What are all the extra bits on classical artworks called and how does one learn to do them?there seem to be patterns, motifs, standards. but what are they are how do you learn them?I looked at a classical art course and it focused only on human form ... but every classical human form tends to have all this extra stuff, i want to learn that! will post more examples.what is it called? what books can i get about it? what are the guiding principals behind it?I might be on the wrong board for this sorry, move if necessary.
both classical and gothic have them.
>>8048028euro genetics.
>>8048031correct, i am in fact white and european.
like all the bits that look like plants, what are they called? and how are they determined? i see recurring patterns between artworks but cannot identify the standards used to make them.
I used to know what it was called but I've been retarded ever since I hit 30
>>8048028like what, ornaments?
>>8048058FILIGREEI knew it was somewhere in my mind
>>8048066yesss thankyou anon, i am also retarded since i got older, but it's related directly to depression and brain rot content. less-so age. i need to turn off the computer more and read books.>>8048063ok so i'm looking for ornamentation and filigree, thankyou anons.
oh but also still looking for the "rules" for it
Many little shadow and highlight make happy brain, end
>>8048089but shadow and highlight in pattern. what pattern?
none of these are classical and neither are the ones saying they teach classical art courses. it's just an attractive word they use that is only tangently related.fuck you these are all gothic, baroque, and gothic revival.
>>8048127ok cool, do you have any good sources for both classical, gothic, baroque and revival ornamentation?>>8048066that leads more to jewelry btw, ornamentation is for the furniture and architecture.
gosh I've learned so much even from this, acanthus leaves! thanks anons.but you see how the same things are used across all styles.
I feel like much of these could just be called mouldings, as much of them are just cast from a mould and stuck to the surface in a predetermined way, as you see with old room decorations, or those ornate picture frames.Not all of them of course, as some are sculpted directly, but the mouldings are the usual method.
>>8048208danke schoen anoni have been researching mouldings a lot.i need to find books about this because i was right, there are certain patterns and standards adhered to, i keep seeing people calling it "grammar" there's even an old book about about it. very busy though, will continue research soon.
>>8048030thats not "classical"thats just the ionic order, one of 5 general types architects stuck to in the renaissanceand these arent "extra bits" its the head or capital of the column. yes, there are many moments in gothic masonry, pre-renaissance where makers did other shit. but its not as simple as your pic >>8048028your pic isnt even classical. lookslike a french church
Looks like everyone's already answered your question. But yeah it's decoration, ornamentation, mouldings, motifs.You can find a bunch of reference books by searching those words up on web archive
>>8048669Architects would follow pattern books, which outlined in precise detail all these various shapes and designs for them to copy
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>>8048672It's the kind of thing that allows us to rebuild entire buildings that have burned down, even down to the most minute detail. They weren't build randomly, they were built according to well drafted designs, and every detail is in the plans. So long as we still have the plans of course
>>8048028My Calvinist Protestant upbringing kind of balks at seeing this kind of display from a religious standpoint even though I'm not religious anymore. But I think it's really cool from a craftsmanship and artisan POV. Imagine seeing this shit as a peasant who would travel to a cathedral a couple times in your life. Funny how these things continue to color your perspective on art throughout your life
>>8048671lol that capital is NOT in any pattern book. it deviates so hard from the formula. where is it from?>>8048674and wheres this one from?>>8048066theres lots of words. Garland. Festoon. not really technical words, though.for example, >>8048674 these are volutes, the bumpy bits on the bottom corners. but words for how they are designed and treated wouldnt be standard.
so what about gothic? any good resources on that?
>>8048662>and these arent "extra bits" its the head or capital of the column.no, there's way more bits than that which are not in the capital of the column.
>>8049267generally? of course. that picture? cmon guy.
>>8048671>>8048674pattern books are a modern invention so obviously the architects who designed these didn't follow them. pattern books are done after the fact.architects are more likely to rebuild based off of existing segments that have broken off.>>8049267saying "bits" is really vague. no wonder people have/had problem parsing what the fuck OP meant.
>>8048028>>8049286>saying "bits" is really vague.not the images of people, all the embellishments, and extra BITS.
>>8049499again, column caitals arent bits.the painting on the ceiling is just painting. generally this and the stone stuff falls into the category of ornament. again, this isnt classical. this is gothic. so you should look into something of a formal history of gothic architecture to find out opinions on their preferences for points and nodules on everything, rather than clean lines and curves.try some Wittkower: https://archive.org/details/gothicvsclassic00rudoyou could try some Ruskin, but he might be too much into his own philosphy to be of interest.
