They literally didn't build anything until Swedes found them and taught them science, art and how to speak.It's like a New Worlder country trapped in an Old Worlder body.
>>221864455?this is 4500 years old
Finnish history is indeed a weird meme. Same goes for the rest of the baltics when I think about it.
>>221864513>a pile of rocksI stand corrected.
if it wasn't for russia would all finns be swedes today?
>>221864513nobody really knows what it was for, temple or castle maybe.
>>221864602It's not impossible, depends how this alt-history would proceed. Maybe we'd end up as samis are in Sweden today.
>>221864513>>221864626This is really cool. I didn't know Finland had megalithic ruins like this
>>221864455>It's like a New Worlder country trapped in an Old Worlder body.Dont project yourself, gringo.That only applies to North America & Patagonia.Mesoamerica & andes has had civilization & urbanity for hundreds of years prior to european contact.
>>221864589well obviously there would have been wooden construction but nothing wooden survives that long. there are almost 50(!) similar structures in Finland. They are seemingly also aligned with astronomical phenomena as usual with megalithic structures.>>221864694
Russians trying to sow division between Sweden and Finland.
>>221864714Well, Mexico is the opposite. It's a Old Worlder trapped in a New World.
>>221864714North America had civilizations as well, but those didn't survive contact with whiteys.
Of course indo-european barbarians would know nothing about our glorious past. Watch these videos and educate yourself.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2mOwES0CCQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm_pNfEdCjM
>>221864602Swedes got their head we were jewsih, buiding a myth of Finns being lost tribe Israel.Ofc, that would allow sweden gain themselves biblical history and more christian power as Finns in their living relics.
>>221864602Doubt it, Finns got too much a distinct identity to not eventually start trying to gain independence in some form or another. Especially in the 19th and 20th century when that became common place in the world.
>>221864816It was Moon-eyed People Hyberborea actually before the savage red man Lamanites came and destroyed all of it.
>>221864765during the viking age and iron age a 100(!) castles/hill-forts were built in Finland
>>221864868WE
>>221864513just impressive
>>221864900DAS RITE WELSH INJUNS
>>221864672>>221864835were swedes more widespread in finland before the area was ceded to russia? or were they always mostly confined to aland and the two two mainland areas?>>221864835crazy how so many people have been linked to stupid kk just because people were so psyopped by christianity in the past
>>221864848perhaps but there are other multiethnic countries that never broke up
>>221864602>>221864672Sweden never pursued or attempted to wipe out Finnish identity or language. so no. On the other hand, if it weren't for Sweden we WOULD have ended up like the Karelians
>>221864929We are living inside a simulation
>>221864985>if it weren't for Sweden we WOULD have ended up like the Karelianswdym?
>>221865008Karelians are almost extinct today, with Karelia overrun by russians. A fate shared by MANY other finnic groups. Like the Vots, Izhorians and Veps people.
swede anons, were any of the towns or regions in finland important historically or culturally for sweden?finn anons, were any of the towns or regions in the area that was ceded to russia after wwii important historically or culturally for finns?i've kinda been obsessed lately with countries that were created after being torn apart from other country by a colonizing power or states that were partitioned/divided.
>>221865107vyborg was important for finland
>>221865068do you think if sweden hadn't colonized finland then it would have been colonized by russia much earlier? perhaps, although maybe you would've been invaded by germans during the northern crusades like estonia and latvia. if that happened maybe estonians and finns would've developed a shared national conscientiousness in the 19th century
>>221865133seems like a cute town
>>221865107>>221865133yeah it was a large industrial centre and city with much historyalso hundreds of thousands of finnish karelians evacuated to finland because they didn't want to be a part of the soviet union
>>221865107>In 1939, Vyborg had approximately 86,000 inhabitants. Vyborg had sizable minorities of Swedes, Germans, Russians, Romani, Tatars and Jews. >Vyborg was the junction of five railways and its rail yard was the largest in the Nordic countries. The Vyborg-Terijoki section of the railway was the busiest section in Finland. In general, the rail network of the Karelian Isthmus was the densest in the entire country.> All of Finland considered Vyborg the "Mecca" of Finnish art life, whose old historical urban environment helped inspire artists to create.>Vyborg was a trading city, with many merchant families originating from the Kareian Isthmus and other parts of Finland, as well as Central Europe, Scandinavia and Russia. The Vuoksi region was considered the Ruhr of Finland in the 1930s.>Finland's first bus station was built in Vyborg in 1932. The densely populated Karelian Isthmus was a favorable area for bus traffic.>The traditions of urban culture and construction were unique in the entire country. After all, no other Finnish city had buildings from the 15th and 16th centuries. Efforts were made to preserve and protect this uniqueness.
>>221865195it was, but russians ran it down pretty badly they are notorious for ruining old buildings and culture
>>221865107Karelia is the land of song and spiritual homeland for Finns. Vyborg had a swedish speaking minority, so it was the eastern most outpost of Swedishness.>>221865170yeah basically Sweden and Novgorod fought over Finland in like 10 wars. If Sweden didn't exist Finland would've been part of Novgorod and Russia for almost a thousand years at this point. Of course there's so many ifs, like if Sweden didn't exist then who would be there instead? or the entire landmass? and maybe Finnish people would have formed our own kingdom, estimates say we would have needed 100-200 years more to develop in peace for that to happen.
>>221864455It's one of those things they oddly share with Iceland but divides us from Scandinavia. Though in our case it's just because we were settled so late.
