>be chud incel artist>have interest in cute cartoony girls and such>draw mostly cute cartoony girls for myself but want some audience>can only attract fags and troons, the most insufferable audience>not attract the audience i do wantIs it inevitable that if you draw cute shit you just get insufferable audiences, or am I doing something wrong?
it's because most incel chuds hate artists and love ai. whatever you get is going to be the minority. there's nothing you can do about it
>>8065388It's a rule of thumb that non-threatening stuff attracts insufferable people because cuteness-as-escapism is more disconnected from reality than edginess-as-escapism. Life is filled with suffering. This is something we can either deny, make excuses for, or come to terms with so that we can ultimately outgrow our hangups over it (and perhaps realize Nirvana/find Gnosis)This is not to say that life is overwhelmingly bad (lest we fall into the left-hand trap of nihilism), but it is objectively "meh" for the average person and that sucks. Edgy and provocative art is a form of therapy and a step in the right direction when it comes to self-actualization. It is shadow work, in a way. We not only admit that life has shitty aspects, but we confront that darkness and either take away power from it or understand that we were never as powerless as we thought to begin with. Only a tree can grow to Heaven unless its roots reach down to Hell, as the saying goes. You can't exit Plato's cave without actually walking outside.Cuteness is a trap that the uninitiated tend to fall for very easily. Because life is filled with pain and suffering, the weak-minded often chase tranquilizers. Not unlike drug-abusers. They run away from shadows only to worship other shadows and label it as "heaven". There is nothing inherently wrong with cuteness, but people often abuse it in the pursuit of refusing to come to terms with pain and suffering. It is Christ who said we should be like little children (humble and sincere). Too many people mistake this to mean that immaturity and arrested development should be allowed.
>>8065406>>8065388Think of Miyazaki. He is a chud, through and through. An alleged lolicon and a weeaboo who cried in a theater upon realizing his waifu would never be real. He has been described by Hideaki Anno as a surly grump (and that's affectionately) to the point that Gendo Ikari was inspired by Miyazaki.And what does he cultivate? Nothing but cuteness because he craves to BE more vulnerable. It's not like Miyazaki doesn't know that life can be a bitch or is excusing/denying it like an American liberal, it's just that he'd rather live in a softer and more gentler version of the ordinary world if given the choice...but not everyone who wants to live like that is willing to admit that life sucks to begin with.Junji Ito and Hirohiko Araki are two different responses to this. Ito can see that life is filled with suffering and he laughs! Not out of cruel mockery or to punch down, but because he finds the humor and joy in it. His works often draw a thin line between horror and comedy for that reason. He has come to terms with the darkness and so he smiles, not allowing the harshness of life to take away his joy.Araki on the other hand does not settle for projecting an idyllic illusion to play pretend in or an exaggerated simulacra meant for processing. He goes a step further and declares a fight with Suffering (Satan/the Demiurge)...and he wins. The suffering is not eternally banished and the world is not purified of it...but the Dharma can be restored anew.
>>8065419>>8065406If you truly wish to find a like-minded audience, you must actually produce what YOU want to see and what you KNOW will draw other people like you.K-On has an infamous reputation for drawing Nazis into the fandom for the same reason a lot of moe manga/anime does. There are cute anime girls...but the narrative is wish fulfillment for chuds. "Look at all these girls being friends and doing fun things! They'd be YOUR friend and maybe even your girlfriend too! They'd fully accept you." Men are rarely the focal point of these stories, but the audience exists as the invisible camera man. If he was a literal character, he'd be a harem protagonist. If he was a female character as a male stand-in, he'd be something like Homura or Taylor Hebert (a male author scared of men, but not COMPLETELY rejecting them).Without that narrative, you're left with fluffy Yuri that only really appeals to women and gay men who are genuinely scared of men as a whole.
>>8065406>>8065419>>8065422i’m just a lurker, but your thoughts are wonderful analytically, philosophically, and also in a personal way, for me. i appreciate your sharing them, because i think about this exact sort of thing too, sometimes.
>>8065422Good essay anon. You've made something in the 0.5% of 4chan posts that keeps me coming back. You bastard.
>>8065388>Is it inevitable that if you draw cute shit you just get insufferable audiences, or am I doing something wrong?No, you'll attract an insufferable audience no matter what you draw.
>>8065388Honestly drawing mostly female characters is gonna get you troon followers eventually. I've gotten comments and quote retweets going "I WANT TO BE HER" in response to my wholly cute art, sexy pinups, or literal joke artworks that happen to feature females. And if you ever get really popular, unless you go full mask off chud (never do this) you'll always have some undesirable followers. It is what it is.If you draw fanart it heavily depends on the media. Sadly most media will have many troon fanatics. K-ON like the other anon said is an exception, it's a popular cgdct anime without a huge fag troon audience. Not completely troon devoid however, there are tons of troons from all around the political spectrum, because FETISHES ARE APOLITICAL (though they tend to skew in one direction)If I HAD to give advice (other than not caring because trying to control this stuff is a losing game imo), unironically draw harry potter fanart and post it randomly. draw your cute charas in ravenclaw robes or some shit. Or literally anything that normal people don't bat an eye at but will make troons unfollow you. I drew Harry Potter once and lost a handful of trans followers but gained back 10x the amount in normal followers. Iirc I've done similar stuff that has unintentionally "cleansed" my followers before, the key is that it has to appear as apolitical/just an edgy joke to normal people but will still aggravate troons
>>8065419I am sure you met them many times in your dreams and thats you how you came to these conclusions
no matter what you do you'll attract an extreme because everyone now is mentally ill, constantly baiting or straight up retarded playing culture wars in their headsBest advice no matter what anyone says; Stop posting your art on the internet. It's over and there is no real audience anymore, only bots and culture war faggots.
>>8065419>excusing/denying it like an American liberal,What is the american right doing rn?
>>8065517probably napping bro it's like 1 am
>>8065388you're an egg :3
