>RIP AdobeSo Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, etc, have lighter-weight 'vibe-coded' FOSS copies now, and the intention is to release copies of all adobe products. They run allegedly run natively on linux as well.Are we in the era where creating software, as a business model, is no longer tenable? If so, we may see no more art program developments than what we get from the foss community.What are you're thoughts? Keen to try such programs out, or are you going to avoid them completely because they were made with AI?
Has anyone tried photocraft with already existing abr brushes? is it really one to one?I'm down for it but haven't seen anyone painting in it.
it hasn't been tenable for decades, adobe literally survived on boomers buying licenses for the entire company because "that's the serious stuff serious companies such as mine use" and millennials being too lazy to try learning a new softwarethis changes nothing btw, if you're a pro you use whatever the pipeline demands and if you're a non-retard freelancer you use cracked cs6 or sai
>>8057593I tried it. It's fine but at that point, why not just get a cracked version of the adobe suite? The creator says they promise full parity by the end of the month, but I don't see that happening, it feels similar but clearly isn't if you've actually used adobe products. The only one that actually seems worth keeping is the pdf viewer.The only upside I see is that it functions on Linux, however, they just got adobe programs working on Wine so even that seems moot.
Personally, while I think it couldn't have happened to a shittier company, I do worry about how this will kill any sort of software innovation.If the money isn't there, because someone will just immediately copy you using AI, then why would anyone invest? Why would you even bother?So great for the consumer in the short term, but bad in the long run, is how I'm seeing this.Look at videogame decompilations; Now that it's so easy to do so, allowing people to directly access their games on their computers may no longer be financially viable, as someone may just immediately copy your gamecode, switch out the models, and release it as their own game.We may be looking down the barrel of ALL software only being accessible via the cloud... and that sucks.>>8057595>it hasn't been tenable for decades, adobe literally survived on boomers buying licenses for the entire companyWell, it would have still been tenable, because adobe was still profitable, but if we're getting to the point where multiple copies of your flagship products are being shat out everyday, I doubt adobe can remain so.>if you're a non-retard freelancer you use cracked cs6 or saiWhich would have meant you were still part of the adobe pipeline, because your product still required adobe to be opened, should someone else want to open and work with your files. But these programs can open and edit those files as well.
>>8057600what was tenable was not "creating software", it was having a monopoly, free alternatives existed continuously for the pas 20 years, and said alternatives being shat out by a jeet isn't going to make people more readily transition >Which would have meantyou don't know what a pipeline is, streetshitter
>>8057602Free alternatives existed, but they were always lesser versions of the paid software. Up until recently, inkscape couldn't even work in CMYK, Gimp is notoriously sluggish and awkward to use, as is Krita, so it's understandable why many would rather just use the higher quality software.But if a free alternative that copies everything about the paid software comes out, and is completely comparable in quality to the paid software... well, why would anyone use it?>you don't know what a pipeline is, streetshitteruh-huh, sure.
>are you going to avoid them completely because they were made with AI?das riteain't installing some slopghetti coded slop that will brick my pcmaybe you really oughta kill yourself now, OP
>jeetard parroting some slop a chatbot shat out without a single clueshan't be engagedthat you think cmyk is actually used for art even when printing says everything I need to know
You see? I was right. Slowly /ic/ will see the greateness of AI and what it can do.
assume all AI posts are bots advertising themselves until proven otherwise
chatbots made even another thread >>8057601pathetic as fuck
>>8057607>gimp/g/eet outing xirself, nobody white ever thought of gimp, fire alpaca and other nodraw /g/arbage as useful in any way
>pretends that cmyk isn't still a standard required for printers... fucking retard.
AI rhymes with don't buyshould have picked a better name for your scam, discord trannylol
>jeetard thinks printers printing in cmyk means you work in cmyk>on a fucking illustration lollmaothey're not sending their best
>>8057612Nah, I'm OP, but I have nothing to do with that other thread. I'm guessing they didn't bother to simply ctrl+f. I actually looked up this software, and started thinking about its implications, because I saw several different videos being recommended to me about them.
>>8057616>t. luddite stuck in 2014
>Doesn't know what a colour profile is.>Probably just prints from RGB and doesn't care about the colour differences.Some people need to stop larping as a professional.
