>Taiwan has a TFR of 0.65kids/womanFor a hypothetical scenario, starting with a cohort of 1M and assuming a 1:1 pair ratio>1st gen: 1,000,000 >2nd gen: 325,000 (67.5% reduction)>3rd gen: 105,625 (89.4% reduction)>4th gen: 34,328 (96.5% reduction)In just 4 generations your people are permanently gone. Not even most genocides are this catastrophic but it's just normal today, and if current demographic trends continue is where we'll all be in a couple decades.
>>221819244Huge influx of muzzies, indians and zhangs.
>>221819244how did society survive black plague?!
>>221819244>>221819244>Civilised races are go out of existence because they cannot breed.>Uncivilized Africans and Indians surviveFeel sad for humanity
>>221819244Japan W
>>221819386Educating women was a disaster for the developed world
>>221819244>ThailandWhat?
>>221819244اديني رقم اختك و سيبها على اخوك يحل ازمة التناسل 07
>>221819326It won't be your people or society anymore. This is not survival and you probably won't get to pass on your language or culture before you're extinct and those groups take over>>221819376The Black plague was genuinely less devastating for Europe's demographics than the current events in East Asia. They're just ahead of the curve btw it'll be your country in 20 years with your 1.0 TFR. Plus plague survivors can breed but later but people have just completely stopped and won't start again any time soon
>>221819386India's below replacement too only Bihar upholding the entire country the south has been below replacement for decades. Africa will fall under replacement - niggers are too incompetent to run a census and every tribe lies to increase their population and gibs count. You see it hard with Nigeria and the like. Congo hasn't had a census in 50 years they have no idea how many niggers live there.
>>221819438One of my sisters is 29 now and still unmarried and has 0 kids and doesn't plan to have them in the near future. Why? She's a pediatrician and prioritizes her career and her dreams of opening her own pediatric hospital or clinic over having a family. She's gotten a couple suitors over the years but she's refused all of them because she doesn't want to get tied down.
>please, take me in, saar
>>221819244There's no need for so many humans. South Korea is literally overcrowded.And the governments and the systems make it very hard for young people to get some money for good living or get a property. All they show them that there's no hope and you will slave all of your years for some food and anime figurines when you have some money left.
Why can't you survive with less people (if you close the borders). It will good for future young people not having to compete for jobs and housing.
>>221819576Because you speak socialism. The rich should get richer and the poor should get poorer.
I'd like to remind everyone that low birth rate isn't just because don't have kids, but also wait til 30~ to have kids. You can do some simple math to figure out how devastating not having kids at 20 is. Its literally apocalyptic.This would have resolved itself naturally but its literally a conspiracy to destroy entire peoples so our "leaders" dont do anything and the people are so pacified they can't resist or understand they're in a deathbattle.
>>221819568>>221819576This makes sense but life expectancy keeps climbing and with it the share of pensioners and dependents who require continuous social spending on uber expensive healthcare and pensions. The pie is rapidly shrinking but Grandpa and Grandma will need an increasingly larger share to survive.
you're a tad too obsessed with TFR and women's rights
>>221819614It's literally the education system. I'm stuck finishing a degree at 29 because I was too fucking poor and depressed when I was 17 to lock in. What else do you expect when everyone is wasting their prime sitting in fucking classrooms. There's 0 reason why most people can't go straight into the workforce at 15-16 asides from boomers forcing the education scam.
>>221819244you are a retarded drone or genuine shill repeating retarded propaganda 10 years ago earth was overpopulated but now its actually going into "catastrophic genocides" levels for populationSo which one is it retard?
>>221819639Most of our elders get poor and low pensions which are barely above the minimal wage.Yet still large parts of my salary are being cut to feed them. (actually not them, somehow the money are disappear, you know in whose pockets they disappear).
>>221819244but i'll give you a serious reply>1st gen: 1,000,000>2nd gen: 325,000 (67.5% reduction)>3rd gen: 105,625 (89.4% reduction)>4th gen: 34,328 (96.5% reduction)yeah that's assuming the world doesn't adjust a 100 years ago if the trajectory continued by now there'd be 100b of us instead of 8bstop
>>221819664My grandma have a degree and she had children at 24. My parents both have a degree and they had children at 26-27 yo.
>>221819559your sister doesn't want to get married to an egyptian and get beaten up and treated like property
>>221819704Your grandma lived in the USSR where housing was pretty much free.
>>221819722So now it turns out that the problem isn't "education system"? Huh?Don't you see ANY contradictions between your posts?
