>>8046021
Nothing, Krita is a fucking miracle. It made history.

Tool does not switch to eraser if you push the button mid stroke

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>>8046021
No fucking brush stroke thumbnails like every fucking other software does. WHY DO I NEED TO SEE THE ACTUAL FUCKING TOOL I WANT THE STROKE AND I DON'T WANNA SWAP PNGS FOR EVERY SINGLE FUCKING BRUSH

>>8046021
Does things different that literally every other piece of drawing software for no reason
Strong "I'm not like the other girls" energy, reeks of desperation

>>8046021
I have no idea how to use krita's clone stamp, or how to deselect, and the workflow for liquify seems so awkward, and sometimes I forget if the tool is on eraser mode, but otherwise I like most things about the software

>>8046021
I hate that's it's free, art should be gatekept by wealth (unironically)

>>8046021
I'd be using it if it weren't for the fact that it does everything backwards like a big fuck you to all other art programs. Tell me, why is it that I can pick up any art program and use it immediately without changing much, but with Krita I have to customize so much just to get it to function normally?

It's the equivalent of a video game making YGHJ the replacement for WASD and then your left mouse click being the melee button and the melee button your regular click button, then making the space button be the scroll button for good measure. All because why? Because fuck you, that's why. Not even blender does this bullshit. Its shortcuts are more akin to literally everything else than Krita. Like why dude? Why? I want to like it so bad but I just can't. If it's "made by artists for artists" I never want to meet these supposed "artists". It feels more like a linux contraption where you spend more time tweaking the actual software itself than actually using it for its intended purpose.

Fuck Krita. Could have had such a good fucking program but out of principle I will spite it for trying so hard to be fucking different.

>>8046189
Blender used to have a retarded keymap and layout, then they swallowed their pride and switched to industry standard and exploded in popularity.

Krita maintains that their layout is "logically superior" once learned. They're egotistical cunts.

>>8046201
>industry standard
>each adobe shit have different keybinds
aight then

>>8046021
this is the only art program I’ve ever used so i feel like I’ve dodged a lot of problems that other people in the thread have highlighted, feels gud

"Tools" and "brushes" are separate things seems "powerful" at first but it's just annoying when you are actually trying to get shit done. You switch to a bucket tool, and it's using your last "brush" setting, which might cause some texture or blend mode to flood, instead of a generic dumb fill by default, so you are forced to switch your brush too. You want to switch back to a pen tool, you also have to switch your brush again. This would work better if when you switched to a tool, it would also have an associated brush memorized for it that you last selected for it. Every time you switch tools, you'll likely have to also switch brushes. 2 actions every time where it would be 1 in most other programs. This "2 actions" thing creeps up in other parts, like if you want to use a specific transform, you must first switch to the general transform tool, then you can pick the actual transform to use, and there is no way to create a shortcut to the specific transform (like mesh, free, distort, etc.). This gets extremely grating when you switch tools often, even more so when doing animations. The "10 brushes" plugin that it ships with halfway mitigates this because when you hit a "10 brushes" hotkey it can be configured to automatically also select the pen tool, because 99% of the time you want to select a brush, it's for using the pen tool. Their rational behind this is "muh generic workflows", instead of painting and drawing being the "critical path". Even though it can halfway be beaten down with plugins, some things still resist it, like the transform problem, because they don't seem to expose the plugin control for it. Also alpha inheritance: You want to pop out a quick clipping layer to do some modification? Fuck you make a group and throw the target and alpha inheritance layer in there then collapse it back down. Its so stupid they had to make an automated action to do this for convenience, which basically admits the flaw in the design for the primary use case

>>8046021
it's a nice program to get started
but I wouldn't consider it for actual work, more than a couple of times it crashed on me and lost considerable progress

>>8046210
same. the perks of being poor and born after Y2K. so many whiny booms itt lmao

>>8046242
You ever see someone who only uses FL Studio try to switch to other music programs? They can't, or struggle to. Why? Because FL Studio is different to the keybinds and workflows that people are familiar with. Krita is great, if you never plan on working in the industry. There's a reason that programs like PS and CSP are practically interchangeable for workflow, because those are professional programs that are used in the industry where people are expected to be able to just pick up a program and have it feel familiar. Programs like FL Studio or Krita aren't plug and play in that way. Which isn't to say that they're bad, but you're not going to see them being used by many professionals. They're more like freelancer tools and and professional's toys.

>>8046038
You know you can make the thumbnail anything you want? Just do a stroke

>>8046228
>which basically admits the flaw in the design for the primary use case
I think the idea is that it's more of a platform, than any rigid tool for one specific thing which definitely brings problems you've highlighted.
You can definitely just solve all of these by writing a plugin and a general solution would be to have some sort of "rooms" like Affinity does, for example. But so far I haven't started getting the same issues you do except for the straight line snap, where if you want tit to snap to guide lines you cannot just do straight lines without going back and unchecking guide snap. I would expect it to be more of an angle snap where you can go in any direction, but when you're getting close to a guide it'll snap into in.

But I'll take it over any other ass-fucking Photoshop or any other software makes you take. A lot of these complaints are just people being too encrusted in a legacy workflow. Photoshop, for example, used to have the same eraser mode as Krita. But modern users are literally too young to know about that

>>8046021
The rat that appears when you boot it up

>>8046189
>Tell me, why is it that I can pick up any art program and use it immediately without changing much, but with Krita I have to customize so much just to get it to function normally?
Because Linux. Seriously, this kind of shit plagues linux programs, the devs are borderline retarded at times.