>colourAHAHAHAHAHA IT'S A LITERAL JEET AHAHAHAHAHA
>>8057622Not him, but I literally do print prep for a living, CMYK hasn't been the standard in at least a decade, quality printers don't even use CMYK as a system anymore and most print services outright require sRGB files, to say nothing of the fact that literally nobody makes art exclusively for print anymore and even when you do use a shit printer for your self published slop, you don't work in CMYK for the art because 99% of people are going to see the digital file first.You stick out like a sore thumb, maybe /gd/ would fall for this tourist shilling
Ah, that one retard who sees British spelling and spazzes out by derailing the thread. Cool.>>8057628>maybe /gd/ would fall for this tourist shillingSo /gd/ would fall for this because some print shops would still require cmyk files, yeah? Many printers still ask for cmyk, yeah? Just because you or your shop don't, doesn't mean much to me. I also never claimed to be a professional, and am just pointing out that someone else is... that's probably includes you too, given that you can't seem to grasp why a program being able to work in a cmyk colour profile can be a make or break issue for some when it comes to using a graphic design focused program, despite supposedly working in print.And what is this argument even really about? I was speaking about how free and open source programs can be significantly behind paid programs, or make for worse experiences, and just used inkscape and their lack of cmyk profiles as a single example out of several. I never claimed it was something I personally took issue with, or required cmyk profiles myself. So why are you drooling retards so obsessed with that example? Who the fuck cares? what did it have to do with the overall point? You pedantic fucks.Anyway, I'm not responding to more of this cmyk shit. You guys (probably a samefag) can fling your shit at each other instead.>"Oh he's seething"sure.
>>8057635Holy tourist, you literally don't draw.
>be ai jeet>desperate to make the heckin poopy stinky artists mad by spamming about ai 24/7>get btfo every single time>pull out the "omg u guys are heckin toxic samefag waaaaaaaaaaah" EVERY SINGLE TIMEyou should genuinely kill yourselfno jokejust do it ( i am laughing )
for me? its kritanot a fan of vibecoded slop even if it is FOSS
>>8057637We're in a thread about art software, dumbass. Go to a draw thread if you want drawings.
honestly, if all my waking time was genuinely wasted on shilling for ai and trying to troll the world i'd do the ultimate troll and kill myself because all i am doing is being a lolcow
>literally any AI user ever
i love when ai users come posting here so i can let out all my weaponized schizophrenia
>>8057642This is an art board, nigger, fuck off to the software board.
>>8057651:)
>>8057656>literally doesn't even own a tabletRemember, it's poo in the loo, not shit in the street.
>>8057658:O
>vibeslopped rust jeetware replacing anythinghaha good onenow fuck off and go back
>>8057593There are already free programs that can replace basically every Adobe product you didn't need AI for any of this
This entire thread wouldn't even exist if the people shilling this shit actually used the software enough to recognize it's just a rough clone. I think more people on caught up on the fear mongering/getting one over on adobe than people who actually want software that can legitimately replace the adobe suite 1:1. These are NOT 1:1 and people who claim it is are LYING to you. They're half baked clones that will undoubtedly have some form of monetization built in after enough people fall for this marketing bait. If you want the adobe suite without paying for it, get a CRACKED version you fucking retards.
>>8057689you are of being dreadfully bharatophobic
>>8057689>These are NOT 1:1Sure, for now at least, but these are open source and are flippantly blatant in their attempt to be as close to the original as possible, just look at the tag-line from the site: "The Open-source image editor 'you already know how to use.'"...They couldn't be any more in-your-face about it.And even if it isn't, and never will be close to 1:1, all it needs to be is good enough.At the very least, it's amusing it see companies get fucked by the AI they shilled so much, even if it's just a little.
>>8057593>are you going to avoid them completely because they were made with AI?Why the fuck would you use them if they were made with AI? Are you retarded? Are we out of options? Use Krita, CSP or a pirated version of Photoshop than some mystery software.
>AI coding? Ewwww. Just pirate photoshop.Not targeting anyone here, but I find it odd that people say this, whilst ignoring that adobe also likely uses AI in their software development too.So unless you're pirating an older version, you're likely using a vibe coded version of photoshop.
>>8057704the difference is that photoshop didn't start as slopjeet entropy will of course destroy it, but those things take a whilebesides, plenty of artists do use older versions of photoshop, as the software degrades over time
>this retard thinks people use post-bloat photoshopWhere do these niggers keep coming from, why even bother making and shilling this shit if you don't even understand what people have a problem with in the first place?
>>8057593>They run allegedly run natively on linux as wellThey do. Tested them today myself. They are still undercooked tho, but Im feeling bullish. I sense this project is being fueled by Adobe hatred as well.>Are we in the era where creating software, as a business model, is no longer tenable?Creating software as business model will be restricted to actual work industry. For example, software devs will develop specialized software exclusively for, lets say, construction companies, and keep it contained. On the other hand, software creation that targets the average pc user will die, because vibecoders will be able to crack them open with claude and make a FOSS alternative out of them pretty fast. There will be no reason for people to be subscription fags anymore, when there is a free alternative out there.
