Why You Should Copy Anime:https://i.imgur.com/zNDsyF0.jpgNaoki Saito: https://youtu.be/8jsZGeaWkhE?si=6HZIvG9Bx3y9qoHs&t=12Hide Channel: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTY4AtphBe8PSqfXT4qfxwdbLgSK0XZ9vAnimeShijuku: https://twitter.com/animesijyuku/status/1717415459778347358Krenz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbKqIJcIUCw**Strive for quantity AND quality.**Anime Studying:>Copy anime references exactly and draw them from memory. Use illustrations, screenshots, anime figures, 3D models, etc.>Don’t copy recklessly. Use construction, color theory, and other fundamental concepts to rehearse a drawing process that you can later easily manipulate for original artwork.>Post all of your anime studies. Post even when you’re told not to. Create an art community that actually draws and improves together instead of just talking about it.>Number your attempts and link to your previous posts.>Critiquers should lead by example by posting their studies.General Anime Style Discussion:>Questions about achieving certain styles/techniques/compositions etc.>Drawing methods, study habits, resources, tutorials, tools, software, etc>Be specific and try to post a sample of your study attempts before asking for help.**Draw copies from good anime styled references to mindfully up our mileage, internalize appealing aesthetics, and learn from each other’s processes and knowledge.**Recommended Resources:https://pastebin.com/Yz2scAEc/mmg/ - Manga Making General:>>>/ic/mmgPrevious Thread:>>7999794
>>8048113Lets all try to stay in the containment thread this time.
It's nice to see the prebeg and beginners general is still active.
>>8048147The days of anime needing a containment thread are long over. Anime runs the board now.I think this thread still has a purpose though, since doing anime copies is such a common exercise
>>8048999i see you're studying gender swap, that's an important practice
what do I do if I can't decide on a model? I want someone who draws loli, but many I like don't seem to share their sketches or simplified drawing styles so it's incredibly difficult to study them as a supreme beginner.
Tried copying them using guidelines then did them by memory; it's so hard to get the anime head shape. I always think about trying to draw a real face silhouette;I tried human face -> anime and it was terrible.
>>8049176that method is too hard for a supreme beginner
>>8049325Also tried copying Okinawa's body but I still can't point what is wrong even though my copy looks like a broken ragdoll
>>8049328what should I do then? ive been drawing for four months or so.
>>8049338I personally copied a ton of taco1704's tuts during my first year. took some good mileage out of that
>>8049176Try all of them and filter them down based on personal compatibility (feels easier to draw in the style and understand what the artist is doing) and the style allowing you to create the media you want to create. You can always change it later too since you'll have more knowledge to base the decisions on, the EXP won't be lost. 4 months is enough to start if you've been copying some anime art already. If not then start copying an artist first (along with copying hide channel's croquis playlist).>>8049353Not Japanese art. Hopefully you didn't take anything fundamental out of it to base your drawing style on.
>>8049362>to base your drawing style onI think I did lol but making my drawings look like a jap did it is not my goal. so long as the art is appealing I don't care if it's from malaysia or taiwan or wherever elsebut regardless, his tutorials are mostly anatomy related so it's probably useful for anyone
>>8049375>making my drawings look like a jap did it is not my goalI thought this was the anime general?Also it's not about where it's from but the techniques used to create the art, it's just that legit full-on anime drawn by a non-Japanese person is still a pretty rare thing in the world (even if it gets slightly more common as you get geographically closer to Japan).
>>8049325>>8049330Try to understand the actual shape of the head, how it looks flat and in 3d. If you look at the flat shapes, theyre almost all the same, it makes it easier to replicate and draw from memory. You can do the same for the body
freehand doodled a cute foxgirl from imagination
Vagabond Study. i dont know what i was thinking last night, by starting and maybe even finishing to study/copy a whole volume or chapter of Vagabond, but after like 7 hours i couldnt even get the panel size right, let alone capture Takezos likeness (second to last panel) and now i got some thick callous on me thumb. it was an interesting endurance experiment though, i think i'll try focusing on non-painted, singled out pages in the future
>>8048113
>>8050173sry my brain malfunctioned
am i retarded? how is this supposed to work
>>8050902youre misplacing the spine is my first instinct. like, the head/body align wrong and the body needs to be angled better the gravity is all wrong
>>8050902
am i retarded?