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ive used krita, csp, photoshop and pain tool sai
ive stuck with krita the longest out of any of them with csp being second
it just werks, its not perfect but it does everything i need. the real kicker was the animation functionality, in csp you have to have the $500 premium edition to animate anything over 24 frames. maybe 3 crashes total in my whole user experience but it autosaves anyway so its not a huge deal regardless. maybe id be less forgiving if it were my first art program, idk

>>8046021
developed by trannies
ugly mascot
ugly UI

No matter what i try the brush drags behind as if i had the CSP equivalent of 70% stabilization on

>clipping mask
>horrible for inking
fuck you krita

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEvqqZ-hvMs

>>8046526
Are you using 6.0? Try 5.3 and see if it's still the same.

>>8046560
I'm on 5.2.9 and it's been like this forever

>>8046021

i use krita and i like it a lot (mostly), but there's a few issues i hate about it a lot:

first (and biggest) issue is the built-in "sub-pixel precision" designed for getting smoother brush strokes on lowres canvases that makes the circle brush tool never create perfect circles (important as a pixel artist). the way to fix this is to go into brush settings, find "sharpness", and click the box "align brush to pixel grid", which is not something that a google search will tell you unless you stumble upon the right plebbit thread, and the fact that an important feature is buried under multiple clicks is a reoccurring UI issue with krita. if krita has some shit not working, you must figure it out yourself in the same vein as blender fuckery. enabling this setting must be done with all brushes individually and it doesn't seem to make the ellipse tool draw perfect circles either. and i know if you click shift or some other key makes X = Y but because of "sub pixel precision" it still won't draw a perfect circle always. the ellipse tool is also very hard to get curves right if you want to connect two points with a curve because you cannot reposition an ellipse while you are in the process of making one.

krita also seems to have an issue with the posterization tool, which is useful for reducing colors to a set amount if you are trying to simplify an existing image into a convenient color palette. GIMP's indexing tool lets you pick a precise number of colors, but Krita's posterization tool is not consistent with the colors. the lowest setting is 2 yet that will produce 4 colors (black, white, plus two other colors). i don't know why krita's color indexer produces weird colors like yellow/grey/black/white.

i like to use krita's "color transfer" tool for turning images into silhouettes for quick edits, but sometimes it doesn't turn every color blue. sometimes there are other colors like a stray pixel of magenta and i'm not sure why.

>>8046680
(cont.)
krita's color to alpha tool will also sometimes ignore certain colors when set to level 1 (which removes only that color). one color it has issues with is the green line art color in the defaults. my assumption is that some of these colors have rounding errors with RGB values, but that's only a guess.

krita also sometimes dies on me. i've had that issue a lot less after switching to the snapstore version though. krita's "crop to content" sometimes won't crop to content and i'll have to manually trim a layer.

but overall, krita works and it's free.

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>>8046021
That it was made in large by a mentally ill troon who lost the ability to code because he took the safe and effective, thus making the project unsustainable into the future.
If you think substantial problems are going to be fixed... you might want to think again...

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>I got covid when I got jabbed, early 2022. In the vaccination centre.
>So I got sick. Really sick. For two weeks I had a horrible fever and was completely bed-ridden.
>The aftermath is worse though.

>I noticed my cognition was going down: I was (and am) getting dumber. Concentration powers going down. Getting pukey, and after that, shitty, regularly. Heart rates getting up into realms no blood pressure measurement machine could manage to measure. Having to lie down for days.

>Better soon? Bad days are getting increasingly frequent, and while I’l very good on good days, I cannot predict when good days will happen.
>There you have it… Puke. Runny shit. Lying down all day in a darkened room. Brain Fog. Every little thing you manage to do is an achievement. Heart palpiations. Doctors telling you you’re malingering. Good days when you’re doubting you are actually sick getting outnumbered by days you cannot even eat, only drink water.

>(And don’t ask me about how it’s when your nose if full of the smell of bin liner filled with the intestines of two-weeks dead animals.)

Pic related, bro is fourth from the right.

>>8046687
sir?

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>By the time the wedding ceremony was planned, I wouldn’t be able to boymode anymore, at all. No fitting clothes, and panicky fits when trying to wear them.

>So I decided to tell her. But it wouldn’t be fair to tell my children one by one, so I used the family whatsapp chat group for that. That was a big mistake! Eldest immediately sneered at me, though the middle one complimented me on my new name, and the youngest one reacted a bit cooler.

Pic related, old woman on the right is his enabler wife IIRC.

Do you REALLY want these people in charge of your art making process?

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>We still managed to keep Krita development up, but I would lie if I said that I was pulling my weight. And of course, in February dictator Putin started out on what would become his greatest war crime to date, the invasion of another sovereign country. His actions in Syria and elsewhere were, of course, already war crimes, but this was on another level. And also another level of sheer stupidity. You can have a working army, or a lucrative kleptocracy, but not both at the same time. Even Mencius already warned about that!

Bro chillin' on the right. Putin is apparently responsible for Krita being bad or something.

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>>8046695
>Eldest immediately sneered at me

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>Eldest immediately sneeded at me
Kekerino.

