/asg/ don't look!
>>8078189>we swallowed everything
>>8078189In the Satoshi Kon's list of his 100 favourite movies there was not a single anime, btw.
Every good artist understands this
>>8078193>self hating animatorMany such cases, a lot of midwits think movies are the epitome of human creativity. Same with Fujimoto or Kojima.Miyazaki is a retard, but he was far less ratarded than this worms.
>>8078194not surprising that 90% of /ic/ doesn't get it like this >>8078198 faggot here for an example.
>>8078205>im 14 and i like sophisitkated movies>https://www.imdb.com/list/ls053121609/>why yes my favorite online site is this one niche deep web place called R#ddit, how could you know?
>>8078198>>a lot of midwits think movies are the epitome of human creativity.>have the best most expressive medium right in your reach>still obsessed with le filmHow did this happen with these people? Seriously.
>>8078198Tezuka literally defined anime/manga as being based on film, retard-kun
>>8078205Meh he's coping or baiting, either way he's a faggot
>>8078216>TezukaCan we see his current work besides working with Miyazaki on his movies?
>>8078209>troon perma /beg/ sperging out>tribalism >Sees straying away from their comfort zone a bad thingGo kill yourself already.
>>8078198>modern day hacks taking influence from modern day hacks like nolan and tarantino = taking influence from film is badbased retardbergman, godard, kurosawa, lynch coined many of the anime cues you fell in love with
>>8078222...what
>>8078198You know it makes sense that shounenbros and filmbros are on the same level.
>>8078198>Do I fit in yet, west? Here, I can do smart thing too! Do I fit in yet? Here's reference to smart thing, do I fit in yet?What is the psychology behind this? The perpetual lil' bro mentality?
>>8078216Being based on an easier/less complex medium in your period of infancy isn't relevant to what's the epitome of creativity right now.
>>8078198I love animation but most of the best animated films aren't anywhere near the quality of the best live action films. I think animated films suffer from poor composition and story/writing, it really holds them back from being amazing. Most animated films at this point being for children really doesn't help. And when I do think about my favorite films, all of them are live action. That kind of makes me sad.
>>8078429>best animated films >best live action filmsList 5 of each with the best storytelling.
>>8078193Based. It's like /v/ hating any game made past 2013.
>not getting your main inspirations from pornwhat a pretentious hack
>>8078189I literally do not understand what the point of this post is. Japanese guy studies foreign media to create domestic media... and this somehow proves a point against /ASG/? A thread about studying foreign media? What even is this hogwash? Study what you like. But you also don't know the full extent of what you like, so keep an open mind. if studying anime gets you to draw, then fucking do it until you feel like reading russian tragedies or whatever else. I genuinely do not understand the mind of an /ic/gger and I never will. I'm not one to say a thread died for this, but a thread died for this. Fuck you.
>>8078440name 5 (five) actually good games after 2013
>>8078189real women are uglynot gonna draw them
>>8078454>so keep an open mindalmost like that's the point in the first place you retarded fuck
>>8078454It's the usual veiled anti Japan hate instead of engaging with the actual ideas. Same thing happens with Anno or any other popular figure (they know like 2 other names besides Miyazaki or Anno) who can be used to indirectly attack Japanese art, these guys will try to co-opt him for their goals while he literally says he's trying to discuss or think about otaku instead of criticizing and they will make hour long video essays on "How Evangelion Was Actually Critiquing Otaku Culture in Japan and How That Invented Anime As We Know It".
>>8078189>>8078193Both are literal memes for people who hate anime.
>>8078482>famous person who is less skilled than the people he's criticizing said it so it must be true!We live in a soiciety.
...you're just irked by that pseudo cannibalistic Eva comic in /draw/, aren't you.
>>8078472Read the thread post again, and then read my post again. Thank you. >>8078481yeah I think people just shit up discussion and hate the fact that people are engaging with art making and they're not. This should not even really be a discussion in the first place. If you want to study anime, please, go study it. Right now.
>>8078472>but only when it's not an open mind about studying mostly/only anime... that's le icky!!!Kek'd.
