I have been lurking the artbook thread for years but never had the courage to start drawing. I finally ordered a small display tablet as well as a trad sketchbook. I want to give it a shot. I really want to draw.I wonder though. How far can a hobbyist go? Is creating something like picrelated ever reachable? Where is the limit for someone who maybe draws 10 hours a week at a maximum?Source: shinovi master senran kagura new link illustration book
You are already NGMI if you are worried about wasting your time. This shit takes years.
Drawing for 10 hours a week wont get you anywhere if all you draw is boxes and lines and other stupid shit.Start by drawing PEOPLE related things like anime girl references, peoples faces and body part references. Don't waste time drawing cars or robots or backgrounds or any other shit unless that interests you personally. You need to learn how to observe. Good artists can draw what they see really really well.
>>807528310 hours a week is more than what a lot of people put in here
>>8075311Not that worried about wasting time but just trying to correct any false expectations I might have.>>8075315I have never seen a good artist in here, especially not in the anime threads.
>>8075324They hide... Decent artists don't browse places like this because they're drawing. They either study something or draw something they enjoy/commissionThey can appear and leave though, which is the pattern I usually see. If you're stuck here, though, you're most likely a larper or ngmi type
>>8075324>trying to correct any false expectations I might haveIf you put in the time towards studying actual anime and without wasting time on feel good copes you will just get proportional results to the time spent.10 hours per week is ~500 hours per year, which is realistically not enough to get you out of even the raw beginner area in anime. You probably can do more hours if you make it a constant habit for yourself though. But even 500 hours of legitimate experience (real anime, not copes) is enough to make you appreciate and understand the art more and you likely won't be the same as a normal western consumer after that.
>>8075377How many hours does it take to get to the level OP‘s pic is?
>>8075402Not him but a lot, have smaller goals first because that would take like years of working 1000s of hoursThat is like, industry artbook pro.
>>8075402~8-10k to be able to creating something broadly of a similar quality level (to the non-pro eye). The best pros have far beyond that amount of hours, so yeah it is very hard but still rewarding even at lower time investments (if you don't waste time coping like most of /ic/). Might sound like a blackpill but it's actually not because you can plan your time better and cope with the reality of not getting as good as you want quickly enough.
>>8075283>Is creating something like picrelated ever reachable?Also when you get the tablet I recommend trying to do a best effort copy of the OP if you like that pic, use whatever time you need across however many days just try to make it look close, you can use failed attempts as a base for new ones on another layer.At the end you'll both get a confidence boost and a shocking realization of how much information you need to think about when making art, it's basically necessary to raise your cognitive resolution into the level where you can even start gaining exp. If you don't do this step and just play around with drawabox or other slop while not doing art full time, it's realistically not going to amount to much, as you can see on this very board.
>>8075413Id say do this and learn some basic construction and formsI'm a hobbyist and could copy this to where Im happy (though I can't render or do backgrounds) But my biggest gains where when I understood simplified anatomy through construction, gesture and 3D forms like cylinders and spheres to help with that
>>8075406My goal is to draw hot anime babes (fucking generic I know). Oh and I also enjoy traditional still life. Don‘t know how I am supposed to get in thousands of hours of practice though, I am in college for accounting to get that boring stable job. Also already 27 years old.>>8075413The tablet and sketchbook arrive at Friday, if the thread is still up I will gladly post it.
>>8075429I would say do hide channel for gesture (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTY4AtphBe8PSqfXT4qfxwdbLgSK0XZ9v) and realism style anime settei studies, e.g. berserk or other works by based Onda for anatomy. Avoid any western stuff that isn't giving you objective info that is provably verifiable and completely independent of their own drawing style (e.g. about pure anatomy or composition or lighting physics). The stuff that dominates the headspace of most people here inevitably ends up being about some kind of oversimplified prescriptive method that will cripple you with anime if taken seriously.
>>8075437Just try to make art a habit. If you're predisposed to liking art and learning the technical aspects eventually it will just become a fun/relaxing activity to you and it becomes easy to put in a lot of hours. If you are smart about how you spend the time and you have a clear goal it's all that matters really for becoming better..