>>8050955blog?
>>8050956@snssouci
>>8050956i dont have one>>8050960not me
>>8050960This guy is too good to be posting in this general
is the discord worth joining? last time I tried nobody let me in for like half a day and I just left. I figured its as dead as here
>>8050966the mods are not very active and they're beg, but the regular posters are all int or higher
>>8050968if there are a lot of ints then maybe Ill try to join again
>>8050966all the people worth a damn stopped posting like a year ago
>>8050978what discord
its in the pastebin
>>8050962looks like regular faux anime doe.
As a thesis I'm not sure copying anime is the way to go. Anime is drawn by people who did extensive life drawings and study. if you copy anime instead of real life then the art will just degenerate.
>>8050996pyw
>>8050996the general is about copying anime to understand it proportionally/ stylistically ,nobody said that you should neglect real life studies
>>8050997sure..
>>8050999how can you understand it by copying it? That's just a line by line copy approach. its really easy to fall into the trap of becoming a human copy machine. the better approach would be to take the design/drawing/style and redraw the same thing from a different angle and ideally different pose.
>>8051009Did you even read the description >Don’t copy recklessly. Use construction, color theory, and other fundamental concepts to rehearse a drawing process that you can later easily manipulate for original artworkIm not even disagreeing, just doing a 1:1 line by line copy is probably not very beneficial you need to do it in a way that you can replicate out of your head, but that is what is recomended here anyway
am i retarded? i picked imamura because there's a hundred copycats but i have no idea what i should be even doing. i'm not learning anything from simply copying, should i be breaking his art down into simpler shapes? how should i do it? i'm too autistic to guess by myself
>>8051021Imamura has an intuitive sense of 3d space, which is only gainable from mastery of life drawing so drawing from 3d (life drawing) is the best approach
am i retarded?>>8051037this is the anime study general
i fucked up Oko a little but eh
>>8050996both. just mix up your studies and work towards your goal. some basic understanding of anatomy should exist so you know what the simplifed lines represent or what you've drawn. granted, life drawing and realism will give you a better observation skill, due to its complexity, but it also takes a lot longer to get right.
>>8050902>>8050955>>8051021>>8051045imamura is good but why are you copying his pedo stuff? are you a pedo?
>>8051069>imamura is good>complains about loli'sretard
>>8051021>>8051045can you post the original drawings?
>>8051073imamura is good at drawing mommies
>>8051069>>8051076his children have the most simple shapes, his grown women are just longer children with boobs anyway>>8051075you can find them on his sadpanda gallery
>>8051021>should I be braking his art down into simple shapesyes, try to get the torso broken down into the most simple single shape you can
>>8051099>women are just longer children with boobstrue
>>8051105can you help me work it out? i can use two rectangles this way but i have no idea how i would replicate them in different angles for my own art later own, or how i could adapt the proportions to imamura's other more stylized stuff
>>8051114I do something like this, basically like a floursack but sometimes I go even flatter with the shape
>>8051136this is very useful, thank you very much. can you show me how you tackle more dynamic poses or other body types?
>>8051141this was really quickly done without ref, hopefully it helps
>>8051185Blog?
Been drawing for a while, but I want to start drawing anime because it's fun and I'm a fucking weeb.
>>8051203blog? Good stuff
>>8051207That's not mine, I only do trad because I'm too dumb to do digital.
Ive never seen this thread so active before
I hate posting on the /asg/ discord because it's filled with a bunch of attention hogging troons.I'll ask for advice here: what is the ideal studying vs drawing from imagination ratio?
>>8051225what do you mean by drawing from imagination? If you mean just making your own original pieces then I guess Id say 50/50 maybe
>>8051230uncompleted and completed pieces yes.
although I guess it depends, when youre starting out its probably better to weight studying higher a bit. As long as you dont just fall into the study trap where youre not actually making anything then its probably fine
>>8050966No, it's full of people like this
>skill shamingFuck you cocky /int/ niggers. You'll get your just desserts soon.
my ygger... 48 hours for that?
