Poland is now richer than Spain despite suffering under communism for 50 years.What went wrong for Spain?What went right for Poland?
>>221832440>DespiteBecause
I'm proud of my polish ancestors :)
Differences in English-language proficiency is probably a big factor.
>>221832548spanish is much more similar to english than polish is though
>>221832440EU bux.
>>221832617And yet the great majority of Spaniards can’t speak or understand English
>GDP: Spain’s economy is 2× larger than Poland's >GDP per Capita: 1.5 times bigger in Spain>Human development index: Spain is usually around top 25–30 globally, while Poland is around top 35–40 — roughly 10 places higher for Spain.>Quality of Life Index gives Spain 189.5 vs 160.6 for Poland.Where are you getting your info from German bro? It's all fucked
>>221832440Go home.
>>221832513This. The infrastructure set up by communism allowed Poland to bounce back from WW2, too bad they're dumb catho-talibans though
>>221832769Ywn be beige
>>221832704sounds like the definition of a skill issue then
>>221832769Poland officially surpassed Spain in average income per person, adjusted for the cost of living (Purchasing Power Parity or PPP). According to IMF data, the average Polish income per capita reached about \(\$58,560\) slightly edging ahead of Spain’s \(\$58,350\) This marks a major economic milestone for the nation.you're not spanish btw
>>221832440>What went wrong for Spain? Stagnant economy due to taking the middle of the road option of free market with poor centralization characteristics because separatists would use anything they can as ammunition which leads to fleeing talent while foreigners gentrify the country without bringing worthwhile investment.>What went right for Poland?The EU giving them loadsamone.
>>221832792you're not spanish
Why are slavic catholics better than med catholics?
>>221832911but I am and I agree
>>221832849Well yeah. It’s only been in the last few decades that English has been taught in schools at all, and foreign media like movies and TV shows all get dubbed in Spanish. I don’t think Spanish people understand how hard they’re screwing themselves economically by refusing to adapt to a global English-speaking market. They figure they can just trade with Latin America and that’s it.
>>221832440Poland is higher IQspaniards are very arab
>>221833108Poland A and Warsaw carry your country, the eastern parts are Zambia-tier
>>221832879>>221832831The fuck are you retards even talking about
>>221833108>Poland is higher IQ>spaniards are very arab
The MI6 tourists from England are ruining our beaches and economy o algo
>>221833258you never been to Poland>>221833393you not been able to find real IQ studies proves my point LOL
>>221833414Lmao Zuttkaner droped the vpn hahahahahahhahahahahaha
>>221833414>>221833494HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>221833414O ZUTTKANER
>>221833414>>221833494ZUTTKANER DONT BEATING THE ALEGATIONS HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>221832617are you retarded?
>>221833414SAAAARRR ORGANIC POSTING WHILE SHITTING ON STREET SAAARR
>>221832440Spain lost its coloniesPoland was under state-planned capitalism that laid the foundations for its industrialisation.
>>221833753Are you?It takes ~600hrs to learn Spanish as an EFLPolish is ~1100
>>221832440Spain was suffering 50 years under facism, so tit for tat
>>221832704That's because you are as retarded as the french, minus the overinflated ego
>>221833834I like tits
>>221833834Spanish people claim that Franco saved them tho
>>221833803Polish people learn English faster than spanishPolish is closer to english than Spanish that is just bastardized Latin
>>221833258Not at all. In many metrics Poland B outshines Poland A. Less crime, better students, less aids.
>>221833930You learn English faster because you are smarter and less lazy despite it actually being harder for you
>>221833977Polish and English have pretty much 1 to 1 the same structure
>>221832440>What went right for Poland?>suffering under communism for 50 years.what doesn't kill us makes us stronger.
>>221834025It's objectively easier for a Spanish native to learn English than a polish native to learn English. Every language institution backs this up
>>221834086ur coping and seething
>>221834164I don't understand what you think you stand to gain by lying about this
>>221834435i am not laying you low IQ germanoid
>>221832440>Poland is now richer than Spain No it is not. where do people even get this from?
i don't think spain is poorer than poland and everything is cheaper in polandbarcelona has a cost of living similar to seoul or tokyo, but warsaw is cheaper than moscow or even shanghaii bet the minimum wage of poland is much lower compared to spain's
>>221833473Are these real IQ by numbers by Lynn? Who has been getting assblasted left,right, and center after they found major discrepansies in his metrics ? My favorite one was when he compared the IQ of 8 year olds vs 12 year olds and called it a day.