>>8075446So learn all the fundamentals and draw realistic but for style just try to stick to japanese anime/manga? I don‘t understand what you mean by avoiding western stuff? Like avoid studying comics?
>>8075471You'll only be able to draw the way you learn to draw from the resources you copy and base your drawing experience on. If you want to draw anime then you need to draw anime, realism is just a property of an existing drawing style and not a separate thing you can do independent of style. Anime has realism styles too which are helpful for anyone because they are more explicit in showing anatomy, but you need to focus most on what you want to draw like in the end. It's best for exp gain if you have a specific artist you want to be like the most too but it can come later.The key is that there are no style independent exercises or silver bullet fundamentals that will magically make you draw good anime without drawing a ton of anime.> I don‘t understand what you mean by avoiding western stuff?I mean slop like drawabox or proko (outside of his objective anatomy references) or any other popular stuff that gets shilled here but that does not teach you to draw actual Japanese anime.
>>8075476I bought the Keys to Drawing as well as the The Natural Way to Draw books.The problem is there aren‘t really that many books about anime drawing in English, even less if you want quality ones from actual japanese pros. Time to learn Japanese?
>>8075480>I bought the Keys to DrawingIt's not going to hurt you if you don't base your drawing style on it. It can actually be beneficial to look at other stuff *if* you can already draw anime. The mistake is that people here think there is some western silver bullet "right" way and that anime is somehow a simpler and lesser way that you can just pick up after doing it the "right" way.>Time to learn Japanese?Yeah, learning Japanese is always the right move. Good thing is that it's not as intellectually or physically demanding as drawing (just takes a ton of time) and can easily be integrated into your life if you can listen to Japanese while doing other things. A lot of good content has translations though like Naoki Saito's stuff.https://e-hentai.org/g/2325811/25035cc9f3/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jsZGeaWkhE
>>8075283That isn't even nan at 100% of his true power you can get there.
>>8075642>>8075283This guy is so mediocre. Never left /int/ territory. The saddest part is that most of /ic/ will never reach /int/.
>>8075644What's wrong with being permabeg if that's how good you need to be to draw what you want to draw?
>>8075324a good artist has no reason to post their art anymore, people who post their art in generals is looking for advice and help.
>>8075324There are some good artists here but they are the top 5%, usually in drawpile threads and rarely venturing out from what I see. Noone here does draw enough, if you put in the hours you will get more results.I suggest gestures plus breaking down art you like and redrawing it
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>>8075413reminds me of people taking duolingo seriously
So when copying anime and trying to learn, is it better to study a lot of works from the same artist or one work from lots if different artists?Sometimes I find references that I love but either can‘t find the artist or he just doesn‘t have anything else on his socials. I am really hesitant to copy it then because I don‘t know how effective it is to just copy a single artwork and then immediately moving onto a different artist.
>>8078808Learning mainly from one artist at least for a while is the most effective way. it's also important to pick someone really good here so that you can be sure they are doing all the things that you need to learn for anime and that they have a backlog of work you can easily find. You can pick a secondary model too, think of it like main and sub jobs in a video game.>I am really hesitant to copy it then because I don‘t know how effective it is to just copy a single artwork and then immediately moving onto a different artist.You can copy from anything you like randomly too, it won't damage you if it's not clearly very low tier art or ai gen. Especially in the beginning it's just going to make you understand what you just like seeing vs what you want to draw like yourself. I don't know if you have clear favorite artists, but it might take a while before you understand what you actually want to draw like in the end so you might need to try copying a lot of different stuff.
>>8078821I am only ever looking at official art and artbooks. But like I said, it‘s not always possible to find the artist behind it or when I do, he doesn‘t post much on his socials (probably because official artists work for a company).I guess I‘ll just do both? Find an artist I like and also do random artwork studies from different artists where I can‘t identify a source?Btw my tablet arrived on Friday but I am still figuring out Clip Studio Paint. If the Thread is still up this week I‘ll post my first drawing.
