The consensus on this board is pretty radical, some argue that you need to be born with the talent, or else you'll never we good, others say that everything is a question of time and practice.In my opinion talent saves you time learning stuff I guess, but you still need to have artistic vision i guess to produce something of value. With enough time and patience everybody can learn the technics. What do you guys think?
The question is not worth considering.
Talent or not, most people are ngmi.
Talent, to me, is just a matter of how easy it is for someone to 'get' something, or adapt to it.A person who has never drawn, but has incredible talent for it, is not going to draw a better picture than someone with only some talent but who has applied a lot of effort in learning.However, someone with zero talent will unfortunately just not be able to learn. We've seen those who claim to have put their best efforts in, and assuming they're being honest, can only draw amateurish blocky figures at best.Not everyone, despite their efforts, can become a competitive athlete, and not everyone can be an artist. Art is, however, a lot more forgiving, as it is so much more adaptable. You may not be able to draw as well as someone more talented, but your unique vision and style makes your own your uniquely appealing. Meanwhile an athlete can only compete in the same way as someone more talented.However >>8042240 is correct. Regardless of talent and ability, most are ngmi. Some of the best music I've ever listened to, are from bands who most will never know. Some of my favourite artists a nigh completely obscure. I doubt they profited from their efforts. However, unlike the anon posting this, I don't think this means it wasn't worth the effort at all.Was the work only ever created for financial gain? Or did you have something you wanted to express and leave behind? I think such efforts are valuable in of themselves, even if there is nothing gained from them.
>>8042232It's simple really anon. You can either spend your entire life caring about what the consensus is, or start following your own path. What's it going to be? LET THE POWER OF YOUTH EXPLODEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxGRhd_iWuE
>>8042232I honestly think it's mainly a mentality and practice difference between those who can and those who can't. I'll make an analogy to learning something else, like a second language.If we look at the amount of weebs who try to learn Japanese and quit, given the failure rates, one might conclude that you need some sort of hidden talent to learn languages, but in the case of languages we can know that this isn't true, as most of the population in japan manage to learn the language.Most people that don't make it have a mentality that demoralizes them one way or another. Like if your self confidence and ego takes damage when you can't do everything perfectly from the start. Which can lead to unorthodox or bad practicing methods, like someone trying to learn Japanese by memorizing every word and character before they even dare speaking the language with someone else, just to avoid looking stupid.Drawing bad and feeling like a talentless retard is something everyone goes through, your mentality decides if you have a loser mindset that convinces you that it was impossible from the start, or if you see an incremental path forward.And yes, if you immediately think that neuroplasticity is the reason adults can't while children can, it's this defeatist mentality that's the actual culprit, not your inability to learn.Unless you are actually special needs and live with a permanent caretaker and can barely speak your first language, you can learn to draw at a decent level. I think the majority people who fail and call themselves talentless got stuck running in circles doing something unproductive (like trying to learn every word and rule before trying to speak). While the majority of those the talentless claim have talent just happened to gravitate towards more productive practice methods (like just trying to speak the language, picking up grammar as they go).
>>8042232How much inflation-adjusted money have you spent on (or been given) equipment and materials? If you're using software, are you using the same setup that an advanced or professional artist is already using, or do you keep the default settings and hope for the best?Do you have any medical or physical conditions that advanced artists don't usually have, or are you missing any that they usually possess?Are you learning through the same channels that advanced artists have already used? Are you spending money on learning?
>>8042232Why not both? The only ones saying talent is more important are those who don't want to practice.
>>8042249>>8042289Holy shit I'm not reading this. You faggots need to post a drawing NOW!
>>8042232>talent saves you time learning stuff>but you still need to have artistic visionTrue, but as you are implying, talent comes before your artistic vision.If you have artistic vision, but no talent, you will never be good, no matter what.
>>8042455>If you have artistic vision, but no talent, you will never be good, no matter what.How cooked are we anons?
>>8042232Talent exists but I think it contributes wayyyy less to growth than people claim it does. I think the headstart it gives you is negligible if you've been drawing for a year or so and compare yourself to somebody who's "talentless".I think the most relevant thing for growth and something that people conflate with talent a lot is passion.