>>221834763yes IT is you low IQ gypsy
>>221834833https://openpsych.net/files/papers/Parra_2025a.pdfno Lynn is dead already this is new study from 2025 btw IQ of romania is 86 AHAHAHAHHA
>>221834763they are coPPPing
>>221834890you can cope harder Ivan
>>221834599Google "is it easier for a polish native to learn English or a spanish native"You are wrong
>>221832879>poor people point
>NOOOO you can't take into account cost of livingSlavs wonmeds lostplus meds get humiliated by their economy being based on tourism
>>221834843i don't trust ppp much south korea's ppp is higher than that of the uk and francein western europe, there are almost no countries with a higher ppp than south korea, except for small northern european like switzerland or norwayand i don't feel well-off at all
>>221835058half of korea lives in seoul that is not the case for UK and Francecities are expensive but Paris and London are much more expensive than Seoul
>>221832440it got richer because of communism hans
>>221835249t. BRICS vira lata
>>221835432do you understand what vira lata means
>>221835468inferiority complex (collective, Brazilian)
>>221835058GDP PPP says New Zealand is barely better than Russia. Canada has 12k more than NZ while NZ is only 6k above Russia, and people don't think of NZ as poor in the same way they think of Russia. Meanwhile USA is an entire 24k above Canada.I expect it's accurate but you can make lots of surprising and unintuitive comparisons for sure.
>>221833414oh no no nowe need to check our VPNs
>>221835504towards being brazilian, i love being brazilian, how am i a vira lata
>>221832879>PPPthat doesn't project power or do shit for any shitit's just a poor way of coping
>>221834883PISA exams really? Are you retarded? Have you ever wondered how they make the conversion? They even use data from Lynn.
>>221835605your nationalism and leftist/communist beliefs are due to your inferiority complex
>>221835561Russia lies about it statistics >>221835730you really are retarded
>>221832440This is nuts
>>221832704And thats a good thing. If all the retards, browns and gypsies we have here go online without the language barrier we would become the next india almost overnight.
German gibsBut spain also recives german gibs so poland was just better at country neeting
>>221836456we paid you something like 30 billions last year
>>221836555Poland has been the biggest net recipient of EU gibs for many years now lmao. You aren't paying anybody shit
>>221835809No you are retarded. Does their formula account for study time ? IQ isn't based only on some correct answers on a test. Matter of fact IQ test isn't based on the number of the correct answers but the difficulty of the test itself. These idiots correlate 2 different things cause they are a bit similar in a broad sense.
>>221836555why did you pay norway? should have paid germoney. Or was it reperations from all the stolen cars and bikes?
>>221836850>>221836904you both are low IQ
>>221836937Ad hominem, the go to for retards.
>>221835809>Yes, Russia lies about and manipulates their statistics.>source: Voice UkraineThanks for the laugh, polack.
>>221833414ZUTTKANER WHAT HAPPENED???LMAOOOOO
What a controversial thread
>>221836937If test A tests apples and test B tests bananas are both of these tests correlated because they are tests and test fruits or are they different because they test different types of fruit? I hope you can understand it like this.
What a cuntroversial thread
i dont belive poland is richer then spain but also my opinion dosnt matter so
>>221832440Because Spanish people are stupid, impulsive and lazy. Nothing works and all they can do is scratch their balls and sleep. My friend had a seizure and it took the ambulance one hour to arrive after two calls, everything is always on strike, the taxes are shit and all go god knows where, public upkeep is nonexistant, your appartment can get taken over by bums and it's illegal to remove them.
