I'm quitting this shit.I've been doing it for years. I guess the whole AI thing is part of it too, but mostly I just started feeling empty while drawing. The texture, the tactility, just isn't there. And what's the point? I finish a piece, post it, and then never look at it again. It feels like I'm just playing with a plastic stick and haven't actually made anything tangible.I guess some people still find joy in it because they treat art as a way of sending a message to other people. But I don't know. I just want to make something.I've been drawing in my sketchbook for a while now and it's just way, way more fun. It literally brought my love for drawing back.I also found these ballpoint pens from a Chinese vendor. You can get so much color just by layering, they're easy to use, no prep, work on thin paper, and they're cheap.I've tried a bunch of different mediums, but they were either a pain in the ass or expensive as fuck
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following a guy that uses color ball point pens and it always amazes me how much detail you can get with them
I've been thinking for some time now that artists should really be drawing traditionally more often... and by more often, I mean always, except when they're doing a professional job that requires digital assets.Let's say you make a a digital drawing and tonnes of people like it... and that's as far as it goes.Meanwhile if you made said drawing traditionally instead, you have a traditional piece to sell and can probably sell for a reasonably good price (depending on how popular the piece was).Even if you say that the digital piece can be turned into posters or merch... well, so can the traditional piece. The problem with such merch is that unless there's strong demand for it, it can be a waste of money that was never worth the investment, but with a traditional piece, all you need is one fan who is willing to purchase the piece, there's no more investment than that.And of course, there's all the other stuff about traditional just being more fun to draw, expanding your skill set, so on and so forth.
>>8035189>Let's say you make a a digital drawing and tonnes of people like it... and that's as far as it goes.No? Tonnes of people like it means tonnes of people follow me, some percentage of those follows are going to like my stuff enough to commission me, the more followers I get the more demand there is the more I can charge, or frankly the more I have to charge. This is way safer than trying to sell a piece too since the money is exchanged before the drawing even begins. If I switched to traditional my income would be way more speculative and what I could draw far more limited as it's essentially a different skillset. I could maybe do line art and base colours with marker or watercolour, which themselves are finite materials that need to be replenished as is the paper to draw on. More importantly than any of that though is I just don't think theirs anything wrong with digital.
>>8035144>Does anyone else find digital art isn't fun anymore?I never fully went digital. I always tried to keep it trad mostly. For me digital is great to learn because it removes the stress and fear of ruining a work. The fear really can mess up your productivity in trad big time.
>>8035234>some percentage of those follows are going to like my stuff enough to commission me And this isn't possible with traditional because?>the more followers I get the more demand there is the more I can chargeAnd this isn't possible with traditional because??>This is way safer than trying to sell a piece too since the money is exchanged before the drawing even begins. And this isn't possible with traditional because???>If I switched to traditional my income would be way more speculative How would it be more speculative than digital?>and what I could draw far more limited as it's essentially a different skillset. Yeah? No shit. Imagine a trad artist saying digital sucks because it's more limited... and it's more limited, because he can't draw in it well, because it's a different medium and skill set. You're being completely unreasonable.>I could maybe do line art and base colours with marker or watercolour, which themselves are finite materials that need to be replenished as is the paper to draw on. And you could make that money (and then some) back by selling the pieces made with those materials, which is the original point that was made.>More importantly than any of that though is I just don't think theirs anything wrong with digital.It was never said that there was.Honestly though, this is some of the most inane babyshit reasoning I've ever read. Not a single argument you made was even worth considering, and comes down entirely to your preferences. Just say you prefer digital and don't want to give it up, and stop with the overly verbose excuses.
>>8035276>And this isn't possible with traditional because?>And this isn't possible with traditional because??>And this isn't possible with traditional because???Never is it even implied that it isn't possible, that is a direct response to the quoted text.>How would it be more speculative than digital?Selling works you've already created is necessarily going to be more speculative than directly being paid to create something, you imply as much yourself.>can probably sell for a reasonably good price (depending on how popular the piece was).Yes you can do traditional commissions but that's not what you're post is about>Yeah? No shit. Imagine a trad artist saying digital sucks because it's more limited... and it's more limited, because he can't draw in it well, because it's a different medium and skill set. You're being completely unreasonable.your post literally says artists should be drawing traditionally always>And you could make that money (and then some) back by selling the pieces made with those materials, which is the original point that was made.Never is it even implied that this isn't possible>It was never said that there was.your post literally says artists should be drawing traditionally always>Just say you prefer digitalI literally say thisLine by line replies are so fucking retarded, just call me a faggot next time and move on.
