Thoughts on high-speed rail in your country? >America>Please don't ask me that question
>>221735734>HSR in high density country>Good>HSR in low density country>BadThanks for listening to my TEDtalk.
>Not even fast enough to be considered high-speed rail >Services a very popular route between Orlando and Miami >Currently constructing a route between Las Vegas and a very weird area of Los Angeles that nobody lives in >On the verge of bankruptcy anyway I swear, the airline and automobile industry must be involved in a conspiracy to keep rail down. I really hope they don't go bankrupt because even though it's fake HSR, the interior is extremely slick and modern, honestly better looking than the Shinkansen.
>>221735757How is population density relevant? The purpose of HSR is connecting large metropolitan areas. It doesn't matter if the areas in between those metropolitan areas aren't densely populated.
>>221735800There's already freight train networks and highways connecting them for supply lines. I don't think they need to move people between cities.
>>221735800retard alert
>>221735869People obviously travel between cities all the time for business and tourism. What the hell are you talking about?
>>221735800>It doesn't matter if the areas in between those metropolitan areas aren't densely populated.Are you stupid?
>>221735770Im pretty sure auto and aero industries lobbied against trains in the 60s>>221735734Niagra to Quebec City high speed train will improve Canada significantly
>>221735875>>221735911>can't provide an actual argument
>>221735911He's right, because intermediate stops would increase travel time. So most of the time HSR services try to be as direct as possible. If you look at chinese HSR its basically an overland airline, stations miles outside of the city, and mostly designed to connect different regions rather than providing mass transport. If anything Indian railways probably mog China Rail in the regional transport department.
>>221735734>AustraliaLmao even if we knew how to, what route would even be worth the effort here?Melbourne to Canberra is the only viable route I can imagine for Aus. Even Sydney-Melbourne would be a long haul.
At the very least, we should have rail lines from San Diego to Seattle, from Washington DC to Boston, and LA to Las Vegas to Phoenix
>>221735983>syndey to melbourne would be a long haulthe distance between beijing to shanghai is further than that between syndey and melbourne.
>>221735959>So most of the time HSR services try to be as direct as possible. INot doing this is also why the Deutsche Bahn sucks dick compared to the French TGV. Germany is very much like the USA where every little irrelevant federal subdivision has a massive ego and demands a train stop at their irrelevant little bumfuck town, so Germany's slick 300+km/h trains are wasting half the trip deaccelerating and stopping in these bumass villages instead of just speeding to the major city destination.
>>221735895Yeah, but tourism isn't the reason you connect cities. The amount of people that need to go between cities is satisfied by airports or buses since no one is literally going between far off cities on the daily.
>>221736034same reason why people like to boost about how every Chinese city is connected by the HSR when the avg chinese city is the size of Austria.
>>221736035HSR is supposed to be an alternative to the airport. Have you flown before? It fucking sucks lmao
>>221736082Because you charter a flight rather than maintain an entire railway for the sole purpose of tourism. I've also used Greyhound before. It's fine if the cities are close or it's an intercity railway/metro, but going across a massive country for anything but supply lines when buses and airports exist is a complete waste of labor and maintenance.
>>2217361251. HSR isn't just for tourism. 2. You are acting like HSR would only be built and used for travel between LA or New York when it would obviously be used to travel mid distances between cities like LA and San Francisco, Washington DC to New York etc. 3. You are wrongly assuming that expenditures on airports and highways are a sunk cost when they both require continuous maintence and future upgrades to increase capacity. HSR scales much better than travel by air and highways.
>>221735734Filipinos want one but our feudal tier private property laws, general poverty, short sighted leaders get in the way.Plus the only two options for us to build one are closed to us. Hiring Japan to build us one = shelling out billions we don't (apparently) have, while hiring China to do it is not a realistic option due to current bad blood.To make this worse the plane & bus niggers will be crying hard and get congress to ruin it like how they destroyed the American colonial period Railway back in the 60s.
>>221735734I once read some news article about how come they were upgrading the rail network to about 200km/h and not faster imc. the upkeep expenses rise steeply beyond that, and given the population density it'd probably be kind of a money pit, a white elephant, and leech money off the rest of the network and its development
>>221735734pointless without local transit systems
>>221736322This is like saying airports are useless without local transit systems
Carcucks willingly eating shit again itt. We used to have the most extense rail network in the world.
They were going to build a commute network of HSR connecting all the towns and cities on our west coast. It would cut my own commuting time to work down to half an hour. Right wing coalition won the last election and cancelled the project.
>>221736383>Right wing government won and your life got worse in tangible ways Yeah man can relate.
>>221735734Japan is currently building a superconducting maglev train. It would be brilliant if it could take just 30 minutes to get from Nagoya to Tokyo, but… I can’t help feeling that we’re sacrificing the environment in our pursuit of speed. I have mixed feelings about it...