>>8051265I like it though. I think it's cute and earnestly conveys the joy of when it was drawn. It has sovl.
>>8051265how you are so dumb
>>8051105>most simple single shape>le simple shapesIf you can't sense that this is goyslop then you are simply not going to make it.
>>8051282being against drawing with shape just proves that youre a permabeg
>all these accusations and no drawingsIs /ic/ society just built on being a mean spirited pile of shit?
unironically yes
>>8051283I'm against oversimplyfing everything to le simple shapes and not being able to do anything else actually required for anime art, which inevitably applies to everyone who pushes that goyslop.
>>8051286post a drawing you made for every buzzword you typed if you want to be taken seriously
>>8051284just vile minority with no life refreshing index all day
>>8051286you think its slop because you prob dont really get it. Its the first step, you can apply construction or whatever you want a shape
just to get another drawing inbetween the arguments, despite not being satisfied with these. i should do more quicker ones going for accuracy alone.
>>8051288This behavior is prevalent in the discord too. I can't find a single place where I can improve in peace. It's either troons, or toxic narcissists who draw well but not perfect but still act high and mighty over those who are just beginning or learn slower.
>>8051294sounds like a you problem
>>8051294Boo hoo.
>>8051297>>8051336>zero real argumentI'm right. You're wrong.
I think the thing that trips me up the most as someone whose experimenting with anime style after drawing cartoons mainly is the facial proportion/ eye sizeSo far every time I sketch a face I need to adjust the eyes down more before it looks "right"I've only been at it for less than a week though so it's just a matter of building that eye for it
>>8049413thanks I tried it and I'm still testing. I found an artist I like and will probably use him as a reference for other copies.
>>8051510the main struggle is going to be unlearning all the bad drawing technique caused by cartoons' obsession about simplified shapes and learning to actually draw full quality anime shapes.doesn't help that even those that attempt anime in the west are infected by this mind virus so if you don't know JP or aren't just extremely based and redpilled it's hard to leave the bubble.
>>8051382you made him too young
Is figure practice a meme? This Korean artist has really dynamic figure studies, but all of his drawings look stiff as a board.
I couldnt stop laughing at how bad my study came out. Love csm early part 2/ part 1 art style. Going to have to try this again lol
>>8051773you must be new to drawing, but dynamic drawing is actually really hard to do right without reference. artist needs to practice drawing dynamic mannequins without reference, which he doesn't do. he hopes to absorb it through osmosis, but trust me (cause i've done it) it's a really slow process. there are just so many decisions you need to make, like what pose and which angle, in what environment, for what purpose. even if you could draw anything, you still need to decide and settle.
>>8051773no hes just a moron who grinds figures like a mindless zombie and never learns how to apply it to his actual art
>>8051778wtf literally me
>>8051770i guess its the eye size. yesterday was an off day
>>8051773Not every figure drawing needs to be super-dynamic. But if you feel you have this problem in your own work, it is likely because you are not starting with a strong gesture.As others have noted, the only way to prove you understand figure drawing is to do so without reference. This is not being anti-reference. There are just things you are not forced to consider when you use them.There are many video examples here of starting with a pose before building out the structure.https://warosu.org/ic/thread/7908039
the body is entirely a copy of maeda taison squatting but i had fun with it
>>8048113How much detail am I supposed to draw in the final version
>>8052243None, because you are not supposed to do chinacore copes in the first place.
>>8050960anti-prayercacas…aint no way we're this obsessed
>>8052243It's fine how you're doing it just fill in all the black areas in the final, so it reads better
>>8052148Peak
>>8051284There has literally never been a time where it wasn’t like this
Fucking dumbass mods
>>8051069I'm not pedro wtf.
how does one do this
i die (and also changed my bg color from the weird dark purple for once)
>>8053526Looks like you gotta copy more refs bro
>>8053390where are her eyelashes?
>>8053642every time i thought "let me do the eyelashes" i got distracted doing something else and i wasn't paying attentionalso Another
>>8054002BLOG?
