it'd be obvious.And don't think this is a purely western phenomenon either.
>>8025395>And don't think this is a purely western phenomenon either.No one's thinking that. japan has some of the most samey animation on the planet.
>>8025398>No one's thinking that.Trust me, on this site, plenty think that.
>>8025121>Like for example Hazbin Hotel is set in hell so you’d expect it to look dark and gritty but it instead is some neon pink shit.Cause this is an anime thing.
>>8025121Yeah but hazbin hotel is also a musical where everyone sings happy songs about how cool it is to be a lesbian, self improvement and all that stuff. If it looked like a Bosch painting or those Divine Comedy engravings that have carried the black metal scene for decades, and had Reddit accurate angels the last thing you'd want to see is the characters trying to fuck one another or sing.
>>8025422Vivzies artstyle is more inspired by Disney, Tim Burton, and Jhonen Vasquez than it is by anime. She’s just safe edgy, and tumblr-pandering by heart.If she wanted to make her show set in Hell look gothic she should’ve just full went in with the dark atmosphere, kinda like Jhonens 90s work did.
>>8025376Pretty sure Stravinsky, the only living composer whose music was used for Fantasia, complained about it when it released. People used to be more serious, the mindrot didn't start with zoomers.
>>8025509Many rebellious boomer cartoonists viewed Disney as being the kitsch of animation, especially their modern films, but they never hated their classic films. John K and the other guys from Spumco despised modern Disney, but they never hated him their classic films, John praised the designs of Mickey and friends and many of their 1930’s shorts while also liking Bambi.
>>8025546My entire point is that boomers were the brain rotted zoomers back then, and because of their childish example we all went downhill from there. Stravinsky preceeded the boomers, he wasn't a boomer. Boomer =/= old people, it means the generation that originated mid 20th century.Art peaked long before any of this, so you're all fighting over which gen has the stinkier turds.
