I bought picrelated but I haven't drawn anything yet because it asks me for a ton of stuff I don't even have or know what it is, set of pencils, cream-colored manila wrapping paper (what??), paper that is not glazed (huh?), sandpaper to sharpen a pencil to a very fine point (how does that look?), huge paperclip and an EASEL. He also asks me to wear an eyeshade?Honestly, I am motivated to start learning how to draw for real but half the stuff I don't even know what it is. Oh and he wants me to have live models. Where am I supposed to get that?
Art is not for the poor. And not for 3rd-worlders. How many times do I need to tell you this, old man?
>>8080843print paper, ballpoint pen, doodle and have fun when you don't know how to draw something look for a drawing of said thing. start simple.
Don't feel bad. I've always thought Natural Way to Draw is a bad match for an absolute beginner. These things happen, Right Side of the Brain and Keys to Drawing a better for self-learning whereas Natural Way is more for classroom or group work if you have a bunch of friends...and you're here with us so...In any case we all make missteps or don't research something enough, don't let it stress you.
>>8080843>pencils>paper>sandpapernigger, those are drawing supplies >easelprop the board on a chair, retard
>>8080874Can I ask something since you seem experienced anon? If my end goal is to draw from imagination, what's the point of doing books on observational drawing? As far as I understand from what I worked through them, all of these book teach drawing from observation. There's no construction or simplification process there either, so you're not even really inputting the visual imagery into your brain so it's reusable. Is that really a useful skill in today's day and age? I couldn't care less about drawing from life. Doesn't it make more sense to jump to a figure drawing book which will teach you everything?
>>8080880>hurr I can't draw what I literally see in front of me but magically I can draw what I have a vague impression of in my head durr
>>8080874I also bought Keys to Drawing but it's still getting shipped.I guess I am kind of freaking out for no reason. This manila wrapping paper is an old-school paper from the US, it doesn't really exist here in my country (Germany). I will just try to get drawing paper that is similar in structure.I didn't know what he meant by wearing an "eyeshade" but it's just a sun visor.>picrelated hahaI didn't know this was a thing for artists and honestly, there isn't much research on this. Seems really old-school as well. I'll just wear my running cap.I will buy an easel, it seems like a good idea, a standing one and one for my desk. Huge paperclips I can also get at the art supply shop.How to sharpen the pencils like he wants to is a bit of a mystery but I have found youtube tutorials and just hope that I do it right.Thanks for reading my blog. I like the book though.
>>8080887But I can though. That's my point. Observation isn't hard. I'm not perfect at it but I'm decent enough. I think all people are just decent at it as long as they keep in mind you're meant to look at what you're drawing more than you're drawing, and to look for relations. That's literally all there is to it.Also kill yourself you fat ugly nigger I asked an honest question. I didn't start an argument. I don't know what the answer is, but skipping intense observation drawing studies, if it's a system of drawing you don't give a fuck about, makes sense to me.
>>8080895pyw
>>8080895You absolutely can't or this thread wouldn't exist.
>>8080880>>8080895Fuck off hijacking my thread. This guy is not OP, don't reply to him.Rather tell me about types of paper that I can use for drawing. And pencil sharpening techniques.
>>8080896>>8080897Sure, here. No shading or texture work though, just basic shapes. Do you know why I stopped? Because this shit is fucking boring and I don't feel like I'm learning anything. If I were to try to draw a bird from imagination, my end goal, I wouldn't know how to do it. Because the method doesn't teach construction, it teaches how to see, analyse angles, analyse proportions, and putting them to paper. It's a METHOD of drawing from life. It is not directly translatable to drawing from imagination.I could draw a hundred birds using the observational drawing methods taught in Keys to Drawing, and I wouldn't be able to draw one from imagination afterwards. Because observational drawing is an entirely different system than imagination drawing.Now post your work.>>8080899I didn't say I was OP? Fucking retard. You can't even figure out how to get paper. You should eat a brick and throw yourself down your local lake. You might find the solution you're looking someone to give you at the bottom there.