>>221737295>with some sections in Tokyo and Nagoya 40m below ground bruh
>>221737341Are you talking about the Kodama?The Kodama is the slowest of the Shinkansen trains, stopping at every station. On the other hand, the fare is cheaper.Nozomi: The fastest service. It connects Tokyo and Shin-Osaka in approximately 2 hours and 28 minutes. It stops only at major cities. If you take the Nozomi, you can get from Nagoya to Tokyo in an hour and a half.
>>221735875Your post is the equivalent of a downvote
>>221737404no, chuo shinkansen, its 90% tunneled, and the station at nagoya and shinagawa would be 40m below ground.
>>221737295>>221737404I can tell by the way that you type that you're German.
Japan ditched us. You evil!
Why Americans want trains? Dont they think of the investors in planes/cars and the latest tech faggot invention?That's antisemitic
we don't have it in my poor poor backwater of a country
Our fastest train is the mayan train, its up 200km/hhttps://youtu.be/DaPlR04QgmM?si=7akll7cChB3MIJfG
>>221735757it's exactly the contrary kek, HSR is to provide links between big cities with empty countryside where there is no need to stop.
>>221735734I used it for professional trips but I'll never use it for leisure, it's too expensive and I don't live in a big city and I don't want to go in a big city.Car is cheaper if you are more than 2 and you can bring more luggage and have a way to drive around when you reach destination.this kind of transportation is for people packing a tshirt and a pair of socks to a one week trip to some big city.
>>221739857Because there is no need for it, you don't have a city that is similar to the capital at each corner of Finland
>>221735734If we handcuffed every plane passenger during flight, we can cut boarding time considerably thus making HSR obsolete.
>>221740838exactly my thought. you don't want your HS train to stop every 30 minutes
>>221740915plane usage should be restricted to business only. You are on holidays ? Well then you have the time to get to your destination by train or boat. And if you don't it means it's too far and you are retarded and shouldn't be allowed to leave your country.
They're considering building a high speed route between Helsinki and Turku (Åbo), but it's pretty controversial due to the high cost. It would reduce the travel time between 30-40 minutes compared to the existing route. Currently they're working on the phase 1 parts in this pic, and the phase 2 would be done at some unspecified time in the futureThe goal is that the trains could go at 300km/h in some sections, but honestly that just seems to cuck the whole project, because then they have to build a gorillion aqueducts and tunnels to make the turns gentle enough, and in the end the trains would only reach top speed for a very short time, so in reality it only makes the ride around five minutes shorter compared to if they just did a normal 200km/h track. Another purpose of this is also to bring train service to Lohja and Vihti in this pic so that people can commute with train to Helsinki from those places, but the stations end up being several kilometers from the towns, so it just seems very pointless in that regard. For those places it would be better if they just built commuter rails that go into the actual towns. Now this whole project is like a bad compromise in many ways, just to achieve that meme top speed
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>>221741355it's a white elephant that won't happen. it will cost 4 billion and only have marginal benefits. with the same money (from us) we could build the tunnel to estonia if let's say EU coughs up 3-4 billion and estonia 1 billion. this instead would have massive benefits
>>221741566An 80 kilometer tunnel between Helsinki and Tallinn seems pretty insane. The Channel Tunnel between England and France is half that length
thankfully, we imported french high-speed rail rolling stock between 1997 and 2004, so we didn’t end up stuck in the boring “japanese shinkansen vs chinese hsr” binary like most other asian countries. it’s an 18-car electric multiple unit based on the tgv-r, and even after 22 years, it’s still pretty usable. they say it’s going to be retired soon, but honestly, i think they could just extend its service life to 35–40 years and keep using it.
>>221735770Infrastructure is expensive. Trains require a lot of infrastructure. Ergo, trains are expensive.Most of US is a terrible place for train travel because its low density and rich.Trains are very good a moving a lot of people but very bad at moving a few. To support good train service you need very high demand FOR train service, otherwise you'll either be running very expensive, empty trains which will bankrupt you or very infrequent trains, which is terrible service which will only be used by people who have no choice.Since the US is a rich country, most people have the option of buying a car, even poor people. If your service is bad enough, most of them will just do that.Given that, to make a successful passenger rail line in the US you need to have a convincing argument for why your train is better than driving or flying.For long distances, flying is dramatically faster and also usually cheaper. You can reliably get a direct flight from NYC to LA, ~2500 miles, for less than $200 and often for less than $100. For short distances, your car goes directly from your house to your destination on your own timetable. For medium distances, you're going to be arriving at your destination without a car, is it worth it? Maybe, but probably not. It's going to be a pain in the ass unless you're going to a city with good public transit.This is why trains suck in the US. Trains are only ever going to be good if you can convince lots of people that they should use them, and in 99% of the US that's just not true.
>>221741777i realized earlier than most people that the total fertility rate had suddenly started to rebound slightly in most european countries this year, and it made me realize i needed to be more humble.
>>22174177722 years seems pretty short for a train lifespan, are they going to upgrade them to newer trains?
>>221742929legally, the service life is 30 years, so they probably do have to replace them soon. if the preliminary feasibility study passes next year, they’re reportedly planning to order new 16-car trainsets from hyundai rotem, a domestic company, and the total number of trainsets will actually be higher than the number being replaced.
