Would you rather spend the rest of your life in New Mexico or in Old Mexico?
>>222068716NM if i really had to choose, but i'd prefer to spend it with you in my bedroom baby
>>222068716whichever has better food
Mexico, is this even a question?
>>222068762Why are you so horny
>>222068938i'm so alone
>>222068870Yes it's a question
So I won an award through my American Studies programme at uni and this summer my uni will pay for my airfare to and from the USA. So where did I go? New Mexico... and yes I have learned to stop fucking worrying and live with the enchantment of life.I got to say the women here are otherworldly. You have Hispanos which are basically spanish girls who have been living here since the 1600s. I saw some today driving in Fiats playing this light sunny sounding rock. I felt like I was in Barcelona. Oh and I saw some Spanish tourists today and they told me the Flamenco show they saw was super authentic. They said santa fe feels like a long lost cousin.Then there's the native girls. I was visiting a reservation and was sitting near an ancient cliff dwelling catching shade. So there I am sitting in a native dwelling all alone and blue wondering what to do. Along came a native girl and she did a native dance. It was like in paradise it put me in a trance. I joined her in her dancing spree, felt my spine tingle. I held her tight and close to me... man I'm glad I'm single...Then there's the free spirit/hippie girls who come from all over the world to live and find themselves in New Mexico. The art scene in New Mexico is out of this world and these girls are so open-minded and free-spirited.Pic related is a random house in Santa Fe. There's so many beautiful homes but I love the contrast of the flat adobe wall with the skies.So... when people back home ask me "Why New Mexico" I'll tell them the truth... I became enchanted.
>>222069736Average morning walk in NM... I love it here. Fuck it I might just overstay my visa lol I've met plenty of undocumented and they could help me manage. I love this state. It's like a nation. It's not USA, It's not Mexico, it's sure as hell not Texas.
>>222068716reddit state
>>222069736I'm coming to visit in October, really can't wait
>>222069824Actually no. New Mexico is super unique. The cultures here are older than even Estonian culture. That's just a fact. Now don't get it twisted, I'm not hating on Estonia, I love you and respect your vision. But New Mexico is the wild west mixed with living native cultures who are their soverign nations within the US, and then the hispanics have been here since the 1600s, and then there's some new gritty mexican illegals AND some of the most batshit and interesting white people.If you love life, you love New Mexico.
>>222069895Nice! Where are you planning on visiting?
>>222069930Don't have very long to go and I'm dragging family with me so just ABQ -> Santa Fe and the surrounding area. Out of the blue this year I became infatuated with New Mexico, Santa Fe and adobe homes. Never been anywhere in the Southwest.
>>222069809where are you from?
>>222070017If you are in ABQ go to Acoma Pueblo. It's a bit of a drive but not too far. You truly go to the middle of nowhere and visit the longest continuously inhabited city in the USA (even longer than Taos) and it's on top of a massive Plateau ABQ is rough which is why I loved it but I imagine you're not going to want to visit the roughest areas with kids like I enjoyed doing. But it's still worth it I think. I wouldn't say it's the number one place on my list for NM lol but if you're using it for flying in or out then it makes sense even with limited time. If you like Breaking Bad the neighborhood with Jessie's house is pretty and it's near downtown. Hank's house is in a ritzy neighborhood with beautiful adobe homes up in the mountains on the edge of the city.Santa Fe is beyond comfyif you want some good adobe homes in Santa Fe I suggest walking Canyon road then walking down the residential areas towards Museum of International Folk Art (which is going to be a great museum if you have kids with you but I was there solo and loved it).>>222070050I'm from Norwich
>>222068716i want to live in new mexico with my new mexican wife
>>222070339me too
>>222070267But for Acoma Pueblo (City in the Sky) visit the rez website and check ahead. You will have to go with a local guide but it's easy to set up on the spot. Just be aware of festival dates too (some are open to tourists but others mean there's no tours available). There's this huge church that the Spanish forced them to build. Most pueblos destroyed their churches after the Pueblo revolt and when the Spanish came back they had to make concessions and pueblo people were left alone. As a result most churches you see in pueblo rezes are rebuilt later (still old just not 1629 old). The one in Acoma, even though they went back to their folk ways, they decided not to raze after they kicked out the spanish. It's really really beautiful and spacious inside, one of the coolest churches I've been to just because of how unique it was. But NM has many awesome mud churches, the oldest ones in the USA. BTW that kiva oven is not for tourists they still cook in traditional ways. Pueblo people have been fiercely independent and they have all their claimed land and as a result don't have any real grievences with the US like other US tribes. That's why Navajo are so depressed but Pueblo tribes are upbeat, though guarded and secretive. Nobody knows their languages from the outside. It's a super guarded secret for I think every Pueblo nation. In Taos pueblo I only was told how to say hello but they said asking for more wouldn't work because it's sacred for just them to know.