>>221838197data is no a believe system
>>221837179>Russia doesn't lie and is also based and will save the white race by replacing whites with chechens>Source: RTThanks for the laugh retard
>>221838424gdp is not wealth (I know you'll ignore this message because you're a troll)
>>221832440>What went wrong for Spain?Democracy>What went right for Poland?Not being communist
>>221838555UBSnobody cares about your meme numbers
>>221833108>Berbertugal
>>221838639>data doesn't lie>nooo this data is a memenice copealso major polish companies vs major spanish companieswhy does poland not have any big companies despite being wealthier allegedly?is it because your economy is just gibs and foreign firms outsourcing with little internal wealth creation?
>>221838262grim
>>221838766Poland is objectively richer than Spain and you are just coping brownoid
>>221839194nobody cares about returns on stocks for measuring wealth (could be proxy for growth but you're a thirdie shithole so growth is expectedly faster), market cap is what matters
>>221839344how many of those are south american companies listed in madrid retard?you are sub 80IQ arab
>>221839194i should have invested in poland :(
>>221835044>meds get humiliated by their economy being based on tourism.European ranking (tourism and GDP):Montenegro: 25% of GDP.Croatia: 20% of GDP.Iceland: 14% of GDP. Spain: 13% of GDP (4% with late Franco, before joining the EU scam which has ruined our industry and primary sector).Greece: 12% of GDP. Portugal: 11% of GDP. Italy: 9% of GDP.
>>221839401holy cope
>>221839721there is a reason why you live in a poor shithole even tho you get 15% of gdp gibbs from OIL the reason is:ALGERIANS are retarded 80IQ arab cattle
>>221839756>can't argue with numbers so resorts to ad hominemI accept your concession
>>221839844what numbers?this number?: Algeria 80IQ
>>221839571The entire continent of europe invested in poland and all we got in return was car stealing plumbers and arrogant poles on imageboards completely convinced they grew to first world levels with just their own hard work
>>221840189you been seething for months everyday about Poland did a Pole fuck your sister you subhuman?
why are poles so angry all the timr. Just chill dude no need to be so mad. You are first world central european or whatever we get it.
>>221839699first 3 are microstatesspain is ostensibly a serious large country
>>221840234Ah there is the over sensitive polish hospitality we all love This is the first time in at least half a year i post about poland btw but good to see im not alone, the complete lack of gratitude must be noticed by others too
>>221840254it's just one schizo retard, ignore him
>>221840254you are a little asian gnome>>221840328seethe harder subhuman
poland had the best pope too, possibly the only catholics worthy of any respect
>>221840390You sound like an angry chihuahua.
>>221832792We had a 30 years of recession under communism, brainiac
spanish peepo brownpolish peepo whiteez
>>221839699Last real data (2026) for Spain is 6%.Andorra: 66%.Malta: 26%.Albania: 22%.Montenegro: 20%.Croatia: 18%.Portugal: 11%.Cyprus, Greece, Iceland: 10%.Luxembourg, Bosnia: 7%.Spain: 6%.Austria, Hungary: 5%.
>>221840928>incomplete dataholy cope
can we stop talking about Poland and focus on Indonesia?
Why do poles have the need to make these threads? It's either this or about Warsaw's skyscrapers or how Russian wages are low. This is an anime website, no one here cares about economy
>>221840996you cope because your poor and full of Indians
>>221834833His numbers are accurate, they're just uncomfortable for most people. That's why nobody is interested in repeating the tests, because they're afraid that their findings would mirror Lynn's. So instead they're just trying to discredit the man in any way possible.
>>221840996poor niggas love boasting about gdp like it moves the needle solely by having it growing
>>221832440Communism actually unlocks your potential and makes you richer in the long run
>>221835003>>221835623Polish factory worker lives in bumfuck town and pays 300 euros for rents while all spainiards pay 1200 euro because all cities are occupied by tourists but he is somehow richer than the pole because he earns 100 euro higher net wage
>>221832513trvke
>>221835058Germany is richer in ppp than south korea
>>221832440siesta, siesta! more breaks, less work! SIESTA! lazy, unproductive, debt-ridden
>>221840482>30 years of recession under communismSocialist systems don't have a business cycle. There are no recessions. The word you're looking for is "stagnation".