At this point most developed nations need their old to commit mass suicide to give the young a future, it wont happen ofc but its really that bad.
>>221819733Young people can't get their lives established at the minimum until ~30 because of all the life hurdles? We just gonna pretend as if the average college graduate doesn't start their adulthood at 23 or so? Education is by far the biggest impediment. Women's education has a massive link to fertility for a reason.
>>221819665>propaganda My country has 0 enemies in Asia why would i do that? The earth in general is probably "overpopulated" in underdeveloped regions but they're only growing despite not having the ability to provide for or even feed their growing populations. This doesn't apply to developed countries.>>221819702Economists love to project that TFR will go back to replacement eventually but so far ALL of their projections have failed. Market analogies fail to predict the reality of falling TFRs and its causes. Also a declining birth rate is completely different from the industrial revolution's population booms.
>>221819778>Education is by far the biggest impediment. Women's education has a massive link to fertility for a reason.So education is the problem, but I show an example which contradicts these words, you say that's because the problem is housing. But somehow education is the main problem?
>>221819781>This doesn't apply to developed countries.It does. There are too many people in the cities and in many countries the boom in 20th century was big.The western newspapers in 00s always were telling everyone how you need to think of our planet and stop breeding, because the planet is overpopulated. But now somehow the governments want everyone to breed.
>>221819781>my trajectories for the future are correct but yours are not! i can predict the far future but not youmate
>>221819540You assume the trend will continue and it can't change, if all fucking boomers died out and Spain was like 20 million people life could be a dream with easy affordable housing and all the wealth boomers hoarded would pass to young people and there would be a surge back in 3+ children families, youngster would fuck raw like rabbits. It would be back to good times like the 60s, 70s and 80s in Spain. Many times less is better.But you want the world to be recklessly copulating and have Cairo or New Delhi like shitholes and you type all smug from your overcrowded Cairo suburb with horrifying heat, electricity shortcuts, terrible traffic, no, hell no, if you want to cope and think heh but le egyptian female fertility rate is in the 5.2!!!!1!!1!11!1 Well so do, every thirdie has to cope some way or another, you are more than welcome to cope in this fashion but PLEASE, PLEASE, don't you even think for a second that le egyptian woman pumping little egyptian brown creatures is going to render a stronger, prosper Egypt, because it won't. You rely on Ukrainian grain and Ethiopian water and Sissy rules you over with a very tough iron fist for being a Sissy, Hosni Mubarak was the real sissy compared to him.
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>>221819900he is not interested in arguing >>221819781he just wants to project a retarded point that it's all women's rights fault
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>>221819781If I keep hearing the same the same talking points about tfr everywhere with no nuance or actual discussion then it is propaganda Even in this very thread there's more fearmongering than discussion
>>221819244does anyone other than parasites actually care about this
>>221819900That's bullshit, foids simply don't want kids because they want to travel, have dogs and cats and "discover their own identity" by fucking and sucking Chad like the retarded subhuman scum they are
>>221819244It's Over for Sardinia...Cagliari: 0.75Oristano: 0.81>SARDINIA: 0.85South Sardinia: 0.85Sassari: 0.89Nuoro: 1.00
>>221819987I've met plenty of beautiful young women full of energy that want to be bred and start a family and find purpose in that, and they desire this with their whole heart. You have to look at life with more optimism Enrico, there's a Giuletta for every Giuseppe out there
>>221819880You'll wake me up when picrel's trend starts going up?>>221819900Egypt is very overpopulated i agree. We'd greatly benefit from a reduced population. The same doesn't apply for Europe or Taiwan. Good luck making boomers collectively kill themselves >>221819926Why are you so upset mister? I've only been courteous to you this thread please return the favor and address my points
>>221819702How do you even expect TFR to go back? Government stepping in and just printing required number of babies? The preindustrial ultrareligious nuts (like Haredim) to make required number (downside is that good luck sustaining anything with them)Gene that makes twins more probably spreading far enough in society that pretty much every conception ending up with a twin, thus boosting overall fertility?