>>8046041
>Does things different that literally every other piece of drawing software for no reason
>>8046189
>I'd be using it if it weren't for the fact that it does everything backwards like a big fuck you to all other art programs. Tell me, why is it that I can pick up any art program and use it immediately without changing much, but with Krita I have to customize so much just to get it to function normally?

What things are you talking about?

>>8046424
>the devs are borderline retarded at times
>>8046687
Nuff said.

>>8046021
every so often the android version will randomly reload itself and delete everything since the last autosave.
other than that, basically nothing.

>>8046684
>blog titled Fading Memories
Very poetic for someone whose God-given nature and form is now but a fading memory...

>>8046562
What are your performance settings? Are you using angle or opengl for rendering? I had this problem when I was using my old graphics card but after upgrading krita became much faster for me.

>>8046711
i have the android version too. it has to be side-loaded off the internet though, google play store version will claim incompability but it's really just because it's a 1-to-1 port of the desktop version of krita and the user interface is not properly scaled.

the issue with android crashing out on you is an issue with RAM, my samsung phone has 4 GB and it will automatically destroy any task as soon as i back out, including clearing a WIP email when switching briefly to a new tab in firefox

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The best AI prompter program, 100000 better than comfyUI.

The drawing part is turbo dogshit, the brushes are not even close to PS standards and they don't have niche brushes like CSP does (gpen, real gpen, mapping gpen, huskygpen). OpenCanvas , CSP, PS are all way better than shitta.

Leadership is wonky. There’s no way to know exactly what’s coming, which doesn’t incentivize donations, and the sponsorships don’t seem to benefit anyone. The sponsorship from Intel yielded absolutely nothing worthwhile. It doesn’t help that there are members of the leadership with severe mental health issues. The current roadmap feels lazy. Not much is said.

Besides that, Krita is good software. It doesn’t get in my way when I draw, animate, or edit.

I would love for there to be better stabilization and dithering algorithms, but those are probably proprietary. What a shame.

>>8046707
It's random little things, like putting crop into a different menu and calling it "trim" instead, or making levels a filter rather than an adjustment layer. It's rife with shit like this, so if you're at all familiar with the standard setup of every other art program it's an annoyance to use at best.

>>8046784
>making levels a filter rather than an adjustment layer
but you CAN make a levels adjustment layer. All you need to do is add a filter layer and select it along with the rest of the options in the adjust menu.

So seeing as CSP just shat the bed and just betrayed you all for for card processors are you ready to apologize to Krita?

Still better than clip studio paint
https://x.com/i/status/2102757831812202839/

>>8047373
>>8047387
What does that mean in practice when they're mainly selling the program itself? Asset store got censored or something?

>>8047395
Israel will now have remote access to your entire system while CSP is open to see if you have any problematic materials

>>8047373
>>8047387
>>8047400
Still don't care. I'll still choose it over the pretentious Krita linux faggots and would rather start learning MS Paint or how to paint in blender than before I use Krita. Your comments make me want to double down even more on this stance since you're so desperate for a win you're gloating about something that shouldn't even matter to you if Krita was that great.

This board has taught me that pedophiles and brown thirdworlders hate krita and pretend its bad. This makes me love krita and continue to use it every single day. I GUARANTEE all the krita haters are so bad at art that if you saw their work you would care about their opinion in anyway. In fact- youd probably steer the other way

>>8047432
Pyw

>>8047438
Pyw

>>8047442
You're the one making hyuge claims big boy. That's why you should put your balls on the table. I'm not even invested in this, Im just curious if for once someone talking shit about other people's art skill actually has the chops to back it up. Remember, this conversation was about programs, you made it about art skill. Now either post your work or admit you don't

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>>8047438
Crop of a heron painting. If you think the program is bad you are literally just too stupid to use it

>>8047481
That looks great anon, but I think you're missing the points from this thread. Reading through, it's not that people can't figure Krita out, it's that for some reason Krita doesn't want to cater to the prevailing UI experience

>>8047481
Breathtaking

>>8047490
Its not that they cant figure it out. Its because krita doesnt cater to them. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight... so youre saying its a bunch of retarded brown kids that cant figure out a basic program thats a mirror of photoshop

>>8047493
>>8047496
Are you guys joking? It looks like fucking dogshit amateur garabge with horrible shitty brushes.

Like waht the fuck is the point of drawing shitty birds, it's not even well painted.

>>8047511
Pyw

>>8047513
*posts a dogshit bird drawing that looks like it was drawn by a 12 year old*

>>8047515
Its better than anything you have drawn or will ever draw. You know this in your heart. Your foul, brown heart, that hates beauty and nature. You are a classic example of a thirdworld ghoul. You hate animals. You hate nature. You hate anyone better than you

>>8047518
That can't be true, i love food. I just hate shitty drawings from ""artists""

>>8046021
This trans furry mascot with gnarly human hands

>>8047477
Pyw

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>>8047528

>>8046695
>Do you REALLY want these people in charge of your art making process?
Yes. I take it that this your first time seeing software engineers. I prefer them than "morally correct Christian right-wingers" who vibecode because they are humble and experienced.

>>8047520
How would paws hold a pen? Also pretty sure its a robot

>>8047566
you are right I'm wrong

>>8047566
You speak like an insufferable reddit faggit and have no work to show. Very cool. Please continue critiquing and offering your worthless opinions

>>8047643
>pyw
>posts work

HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN TO ME

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LMFAO wait, y'all nigs actually pay for fucking PAINT software? Kek. It's not 2004 anymore, unc!