>>8054003i dont really have a blog or place i post. just randomly uploading here or discords
>>8051225Depends on where you're at./begs/ should be studying pretty much all the time. Most people need a good year or 2 before they're able to make something they're proud of that isnt 1:1 copy./ints/ should be 50:50. But It really depends on how much time you wanna spent with the hobby. Casual /ints/ usally do a lot of studies and like 1 or 2 high quality finished art per month. Grinding /ints/ do tons more art but at a lower quality. So the ratio is really up to you on what kind of artists you are.
Line work is still sloppy.
am i retarded? what am i doing wrong? i don't feel like this is helping me at all
>>8054018who's discord?
>>8054472>>8054457draw from imagination now
Who need artificial intelligence when we have natural stupidity to stole concepts and references we like from others, and mix them in a pretty nice combo.I can't even say this is an OC, this is more like my take on a obscure character from a Digimon manga I plan to use in a rpg maker project... maybe? I hope??I have still a lot to learn, specially color theory, but I really like how far I am right now.
>>8054202Outline should be thicker just like it is on your ref.Her left eye needs some adjustment too.Other than that gj.
>>8054457I like Imamura, but you really are not choosing the best of his works. The ref looks retarded, I’m sorry
>>8054472try drawing cross contour after the silhouette to understand the form
>>8054595Yeah I always make the lines thinner subconsciously. Thanks for the feedback.
>>8054562Keep it up anon I like your spirit
>>8054562This looks so 2000s, you nailed it
>>8054726>>8054944Thank you very much!I appreciate the feedback a lot.
>>8048999took an anime girl and made her western
>>8054513no one i consider "big" is just friends or random discords from smaller youtubers. been thinking on creating a blog to have as an archive, if i do that later ill respond here.
>>8051599applied the face study and oneshotted this face; I still don't know how to draw feet
How do people put up with the Asian accent of an art YouTuber...
i feel like i'm contouring more than i'm actually figuring out the structure
>>8059811For me is more about learning how to move my pencil.I guess we get the rought idea with repetition, but that takes a lot of patience...
>>8054472I too shall copy imamura
>>8060072I forgot her shoe :')
>>8060074
>>8060079So caregree yet mogging 100% of /ic/, it's over
>>8051136>>8051185yeah anon this was incredibly useful. may i ask how do you study, in general? and what books did you find useful
>>8060114Imamura if he pencil'd
>>8060114its js a copy doe
>>8052243this level of autism is what's required to sell courses now?
>>8060182that is chinese barque plates
>>8060114>>8060072retarded anon here. can you teach me?
>>8060502I too am retarded though
>>8060505>>8060502what books did you use?
>>8060502copy silhouette and fill it in with detail. it's braindead, but effective. won't teach you anything though
>>8060613> it's braindeadhow so?>won't teach you anything thoughwhy not?
>>8060618because shapes are flat and you're trying to portray 3D?
>>8060613>>8060618>>8060667Its just a matter of talent.
>>8060667he's trying to portray anime though, this is the anime study general. portraying 3d forms, anatomy, perspective, those are fundamentals. this thread is dedicated purely to stylization, not to fundamentals, the fundamentals are learned somewhere else. why do people keep saying shit like that in here? you just disregard everything because you assume people just aren't learning fundies too.
>>8060667>you're trying to portray 3DNo? I'm trying to portray anime that uses 2D shapes.
>>8060813>those are fundamentals>3d forms>fundamentalnot to anime.>anatomynot even strictly a drawing fundamental, just pre-drawing knowledge to use for inspiration. when actually drawing anatomy you can't detach it from a style so it's not actually a fundamental drawing thing.
>>8060613>won't teach you anythingbecause you should be copying every line as a coherent part of a larger shape that connects to other shapes in the drawing, it's not just le sillhoutes.
>>8060944Peak
>>8060852>>8060856kill yourself
>longtorsovampireloli.pngAraragi has higher standards than this for his wife, cmon.
>>8060984go back to your containment thread
>>8060944Nice
>>8060987This is his containment thread.
>>8049176I recently found two loli artists that I plan to copy and learn from later: dorontabi and hitsukuya.There are many others, of course.
I wanna be able to draw sketches like this, but my dexterity is horrible. I think the only way to succeed is to brute force trying to draw every day.
>>8060980You will never draw anime.