>>8078464sonic x shadow generations 5 times
>>8078485>less skilled than the people he's criticizingmiyazaki and satoshi kon are literally in the top 10 most influential and skilled directors of all time
>>8078541influential? maybeskilled? 'of all time'? lol no
>>8078541Tons of creators much younger than them would absolutely destroy them both in terms of drawing skill (even in terms of muh anatomy understanding) and writing skill. Influence or popularity isn't the same thing as skill.
>look into /asg/>first thing in the thread is an imgur link on why you should trace over weebart>it's literally a bunch of nodraws doing wordswordswords with anime reaction imagesEvery atom in my body is telling me to run away and never look back, the caveman DNA in my bones is screaming that this is a trap and I should avoid it.
>>8078545>unironically calling things weebart in 2025Best to leave it to the adults with high cognitive resolution.
>>8078545you're right DESU. literally everything there are just brainless copying. like drawabox but equally retarded.
>>8078545The only thing I remember of /asg/ is posting an obscure mirrored picture of Ryoko Kui's artwork and getting 4 (you)'s calling it "westoid garbage".Legitimately what is the point of circlejerking with a bunch of uninformed weaboos when you could just straight up converse and draw with the Japanese on Twitter these days anyways?
>>8078189i don't make manga or animes. also i could beat this old man up if i wanted to, he should watch his tone around me
>>8078545A curious thing about /asg/ is that there is a faction of posters there who advocate for copying and downplay construction, yet they don't actually know classical techniques for copying either, except for the most rudimentary grid transference. They are only able to do brute force copying, and almost none of the advice they give is actionable in a conscientious way. They don't know how manga artists draw, they don't know how animators draw, and the depth of their advice runs as deep as a cursory flip through a Betty Edwards book.
>>8078564>>8078571>egitimately what is the point of circlejerking with a bunch of uninformed weaboos when you could just straight up converse and draw with the Japanese on Twitter these days anywaysThis. It also seems like the idea of an anime dedicated general is outdated in itself since it just gets flooded with lower commitment people not dedicated to learning anime that's fully viable as being anime on a professional level like in Japan, just look at /mmg/ for a similar situation. Anyone who is serious about anime art is going to be learning Japanese anyway.
>>8078589>It also seems like the idea of an anime dedicated general is outdated in itselfI think there is actually some constructive fun to having a venue where people tell you whether an artwork looks convincingly Japanese to them or not. The problem with having that in /ic/ is that the sample size is too small, so discussions and perception are easily swayed by either a small group of dedicated trolls, or legitimate idiots.I hate to say it, but that would be easier to implement at a place like reddit.
>>8078596>constructive fun to having a venue where people tell you whether an artwork looks convincingly Japanese to them or notDefinitely if a place has strong convictions behind it then it's a good thing, problem is that they don't go hardcore enough, especially the manga guys here. But this might be changing with Saito's truthnuke gaining traction and forcing people to reevaluate things. Dermot is helping the situation too by attacking the natural enemy of any anime based faction.
>>8078191XD
>>8078596>I think there is actually some constructive fun to having a venue where people tell you whether an artwork looks convincingly Japanese to them or notbut even that is retarded these daysyou can see directly if japanese accounts like it, no need for obnoxious third-parties
>>8078222he's dead moron
>>8078464the last of usgone homelife is strangestardew valleyconcord
>>8078189>We studied impressionism, we read DostoevskySo have I, and I've come to the conclusion that cute anime girls are better.>We studied Fr*nch literatureNo thanks, I'm heterosexual.
>>8078469t. pic related
>>8078189whats with retards talking about dostoevsky? midwit book
>>8078780reading anything already puts you in the top 10%
>>8078784top 10% of what? huffing your own farts? get real no one gaf bout no soviet depression literature, nigga
>>8078602>Saito's truthnuke gaining tractionwhat's that
>>8078602Thinking "anime" is a useful category shows that you have low cognitive resolution.
>>8078814>t. low cognitive resolution
>>8078189I mean his point is that an artist should explore all subjects and visual vocabulary. It doesn't mean to give up on anime style
>>8078814Why would it not be a useful category? If one said capeshit you'd immediately know what is talked about, despite the large range of styles therein.
>>8078789well clearly you aren't even in the 10%, so not surprising with that reaction of yours.