>>8047683
this version is the only one with the uncapped animation timeline btw
big reason i use krita, animating is free and unlimited. just wish it had some tweening functionality so i could do shit like moving backgrounds steadily

Why are retards in this thread acting like you can't get a fully functioning cracked version of either CSP or PS?

>>8047915
Idk how

>>8047950
You could search the archives for PS or CSP crack and you'll find plenty of hits. If that still isn't enough, you could probably just type it into Google followed by Reddit and find legit links to the trusted sites people use. Piracy has never been easier. I suggest you start doing it before they crack down on all the free information and resources we have right now, paywall everything, and gatekeep information behind AI models you have to subscribe to. The time is ticking and it's coming sooner than everyone thinks. The flow of abundance in information and piracy, is coming to an end.

Holy shit, these replies are so /beg/
It's a little weird on windows but runs like a dream on Linux. I missed CSPs brush engine until I started messing with the mypaint and updated smudge engine.
Love the index painting, palletizing, and pixel perfect options.
Making custom brushes is easy as hell.
My complaints are for the android version, and the problems are because of Google.

>>8047683
paying full price for any software is for retards you can get csp for like 20 bucks

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The only thing I dont really like about Krita is their stabilizer options are kinda meh

>>8047768
>just wish it had some tweening functionality so i could do shit like moving backgrounds steadily
It does though somewhat. Open up you animation curves toolbar

Started with krita as my first program and never felt the need to switch, the brushes are alright and all I really use is ctrl + z, alphalocking and the odd transform ( all manually because i'm too stupid to use shortcuts). Are there really enough diffrences between art programs to justify this retarded consolewarring-like arguement I see parroted over and over again

>>8048504
Art programs are like operating systems. Can you browse your files, play games, and use the internet on any one of them? Yes you can. The differences are in the things that aren't so obvious unless you've been using a particular OS for some time; like installing programs (brushes), Bluetooth configuration (Tablet pressure configs),
or getting help when you're confronted with a problem (self-explanatory). What sort of things can you or cannot live with? Do you do animations? Comics? Something more Painterly? Art programs tend to stick to one specific niche that they excel at. CSP is pretty standard for comic creators, and Krita was once billed as a Corel painter competitor. Some prefer the simplicity of Paint Tool SAI, and for pixel artists aseprite is pretty much the king. It's stuff like that. I think most artists shouldn't marry themselves to one program and one program only for the rest of time. Then you get into situations like Adobe being scumbags or CELSYS nuking almost half of the assets store and you're just left there holding the bag. Always have a backup plan is what I'm saying.

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>>8047431
those are based programs, you should. always have respect to actual mspaint users (except its been modernized lately) and youd probably at least have a funny gimmick of being able to literally turn your canvas with blender

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>>8046021
The interface and icons
The whole eraser/brush bullshit these "genius" trannies decided should be a thing
The way clipping masks work and how I can't see at a glance which layer is a clipping mask and which one isn't like in photoshop
The shortcuts even with the "photoshop" preset it's still fucking stupid

>>8048962
also not being able to resize my brush by holding down a key and rmb and then moving my stylus either up/down or left/right
maybe this is actually a thing and I just haven't found the option for it

>>8047950
https://youtu.be/p9ytpvu6Mng
don't do anything described in this video btw

>>8047915
Last time my friends helped me crack CSP it gave me a virus that wouldn't let me use the taskbar so I had to back everything up and wipe my laptop. Reason being the site he gave me had become unsafe and I only found out after the fact when another friend told me that site's not safe anymore.

>>8046021
What is the cryta pet??? A robot or wtf???

>>8048963
In krita you use shift and drag to change sizes

>>8049027
it's a cybersquirrel, read a book nigger

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>>8048963
>>8049140
There is also Quick Settings Docker to make it better to change brush size

>>8046021
This shit isn't even the linux of drawing software it's the GNOME of drawing software I hate everything about this piece of shit garbage program and the retarded devs who make it

>>8046151
>art should be gatekept by wealth
That's impossible and retarded, at it's most basic art could be created with paper and pencil

>>8046021
When you're applying effects with the box open and changing settings they don't automatically generate on the canvas until you press ok. And I'm never going to get the settings that look the way I want the first time, so I have to apply the effect, look at it, undo, apply with different values, look at it, undo, repeat.
It's one of like three things preventing me from leaving paint.net

>>8046021
freehand path tool uses default mouse cursor instead of brush cursor and there is no way to change it and it triggers my autism.
outline "brush" should be brush setting instead of layer effect

>>8046021
it just needs an onboarding window for the people who cant read

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I'm not very much of an artist, but I need to do some image manipulation from time to time, and my perspective is coming from there.

>no adjustment layers
Instantly disqualifies Krita as a serious program.

>unsharp mask dialog has insane slider ranges
I might want the radius to be 0.5-2.0. The range is 0.0-500.0.
I might want the amount to be 0.5-4.0. The range is 0.0-5000.0.

Sometimes I write down my frustrations with Krita, pic related. I was trying to join two images side-by-side in to a single image. Such a simple task shouldn't be so painful. There are many simple tasks which feel painful in Krita.

