Are there any resources, channels, courses or whatever that deal with the process of actually producing original paintings, eg market research, deciding on a subject, size, composition, color composition etc?
NOT some theorytard rambling about geometry and made up bullshit, actually producing paintings

>>8058604
Thats a bunch of vague ideas. Theres countless resources online to learn how to paint. I would focus on looking inward and figure out what subjects you want to paint. Thats not really something you can gain from a course or whatever. Its from within

>>8058604
Is tarted doing that once, now i draw comics.

>>8058616
Learn English.

>>8058622
Okay learn how to google you fucking retard. Your question makes no sense. Size composition! Geometry! I can tell you have definitely tried to learn how to paint. Cant wait to see what you produce in the future bro. Fucking retard

>>8058626
>>8058622

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>Thats a bunch of vague ideas. Theres countless resources online to learn how to paint. I would focus on looking inward and figure out what subjects you want to paint. Thats not really something you can gain from a course or whatever. Its from within

>>8058604
? that's retarded, it's not that serious

market research: look at artists you like who are successful in the market and take ideas from them
subject: something popular
size: something manageable so you aren't left with a gigantic painting if it doesn't sell (probably wont if youre asking this question)
composition: depends on the subject

this is what happens when you start the thread with too old feet

>>8058604
noe of your examples deal with producing original paintings and everything you dismsiss has to do with producing original paintings.

just so you know.

>>8059018
pyw

>>8058604
Ignore the nodraws, Loomis talks about some aspects of it in the later books, though mostly in the context of commercial work rather than selling.

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>>8058574

>>8059050
post your clear coherent text that isnt utterly idiotic and asking for marketing reports

>>8059107
kek even you know you suck lololo

>>8059110
i dont
but you likely do
BYE!!

>>8059089
>i'll learn commercial art strategies from a book published not only before AI, but literally approaching 100 years ago
good luck with that. you realize magazines don't want intricate painted covers like norman rockwell right?

this board is so funny sometimes

>jeets think AI competes with painters
Yikes.

>>8059115
Commercial art strategies lol. That's whats holding you back. You simply haven't found the proper instructional to explain commercial art strategies while also telling you which subject to paint. And of course - you wouldnt want to paint like Rockwell! Duh! Bringing up magazines is a curve ball. Probably evidence of the third world shit hole you come from

Is everyone here a brown ESL or what? These “conversations” don’t even make sense

>>8059237

this thread used to be one of the good ones but not anymore, there is this one nodraw german shitposter that doesn't know fuckshit that keeps posting his shit opinions and inane attempts at picking fights that ruin these threads. Pretty certain he's the fag stirring shit in this one too.

>>8059245
No, it's the favela retard

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Hungry ratto

>>8059329
Cute!

>>8059329
Really cool! But the ring on the ear bothers me because a ring would probably slide right off a flimsy rat ear. Maybe it could be on the ground or something

>>8059251
in this instance I'm objectively correct though
keep in mind I've actually sold artwork which almost no one here has.

>>8059348
shut up, retard

>>8059356
I get its the focal point and is supposed to be a crown. Its just very distracting if you've ever handled a rat. That ring is sliding off instantly. Maybe the composition could be changed to have a rat on the ceiling carrying the ring to still have the crown symbol

>>8059360
shut up, retard

>>8059348
>akshully
>>8059360
>akshully-er

All aboard the autist express! Choo-choo!

>>8059348
>>8059360
>I can look past the pack of vampiric maneating rats.
>but the EARRRRRRR!!! IT BREAKS MY IMMERSION!!!

>>8059455

Nta but it is a legit critique. You're just being a bad actor, one of the infuriating fags making these threads shit with incessant contrarianism.

>>8059617
>contrarianism
Look up the definition of words before using them.

>>8059617
shut up, retard

>>8059556
Lol good work but reminds me of Chad. Eyes are creepy yet beautiful

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is brian okay?

>>8059624

You should take your own advice.