>>8035300>Never is it even implied that it isn't possibleTHAT'S THE ENTIRE IMPLICATION OF WHAT YOU WROTE! If you're writing those as reasons as to why you're staying with digital, then the IMPLICATION is that it's something that traditional cannot do.>your post literally says artists should be drawing traditionally alwaysYes, I said I think that, and then give the reason for why I think that. The reasoning being entirely financial, as you're able to always profit off your work, by turning every social media drawing into something that can always be sold, which is something that digital artworks posted on social media can't always do, even when accounting for merchandise like Print on Demand. The reasoning, at no point, involved 'digital bad'.>Selling works you've already created is necessarily going to be more speculative than directly being paid to create something, you imply as much yourself.I'm assuming you're talking about speculating how much you can charge for the social media drawings, and yes those are speculative, but it's always going to be more than $0, which is what you currently get with digital.If we're talking commissions, which is what you were talking about, and which was the topic in the quote I was responding to, it is still a completely reasonable question to ask how it's any more speculative than digital.>And you could make that money (and then some) back by selling the pieces made with those materials, which is the original point that was made.>Never is it even implied that this isn't possibleIt is IMPLIED though, because why would replenishing your materials be an issue, if not for the cost? Are you suggesting just obtaining the materials is that much of a hassle? Is going to amazon and clicking buy, that difficult? Obviously not. Even for the offline, buying materials during the weekly shop isn't an issue.>just call me a faggot next time and move on.I'll be nice and call you a cool guy, but I'm still moving on.
>>8035144Is it hard drawing with an .8mm ballpoint? I like the needlepoint pens that are .5mm, mostly frixion pens
>>8035361it's not hard at all, the bigger the point size the bigger your drawing should be. Now if you don't like to draw big then it might be a problem.
Never been fun.If you want to create something, it has to end up on a real media. Use your fag board for sketching. If what you do just end up as a few 1 and 0 it on a hard drive it was a complete waste. Real painting and drawing is fun and its a great feeling when you can hang something you created with some paint and a few brushes that can last for 100s of years.
what the hell are you even saying.Traditional painting sucks.Drawing traditionally ia cool though.
>>8035144I don't find digital fun but I also get extremely frustrated with my crappy "traditional" art supplies. There's no in-between. If only our stationary are the same as Japan's.
>>8035144i feel the complete opposite. i started drawing with paper and pen for the first part of my career, and i hated how chaotic and messy it felt. i hated the grain of the paper, the scratchiness of the pencil, the smudge marks and paper crinkles. a computer drawing or 3D render is pure: perfectly uniform on a mathematical level.i tend to enjoy pixel art. i make schematics for starships and i love the meditative feeling of outlining floor plates and then working my way inwards with shadows and highlights and glowy lines like an onion.
>>8038297autistic retard
>>8038745explain to me exactly why my opinion is "wrong" then, use your words
>>8039878autism
>>8039895autists have a higher level of consciousness. anything made by an autist has attention to detail that normies do not notice. all good art is autistic
>>8035144I think trad is generally better. but not necessarily. one thing I notice about digital vs trad is my pencil does'nt bug out or get errors. but the pencil doesn't have an undo feature.
>>8039999it really depends on your stance. like >>8039895says, i am an autist and the imperfections inherent in traditional mediums bug the shit out of me, but most people consider imperfections inherent to a given medium as "SOVL" and actively attempt to replicate traditional artifacts in their digital art to emulate the aesthetic of traditional art.that being said, i can draw badly drawn anime faces with a pencil but i struggle to even draw stick figures with a digital tablet. i'm much more comfortable with pixel art and blender animation than i am touching a pen to a smooth board with no mechanical feedback.
>>8035144I’ll always have more fun on paper, but it’s hard to beat the convenience of digital. Just being able to whip out my portable tablet anywhere with no setup is so convenient and comfy
>>8038297I used to prefer digital until I got a tech job. Now I only do trad to get tf away from screens.
>>8039999>but the pencil doesn't have an undo feature.Wait until you find out what an eraser does, it'll be a game changer for ya.