>>8061078why? a character like this has already been drawn x982674912461 a bajillion times alreadyyou're not accomplishing anything if you draw like that
>>8061084>you're not accomplishing anything if you draw like thatDo I need to accomplish anything new? I'm doing this just for fun.Picrel is my first attempt at doing something. Keep in mind I never tried drawing stuff like this before. Feel free to point and laugh
>>8061087AlsoAnons telling me where I'm going wrong would be appreciated.
>>8061087dont reply to bigfailure, he failed at everything and uses AI
>>8061084>you're not accomplishing anything if you draw like thatlet's see your drawings.
>>8061089>telling me where I'm going wrongIt's too early to say, you have a legitimate goal and that's already better than most people on /ic/. Just try to copy to the best of your ability and draw new things in the same style, try to make it look as similar as possible and repeat this process over and over.
>>8048113daily reminder that copying will only make you good at copying
>>8061113based copychads
>>8061078if you can't learn the underlining anatomical structure of those characters without the skirts, you will never succeed. you have to be able to draw the body first before drawing characters with clothes that hide the body silhouette.
>>8061113the most basic foundational artskill there is? oh no.....
>>8061475>hey can you draw me a dragon?>sure, got a pic of one I can copy?>no...>then no I cant
I can't copy a dragon but I sure will be able to draw one from imagination
>>8061677Prokoanon's dragon...
>>8061648it's a lizard with batlike wings. stop being facetious and go back to studying, lazy bum nodrawlet
i feel my linework looks VERY amateurishany tips?
>>8062321this is another i did, but it looks way worse.
>>8061425What's the best way to learn anatomy? I remember seeing the boxes method a few times.
>>8062338>study anatomy by doing non-anatomyBoxes are for the gullible goyim. Studying actual anatomy and study/copy good anime drawings that have anatomy in the way you want to draw it then try to replicate.
>>8062321>>8062322Rather than lineart, I would say anatomy and proportions. Your hands are too big and your abdomen too long in the first pic, and in the second pic her neck+torso+hips are straight as a trunk when it should have some curvature to look natural.
>>8062397>>8062321Besides proportions, the individual shapes in the face are just not anime. I would say look closely at some anime artist you want to draw like and see how you differ, try to do copies and compare what's different when you draw original art that tries to look similar in quality.Face on the second one is better btw.For linework take a close look at high res scans of settei or genga with faces and copy every single line you see. It's going to boost your understanding of shapes as well, you will understand how to make them look better and more anime.
studying immr's artbooks, does this breakdown look more or less alright?
>>8062321Be more thoughtful on your line weight decisions.
somewhat learned how to make a face from scratch. It's not perfect, but it's a start.Now Can somebody please tell me how the fuck can i learn anatomy?
advanced symbol drawing
been struggling with a plateau tried to do a study to shake it up
>>8063427drop the line weight, you don't understand shape enough to be playing with it, not only it's making your drawing ugly it's making you do wrong decisions. You can go back to it once you improved a bit, don't get discouraged tho, you're just making things extra difficult for yourself.>>8063263you too
>>8063427The other guy is retarded you are doing great
>>8063489Can you post the original ref? I want to try copying it too.
>>8063504That's not a copy
>>8063506WoAh blog?
>>8063506we only post studies here, idiot, it's in the title
>>8063466Thanks for the advice. How can i get a better understanding of shape?
>>8063506you're in the wrong thread
>>8063584>>8063609it was the study of the application of the saito naoki method
what are the most valuable lectures to watch in krenz's kindergarten? i doubt all the 22 are even close to being necessary
>>8063665>most valuableAll of his videos besides the ones on composition are of equally low or even negative value for anime.
>>8063702this doesnt answer my question about kindergarten lectures
>>8063665Most of them show you how to break down some of the harder drawings while going into theory. You should be giving them a watch unless you're confident in copying.
>>8063730i am not gonna watch 44 hours + of drawing lines in a grid
>>8063739Then get to work on copying.