>>221841776Thirty five years of continuous GDP and wage growth does make a huge difference though.Nonironically, growth of economy in Poland in 1990-2020 is comparable to Chinese one.>>221842192Don't forget they are "wealthier" than Poles cause their landlords own couple of apartments in the coast, and those apartments, despite being occupied and in poor condition are worth more on paper than standard polish real estate.
>>221832513No, he was right. The eastern bloc was largely primitive thanks to the commie rats kleptocracy
>>221832513TRVKE. Communism built their infrastructure and educated their population, and ensured that rampant capitalism never created inefficient monopolies, and ensured that when they transitioned to a market economy that the workers had rights and good pay. All things necessary for a healthy growing economy.
That's a good one. In reality, we MIGHT be able to be richer than Spain IF we manage to sustain a higher GDP for at least a few decades.
>>221839699>montenigger at 25 percentMust be serbs and russians I reckon, that's nuts
>>221842143It hasn't done that for anyone yet>inb4 chinaLol not communist
>>221842257>leaving behind propoganda machines all in an effort to shift the de jure ethnicity to panslavism under russian ruleHospitals are nice though I guess
>>221832440W Poles
>>221844663Without Mao to kill all the landlord leeches China would be India tier todaySomething that a lot of people miss when talking about why third world countries stay poor is the parasitic rent-seeking upper class in these countries that do everything in their power to prevent any sort of meaningful industrialization
>>221844611> and ensured that rampant capitalism never created inefficient monopoliesOh we had plenty of super-inefficient monopolies. Vast majority of economy was like that, actually. They were just state owned, not private.
>>221844727It worked out for japan. China didn't meaningfully industrialize until after mao's death. I guess it depends on your definition of meaningful, anyway.
>>221844727That's a good one. Sometimes I like to read up on some of Mao's most ridiculous policies, just for laughs. Guy was such an incompetent fool, like African dictator level :)
>>221840996When I first discovered this board there were zero talk of GDP and things like that. Where do these people even come from lol. Or is this just like 4 people spamming the board making up the majority of posts or something?
>>221844727China was literally on India level in 1980s. They got rich in 90s and 00s when they abandoned retarded marxism and allowed for semi free market.
>>221844785>Or is this just like 4 people spamming the board making up the majority of posts or something?Yes. Well, more like 10ish
>>221844758>It worked out for japan.This might come as a shock to you but Japan also decapitated its rentier class during the Meiji restoration.
>enter thread>people discussing about differences between Poland and Spain >go to the bottom of the thread>people talks about ChinaI'm tired boss
>>221832440>imagine getting mogged by polan
>>221844867Wait, in Western Europe cafes can't leave out tables and chairs at night? Never noticed that
>>221844758Japan had the Meiji restoration, which demolished the samurai as a class, and that was close enough for japan. The point is that in traditional societies, these types of rent seeking traditional feudal tendencies must be culled for industrialization to be possible. In China, this came with a communist face. That was the trend in the 20th century, especially against the backdrop of anti colonialism and rising Soviet power as counterweight against the west.>>221844805and where is India now?
>>221844937Why don't you tell us about Indonesia, instead?
>>221842143Like Cambodia or North Korea?
>>221844985Indonesia didnt have a mao to kill all the rent seeking leeches in this countryThat's why we're poorI'm talking from experience here>>221845005The Khmer Rouge was not truly communist, they were essentially just a whacko peasant chimpout. If it happened 100 years earlier it would have a similar aesthetic to the Taiping rebellion.North Korea, they were hijacked by the Kims who essentially became monarchs aka a giant rent seeking leech.
>>221845053You seem rather obsessed with the landlord thing. Meanwhile, in China people don't hesitate to violate the sanctity of marriage for gain: https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-37257747This is pure Mao legacy by the way: decades of crass deprivation made people as cutthroat and cynical as it gets.
>>221845053Lmao, you commies are just so funny...
>>221845053UK literally started the industrial revolution, created economical and militarily superpower and conquered half of the world with those landlords being in power. They still have monarchy, state church, aristocracy and House of Lords. Same for Scandinavia (i.e. in progress and development, not conquering the world)It's skill issue. Your and Indian elites just suck, it doesn't matter if you change the elites from landlords to communist party.
