Proof that art is something only a few talented peoples can do and an innate traits >Michelangelo di Lodovico>At the age of 13, Michelangelo was apprenticed to Ghirlandaio.>At the age of 21. On 4 July of the same year, he began work on a commission for Cardinal Riario, an over-life-size statue of the Roman wine god Bacchus. >Bramante, who was working on the building of St. Peter's Basilica, resented Michelangelo and convinced the pope to commission him in a medium with which he was unfamiliar, in order that he might fail at the task. He created the Sixtine chapel fresco.>Michelangelo's work transcended that of any artist living or dead>Michelangelo was often called Il Divino ("the divine one")>Pioneered Mannerist architecture.>He did not consider himself a painter, Michelangelo created two of the most influential frescoes in the history of Western art
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>>8028896so it took 8 years of intense tutoring at the age where you develop skills the fastest for him to get commissioned, and I'm supposed to read this as muh talent?is talent your parents dropping you off at a master's workshop at 13?
>>8028896how does this prove art is something only a few talented peoples can do and an innate traits?
>>8028899Yeah, OP is full of crap. Unless you're profoundly handicapped, the average high IQ (130+) individual can pretty much learn any skill or trade they want and master it provided they put the time/effort into it. Hell, if they're constantly using their brain in creative/challenging ways and have the proper diet, they can still get better at problem solving even as an adult.For midwits (110-120 IQ), they NEED to go through the Laszlo Polgar method which mostly boils down to "your parents involve you in early and intensive training/studying/tutoring".You can see this in action with popular comics/manga artists. Lots of them started off as kids and many are incredibly skilled, but there's a reason we only have one Hirohiko Araki. There are even some mangaka who started in their twenties and their art looks fantastic while you have other mangaka who were drawing since they were kids and they get painfully mogged. And this is Japan where everyone has higher than average IQ thanks to iodine from seaweed and a symbol-based language.
>>8030935Like in my experience working with kids (from elem to high), the TAG/GATE kids get pretty damn good at drawing really fast regardless of age provided they either have a tutor or have figured out how to teach themselves. But you don't really see a whole lot of them because most dedicated arts classes aren't involved in TAG/GATE programs, and parents would rather their smart kids learn an instrument and get music lessons.The artsy kids aren't usually the bright ones, they're typically midwits who either got early tutoring or autistically dedicated themselves to art, but that really means their art isn't as good as it should or could be because them being midwits means they: >don't work on their problem areas (certain fundamentals and subjects) and make excuses for themselves)>fall into the trap of excessively painting/coloring over learning values and light/shadow first>get really hesitant about drawing from life or using references or meaningful tracing or memory/cognitive drawing (active recall)The proof of this is basic IQ distribution between boys and girls. Typically, most people making fanart in fandom spaces or who are doing grunt-level stuff in animation are midwit women. Meanwhile, the moneymakers are boys who specialize in niche stuff with high rewards (porn) or who actively make the effort to graduate from grunt-level stuff. Smarties.
>>8030935>An IQ score of 130 places you in the 97.7th percentile on the standard intelligence scale
>>8030935>the average 95th percentile person can...no way
>110-120IQ is midwit nowmidwits are 90-100IQ. You call them that not because they are the world's average. Midwits as in the casual term, tend to be higher educated but they are not smarter; they just have too much information they cannot process and default to dogma for their intellectual activities because they go crazy easily.110-120IQ already means you have higher pattern recognition and problem solving than the average. 130IQ is not that much different from 120.Huge differences start around 140-150IQ but the higher the IQ the more likely the chance it will be accompanied by some sort of issues like autistic traits.It's why chess players usually are in that range, because their pattern recognition and mental foresight are somethin on par with schizophrenia for the average normie/midwit.Anyway, no amount of high IQ, talent or skill guarantees success, if the environment and possibilities don't offer opportunities.And high IQ doesn't equal success; life ain't a videogame.
>>8031085>t. midwit
Sage this thread. Type Sage in options. Doomer faggots aren't welcome in /ic/.
>>8028896>we've moved from Asian jeans to Italian jeans
>>8028896your knowledge of history is trashwhat youve basically said is that Michelangelo from the ageof 13 was surrounded by the masters of the rennaissance and lo and behold that experience produced a great artist.exact opposite of your post.fucking dumb ass
>>8031085>>8031079>>8031064>>8030938>>8030935fuck off and go read some history, iq cunts
>>8031097>t. /beg/wit
>>8031097history says that 90% of people with any relevancy had top 1-5% iq, seethe
btw if you have higher iq you have 1/3 the odds of dying prematurely.Not all men are created equal, seethe.