>>8063741actually i think im just gonna do that and mix it with actually understanding the thing i copy
>>8063743>mix it with actually understanding the thing i copyWhats that? I copy as well
>>8063746im too autistic to tell if this is an ironic question
>>8063748Its not, please elaborate
>>8063749you know when you are copying the head and such i would want to know the specific names, proportions and planes of it so i can copy and understand it better
>>8063769cool, what resources do you use alongside doing studies like that to learn the stuff like names?
>>8063779i wish i had the answer for this... i dont know i havent done anything like this yeti want to learn to properly draw the ribcage and pelvis and so far i am just going to the proko anatomy playlist
i dont know how it went so wrong...i love csm art style but struggle so much emulating it
>>8063786>proko anatomy playlistthat's unironically enough. as long as you don't try to copy the drawings themselves and draw like le proko you will be okay. just use it as pure non-execution info.find good drawings of anime bodies and find how they implemented that anatomical knowledge and copy that.>>8063718if they're about composition you can watch them. you can read the loomis book about that too. the rest of their content isn't too valuable for anime.
>>8063609>>8063584how new are you? even when /alt/ was active this one was just the default anime general, you post here and hopefully someone will give you a crit. Getting a redline from someone that dosent draw anime, specially when it comes to faces isn't very productive
>>8063597getting better at shapes is free, you get better at the by drawing more. Is more of an appeal fundamental, you have to figure out which shapes are pretty too look at, it's not particularly subjective but it depends on a lot of personal things, the way you draw your lines, which lines are you comfortable with, even the way you hold your pen will change your shapes. but remeber pretty things are pretty. Just focus on drawing more for now
>>8064060thats what I thought lol I swore I've seen quite a few non study stuff here
>>8064060t. dandan @icantdravv
>>8064183mogs me
>>8048999your copy is shitdraw some lines to compare
>>8064187thats fake he good
>>8064008>as long as you don't try to copy the drawings themselves and draw like le proko so i just take notes of theory and then do his exercises?>if they're about composition you can watch themokay sir
>>8063942pay attention to big shapes and landmarks
>>8063702Someone who went through all of krenz literally worked on a currently airing anime though.
>>8064542working on Anime is not that hard anon, it's just good networking
>>8064834mogs anything i have ever done and will ever do
>>8064490>do his exercises?I wouldn't do that if that implies drawing like him or following him artistically in any way. Just take the pure info about human anatomy.e.g. this type of stuff is fine - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKYMCGDFE9Uthis is not - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQHPKBuM3ug https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWZZ3SFmDS8
>>8064851mogs my whole being
>>8064790These guys got in based soley on their twitter gallery though
How will a grid help me copy better later without one? Won't it just build up a reliance on using a grid?
>>8064901It's likely going to cripple you in the long run. Just use the prominent lines already in the drawing to copy it better. In pro art all the line directions and angles are deliberate, you don't actually need anything external to understand it.The western/chinese obsession with overlaid abstractions that don't actually exist in the drawing is alarming.
>>8064908but Its so hard to copy anything other than standing poses because the more horizontal space a pose takes up the more difficult it is to keep track both vertically and horizontally.
>>8064912Of course it's going to be hard since it's anime. But a grid doesn't actually make you understand gesture and the decisions behind all the line angles which you absolutely need to understand to make good art yourself. I suggest tracing a hide-like gesture mannequin using the lines already drawn by the artist and then copying that first if something is giving you trouble.
I bought a book on drawing sexy anime girls and I realized it's probably AI. Should I draw it anyway? I think I've at least built up enough confidence with Bridgman to decide to change something if it seems wrong.
>>8065382just burn it and learn from a real artist
im trying to figure out hair and head it's just pain...
>>8063489The perspective on her shoes should be a little different Kozeki.
>>8065382>Bridgman>to decide to change something on anime girlsBridgman can't tell you if something is truly wrong in anime, at best he can give you design inspiration for anatomy but if you already modeled your main drawing style on him you need to do a lot of retraining, because he lacks the drawing techniques used in anime.
>>8064837okay thanks
someone redline this anatomy
>>8065555true, a low beg like me doesnt know how to fix it tho
>>8065697Anime is already redlooned by default since it goes through corrections anon.
studies and such
>>8066118sorry for the fuckhueg img it's not letting me delete, use this one instead
>>8066118>>8066120nice