>>8080874Right Side is literally the same. Wants you to buy a bunch of shit. And all of the exercises were from Natural Way.
Good on you OP, curious if you will burn out on the hours and hours of contour drawings every day.Nicolaides is truly the drawabox of his time.>>8080891>How to sharpen the pencils like he wants to is a bit of a mystery but I have found youtube tutorials and just hope that I do it right.Idk but this is how they do it in ateliershttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw-piPn9d6Qhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qmRmk-wye0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
>>8080899get a big roll of brown packing paper (kraft paper), it's dirt cheap and great for charcoal too, you can get a massive roll of it for next to nothingthe book is 80% scribbling, you could very well go through 100 sheets of peinter paper a day>sharpeninguse a razor blade (you can but a pack of 100 for under $10) to sharpen it, the sandpaper is optional, it sharpens itself while drawing >>8080900lollmao, even
>>8080900Pay attention, OP, this is who's telling you observational drawing is easy and a waste of time.
Not understanding how observing something causes you to learn it is baffling.Parallel: children don't need to be taught grammar before they can speak
>>8080908>curious if you will burn out on the hours and hours of contour drawings every dayIn the first section he briefly says that you can divide the schedule into smaller portions. I will not draw 3 hours 5 days a week (maybe during semester break I can since I am a college student). I will try to divide it into a 14 days rhythm or something that is actually sustainable.I don't know yet how to deal with the real human models. I mean, I can ask a friend here and there, maybe even a female friend if I am a bit better in terms of skill. What do you guys think about using photo references from /ref/ for some of the exercises? An ok substitute?
>>8080909>>8080919pyw
>>8080951lol ur mad cuz bad
>>8080843>stuff I don't even have or know what it is, set of pencils, cream-colored manila wrapping paper (what??), paper that is not glazed (huh?), sandpaper to sharpen a pencil to a very fine point (how does that look?), huge paperclip and an EASEL. He also asks me to wear an eyeshade?Ignore all that, just use whatever paper you have, and whatever pencil you have with whatever sharpener you have (though sharpening with a blade/sandpaper combo is the best, but I digress).These are older books, and you need to be able to parse through the BS and the ye olde verbage to gleam the lessons from the.This said, the Natural Way to Draw isn't so much a drawing book, as much as it is a full plan and course to teach you to draw, with a schedule and everything.So perhaps treating it like a course and getting all the supplies would be a good way to go about it?
>>8081140holy worthless nothingpost
>>8081251Feel free to make a cool and deep post, and lead the way for us intellectually, anon.
>>8080909>>8080919I'm not him, but he's really presenting something here I've been worried about for the longest time. I also believe that drawing from observation and drawing from imagination ARE two fundamentally different skills. If I am using measuring/plumb lines/matching angles/sight size and other methods to to 1:1 copy something I am looking at..... how the fuck is that going to let me draw that thing from my memory and from my imagination? How will that enable me to modify the reference/rotate it in space etc? You don't owe me an answer, but you can't just respond to a concern like his with "lol lmao even" without presenting some kind of argument to refute his point or an example of your own work to prove, "I am better than you, I know better than you."Specifically: How is the bird poster wrong here?
>>8081299hahaha oh my
>>8081299how do you expect to modify the reference if you can't even draw it in it's original form, you start by copying because that's the first step
>>8081299>If I am using measuring/plumb lines/matching angles/sight size and other methods to to 1:1 copy something I am looking at..... how the fuck is that going to let me draw that thing from my memory and from my imagination?It does not really, it mainly trains your hand/eye coordination and maybe your self-confidence.Speaking from myself after a year of learning atelier style drawing, i am in the process of re-learning almost everything. Atelier style drawing did not teach me to invent anything of my own; it did not even teach me how to compensate for bad light source or how to change a pose.If you want to draw from imagination, you need solid conceptual models. For example for head drawing, i'm drawing skulls from imagination, then I check against my reference (real-life skull model) what i got wrong.Similarly, i am developing a conceptual model for my figures (much more complex than just the head, it includes everything - proportions and simplified forms and anatomy and rythms and and and...). An example of such a model is Burne Hogarth's muscle man. It looks silly but it encodes all figure drawing and anatomy knowledge of Hogarth and he always drew it completely from imagination.The idea is that once you have your conceptual model(s) really solid down, you can then adapt them to fit the likeness of real or imagined people.The tools you learn from observational approaches are still useful when drawing from a reference, but if they are the only thing you're learning you will be hard pressed to invent anything from imagination. You'll be pretty much be stuck drawing atelier style for years until you have your conceptual model subconsciously internalized from all the copying you did.