>>8059617
your autistic pet peeve is not a legit critique

>>8059348
>>8059360
it's a valid critique

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>>8059360
>this is le distracting, the masks would just slide off a turtle's head, it's le distracting if you've ever handled a turtle, maybe you can have it so the mask is around their neck instead hurr durr btw
This is what you sound like

>>8059691

are you really this retarded or are you just pretending?

>>8059714
It's both, he is a retard and he is shitting up the thread.
>>8059672
Is he still a permabag?

>>8059455
Yes. Even if the ear was abnormally stiff - rats run with a leaping gait. Theres no fucking way that ring is staying there. Theres a million explanations for how a finger could get chopped or bitten off. The location of the ring also pushes a narrative. If its on the ground, below the rats it implies nobility has fallen and chaos has taken over. Or in OPs case, its adorned like a crown which could be pushing the rat himself as a sort of Redwall villain who now has power.

>>8059728
Autists should be kept locked up and beaten.

>>8059733

Your mom should have swallowed.

>>8059735
Yours did last night

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Jesus fucking Christ. I just came back to the thread. All I did was post a picture of my silly rat painting.

Anyway. Here's a wip.

>>8059762
Actually fire doesn't burn like that

>>8059762
The miniature looked like a chiaroscuro of a woman with drapery and i was like "wtf thats one lf the most beautiful paintings i have ever seen", then i was disappointed, but yeah great colors in the trees and fire

The other guy is a faggot, who cares what fire looks like

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>>8059823
>The miniature looked like a chiaroscuro of a woman with drapery
Well, I can try to appease.

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>>8059787
Stop being a retard

>>8059873
There is no chiaro in this, i meant more georgian era drapery

>>8059926
>proofs my point

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>>8059873
Looks like a boss in blasphemous. Great work.

>>8059787
akshually pyw

>>8059938
just imagine a gust of wind. Never been outside?

I like the work

Will we ever get rid of this exceedingly brown ESLer who harrasses everyone?

>>8060015
Post nose.

>>8059672
just watched it. it's pretty basic black pill material, it will be considered settled scientific fact in 10 years. the idea that women ever cared about "personality" is laughable, even ancient greeks and romans wrote about how this is delusional bullshit and laughed at people who jestermaxxed for whores

the white or clear pill which took me 10 years of being giga turbo blackpilled to realize is that since, there's zero chance of the current situation changing in any way, and nothing we do or say will change it in any way, that means there's no point talking about it or wasting time thinking about it anymore
if you can't give a clear reasoning for why x bad situation will change (and in this case, it won't, it will just get worse and worse until polygamy is normalised for chads) then there's no point discussing it or caring in any way.

it's kind of like immigration. the basic fact, even putting aside kalergi plan barbara spectre stuff, is that elites and business owners (medium and large businesses like farmers ranchers construction companies) want to use foreign workers as leverage to drive down domestic workers bargaining rights and be able to replace them if they try to unionize or organize in any way against their business interests.
unless that fact changes (it won't) there's zero point arguing about or trying to discuss the topic, because what happens is when you point this out, people don't want to hear about it and they get angry and try to take away your opportunities

it's the same when you read news stories about train doe whorenell giga stacy snizzat loss, or whatever foid of the week news story or dumb lib shit is being put out for the goyim to slurp up. there's no point discussing how stupid and retarded liberals are because they will just find a way to attack you, and there's also no chance of it changing because the underlying forces aren't political but technological (or "forces of capitalism" )
-favela

ain't reading that, you're mentally ill

>>8060616
it's not for you nigga it's for your mom

>>8060611
what does this have to do with traditional art

>>8060918
Nobody likes the stupid nigger irl so this is the only social outlet he has, but he's too low IQ to realize nobody here cares about him either

>>8060950
You lack a little bit in value and edge control, but otherwise pretty nice.

>>8060970
ur mom likes me

>>8060950
why'd you leave the leaves

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i've been stuck on this painting for almost a month. cant find motivation to finish it.

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a little bit of fish

>>8060611
shut the fuck up

>>8061178
It's not that bad, but i don't see why it would take so long.
>>8061520
The background looks out of place, the fish is cool though.