>>221820015I unfortunately know plenty of foids, and it seems they are all part of a hivemind which mandates them to further their (((career))) and spend all their money travellingMaybe a couple think about marriage seriously, but literally no one ever mentions having kids as something desirableShitaly is done and dusted
>>221820021We just need to devise some CRISPR engineered ultra infectious COVID-26 bioweapon that is ultra lethal to anyone 65+ or older, I think science is getting there and we can make lab viruses target hosts with certain biomarkers, also politicians have an incentive to solve the pensions debt problem with it, it will be a quiet sadly tragic pandemic that will cleanse the world of anyone born before 1960
>>221820079I hated when they tried to stop Covid with all means necessary when it was probably the only last good chance to cleanse the world of our old people surplus
>>221819736i sincerely support introducing active euthanasiaburden of young gen is just too heavy
>>221819660You're not obsessed enough
>>221819736I think we all eventually end up in a state where the elderly are pushed to suicide explicitly or implicitly simply due to their proper care being unaffordable. Either go to the suicide booth with some dignity intact or rot in a facility that is always understaffed.
>>221820128Start with the richest boomers and go down from there
>>221819914This is what breeding for the sake of breeding and "civilization" of the orient looks like. Bap talks about this.
>>221820021i addressed your point and you just said na uh>>221820060>how do you expect tfr to go back down?is something someone said not so long agohumans adjust based on whats around them and what's around us right now is a world with too many people and we are feeling the effects of it on housing and prices of thingswe consume 170% of what the earth can produce in a year and are only able to sustain that right now because we found ancient fossilized energy in the form of coal and oilit's in our DNA to correct our numbers and this is what is happening how were you expecting this poor planet to continue supplying a forever growing population?
>>221820104>old people surplusWhen you filter out immigrants, expats, and rapefugees (compare the 0-14 and 14-25 to the 25-65 cohort) that's the future majority for natives in the first world. The median age in Italy is currently 49.1 and the median EU-born citizen (incl. muslims) is 45.2
>>221819244It's funny how Thailand growing old before they really had a chance to get rich. I think lot of thirdie countries going to have the same fate.
>>221820211>something someone said not so long agoWho exactly? In the 19th century this would've been reasonable but Europe has been below replacement since the 70s.
>>221820280you must be a zoomer lmaoup till like 2020 every country was freaking out that there are too many people with stuff like china's one child policyall conspiracies were about how the elites want to depopulate the earth because it's too overpopulated
>>221819386>>Uncivilized Africans and Indians surviveTFR of both India and Africa is crashing, and at this pace India will be completely razed by the sun thanks to global warming and Africa will lose 90% of its population when the situation in the west worsens to the point they can't give infinite gibs anymore.
>>221820305>every country was freaking outPoland has been trying to raise TFR since 2015 with their Family500+ program when their TFR was 1.4 . The result? Their TFR has been in free fall since then and hit 1.1 in 2025.
>>221820448that's poland the global trend was still freak out about overpopulationyou can see it in media at the time too
>>221819639We should send them to Egypt
>>221819559Whore
>>221819716Libelous and not true, i will treat her right
>>221820256If firsties are all going to be replaced by thirdies looking for jobs, what is going to happen to third world cunts with equally shit birthrates? Are they just not going to have people anymore and have most of it be reclaimed by the forrest? Who’s going to make their elderly survive?
>>221819244Wow Thailand and Taiwan cracked lower than Korea .Asia is fuvked. They should be screeching louder then whites about dying outHell abos Māoris anwtindians should be the loudest and having bunch of kids on tax payers dime. But they rather mess around with Timmy and die and have muttsEast Asia is done maybe ww3 will get the birth rate up . Otherwise migration
>>221819326Yup Tyrone Raj and Abdul needs to breed them to save what they can
>>221819664Nope, it's a cultural thing. Few decades ago it was normal to already be married while attending the university.People don't have kids because they don't want to, because it would end their comfortable life.
>>221819397Except Israel
>>221819244Or the TFR will just change on its own as population decreasesOr you could kill everyone who supports abortion and simultaneously kill anyone convicted of rape, and watch as your TFR magically recovers despite the huge loss in initial population
>>221820879And that whole "birth crisis" is overblown. If you're just an average dude then the only thing that should concern you is that whether you want to die alone, not the amount of kids that other people have.You know who benefits from the constantly growing population? Elites, because to them, it means cheaper labor.
>>221820879Yeah I buy more into the cultural argument than economic one. Here we have free schooling, kindergarden, healthcare etc (or cost is very low). Kids are still rare.