>>8081299Bro no offense but learn how to draw first before getting lost in >muh imaginationPut in your 10K hours of practice and then you can think about drawing from imagination. Spoiler: it will always look worse than when you would have used a reference. Every great master painter used references extensively.Try learning a music instrument as a side quest. Even if you memorize a piece, you will make mistakes at a recital. Even the best concert pianists make mistakes when they play from their memory.And why do you even care? What do you get out of drawing everything from imagination anyway? If the original artwork you want to create features a girl wearing headphones then what harm does it do to look up headphones? You won‘t even be faster drawing from imagination, just worse. You want to impress a girl maybe? Even in Titanic the guy drew the woman by LOOKING AT HER FOR REFERENCE.
>>8080843ffs you don't need any of this bullshit. go to the dollar store, buy a sketchpad and some decent pencils or pens and fucking give 'er. all that shit doesn't make a good artist. the artist controls the pencils and paper not the other way around. don't let swindlers sell you snake oil promising you'll be better, that's not how it works. a great artist could paint a masterpiece with literal shit if it came down to it.
>>8081299>I'm not him, but I am also pre/beg/ and delusional
>>8081314Not an argument.>>8081369Not an argument.>>8081319This image quite literally does not draw the image in its original form or even CLOSE to its original form lol lmao even. Incredible own goal. >>8081320Wow! A real fucking response that affirms my preconceived notions!>>8081334>What do you get out of drawing everything from imagination anyway?If I see a picture of a girl, what if I want to draw it from a lower angle with her big butt in beautiful white underpants? How can I modify the reference without using my imagination somewhat and how does 1:1 grid ccopying a bunch of images help me do that?
>>8081410If you want to draw a girl at a lower angle wearing cute white panties you ask your girlfriend to model for you or at least send you a reference pic>inb4 I don‘t have a girlfriend or at least an FWB I could askStick to still life then, drawing cute girls isn‘t for you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DbIG9jmjI4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRE9dOR6djQthe path is simple, you just need to stick to it
>>8080843don't care about paper or pencil just use normal ones and later you will care about those stuff...
>>8081335I recommend good paper and while you are at it, why not also get a few commenly recommend pencil and charcoal.It's not like it costs a lot and it saves some frustration.When it comes to paints I wouldn't be stingy. Bad paint is a bad experience.Easel, I agree, is a bit unnecessary at the beginning. Get a hardboard to lean against something and carpenter/artist tapeYou don't need books. Get some pdfs if you really need to start somewhere. Not buying books takes some discipline, believe me I know
>>8081476Commonly recommended pencils*And other such typos.Fucking phoneposting sucks
>>8080843This is like someone who has never ran before buying a full kit of running gear and top of the line shoes and carb gels and sunglasses and a training manual. Think about it...
>>8080843Bro get some basic drawing pencils or whatever 2B pencils, some printing paper and start copying your favorite master artists/pros that draw what you like. Draw that from your memory then go make original pieces. That Nico book is as big of a trap as the Saar-the-box Horror Stories. If you must get a Western book find the Marvel Way book it's super basic for beginners.
>>8080843And that's before you even get to the most important part, where you're asked to find a model willing to undress so you can start practicing
>>8081530I will use photo references. But honestly, I am also kind of motivated to try to date and find a girlfriend. I am 26 and have no experience because I am ugly as fuck but my art is also ugly as fuck so why not just try, got nothing to lose.