>>8057593>What are you're thoughts?Interesting project. I want to see how the codebase and product look and feel after 3 months of pure agentic coding on a product this complex. My bet is that they’re going to get many things right, but the little gains that actually matter are going to be subpar compared to PS or CSP since those rely on proprietary algorithms. As for myself, I’m excited about After Effects being native on Linux.
>>8057593I'm not using your generated goyslop faggot
>>8057710Anon art software has been slop since the very beginning of computers, when the palette was dumb CMYK. That’s why every few years, people reinvent the wheel.
>>8057747disingenious takeno, things are not made equal, there's quality and there's shitjeets desperately want everything to be the same, maybe then their feces will smell a bit less in comparison
>>8057747>Every few years people reinvent the wheelWhat? All these creative softwares are basically the same within their respective categories. Just because a new one comes out with some new niche feature doesn't mean it reinvented the wheel
>>8057747don't be obtuse, you know what slop means in today's context, fucking kill yourself
>>8057755Is it really? I wouldn’t consider GIMP slop, but the general opinion is really close to that. If it weren’t for the AI association, many people would be saying that, in its current version, Artcraft is superior to GIMP.>>8057767Sloppy software is sloppy regardless of how it was created.>>8057765On paper, they accomplish the same thing, but under the hood is where things change: algorithms, data structures, etc. For example, many of the complaints in the Krita hate thread are due to this “reinventing the wheel.” Many of the people there wouldn’t hesitate to say Krita is “troony slop” too."Co-Authored-By Chatgpt"
>FOSS>Pricing tab in the right
SAAR WE ARE REDEEMING THE SLOP WORD SAAR IT WAS RACIST SLUR SAAR WE ARE TAKING POWER BACK SAAR WE ARE THE NIGGERS NOW
>>8057710>the difference is that photoshop didn't start as slopPhotoshop's been a cloud service for 13 years. Even CS6 the last full on-disc product that you actually owned required an online connection to validate it.Sorry to say but Photoshop been pure caca for way too many decades, Shantanu Narayen apparently been the Adobe CEO since 2007, that company been on a downward spiral since fucking 2000+7 . They went from being pro consumer to anti consumer to anti anyone that dares to use it. I don't mind installing a dogshit vibecoded program if it works, no internet requried, no AI , no cloud service. This is the future we were promised when these programs were originally made back in the 80s-90s. Richard Stallman my beloved *probably* aproves Welcome to MIT little bitch.
>>8057839>I don't mind installing a dogshit vibecoded programof course not, you're a jeet, as indicated by your posts that have the stench of curry and fecal matter
>>8057839>it didn't start as slop>BUT MUH CLOUD SERVICE>BUT ONLINE CONNECTIONnobody cares, retarded nigger, it's cracked, proven and free of slop code
>>8057848Not sure i understand what's wrong with letting AI and a bunch of people build Photoshop from scratch without stealing the source code? Why is suddendly wrong to *actually copy* something with AI? Thought you guys were calling artists luddites not so long ago despite AI being trained on actual stolen artwork. Code is math, math can be solved with AI. Art is not math it can't be solved by AI.
>>8057852what apart of "I have literally no need for some jeet prompting a chatbot to create something he doesn't understand because I can just have PS without any of the shit people don't like about it" fails to penetrate your deformed shitskin skull?
>>8057856You are not the main character, no one cares what you think or about your opinion, you want to keep throwing money at Adobe? Be my guest and buy 2 bitch, let the world know you are not poor.
>>8057859it's free, retarded nigger
>>8057847you are the one acting like a dalit kek
>>8057863Am I supposed to know what the fuck a dalit is, brownoid?
>>8057863SAAR YOU ARE THE INFERIORITY INDIAN SAAR YOU ARE THE PAKI BENCHOD
>>8057698Yes I agree it's fun to give them their just desserts, however, the cynic in me thinks its only a matter of time before this has some form of monetization. Once a project gets a whiff of money, it takes integrity I don't think most people are equipped with to handle that situation. Best case scenario it becomes an ouroboros of FOSS distillation or branches... or Krita finally fixes its shit program and stops having its head up its ass.