>>221820015Yeah I know a whole truckload of pure virgins who volunteer at animal shelters and are devoted to egalitarianism and are pro-life and are just waiting for the right quiet considerate guys who like reading and hugs and loyalty and human decency to enter their livesThey're right inside the clinic nearest you with the "we sell organs" sign outside go right the fuck in man
>>221819553True but knowing Indians they’ll bounce back eventually. They got time till 2060 before population starts shrinking. But by then they likely would’ve take. Over the west and had their kids here>>221819716Literally said this about western man>>221820914Possible but think ww3 might do it when Gen Alpha is of age
>>221819540>It won't be your people or society anymore. This is not survival and you probably won't get to pass on your language or culture before you're extinct and those groups take overwhoa cool it with the anti-semitic remarks
>>221819244Mongolia Cambodia Laos Myanmar are the only Asian nations doing okIndonesia Vietnam Philippines barely above waterRest is screwed like a turtle on its back
>>221819244society will survive, but capitalism and the retirement ponzi scheme won't elites infighting and their destructive behavior will be pretty bad too
>>221819244>Not even most genocides are this catastrophicThe same could be said about most invasions in relation to western countries' increasing percentage of foreign population. Going from 0% foreign to over 50% in one generation is something that has almost never happened even with the most numerous and bloodthirsty invasions and yet it's normal in Western Europe and USA.Basically, globalism, liberalism and capitalism are suicide cults that destroy nations and people.
>>221819244What if during 4th generation when population is that low people start reproducing more again and it starts grow again? It would just be good to get population lower. Problem is that it should happen countries like in Africa, and that we shouldn't bring thirdies to our countries when our population starts decrease.
>>221819926Bro why are you like that? Collapsing tfr is a civilizational disaster, and we should be able to discuss all aspects of it
>>221820060>How do you even expect TFR togo back? Religious nuts, maybe? Finland has religious sects with very high tfr. Once all the other folks die off, they will inherit the country. Tfr will go up when only high tfr populations remain. Not sure if that's great for humanity but still
Having kids is one of the worst financial decisions you can make
>>221819244We can watch a needless nation is vanishing out.
>>221820757I guess import workers from even more poor thridie countries. World is a pyramid of different levels of poorfags after all.
>>221821331Homegrown religious zealots could be a valid solution like Israel's scheme with the Hasidim but Scandis and Euros in general just aren't religious enough for it to be effective or for their governments to find enough zealots to subsidize. Finding political support for this would be very difficult too and they'll destabilize your cunt exactly like the Hasidim in Israel do but it's better than extinction. Foreign religious zealots are probably an extremely unwise idea though.
>>221819244Vast majority of "people" are soulless NPCs anyways, it's a good thing there's going to be less of them
why should people have kids though
>>221823478Because people grow old and die and we need new people or people will stop existing.>inb4 why should i care about peopleBecause people make up the society you live in and their work is the reason you don't live in a jungle and wrestle wild boars for their dinner. You have to care if you don't want to live in a jungle.
>>221823109We do have religious protestant christian movements with a high tfr, and they're less cancerous than their jewish counterparts for example. They're small, sure, but with their tfr, their bound to grow
>>221820757>Are they just not going to have people anymore and have most of it be reclaimed by the forrest?this would be the best scenario for those countries
>>221819244Like it or not, but the Catholic Church has been vindicated. Birth control, abortion, homosexuality, and pornography have been absolutely disastrous for humanity. Its species ending stuff
>>221819244you need to pay me with big bunda hoes
>>221820978>Cambodia Laos MyanmarOh yeah that's why they all literally flock here, because their homelands are paradise.
>>221823540Ok but you're thinking at a macro levelAt a micro level, what incentive is there to have kids nowadays
If you have pensions and don't have baby fever? None. Maybe it'd be worth it if you're a minority collectivist group fighting demographic warfare like Jews and Muslims but you're not so no.
>>221825104Meant for >>221824999
>>221824145gawd dayum she got even thicker?
>>221824999You’ll find out when you get up into your 40s and family members start dying in real numbers. That’s usually around the time real regret starts setting in. Or you start adopting ever more extreme coping mechanisms to your loss of family and community/isolate yourself from the world entirely
>>221819244Robots will do the work and everyone will get UBI.
>>221819244literally the first time this happened in history people who claim to know the solution have their own sinister agenda
>>221824109all of these things predate christianity and somehow we are still here
>>221824109Good spread it evewhere, the degenerate stuff I mean.
>>221827289I mean not really. Vienna had a 0.7 TFR in the 1930s
>>221819900Boomers aren't going to die bro. Every cent will be squeezed out of you, every state asset sold off, every square metre of land populated by an immigrant, so that money can be put into the healthcare system to keep the braindead corpses of boomers alive.
>>221827001>everyone will get UBI.lol.