>>8078824>should explore all subjects and visual vocabulary/asg/ calls that "westoid poisoning" unironically
>>8078984asg has not produced a single actually good artist so i don't know why anyone would even listen to delusional permabegs whose entire identity is "i don't ever never want to even think about drawing something that doesn't make my micropenis hard even for a second"
the moment /asg/ regulars leave /asg/ they get hired by ryou imamura
>>8079017quick, lock the doors
>>8078829Anime is a geographic category, it has nothing to do with style. You can study the style of an anime. But you can't study the style of anime.
The amount of cope in this thread is hilarious
>>8079028
>>8079223LmaoIs this an /ic/ original? I hope it is.
>>8079016>asg has not produced a single actually good artistdoubt, I don't post there but I have seen some good artists there. Once they develop their own style they likely move to other threads
>>8079028>Anime is a geographic category, it has nothing to do with styleI really am starting to understand how Wittgenstein felt
>>8079248No, it actually comes from the land of the rising sun
>>8078464bloodbornesekiroelden ringbreath of the wildbaldur's gate 3
>>8078464>>8079303hollow knightsilksonghades I & IIouter wildsdisco elysiumI can keep going
>>8079303>>8079323They're calling it the safest list ever made
>>8079331>list good games>tOo sAfE foR mY fEDorah!!11
>>8079345If your list of good games is predictable, that's a pretty bad look for games.
>>8079358I mean you got your list.
>>8079358>hurr durrTries to make sense of retarded views.
>>8079331Thanks for acknowledging there are good games after 2013.
>>8079223>For background and accessories just steal from Katsuhiro Otomo and if someone accuses you of ripping him off, just proudly reply "Oh no, I'm actually more influenced by Moebius"
>>8078249Japan is a slave to the west.
>>8079323>I can keep goingYou should because you haven't listed anything good.
>>8078544Like who? The Kagurabachi author? Kek
>>8078189The guy who popularized tentacle porn has said people should read more than just manga. Where is the lie?
people who praise french and russian art so they can pass themselves off as sophisticated are the most pretentious of all artists. he listed three things and they are all gay.
>>8079461>tfw you have the best literature in the world being written in your native language right now>tfw people from European countries literally learn your difficult language from scratch to experience it untranslated>you ignore that but praise translated European stuff you read (?) because it gives you more social pointsBased irony. I would take this more seriously if he learned Russian or French, but otherwise it's hard to take it as anything but social posturing.
>>8079492I am pretty sure japanese is about fucking irrelevant on the world stage of literature.When will you weebs realize that you like japanese shit because its the only thing you experienced.
>>8079461>people who praise french and russian art>people who praise the best art in the world are pretentiousCome on now
>>8079493>"""world stage""" of literatureThat's an irrelevant thing in the first place. Only actual fundies/skills matter and socially approved lit institutions do not care about any of that or can even judge it at all, they just change their opinions on what's good after the fact, it's all social posturing.
>>8079493who's even current relevant figure in western literature
>>8079508Toby Fox unironically. And bro was influenced by JP writers.
>>8078189He is the anime industry’s version of Stallman
>>8079643my fukin hero
Anime hasn't been worth watching for about a decade now.
>>8079461To be fair french artists are goated. I dunno about the writers though.
>>8079436Your personal taste doesn't equal mainstream appeal. Check the metascore and cry, bitch.
>>8078189Reading is gay and Ghibli movies are for teenage girls
>>8079814
>>8079739posts like these are always funny, like there was anything special about 2016 anime, or 2006, etc for that matter
>>8080078I dunno, I got into anime for the shows targeted at adults, and they straight up just don't make those anymore.
>>8079750the writing in eurocomics is always awful, capeshit tierthe only thing that's better is the art but most of the time you get pretty panels that read poorly as a comic, because nobody who works in comics in the West likes to actually make comicsor they try to ape manga which is even worseI fucking wish there were decent western comics but the way you go through a manga without getting bored is a lost art in the west, like every other skill
>>8079760You say that likes its a good thing lmfaooooooooooooooooooo. Soulless feak.
>>8080170There's a difference between common, niche, and shit taste. 90% of retards that say they have "niche" taste, but in actuality it's fucking shit. Which group are you in, anon?