>>8057704well duh, your best bet is CC 22 or CS6. they aren't going anywhere
>Retards aren't excited over a functional foss adobe suite that works nativelly on linux and actually has real development speed unlike GIMP and KritaIf AI allows the vibe coders to shat out 10X the speed of development, I'm all for it.
Piracy is a theft. Reverse engineering commercial software is piracy, and therefore a theft. A theft is a crime. Adobe should sue these Indians AI slopers.
>>8058590>Reverse engineeringThis project is a clean room implementation though.
>>8058590>these browns should sue these pajeets
>>8058589nobody gives a shit about linux or foss, you deluded nigger, I just want to drawI have cracked PS, I don't give a FUCK about some jeetcoded piece of shit running on an OS for autistic fat neckbeards
>>8058589>muh linux saars
o has anyone actually mad art with this¡
so is anyone drawin with this?
>/ic/ filled with pol schizos spamming like botsWtf happened to this board?
>>8058665>nobody gives a shit about linux or fossI do and I'm the most important person I know in this world.
>>8058590Even if they went out of their way to sue it stops nobody from just doing it themselves for private use. The floodgates are open and it cannot be stopped. I told you faggots, AI is the future.
>>8057593Vibe coding a BRAND NEW COPIES of another close-sourced software is trash. I bet the app will be a nightmare to maintain. Vibe coded app maintained by other vibe coders. The only biggest use case for vibe coding is piggybacking on another establish FOSS application and then extend some of their features like Krita-Blender bridge (where you can project a blender viewport into Krita, handy for drawing comics). But usually these are small/narrow features that's much less likely to break and don't need to be maintained as much.AlsoJust crack Photoshop. Pishh. There's like tons of other open source or free applications that will do 90% of what you need on Photoshop
>>8058590I say adobe had it coming but really I and many others have cracked or older versions because fuck paying for that shit more than once
>>8058666wtf i love india now
>>8057593>>8058712>>8058716the photocraft one doesnt even work with my wacom tablet among other issues ill stick with krita
>>8058938>the photocraft one doesnt even work with my wacom tablet among other issuesThe magic of open source! Always two steps behind.
>>8057600>decompile gamesMods have existed since foreverThat really only depends on whether you have better game ideas. I mean, it would've been fun for tinkerer types but most people just go with what's popular, like kids flocking to Roblox and Fortnite. So maybe more Fortnite mods? Lol. Remember, most people dont care about installing mods, let alone make mods. To scare off the incumbents like Nintendo is to come up with ideas like "What if Pokemon but with guns?"
>>8058938>>8058961Do you think vibe coders actually vibed applications that they're actually gonna use? Well, some of them do but most never think about how other people are going to use it. So you get fine looking UI mixed with jankiest and sloppiest implementation ever.
>>8058969And really vibe coders just want to be fawned over and create some reddit threads with "I made an app!">look inside>another clone of an existing application but worse>check repo>last update: 8 months ago>last update: 8 months ago>last update: 8 months ago>last update: 8 months agoLike fucking hell just the first commits and then the slopper just goes missing
>>8058969Nodev saying the stupidest horseshit
>>8057593>software where good versions were already cracked to hell and back*yawn*, who needs this seriously? come back to me when CSP on IOS/Android gets re/decompoop'd, if you can even do it and this isn't a massive shill campaign that is.
>>8058938You could just use AI to fix it.
>>8057593It's not even photoshopLLM ripped off Photopea's code and slapped something resembling PS' interface on top of it.Once again, slop does not create anything, it steals.
>>8059163NTA but asking "AI" might just amount to asking Reddit or getting more vibe coded shit that does nothing.can you give an actual solution that doesn't involve AI...mah nigga
>>8057593Another vibeGOD victory
>>8057593not a clone or SAI + animation function + kleki sketchy brushfuckoff, this bullshit' are inestable on complex files
this is cool but i'm more interested in vibe coded/decompiled ripoffs of stuff like csp, procreate, zbrush, toon boom etc
>>8059968It's happening!
>>8060038>jhet borja
>>8059185>Damn, Photoshop is being a jew with their subscription>I know... I'll make my own Photoshop! With the power of AYE EYE! And make it publicly open sourced!>It turns out to be just PhotopeaI don't know why but this is the most programmer line of thinking ever and even more vibe coding pilled at that. So instead of just finding an existing alternative... Lets make a new one from the ground up. I'm gonna need Internet of Bugs to review what they actually made.
>>8060038>open sourcec word/excel/pptSo... LibreOffice?>open sourced autocadSo... LibreCAD?Why do get the feeling that AIfags just ended up creating something that already exist lmao. Why not just... Improve existing applications so people would actually use them?