>>8061544

>The background looks out of place

I tried to create a bokeh effect

>>8061544
>It's not that bad, but i don't see why it would take so long.
i'm laaaazy.

>>8062326
you're a nodraw nigger, drop the cutesy cope

>>8058604
Loomis creative illustration

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>>8059095
Handsome fella

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>>8058574

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>>8058574
Self portrait. Coming to terms with my painting style- as I learn the craft I want to master this weird look, but obviously with more skillful execution

>>8065449
Blind guesswork is not a 'style'.

>>8065514
Nothing blind nor guessed here anon- it was a self portrait, so every decision was intentional. But if you say so

>>8065676
>every decision was intentional
The decision to barely half-ass it?

>>8065690
Wasn’t half assed at all. It was a portrait I made to represent how I felt at the time

>>8065718
>to represent how I felt at the time
Indolent?

>>8065718
why do you feel badly painted?

>>8065736
Not at all

>>8065799
I don’t think it’s bad at all. I think you only see it as bad because you’re comparing it to other paintings and not seeing it as its own piece of work

>>8065809
you think like you paint

>>8065846
>>8065809
>>8065799
>>8065736
>>8065718
>>8065690
>>8065676
>>8065514
aids

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>>8065860
A scared dog barks the loudest

>>8065864
shut the fuck up and post trad art

>>8065860
It’s hilarious that painting causes so much discourse in these threads. Truly a controversial medium

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>>8058574
Just finished another *gasp* painting. Bob Ross twin peaks study

>the nodraw is posting porn ow

>>8062949
i actually draw a lot but i'm feeling kinda afraid to finish that bug art, i really like bugs and i don't want to mess up this one since it is my first.

>>8067691
Is that what i think it is?

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>>8063849
>>8066391
cool and expressive, nice!

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>>8067777

>>8067693
It’s a dead bird so probably not.

>>8067777
Thank you! The possession piece was so much fun.

Great work from you as well, big fan oc that background especially. I love seeing the torso simplified yet anatomically accurate

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Damn this thread is dry, are there less traditional artists on this board than I thought?

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>>8068556
it's not a fast board

shits turning into deviantart

>>8065921
Wtf even is this dude. Is following a Bob Ross video too hard for you? He lays out his entire palette and shows every stroke... how do you end up with this shit?

>>8068777
It’s almost like I’m not trying to get a 1:1 copy of what he’s doing. The video was for direction, not to make my work look exactly like his.

>>8068788
>It’s almost like I’m not trying
No. This is very much authentic good old fashioned 'not trying'.

>>8065921
I really like the atmosphere, and the colour choices (and I can tell how into the painting you got and that's always interesting in how it shows) but I think your value range is too narrow, which makes the painting flatter than it feels like it could be. I think the composition is solid, but if you were to ever revisit this I'd try to make stronger tonal differences between your foreground and middle, maybe commit harder to the red and warmer tones you've got going on in the foreground trees so the illusion of depth becomes more convincing.
That said, this is only a problem I can identify because it's something I struggle a lot with too, so take what I say with a grain of salt, I'm far from any mastery and it's typically the most common criticism I get with my own stuff.

>>8069991
Thanks for the crit, really. I have a long way to go with painting (I’ve made less than 10 my entire art career) so any and all crit and help is useful.

>>8059873
Is this for sale? I would love to use it in a card game I'm working on

>>8069991
>>8070013
This is really pathetic. If you're going to samefag to make ass-kissing fake crits of your own terrible art, at least change up your obvious typing quirks from one post to the next.

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>>8070013
I hear you man, I just started my first full-size painting in like a decade and the thing I miss the most has been easy access to good critique. Keep painting and posting bro.

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>>8058574
Recent trad stuff I scanned. Can blow anything up if anyone asks.

>>8070797
Can I see the duck?

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>>8070812
They’re egrets actually.

>>8070797
I like it

>>8070797
Can you post on of line drawing? What scanner do you use?