>>8046021
That the paper manual is like 10 years/3 full versions out of date. Otherwise I like that Krita exists

>>8046029
This is a thing? What softwares do this? CSP?

>>8049458
Oh yeah, another thing. I have no idea how to set the fill tool to "non-contiguous". It has a setting for "stop at color boundary", and "contiguous", but seemingly nothing else.

>>8049458
Aren't filter layers literally the same as adjustment layers?

>>8046021
Krita is genuinely great software the only thing that pisses me off is not having separate brush switch for eraser. You can put it on keybinds but it's too fucking annoying.

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>>8048221
i don't use stabilizer at all because it's shit... i rather abuse my hand with constant undo until i get line i want but i agree they are not good compare to SAI or CSP.

>>8049515
oh...

>>8049464
>What softwares do this?
MyPaint does. inb4 the whole thread has a meltdown because it's not lItErAlLy PhOtoShOp either.

>>8046021
tried it more than a decade ago after getting sick of PS. it was slow, choppy and awkward
got csp a few weeks later and never looked back

>>8049611
>inb4 the whole thread has a meltdown because it's not lItErAlLy PhOtoShOp
No, it is some jeet or kike trying to smear this software because it is free and awesome. And it goes against their "shittify the world" agenda.

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>>8049540
A hidden feature in 5.3 is having keybinds for the stylus pen and eraser modes. "Select brush preset" activates your stylus main mode and "Select eraser preset" activates your stylus eraser mode, each of which remember the last brush they selected, so you don't have to specify brushes in TenBrushes. The only caveat is that the stylus eraser mode doesn't restrict it itself to eraser brushes, but it's still handy if your workflow mainly involves two brushes.

>>8046021
its fantastic
its free
works on linux
whats not to like?

>>8049878
>dude it's free and open source and it works on linux just ignore that it's also dogshit did you know it's free and open source?

>>8046021
As a poor brown third-worlder... I love Krita. It has grown across the years and using it on Linux is now smooth. There are minor things here and there, like some issues with the perspective tools, or trying to adjust some button that won't be adjusted right, some issue with the UI, but nothing like the "draw a circle in GIMP situation". The devs seem much more down-to-earth. More than Adobe extorting people. As for other software, I have only used Photoshop, and in terms of traditional drawing and painting it seems to me that Krita holds up. Krita being free makes it better, I actually have donated to the project. I luv U Krita!

>>8046025
Amen, brother.
It is a miracle, indeed.

>>8049685
>a decade ago
you should feel bad for posting

>>8046021
I installed Bazzite and gone through all the trouble of installing CSP on linux over using Krita. That's the sacrifice I am willing to make

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all the complaints in this thread are
>the lasso tool doesnt work in the hyper specific way i want it to, dogshit program!
like god damn are you guys autistic or something

>>8046021
>Spread love not hate nga

>>8046025
>facts

>>8050180
i think it was put pretty well earlier in the thread. programs like krita function differently on purpose and have no interest in following conventional ui/ux design. it's literally built different. u could pick up blender, ps, csp, sai, blender, etc and know how to get it to do what u want it to do within minutes if not immediately. krita is like fl studio, they're fine programs, but gl transitioning out of it to anything else.

>>8050195
i literally have no idea what people mean when they say this shit. i switched from csp to krita years ago and dont recall having a difficult time making the switch at all. i think i had to rebind 1 key due to muscle memory from csp but otherwise i used the program as it is. why should it take someone more than 1 day max to get accustomed to operating basic art software?
also very ignorant of you to include blender in your list of easy pick up and craft software when blender infamously has an incredibly unintuitive ui that many are filtered by. its seen improvement in the last few years but its still incredibly unwieldy to the point where the stupid donut tutorial is almost mandatory to learn the basics of navigating the thing

>>8050197
blender switched to ux that is similar to that of ps and csp, it was a lot more clunky around 2.0 something. what exactly did you do in csp? you can just show a screenshot of your keyboard shortcuts and id be able to tell if you actually have a workflow or if you just use a program like its plug and play and dont use its full capabilities

>>8050202
>id be able to tell if you actually have a workflow or if you just use a program like its plug and play and dont use its full capabilities
seems pretty subjective to me. what constitutes an effective workflow as far as keyboard economy goes? if it works, it works. i primarily use krita's animation functionality so the majority of shit i do with the keyboard is jumping between keyframes. i can do 99% of what i need with the buttons on my stylus and various combinations of space, ctrl and shift. on the rare instance im making a rendered image im only using 3-4 brushes which i can access by clicking a button on the stylus

>>8049976
you should feel bad for existing

>>8050180
>hyper specific way
no, it's just the way every other drawing program works and what people are already used to
krita is the one with the esoteric and hyper specific workflows

>>8050595
i honestly have no idea what you guys are doing in your art software to make this such a consistent gripe. it draws pressure sensitive lines with a brush, that's like 95% of the battle right there. im willing to concede that this is just a me thing, i really dont use many tools outside of the brush. im a simple man, give me my hard round and pen brush and im solid

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The only thing I hate is not being able to just plug photoshop brushes and get them working, other than that, it's a great program.