>>222068716I like New Mexico's flag Sad that U.S. city planning forces you to own a car or to suffer under the heat
Its funny how the gringos created a flag with the spanish colors (yellow, red) in order to obscure the fact that this territory was mexican. But its not the only case, basically everything remotely mexican is re-classified as "europeized-hispanic". It follows from this that the mexicans living there claim to be "hispanic" instead of mexicans. Anything remotely mexican is erased under the hispanic label
>>222070267>>222070426amazing stuff, thanks for sharing man
>>222070339Dude, come over. It moggs England I literally never want to go home. Pic related one of the views from Acoma Pueblo. Looking out from the edge of the plateau, behind me the oldest continuously inhabited city in the USA where they still speak their native tongue and all. I suggest you look up Edward S. Curtis he took lots of photos of New Mexican tribes and much remains the same on the Pueblo lands. But NM is not just natives. The Hispano villages, especially between Taos and Santa Fe are fascinating. These are villages from Spanish land grants as old as the 1500s inhabited by descendents of New Spain settlers. They are way up in the mountains and have their own unique culture that's grown in isolation. And they have Chimayo pilgrimage site which was really interesting. Also, some of the best New Mexican food.
>>222070515New Mexicans are not really Mexican they revolted against you guys. Granted, I'm not saying they wanted to join the USA. But your analysis leaves out that Mexico was newly independent and didn't really have effective control over the northern territories.Again, not saying they wanted to be annexed by the US. But they weren't exactly Mexican patriots. The exception would be El Paso which was Mexicanized before annexation and had been a part of Nuevo mexico but then the US gave it to Texas for political reasons
>>222068716what exactly is a new mexico?
This is the architecture of Old MexicoHow innovative and new is the architecture of New Mexico?
>>222070743It's of the land and SOVL... PVRE SOVL. The Spanish tried to kill the Pueblo... and the Pueblo won and to this day their homes and buildings populate the earth.
>>222070711>New Mexicans are not really MexicanMoctezuma's granddaughter literally founded that state alongside his husband Juan de Oñate, a novohispano. How is that not mexican enough?The state names literally implies that the novohispanians wanted to recreate Mexico-Tenochtitlan in those territories
>>222070853>Juan de OñateAnd he got kicked out by the Pueblo. >Hispanos Nobody denies the Hispanos are New Spanish settlers. But you're implying they had a modern Mexican identity, which they didn't. They existed in isolated land grant communities outside of Santa Fe, which itself was a tiny "city" if you could even call it that, at the time of independence and they didn't like Mexico's centralization. They slaughtered the Mexico appointed governor in 1837.There's an idea you have that the modern Mexican identity was fixed in place and deeply felt by everybody in newly independent Mexico but it wasn't. Every country in the New world inherited land with a core where you can say a national identity was already there, but the peripheries not so much. New Mexico was not happy with Mexico's efforts to bring it under more direct control as Spain had been neglecting them allowing them to illegally trade with Americans and look after themselves.
>>222071035>And he got kicked out by the Pueblo.I mean to say the Spanish were, not him personally. Although the Spanish recalled him
>>222070515It's strange, but it seems more like a misinterpretation. The answer is both yes and no, there was no loyalty to Mexico as a country, but there was loyalty to Mexico as part of Spain. The reality is that, unlike Texas and California, New Mexico was the part of New Spain that was best culturally integrated with the rest of the country, with direct connections and ties to Mexico City via the Real Camino de Tierra Adentro, and was obligated to conduct judicial and fiscal proceedings in Mexico City from the 17th century until the mid-19th century.
>>222071100>It's strange, but it seems more like a misinterpretation.Nah man. The gringos work like that. They play the good & bad cop at the same time. They make chicanos hate the conquistadors (despite our ADN being 40-50% iberian) while at the same time they try to presente the ex territories of New Spain as europeanized as possible, ignoring that New Spain had its own culture & was more similar to modern day Mexico than to some european peninsula miles away.
>>222071258> while at the same time they try to presente the ex territories of New Spain as europeanized as possibleWhat are you talking about? The US South west doesn't try to be like Spain at all. It has a distinct culture.California, Colorado, Arizona hardly had any Spanish or Mexican presence anyway. New Mexico and Texas are not trying to be Spanish at all. You can Colorado had some hispanos which is true but those parts of Colorado never larp as spanish. The most larp as spanish you could get is in California, but under Mexico California wasn't even urbanized with Spanish or Mexican settlers it was 99.99% nativesNew Mexico doesn't build spanish buildings like Mexico does. They do things in pueblo revival and preserve the pueblo buildings they have. When the New Spanish came to NM they built in the adobe style which has been preserved and even mandated in many towns. What are you talking about?
>>222071258BTW El Paso, which was under Nuevomexico and had decades of Mexicans moving there post-independence maintains a very distinct feel of "We are Mexican-Americans." They are also very very very proud of being Americans, some of the most patriotic Americans I met here but they are also proud of their Mexican heritage. They don't really claim to be Hispanos like you get in NM or Tejanos like you get in other parts of Texas.El Paso is over 80% Mexican-American and doesn't hide it or pretend it's Spanish. But it's also very distinct from New Mexico. Just crossing the state line you feel it in the food, the history, the buildings, and how people identify.Although if you've ever been to Las Cruces they are very very "Mexican" in their identity because that town was made for people in New Mexico who wanted to stay with Mexico (many from in or around El Paso) but then Mexico sold the land to the US in the Gadsden purchase. Identity is more complex than you are giving it credit for.
>>222068716What's the difference?
>>222071258Si wey pero no lo digas asi, el poder blando depende del sentido común y de que tanta información hay sobre algo. Con que sepan que tuvieron un relación profunda y recibían ordenes desde México por tres siglos es suficiente.