>>8031100>>8031099>>8031098lol iq bros seething that they arent in quality nurturing environments
>>8031099kek im sorry where does Vasari discuss Michelangelos or Raphael's iq? did they take a test? i just cant remember seeing that in my studies.
>>8031101pyiq or fuck off. i entertain enough low iq people irl
>>8031104youre not entertaining at allhow could you?
no yous for low iq people. take a look at the iqs of significant people in modern history, that sample is significative of the iq of people from hundreds of years ago too.
spamming insults on the internet and trolling when met with new information is the 90IQ coping mechanism
>>8031107do you think da vinci was INTJ or ENTJ? because these metrics really matter, dont they?
>>8031108so hi iq cant into the embarrassing irony of your own statements
so subversive, many clap clapsits always subversion with normies like you
its not an insult, it's an observationi get it you can't tell the differencehere, have some tits
>downloaded ai bullshit off a booru for this ownlets see how he controls damage now.
>>8031112>>8031113damn thats some hi iq shit
>>8031111>>8031113>post 8 seconds apart>anon fucking knew he was going to get a "no u"midwits are so ez to ready like the books they claim to love so much
>>8031120>midwits are so ez to ready like the books they claim to love so muchthinks thats a clever thing to sayFUCKING LOL HI IQ
>NOOOOO UR NOT HI IQ BECAUSE UR ACKNOWLEDGING MY EXISTENCE EPIC TROLLED GOTCHA SCHIZO MELTYplease, do go oni need to write a memetic paper on the behavior of worms
>>8031125gif making is a life choicedid you choose that?
i dunno, how many decades +5 years have you been making the wrong choice?
>>8031125>NOOOOO UR NOT HI IQthis
i pwn all of you
>>8031132shut the fuck up elon you couldnt even stick your limp dick in grimes
How much would he pull on Patreon?
yes, keep replying to me
>you're so dumb i will keep giving you attention and insults hehehehehehhe r u insecure yet?i can literally shit in a can you'll slup it up
hi iq schizos on the spergscreencap it.
>>8031142>self ownjesus hi iqs are so fucking stupid
>>8030935>average high IQ (130+) individuali like how you can tell when someone is low IQ an obsessed with iq because they think its a personality type like intj so they throw around random numbers with no awareness of what they mean
>>8028896>was apprenticed to Ghirlandaio.so he wasnt talented enough from his cunt mothers vagina straight up, he actually had to... learn? huh. weird! i guess youre just looking for an excuse to not draw, faggot
>>8031692what he meant to say was, as long as youre not brown or a nigger in a nicer way, ranjid. hope that helps!
>>8031085so smart
>>8028896anyone can learn art if they start at 13 and truly enjoy it and their life depended on it and there was no social media or jew media to distract them.
>>8033131wrong, sub 90 iq people cant even compete in unskilled labor. do you really think 90-110 can compete in art? literally the most intellectually demanding profession?
>>8033148pyw and IQ
>>8033149its bold of you to assume i can draw, and my iq is somewhere below 100
>>8033148>renders for another 5 hours
>>8033240schizophrnic much?
>>8033257only when i fuk yr mom
>>8031085midwit always struck me as 110-120, so I htink I agree with that anon. At least when I first began seeing the term, it was used to refer mostly to people who comfortably operated at 1 level of counterintuition, but struggle to go beyond that. if the middle of the bell curve represents 'common sense' then the midwit is slightly above average IQ. at least insofar as IQ is a suitable measure of this particular trait that midwit memes are memeing about
>>8033767midwits have nothing to do with IQyou can put them in the average IQ, but they're just overeducated retards
>>8033816>t. subwit
>>8028896I have seen furry/futa/sissy porn artists living a better life than most of these artists who starved to death.>>8030935IQ is retarded concept. Your IQ literally depends on past experiences and is not something you are born with.
Cringe thread.
cringewitting spheres deep inside the bell curvemathematics
>>8034418they literally iq test babies, coping retard
>>8028899As with everything in life its almost certainly a mix of both but autists like putting labels on everything
>>8034418actually iq by the time you are middle aged is wholly determined from birth.Iq is actually bullshit because it doesnt measure "intelligence" but factors like competitiveness and a very simple level of engineering, its very much about being a person that likes to take and "game" tests, deviate from that, get a lower iq result.You are just not going to measure intelligence through testing, financial success alone would be more strongly correlated.>but the g factor is very strongly correlated with iqlol
>>8030935Based optimist.
>>8030935the IQ required to learn anything falls drastically when your own desire for knowledge is supplemented with a like-minded community
>Michaelangelo>Talented and born artistGuess he didn't have to suffer through it like any other mortal..
Nigger thread
whats even the point of these threads. if you dont want to draw anymore, just dont, retard. you dont have to come up with some cope that you can't 'cause of xyz, just literally do something else.