I think Tatyana Kupriyanova has some great works that show what krita can do

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>>8050180

>>8050607
To be honest, i think for most people it's two things. A matter of muscle memory and having that challenged causes friction which immediately makes them ask, why the hell should I have to relearn what already works in other programs, and two, that Krita has the most convoluted ways of going about things that are standard in every other program. Why is it when I want to do a clipping mask, I have to group two layers then fiddle around with some alpha lock bullshit, when in every other program it can be configured to either a key + click, or just button press?

Its just small things like that.

You're right that it's not even that big of a deal, but it's just small things you take for granted in all other programs that Krita seemingly decided not to do because it wants to be different/is built with some archaic design in mind. The small things compound until you're left asking why TF am I even doing this?

The only reason I personally would ever swap to Krita is if windows finally goes full like mode and I'm forced to go Linux, even then I'd probably install wine and try to get csp/ps to run on it. Even then I'd be hoping that those softwares end up with Linux support.

Its really as simple as, I learned tools a specific way, I'm not interested in relearning my tools because some program wants to be a quirky chungus when my programs work just as fine and all other programs seem to just get with the program

>>8050760
YHWH's strongest goyim

>>8050760
>Its really as simple as, I learned tools a specific way, I'm not interested in relearning my tools because some program wants to be a quirky chungus
That's fine. You can decay and wither because Windows and Adobe snapped their extra tight cuffs on your itty bitty nuts. It's not the fault of the dev though. This is pretty concretely a skill issue in your part. The lack of ability to adapt to new methods usually means death.

>>8046559
That was the pirated copy of painttoolsai, not krita

>>8050810
nobody has to adapt to krita for any reason whatsoever

>>8046021
slow non-optimized crap

>>8047660
>>posts work
>work
LMAO

>>8047566
winner by proxy of posting literally anything drawn
>>8047643
losing seething faggot who didn't post anything
you literally had to mog him
couldn't even beat fucking stick men
LMAO

>requires half of KDE ecosystem
>*krashes*

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>>8049166
Again you nigger??? Shit, get a life.

the one real complaint is that there isn't a "mouse drag brush angle" command, like how there is with the "mouse drag brush size" command. Like where you hold shift and can change the size of the brush by dragging the cursor around.

Evidently under the hood it's so fucked up that there's literally no way for them to add something like that without significant rework and I think that's fucking stupid for something so basic. Makes painting a lot more annoying.

otherwise I love it and am glad it exists

>>8050810
Nta, but similar stance, I'll learn the tools if I ever find myself needing to learn them. I'm not against them simply because I spite Krita, Krita simply does not provide anything of value that makes it worth getting past that initial friction other than being FOSS, which when all you want to do is draw, is not fucking worth it at all. If they offered something legitimately better than other software, I'd use them. They don't. It's once again, that simple. Right now you're essentially arguing that I should use Krita because it's free, that's literally the only argument it has going for it, but in a time where paid programs can be attained for free via cracks, why would I use Krita? It's counter intuitive to literally all other program UX.

>>8051363
I'll fucking do it again

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>>8051363
>92ae5f3b4dcd9accef7df170561762f2.gif

Sperging out over drawing softwares is a sign of a perma beg

>>8046680
For pixel art, use Graphicsgale.

>>8051420
idk about photoshop but krita brutally mogs csp when it comes to features if you don't count the 3d stuff

another thing I'll bitch about is that they "recently" (within the last few builds) changed how the polygon select tool works in terms of its sensitivity to proximity of vertices and it REALLY fucks with how I paint. It'll close a shape I'm trying to select before I've told it to do so because it assumes the point I'm trying to place is close enough to the starting point that I obviously must be trying to close the shape. It's infuriating, especially since it didn't do this before

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Just learned today from some random twitter post that Krita has that feature that crops images so you can split it up for instagram or whatever.

>>8055035
can you name any

>>8055357
I like how the motif of them thinking they know what's best for the user permeates all of the program. You'd be hard pressed to actually get them to admit they fucked up with that feature since they think they can do no wrong and that it's the users that must adapt

I love Krita, but I find its transformation tools a bit strange. It also lags a lot sometimes, but that might be because my PC is kind of old.
Funnily enough, a client bought me CSP, but I haven't learnt how to use it yet.

>>8047518
I love it when you 4chan retards start hallucinating and making up movies in your head

>>8055533
Once you get over the learning curve of adjusting to a normal ux, you'll fine CSP is far better, and, you'll be able to use most any other digital art/multi media software. Once you make that transition you'll understand how valid many of the complaints about Krita are, and how big of asshats the developers are. Their program is literally a good FOSS alternative kneecapped by their arrogance and stubbornness to make the UX appeal to literally everyone else

dogshit crashes on stupid things that never get fixed, or they just blame your desktop environment. laggy ass brushes when you go above 200 px (SAI will barely lag when you hit 2000 px). stupid malfunctioning shortcut bugs. copy paste bugs, particularly when animating. forgets brush changes when you exit, unless you manually save every single one (no default settings system with auto saving current settings, unless you write a stupid script for it, and it will be dogshit slow because they don't expose if a brush has changed or not from a script, so you have to assume they are all changed).

the only redeeming thing is the animation timeline that works like Flash, which is the only reason i ever crack open this abortion of a program

>>8055554
This.
Also canvas size causes lag despite brush size staying the same

>>8050617
>I think Tatyana Kupriyanova has some great works that show what krita can do
this bitch traces over ai

>>8055543
It's a pity CSP doesn't work on Linux.
There are several guides to make it work, but none of them worked for me.