>>221845199The fact that communism got more popular than socialism is something that will pull back humanity like a century in progress.
based poles
>>221845504We didn't do anything special, really. Same thing happen in Czechia, Hungary, Baltics, Romania, etc. Maybe the thing that makes us different is that we started a little bit earlier and didn't create a class of oligarchs.It's simple, join the EU and NATO. Western corporations just wanted this country of 40 mln people which they can change into European level (almost) workers and consumers. Same for EU, that's why we get those subsidies. It's profitable for them, so it was a safe investment. Same shit and development will probably happen in Ukraine after the war.
>>221845178irrelevant>>221845228and how is that my fault? what recourse do we common people have when "our elites suck"? answer that. my answer? It's obvious that we should kill them. You can call it communism, fascism, anarchism, liberalism, whatever. What matters is dealing with the issue with a heavy hand. Like a wise Chinese man that I am sure you are so fond of said, "it doesn't matter the color of the cat as long as it catches the mice".
>>221846021>my answer? It's obvious that we should kill them.How can you be sure that that will fix the problem? What if it doesn't? What's your plan B?
>>221846166because the problem is obvious. when your floor is wet, what do you do? you pick up the mop, and mop it up. when your elites fail you and make you suffer, you kill them.
>>221832440>What went wrong for Spain?Africans.>>221832513HAHAHA HAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHACope harder your people were looting and tootin for a hundred years as an empire and then you became a shithole along with Portugal
>>221846283>>221846021And what after that? You start a bloody revolution, kill all elites. And then? Even worse elites take their place.Congratulations, you've waisted a decade and lives of millions people.>and how is that my fault?It's not>what recourse do we common people have when "our elites suck"? answer that.Educate. Organise. Work on the grassroots. Try to become a leader for your community. Fight for your rights and challange their position. Learn what positivists, social democrats did in Europe in 19th century, try to adapt that for your country and culture.>>221846337Hello Moshe
>>221846283What if the floor is wet because the roof is leaking? Moping the floor wouldn't really fix anything.>>221846337Take a look at the country that is right below Spain here >>221834843
>>221832677This, end of the thread
>>221833108>>221838694It's not that high
>>221846470Spainigga you were the biggest EU bux recepient in 90s and early 00s. Your empire conquered two thirds of America. Amount of gold you've looted was big enough to cause hyperinflation in early modern Europe.What happen to that money?
>>221839571Honestly you probably should, polish stock market is greatly undervalued it will only grow more
>>221846509>>221839571he's half joking but Poland is a safe bet for next 10-20 years, if you really wanna invest long term. Then probably the demographics / military spending will catch up, but you can still earn money on Poland if you can.Big corpos are still moving their offices / factories here; EU is still giving us a lot of eurobux...
>>221846337>Still sour over 1492You're not getting an apology
>>221846402>>221846364of course, there are other things, other details that need to be taken care of. But all your education, organization, connecting with the community, all that would be for nothing if you go against what the elites want and they'll just blackball you or straight up murder you. At some point, you have to kill them because they are literally in the way.Plenty of lessons from my country. You may not like communists, but there are a lot of things you can learn from them. In Indonesia, the Communist Party attempted a couple of rebellions, but they were always put down by either the colonial government or the new nationalist government. So what did they do? They put their heads down, started to organize in the grassroots, and participated in legit elections. Through their efforts, they came fourth in Indonesia's first legit elections and became the largest communist party outside of China and the Soviet union. But all those efforts were for nothing, because later on they would all be killed by the new military regime anyway.The moral of the story is, at some point, you have to kill or be killed. Of course it's important to educate and organize, but you have to know who your enemies are and be ready to kill when the time is right.I'm sure you understand. In Poland, if you think the communists are so bad, if they refused to step down and become more like the Kims in Korea, would you be against killing them?