>>8078825If you can, focus on the style of the character designer of a work, they usually have the most public works and experience and everyone else on a project is usually adapting their own style to match their style. >Find an artist I like and also do random artwork studies from different artists where I can‘t identify a source?Yeah that's a good plan. If it's official art it's going to be beneficial.
You're drawing from a state of being a goon, 0% chance of success.
>>8079500>wants to study real anime from real jp artbooksalready off to a better start than most of /ic/.
>>8079512He doesnt want to study real anime. He wants to draw goonbait. His OP pic is from a shit goonbait game. He'll give up and use AI.
>>8079514pya
If you consistently draw even just 10 hours a week (btw that is more than most of the school subjects get) you can easily reach your picrel, maybe even in just a year. That is of course if you are not a tard, as you need to practice with intention and study things specific to the style you want to copy.
>>8079649I haven't seen anyone in this board reach that level in a yearyou could of course say everyone here is a tard, but then the word loses all meaning
>>8079649>that level in 500 hoursThat's very delusional. Multiply by 10 and even then it's delusional.
OP here. I am still trying to figure out Clip Studio Paint so no drawing on the tablet.However, I tried to draw Levi from Attack on Titan. This is my first ever drawing, no art background, no doodling as a kid, no fundamentals book read (yet), really starting from zero.Now I understand why my original pic takes thousands of hours to learn. Fuck this shit is hard. Open to feedback though.>>8079514Nah I want to draw all kinds of anime but of course hot babes are part of it.
>>8079660>reference I usedAh shit my drawing is laid to the side my bad.
>>8078494way to misuse the meme, low cr retard
>>8079652Most of the people do not actually learn for 10 hours each weak and that is their crux.There is nothing actually complicated happening on OP's picture, the hardest part would be preventing yourself from overdoing shit.
>>8079664>Because the resolution of their perception of the picture is low, they are unable to judge whether it is a good picture or a bad one.
>>8079671>There is nothing actually complicated happening on OP's pictureCan't tell if trolling or genuine low CR. Let's see your copy of it.
>>8079671>Most of the people do not actually learn for 10 hoursif there's no evidence of a single case able to prove it, it might as well be fantasy
>>8079660>>8079661Here edited it. What do you think?
>>8079680it's garbage, but that's expectedlearn to copy https://imgur.com/N9drytO
>>8079680This, also grind these then try to reverse engineer anything you copy using the gesture/posing principles you pick up from this. When you copy aim to make the same amount of lines as him, it's extremely important (think of it like stroke count in kanji) if you don't have enough lines it's going to have that default westernized look and you won't ever know how to fix it.https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTY4AtphBe8PSqfXT4qfxwdbLgSK0XZ9v
>>8079649500 hours... bro>>8079671If you think there is nothing complicated, that is why you need to PYW. You won't see people everywhere with art like this and art being "clean" is a compliment prwcisely because making a very smooth picture like this is difficult.If you are not someone able to replicate this and instead are talking out your ass, then this is a case of insanely low CR the likes of which is very concerning
>>8079675You mean not a single case of proof of consistently spending 10 hours a week on drawing?
>>8079673it is bad. even i draw better.
>>8079720I mean that there's no case of anyone here getting that far in a year, regardless if they spend 10, 20 or 40 hours a weekif no one is getting those results, the whole concept is meaningless
>>8079660>>8079661>>8079680I see this is your thread. So I‘ll repeat myself from /asg/If this is really your first drawing then I don‘t think anime or art in general is for you. It legit looks like a 5 year old child drew this. Normally when you start out you already have an innate feel for form, perspective, shading and color. That just comes from decades of living to your adult life and „seeing“ things. Your innate feel is on the level of a kid. You „can“ develop this feel through practice but in your case it will NEVER get you to the level of your reference (if it‘s the level you want to reach).You will also never get to the level to draw hot anime girls or at least they will never look hot (more like weird). Maybe you could try to get into other arts like woodworking? It‘s not drawing, sry.
>>8079660>>8079661>>8079680Disregard that crab, with enough practice you can make it. This is normal beginner art pre-practiceganbare OP we can all draw sexy girls like /pro/s
>>8079680>>8079731Unironically better than my first drawing ever.