>>8055396
Neat. It really does have a lot of useful yet hidden features

>>8047518
he's right. Birds and insects look impressive, because we aren't used enough to see small proportion errors and they require the most simple shapes. That's why many teachers let their students draw said birds and insects. Humans and horses is where it is at.

Still a vibe of a pic. I like it. The eye is well done.

>>8047569
Christian right wingers are such a US phenomenon. In Europe Christians are the biggest faggots, nigger lovers, and LGBTQ enablers in existence.

>>8055745
christian right wingers are evil immoral monsters that don't believe in anything other than cherrypicking things out of the bible to use as a cudgel to subjugate and attack others, if they truly believed in christianity they wouldn't act like such unrepentant beasts

>>8055586
ok and

>>8046249
Just because "professionals" use it, doesn't mean it's good. Also who the fuck uses key binds?

>>8055586
https://www.artstation.com/cg-sister

No? She has been doing art way before AI.

The devs frequently dismiss UX complaints with the attitude that their idiosyncratic system is superior and users just need to adapt. Until they pull a Blender 2.8 and prioritize standard workflow conventions, moving between Krita and actual industry standard tools will stay an unnecessary headache that limits Krita as a hobbyist/toy program limited to Linux users and people who don't know how to get cracked versions of industry software. You can't expect people to take your software seriously if you can't even do the bare minimum of making it actually function how people expect it to be function.

Naggers, fork the repo, ask Claude to modify the software to address your specific qualms, nag is free, send patches.

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>>8055844
no i think i'll just do art on a program that was made for artists instead

>>8055838
>The devs frequently dismiss UX complaints with the attitude that their idiosyncratic system is superior and users just need to adapt

That's the problem with linux in general, so used to doing customizations or accepting limitations they do not realize that the majority of the population just want a good smooth experience.

>>8046021
https://github.com/10zindraws/Krita-Revamp

>>8046695
But anon how do you know of there are no troons among Photoshop or CSP devs?
At least Krita is opensourced so you see what's going on.

>>8056360
>krita is so shit people are revamping it
lmao

>>8046021
I fucking hate Krita's documentation. It reads more like a developer that's obsessed with showing off their tool and its technical achievements rather than teaching the user how to fucking use the tool.

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This fucker is the thing I hate the most about krita,

every time I have an issue with krita and I go to the krita forums to look for a solution, this fucker is ALWAYS replying pure bullshit, NEVER the actual solution, either some bullshit workaround or acting like you're retarded for even questioning god and saviour krita.

also I fucking hate that profile picture that is in every fuckass reply, He must have been genetically bred by adobe to fuck with everyone not buying their shit.

This is not all, he has not posted a SINGLE artwork since joining the forum in 2021.

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Despite this, he has only 414 solutions.

I'm certain when people talk about krita users being obnoxious when replying to any issue they want to fix, they must have read a reply of this dude.
I'm also sure that this guy has made a lot of people wanting to use krita just leave.

I don't like him.

>>8057260
while he might be annoying, he is actually trying to help, unlike you
on topic, i've actually grown to like kirta. the brush engine is far better than ps, some features like the popup menu are amazing and it even works on tablet. that far outdoes the negatives such as limited filesize, less robustness and ugly ui.
also i take pic rel over corporate bros any day

>>8057545
Not the guy youre replying to, but i'll take old annoying nerdy spergs anytime over corporate indians

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>>8057545
>ugly ui

The UI is fully customizable, maybe the UX isn't as good.

try diz:
https://github.com/storytold/photocraft/releases

a bad artist blames their tools

>>8057822
gas yourself jeetoid

>>8057827
This except i'm literally the best artist ever and the tools are holding me back.

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>krita runs like shit, csp runs pretty good
>upgrade my specs
>krita runs extremely well, csp runs like complete shit
software does not make sense, just use whatever works for you, in a literal or comfort sense

copy-paste
>krash
delete a frame
>krash
look at the stupid software in a funny way
>krash
onion skins randomly give up
>maybe throw in another krash for good measure
i paranoid save before and after every operation because it krashes so much, even with backups and auto save files.
>ERM CANNOT SAVE FILE BECAUSE THERE IS AN ONGOING OPERATION
so.. fucking wait for the operation to finish and then save? why does this need an error popup? why cant it save in the background when you hit the save button? doesn't it already do this when autosave runs???
fucking stupid disjointed homunculus discombobulation donkey ass abortion of a piece of """software"""

KRRRAAAASH!!!! KRAAASH!!!!!
just like the rest of Krash Desktop Environment's Qt gutter water software, kwin, kdenlive, plasma shell, trash krash trash onions onions

i need schizo pills after forcing myself to use this crap, but i have no choice because it's currently the most pleasant thing to animate with, which says a lot because almost ever piece of animation software is the absolute fuming tar pits

paint tool SAI? never crashes and i use it with fucking wine. shame it has no simple flash-like timeline. FUCK! i pray for umoupen to become linux stable soon. free me from this misery

>>8060014
meanwhile csp never once crashed on me after multiple thousands of hours.
it does lag when you open 50+ files though and can get unresponsive, I hope they can get Jonathan Blow on that ASAP.

>wine
does it work fine? last I tried with wine my tablet simply didn't work and it complained about some memory issue iirc.