>>8042232>>8042249to add to this discussion, art has a lot of mediums and i've found pixel art and blender animation to be easier than freehand drawing 2D, mostly because i've completely cut out any aspect of the creative process that requires fine motor skills or visualization, two things that i've always struggled with. i floundered for a decade making shitty pencil sketches, but it took me only a couple months to make a character walk cycle in blender using a premade asset, be able to navigate the interface, and render it out. all i needed for help was a few youtube tutorials and occasionally chatGPT for specific questions.artists who "aren't making it" should try to find a medium that they work well at, and a subject matter that they're interested in. drawing the human form is a lot harder than drawing vehicles or mecha stuff, for me.
>>8043021all different names for determinism
>>8042232Genetics can give you an advantage but you'll get nothing you want without a plan and the drive to see it through. If you can't manage to teach yourself, get a teacher or make friends with artists who DID manage to teach themselves.I was dogshit at drawing until I took basic art classes in high school that boiled down to the teachers using art curriculum rooted in the DRSB book. I really sucked at drawing and I know I was bad at it because my dad was gifted and showed natural talent in third grade whereas throughout the entirety of elementary school, I couldn't draw from imagination even slightly. Here's my advice:>DRSB, the Art of Responsive Drawing, and Jason Brubaker's Cognitive Drawing as must-buy books.>don't do chicken scratch and jump straight into continuous line drawing>spend more time looking at your subject/reference/model than your paper, you NEED to build that memory >get plenty of quality sleep to make your long-term learning stick (eat tomatoes and kiwis before bed)>focus on gesture studies during your first year of drawing (line of action dot com really helps with this)>dedicate 30 days across your first day to drawing nothing but lines, then 30 days of shapes, then 30 days of forms (you don't have to do this all in a row, space these days out)>draw connecting shapes>draw VERY big and draw VERY small>start off with pencil and charcoal and then when you're comfortable, go to ink and pen>have a strong understanding of light and shadow before you do values and then color>draw from life and photographs, then draw from comics and manga>to level up at perspective, draw your immediate surroundings from various positions>try other mediums or hobbies that complement art (sports, photography, puzzles, music, Legos, chess)
>>8042232>>8042235>>8042249>>8042289Doesn't matter cause the industry is dead
>>8044150I would also recommend meaningful tracing. Print out artists you're already studying, carefully observe the references, then outline their works. Then put it away and draw from memory.(You may also break the ref down into simple shapes and forms).Let's see...you're also gonna want to try and simply draw the entirety of a subject of focus and THEN work on the smaller parts. Like if you want to get better at drawing people, break (clothed/naked) bodies and skeletons down into simple shapes. Take note of proportions. Then focus on individual body parts and features.
>>8044155>>8044150Doesn't matter cause the industry is dead>>8044155>>8044155Doesn't matter cause the industry is deadDoesn't matter cause the industry is deadDoesn't matter cause the industry is deadDoesn't matter cause the industry is deadDoesn't matter cause the industry is dead
>>8044156Who gives a shit about the industry? Real artists do it for the love of the game and to bring their fantasies to life, not make money.
>>8044158Delusional retard. Ask Grok if you want to have the same discussion for decades.it's not like science can answer the rage bait, no we need to discuss the same thing foreveeYou are low IQ you will never learn how to draw anyways
>>8044159pyw crab
>>8044162say that again without crying.
>>8042232>What do you guys think?I don't understand why this is even a problem to youwhy do you draw? why do you want to draw?I draw because I enjoy drawing. I go to work and I doodle on my notebook all day. I get home and I sit down and doodle on my ipad. I wake op on weekends and I jump out of my bed to go drawbeing talented or not, being good or not doesn't even cross my mind, I enjoy the work I do, and I'm constantly day dreaming about doing more work. and it's work only I can doa lot of these "am I too old to start drawing" or "how long does it take to get good at drawing" or "is talent a real thing" feel so alien to meshut the fuck up and draw. but I don't need to tell you that. if you enjoy drawing then you will. if you're not drawing, then you clearly don't enjoy it. so just stop. get the fuck out and stop thinking about it
talent just means IQ. ability to retain memory and perception. the rest is hard work. no matter any potential, if you dont do anything, nothing will happen
it's not binary. it's the same bell curve. 10% completely retarded and will not be able anything , 10% are freaks with god like powers, and 80% will do fine pro like stuff after sufficient training
>>8046612truethe problem is that algo-driven social media feeds you the top 1%