>>221833108Emirate of Poortuqhal
>>221846733In Poland, if you think the communists are so bad, if they refused to step down and become more like the Kims in Korea, would you be against killing them?No, I see your point now. One must avoid revolution when it's possible. But if the change without revolution becomes impossible, then revolution becomes necessary
>>221834025>>221834164Half of English vocabulary is ripped from latin so it's easy to learn for Spaniards, while 0% is from slavic.The reason we're so bad at english is we're retarded and lazyIt's even worse for the french because they forced the anglos to latinize and they're just as bad at it as us
Poland is not richer than Spain right now despite the poor people pointsHOWEVER, while poles and other easterners are on the rise, we are in full free-fall untergang like the rest of the abendlandes and Pooland will undoubtedly surpass us eventually
Why are Mediterranean women crazy? I'm not even only referring to the short tempered scoundrels, even the ones who are mild manored have something seriously not right about then, they're not totally all there in the mind
>>221835249And how's that?
>>221846821We do have like 30/40% of vocabulary from Latin, French, German or English.So when it comes to vocabulary it's not that hard for Poles either.>>221846879We're Catholic Centrals, not easteners. Cold war ended 37 years ago
>>221846937There is no why, it just the way they are. We had effective ways to keep them pacified but they are frowned upon in this horrible day and age. Cum&dump if you must, but do not start anything long term with them or you will regret it. Doubly so if they are italian, the worst of them all.
>>221847118My friend dated one for a few years. Seemed like a nice girl the few times I met her. Very sweet, outgoing, physical. Then they broke seemingly out of nowhere. I don't know the details, but she basically drove him to suicide. My friend is doing a lot better mentally now.
>>221847100>We're Catholic Centrals, not easteners. Cold war ended 37 years agoSorry but that's a cope, no one west of you considers you central euro, that is reserved for Germans, austrians, and swiss. you could MAYBE stretch it to czechs
>>221847242you're barely western european yourself tho
>>221847256Western & Southern. Purely western would be France, the rest all have a nordic or southern flair>Let me tell you about your countryfuck off yank
>>221847242I don't care for your opinion
>>221835561>GDP PPP says New Zealand is barely better than RussiaIt is, NZ is rural shithole in god's forbidden placeThere's no place in New Zealand that gives you such prospects and standards of living like MoscowThe fact that some russian regions look bad doesn't mean a lot here, USA has a lot of shitholes as well but you didn't mention them
>>221845228>They still have monarchy, state church, aristocracy and House of Lords.We should have overthrown them centuries ago, we would be better off today if we had.
>>221835561>>221847448No ironically that’s true to some extent NZ biggest export is what, sheep? Steam controllers? Russia got gas, oil, rare minerals, gigacities, it's own IT complex and fucking nuclear submarines.
>>221847500You did try with Cromwell, how did that go?
>>221847571Cromwel is probably the worst leader England has ever had, he just replaced the old monarchy with a new one, with himself as king, he also committed so many atrocities against civilians, amd he let the Jews back in pto England, an action that the UK is still suffering from to this day. Jews were the real rulers of the British empire.
>>221833803600HThat's too optimistic, you might get able to express yourself, it's just that we're not that anal about "being ESL", learning a foreign language is hard, and you only build proficiency by using it regularly and learning from your own mistakes.
>>221832769You will always be spanish and my brother
>>221832513retard
>>221847100>We're Catholic Centrals, not easteners. Cold war ended 37 years agoI've seen what westoid countries are like and I don't mind being an eastoid anymore. I guess that's what Byzantines must have felt before Rome fell apart. The central thing is too desperate to pass, we gotta reclaim eastern europe instead and change its image.
>>221847863Have you seen Moldova, Ukraine, Russia though? No? Shut up then.
>>221832513>DespiteDespise>>221832769Even if we were 1% poorer than Spain, it wouldn't change anything. I'm happy in Poland, that's all that matters>>221832907I've noticed that people like you love to attribute Polish successes to external factors. Interesting, isn't it? :D>>221833834Spain suffers under the European Union>>221840254Unbearable users with Polish flags are not Poles. Our enemies are conducting a psychological operation, pretending to be Poles and being extremely irritating, in order to artificially create this stereotype and for you to associate Poles with annoying behaviourYour post is proof of their success. However, in the relationship between the liar and the person being lied to, if the latter believes the former's lies, should we call it a success for the liar or a failure for the person being lied to?