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>>8070888
This is a screenshot from my gallery, I have an epson es50. The actual image res is 6387x9107. Which is cropped from whatever the scan was.

>>8070892
The lines look a little bit soft. What would you say, how god is the scan compared to the original?
I'm looking for something decent for my manga.

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>>8070894
Yeah the lines might be soft because of either my scanner settings or the iPhone compression. And or both. The scanner has a ton of settings you can mess with so I’d definitely recommend it, it’s pretty small tho, like A5 or whatevr 8.5x11 is. Maximum. But I like it it a lot.

>>8065809
>I want to be judged in isolation from the art world so that my indolence can be interpreted as revolutionary
your self portrait has so much personal depth and such expression in your brushstrokes. the form is so barely readable that it makes it feel like you're fading away.. Oh you masterful artist, oh tormented soul, show us the beauty of this world by defining pretension. Lead us to salvation from a world of lust and greed, a world where we must cower in darkness and only gaze our reflections against still puddles under streetlamps. Oh woe, the ache deep in my chest when I view this paste scraped across a panel; I may never breathe unburdened again!

>>8070899
I think i would prefer a flatbed scanner i don't trust the scrolling mechanism.

What are helpful sources to understand the neck and slope of the far side shoulder in 3/4 standing pose? Somehow I always fuck up these distances.

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>>8070770
>>8070892
siiick

>>8071351
this is not /beg/ despite all evidence to the contrary

>>8070770
Lovely colors and composition, is this from life?

How do you deal with the paper transferring step in trad? It has to be the most annoying aspect of trad.
You want to have a good paper but you don't want to sketch on it. It's just so annoying always having to redo the lines just to transfer a drawing onto good paper. This always just makes me do sketches and never do color works.

>>8071539
I'm pretty sure Steve Zapata had a video on that subject, but i can't find it. Maybe he references it in this stream though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAi7BDOH-sM

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It seems like holbein is changing their initial pbr7 pigment to pr101 synthetic iron oxide for their burnt watercolor paint (sienna and umber) formulation following schmincke and winsor newton footsteps.
While the synthetic version of this specific pigment is transparent, clean, and have its lightfastness and permanence guaranteed, but it tends to lose a bit of granulation and other natural earth characteristics that pbr7 had in its paints. So if youre a HWC user and happen to use their burnt umber and burnt sienna, you'd probably want to know about this

>>8071378
>>8070192
>>8068760
pyw

>>8072207
there's a reason everyone stopped posting, this thread is embarrassing to be seen in

>>8071539
get a lightbox

>>8072207
Don’t even acknowledge those people, it’s exactly why these threads turn into shit flinging competitions with barely any actual art posted. There’s always gonna be someone with something to say, and it’s better to just ignore them.

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>>8072207
Now you!

Happy Halloween, /trad/!

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have i made it into art history yet

>>8069991
Shut the fuck up. What are you even talking about??? Solid composition? Wow 2 mountains and a lake!! Its a bunch of shit smeared on a canvas. Like a 9 year old in art class. Stop pretending you know annnnyyyyyyyyyyything and just stfu please. The terrible art plus your bullshit paragraph makes this whole thread embarassing to post in.

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trad chinese ink painting exeperiment, not really sure how to aproach the golden ink so its less monopolizing

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>>8074785

>>8074785
I wasn’t gonna acknowledge you but now I’m a bit worried about you. What are you so mad about? Like is everything okay? I’m clearly a beginner painter trying to practice, experiment, and understand the medium as it applies to myself and you’re sitting around pissed off because I haven’t made the Mona Lisa yet. Like, take a chill pill man. We all have to start somewhere.

Spending money on japanese lead sounded like a waste of money. So i bought slightly cheaper ones. But they are scratchy. What did i wrong?

jesus christ, this thread lost like 40 iq points since the last one

This is what happens when there is no public enemy

>>8074845
So we are at 35 now?

>>8074785
you type like a 15 yo girl addicted to tiktok

>>8059095
this is so tuff can I make this my pfp?