>>8058592(it is absolutely not clean-room as these bots are trained on so much different stuff that it's very possible they are doing an implementation based on a private codebase given the sheer level of access Claude has to github repositories.)One of the main people involved in the reverse engineering to create Proton has called out how stupid this claim is directly. There is no such thing as sanitized clean-room with AI by it's very definition.
>>8060038Excel is too based to be beaten desu, and you can buy a license for a one time fee. The other shit can die.
>>8060085because they need to make back the thousands they spent on tokens to prompt, ironically will probably paywall it until c&d proves he can't, everyones just ripping shit because theres no consequences at the moment
>>8059968again, I'm convinced they can't do shit. actually never cracked SaaS like CSP IOS would be a godsend for actual artists but what we get is photoslop done better a hundred times already
>>8060085>Why do get the feeling that AIfags just ended up creating something that already exist lmao. Why not just... Improve existing applications so people would actually use them?That would require having skill and knowledge of software development, and most people who depend on AI don't have either in their field of work.
>>8057593why do you think adobe pivoted to pleasing managers?those are their core customers, not creatives, not anymore
>>8059968True. I'd love a new version of flash, that does HTML animation, rather than being dependent on shockwave. It's what adobe should have done, but it's a company of incompetent retards.
If vibe coders don't know what their code is doing, how can they make sure the AI didn't hallucinate a process so inefficient/roundabout that it's essentially malware? A couple vibe coded video game mods have had these issues, they're not made maliciously but the AI did some really fucked up shit to memory unchecked. I'm not morally against AI, I'd be 100% fine with it if it always worked as intended but it's just too fucky currently. It needs another decade in the oven before I'll knowingly install slopware.
>>8060289Look how far we've come since covid. A decade? More like 1-2 years max.
>>8060289>If vibe coders don't know what their code is doing, how can they make sure the AI didn't hallucinate a process so inefficient/roundabout that it's essentially malware?If I've heard correctly, the dude vibecoding this shit is actually a software engineer himself, so you'd hope that he'd have enough sense to know what he's doing.Also, by being open source, that should catch out any malicious code.But yeah, I'm not expecting a particularly high quality product when someone is gleeful about how they basically just proompted it.
>>8060301nta but time doesn't stop people from being lazy or fucking over each other and considering the main problem been malware being injected into code. I don't think getting the confirmation by vibecoders they're not gonna be checking things throughly reassuring>especially if it makes people with less know how want to blindly download stuffit honestly sounds like a cyber attack waiting to happen from someone getting the lowest bidder to code something.In any case if >>8060310 true than at least the dude working on Adobe off brand stuff has some prior experience but I still wouldn't trust it to much
>>8057593I prefer human slop pirated Photoshop than this shit
>>8057593I am brown but not a pajeet
>>8060335That's fine. This is the future, so you don't have to get used to it.
why are unironic AI shills allowed on this board?
>>8060342They moderate this board.
>>8060356This website more like.
>>8057607This makes sense. I do pay for Adobe CC because I need it for work, I'm considering alternative but I can't afford a new learning curve for a software that is too far from Illustrator or Photoshop.
>>8057593>he spent $2000 for a suite of apps that he then had to maintain and painted a target behind his back>instead of forking popular foss projects and actually made them not shitWhy are <agentic engineering> faggots like this?
>>8057607>But if a free alternative that copies everything about the paid software comes out, and is completely comparable in quality to the paid software... well, why would anyone use it?do you hear yourself?
>>8060085please, is libre cad worth the pain? have you used it for a real world project?
>>8061542Yes.It's shit.That's why, make it not shit. Vibe code it into something that's not a steaming pile of shit before you start another suite of steaming pile of shit.
>>8061541>well, why WOULDN'T anyone use it?It's pretty obvious this was what they intended to write.
>>8061561>It's pretty obviouson this site? lol ok>>8061560figures
>>8061542Its been awhile since I messed around with LiberCAD but if I remember correctly it worked great for 2D pretty sure it doesn't have 3D at all though so not a full replacement for AutoCAD
>>8061568if it cant make a drawing set and integrate photos and other file types fuck it
>>8061568Actually all you need to do to fix librecad is just like,>Use the same commands as autocad. If Gstarcad could, then why cant librecad?>Use the same UI as autocad, maybe shift some tools around slightly and call it something elseAnd that's it. Saves ya $2000 worth of credits and you're not in deep shit trying to maintain it later once Claude Code is no longer subsidized.Like, FOSS projects live or die by their community support.
the fuck is gstar cad