>>8060025
>does it work fine?
you need a specific wine version: caffe-9.2 (a bottles environment makes this much easier to do)
earlier versions of wine have the memory issue, and later versions break tablets/wintab/windows ink or whatever the hell wine does under the hood. this specific version is like the goldilocks zone.
sometimes this doesn't even work for some people, depending on their distro, and whatever dependent versions libs it provides that wine dynamic links to (libc, etc).
of course, it will always work in a VM, but that's no fun at all.

I just use it cause it works the best natively on Linux. If something else comes along that's better I'll switch but I'm gonna keep grinding away on Krita until then. Personally my favorite program was SAI on windows.

>>8057822
I hate Krita. Despise it. Would rather run my hand through a meat grinder than use this piece of shit program. HOWEVER. I cannot overstate, how much I fucking loathe vibe coded slopware that claims to be a 1:1 clone being shilled everywhere as some hero to artists. Uh, no. You can go fuck yourself. If I could only choose between that and krita, I would run my hands and testicles through the meat grinder that is Krita before I use that piece of shit slopclone. A disgrace and a herald of the incoming fetid ouroborus of shit that mars the horizon.

>>8060268
I used to use paint.NET on windows but pinta sucks on linux so I learned krita. I would pirate CSP but I don't trust running pirate exe's anymore.

>>8060025
https://github.com/parka6060/CSPenguin-Installer

Don't bother setting everything up yourself, it's a huge hassle.

>>8060014
How did you get SAI to work? For me, it keeps erroring out on "persisting the history file" or something.

I followed the instructions on wineHQ, tried different versions of wine, tried the bottle/caffe9.2 thing (fuck, bottle is such obnoxious begware - they beg on their website, want you to download random crap, then they beg again on opening the app), and i tried a recent SAI2, and 2019 SAI2, and even SAI1 (which doesnt want to start without admin rights). Could get nothing to fucking work, CrapGPT is no help either.

>>8060306
The error is "harmless" in that it wont crash the program but things like history loading from opening a file doesn't work, nor does auto-backup. You can switch that off in SAI's settings to silence the error.
You are basically most of the way there if you got the program open and that was the only error you saw.
For SAI1, I found that it doesn't work well; The UI gets messed up or stops repainting and other things, so I'd just stick to SAI2. If you still want to try though, I think you could install SAI1 in a VM, and then copy the unpacked SAI directory back out to your host.

>>8060268
Same. I use Krita on Linux and CSP on Windows.
>>8060303
>>8060025
>>8060032
NTA. I tried that guide and several others but none worked, though maybe it was because I was trying to install a pirated version. Maybe with a legit version it would work.

>>8056360
This fork is proof that the Krita devs are too egotistical to swallow their pride and adopt normal ux conventions. Ridiculous that some random can add in a feature as basic as clipping masks but Krita insists you use their alpha inheritance layer grouping bullshit

>>8060324
>normal ux conventions
Please tell me what "normal" ux conventions are? Do you want all software to be like Photoshop? A piece of software that's basically unchanged from the 90s?

>>8046021
lack of assistants that would aid my workflow. like they have an angle measure tool, but it's fucking useless. it measures angles from a verticle or horizontal line and disappears as soon as you click anything else, what would be even better is an angle assistant. you have 3 points that set the angle's origin and extremities for the two rays allowing you to mark any possible angle that stays on screen when you switch to other tools and that you can set to a specific angle, such as 90 degrees, 60 degrees, 22.5 degrees ect. i have seen over the past decade that multiple people have requested something like an angle assistant and it's just be ignored.
an ellipse tool where you mark the center of the circle and then set your major and minor axis from there would also be useful.

>>8060324
Thats the beauty of Krita though you can fork and customize it to your hearts content

>>8060596
People don't want customization. They want a good default layout.

>>8046201
as much i love kirita, even with the phtoshop ability, the fact that they didn't switch default shortcuts to industry standards really is sad.

But again, there is way to switch the shortcuts

>>8046523
to this day, krita still dosen't have good audio integration for lipsync

>>8060537
....uh yeah that's literally the point yes. People who regularly use art softwares use them to create not tinker around with settings to wrestle them into doing what all other programs do out the box

>>8060771
The shortcut preset doesn't change the UX experience, they still don't have things like clipping masks, a weird eraser, weird brushes, weird zoom tool, etc. I've tried giving Krita a go because it's always shilled here, it just feels bad compared to everything else. The Krita revamped fork someone shared on here is probably the closest Krita has ever felt to all other programs I've used, and it's a bittersweet pill because why the fuck can't the devs just do this? Oh that's right, because their egos are too massive and insist artists relearn a software rather than just make art

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>>8060777
>People who regularly use art softwares use them to create
Well you obviously don't, since everything you need to "create" in Krita is right there. Only some tinkerfaggots are getting mad they can't find the vector tool or whatever the fuck (haven't read the documentation)

>>8057997
Have you tried lowering the ram allocation for CSP? I think having it set too high ruins performance.

>>8060865
What's the best percentage? I have it set to 80% (15gb) right now, I lowered it from 95% because I did have issues with csp freezing after a while when working on a canvas with a lot of layers while having a lot of files open.

>>8060868
I'm not sure, you could try halving it closer to 8gb and see if it's any better. Undo levels also have an impact on performance as well I believe.

>>8060865
I tried basically every single guide and """fix""" to even the dumbest of variants.