The Finnish had Karelia which was a mythical land protected by deep forests. Swedes lived on the coast and were traders. It was an amiccable relationship until christian retards started oppressing the finns and making them fuedal slaves.
swedish history is finnish history
>>221865419Our history got kind of deleted when we end to be borderzone for sweden and russia for thousand of years.Our geopolitical location were never best from the starters when every new technology came from places such Italy.
>>221865258it was that perfectthat's why russians haven't built a single new building since occupying it
>>221864543Egypt and Iran and India and Ethiopia can have their super duper long history, luckily we're strong in the things that matter
>>221865107Turku was the second largest city in Sweden after Stockholm for hundreds of years.
>>221864455Finnish history is basically:>get conquered and raped by invading steppe herders>get conquered and raped by invading Swedes>get conquered and raped by invading Russians >get conquered and raped by invading Swedes again>get conquered and raped by invading Russians again
>>221865318Most of your landmark architecture is imperial russian though
>>221868194kys amerimutt, we raped yamna and so called aryans to existions when whe came europe.
>>221865068>Vots, Vepshehe funni names
>>221865068>Karelians are almost extinct todayThey're literally the only real finns, "finns" as in finnish nationals have nothing to do with Finnish culture
>>221865593Russians built it initially though, all of it was built by Russians
>>221868321>WE WUZ INVADERSThis is exactly why I hate Finnish posters so much. You guys are basically Nordic hoteps trying to claim original ownership of everything in Europe.Finns constantly flip between claiming to be sami, nomadic steppe people, fennoswedes, or "pure" Finns (whatever that is). You pick and choose whatever identity is convenient for you given the context of whatever pointless argument you're engaging in. It's no different from an American bringing up their 1/8th Irish/Cherokee/English/etc. whenever they want to make themselves seem more interesting.
>>221864985>Sweden never pursued or attempted to wipe out Finnish identity or languagearen't you forced to learn swedish in school to this day?
>>221869879And that is "wiping out of Finnish identity/language" how?
>>221868305proof?
>>221870123Learning second language, you can no longer speak your first language. It's the same cope they use when they larp about Scandis speaking English instead of our native languages (we don't).
>>221869879>>221870123the>to this dayis also quite misleading, you even hear Swedes say this line. In reality it only became mandatory in the 60s. So it is a modern phenomena, not an ancient relic.
>>221864455Yeah
>>221869084KEK
>>221869084Are you under the impression that Finland is a hivemind?
>>221873242It's a bifurcated or dualistic hivemind if we are to speak scientifically. The Fennoswede hive protects its accrued colonial wealth through hive conspiracy while the Finno-Ugric hive synergy is severely attenuated via psychoswedical warfare. Learn your history.
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>>221864602If it wasn’t for Sweden, there wouldn’t be Russia today
>>221868387>let me tell you who the REAL Finns arePipe down, Miloš
>>221870630>>221870123There's only so many hours in a school day, it's a zero-sum game. Having Swedish mandatory is, de facto, eating up resources from learning useful world languages. Mind you, this isn't some Fennoswede cabbal conspiracy to keep the Pekka down, just a result of political games in the 60's + the continual need to include the Swedish's peoples party in whatever goverment happens to form.
>>221873746Swedish isn’t even that difficult and you share tonal pronunciation.+ Learning Swedish vocabulary unlocks the Germanic side of the English vocabulary, if you add French, Latin and Greek - you’ll end up assembling the whole thing.
>>221873814Or you could just learn French, German, Spanish etc. directly. There's no need for a gateway language with much fewer speakers
>>221864985>Sweden never pursued or attempted to wipe out Finnish identity or languageExcept finnish religion. It was a crime to perform non-christian religious rituals. I remember reading about some finns in 1500 in the forest doing a religious ritual and they got fined by the swedes
>>221873981Oh you do need Frisian / Dutch and Scandinavian if you’re planing to decode the Germanic side of English. >muh fewer speakersjust learn Hindi then
>>221874176swedish pagans faced the same shit at earlier dates
>>221864985>Sweden never pursued or attempted to wipe out Finnish identityThey already did that. Finnish identity was something completely different from what it is now before Swedes came and culturally genocided Finns by making the Finnish belief system and therefore almost our entire culture as well illegal.They also strictly required Swedish language in any official capacity and held contempt to any use of the Finnish language and those who speak it. This attitude remains even today in some Swedes and it's not so long ago that in Swedish schools the teachers would beat you if you spoke Finnish.
>>221869084>samiNever once have i seen finns do that on /int/ there are like less than 5000 actual sami in Finland. Sami are a subgroup of finno-ugric peoples though.>nomadic steppe peopleOver 60% of finns have haplogroup N. This means over 60% of us are from an unbroken nomadic steppe people lineage from our fathers side which actually originated in China. Also yes we actually wuz conquerers to the point where the finnish word orja (slave) originates from the word arya (aryan).>fennoswedesConsidering they are like 1/20 of our population, yeah I'd be surprised if you didn't see them on /int/.>"pure" FinnsDespite the small amount of east asian heritage (5-10%, eastern Finland has more than average) we have an extrermely high rate of blonde hair and blonde haired and blue eyes. On the other hand what a "pure" finn means might mean different things for different people, yeah?>(whatever that is)You're acting pissed off and saying you hate finns while (you) don't even understand shit about the topic you're being angry over.P.S. Educate yourself.See >>221864819
Finland was under a bunch of ice for longer than rest of Europe
>>221874964Blonde hair is overstated. Clear minority in adult population, light eyes are way more common.
>>221864602We probably would have split up eventually anyways during the birth of nation states and national romanticism. In a way we can thank Russia for never having had to go through the process of some sort of independence war between eachother
>>221864455I just know LatinX typed this
