>Learn about Turks>Find out that everything Turks do they learned from Greeks including kiddle fiddling and despotic orientalism>Learn about the last Sultan>mfw I realize that hardcore Turks hate Mustafa Kemal, because he prevented them from finally becoming Greeks
wtf
sultan erdogan will destroy kamalism inshAllah
>>222266957>*Builds a copy of the most famous Greek Church*
ottoman empire was unironically good tsar bad boyar
>>222266544he is regarded traitor by some locals. picture reveals a spineless and coward personality.
>>222266544you know, erdogan is pontic greek and they are the most hardcore islamists in Turkey today, Kemal realized that Greeks were the enemy the entire time
>>222267196>erdogan is pontic greek and they are the most hardcore islamists in Turkey today, Kemal realized that Greeks were the enemy the entire timeThe ruler's ethnicity in Turkiye doesn't matter much. Like ethnic origin of Iran's ayatollah (iranian turk) or Turgut Ozal who was kurd. they all serve the interests outside of their id's.
>>222266957very based, in greece we love erdogan because he is partly greek. some greeks like him more than our current prime minister
All Anatolians.
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>>222267335turkiye and ellada should link up
>>222266544My fuarkin sultan
>>222266544>Find out that everything Turks do they learned from Greeks including kiddle fiddling and despotic orientalismNo fucking shit nigga. "Turks" were nomads from Asia, what does "Turkey" have in common with Mongolia? Either culturally or genetically.They're just Anatolians that got first Hellenized for two thousand years, became an integral part of the Greek world, then very unfortunately converted for tax reasons. The Ottomans were a retarded Byzantine dynasty at the end of it all. They're our cousins.>t. 50% Anatolian, Pontic Greek
>>222270314I'm apparantly 50% mainlander, which only makes me want to kill myself each day I wake up
>>222270926>more mainland Greek ancestry than meLife is funny sometimes.
>>222267335vpn off mohammed
>>222270314Delusional faggot, aka greek.
>>222270314jihad nigga you forgot jihad. you also sold out anatolia to the turks so the frogs wouldnt conquer it and grape you again like in 1203>>222270926wazup my turkic brother
>>222271065>Delusional faggotwhy are you turks so butthurt when someone points out your racial identity is all just fabricated? imagine actually WISHING to be a mongoloid geg
>>222271370>identity is all just fabricatedCuz it's not? And even if it was it's none of your business that what we choose to identify as.
god I wish Greece, Turkey, and Iran were united as one brotherly empire
>>222271467even if this is accurate doesnt it literally just show that no one in modern day turkey has more than 1/3 pure turkic genes on average? isnt that a bad thing for you?
>>222271467>not a single region over 50%Bolivia is more Spanish
>>222271680>no one in modern day turkey has more than 1/3 pure turkic genes on average? That map is about medieval Turkish genes. So for Central Asia ancestry it's even less
>>222271680Why are you so obsessed with purity? 1/3 is even more than enough to identify as people who lived THOUSAND (1000) years ago.
is using eunuchs something turks picked up from greek monkes?
>>222271750no it's not
>>222271680>modern day turkey has more than 1/3 pure turkic genesWhat % Aryan do you think you are? What % gives you legitimacy to proclaim their heritage?France is Gaullish/Latin/Germanic for example but nobody questions their claims to any of these things>inb4 but you call yourself turks while being other things tooEngland is Anglo/Celtic with equal right to either of their ancestors but call themselves "Angle-ish", French people aren't exactly the "Frank" tribe anymore either.
>>222272626>France is Gaullish/Latin/Germanicmeaning they are 100% european, no real frenchman needs to argue about that. the point is most of you guys do not have a significant enough amount of asiatic genes to call yourself "asian" yet 99% of you spend your life larping as just that and nothing else.
>>222272850>meaning they are 100% european1. Nowhere in this exchange was this ever brought up you bumbling retard2. France is African
>>222272924my point is that them being fully european means they can rightfully claim to be roman/gallic/germanic without it looking ridiculous. all these people are connected by race, language and culture. meanwhile this is what the average "pan turkic" summit looks like. try to tell me your people dont look out of place there.
>>222273145>being fully european means they can rightfully claim to be roman/gallic/germanicNo it doesn't faggot lmao you just desperately want it to
>>222266544vghhh tvrkhellas...
>>222267196Erdog's a Kartvel with family from Adjara IIRC. Kemal, meanwhile, was literally from Greece. His house is a museum in Thessaloniki.
>>222273221im not desperate at all i know what i am and i dont need 10 dna tests just to cope. face the fact that your entire identity revolves around larping as the guys who conquered and assimilated your ancestors hundreds of years ago. even more embarassing considering those conquered people still make up the majority of your modern day ancestry.
>>222271467>medieval TurkicThat's not a good proxy for Central Asian ancestry.>>222271942>is using eunuchs something turks picked up from greek monkes?Yes. The Constantinople court was heavily ran by eunuchs since the time of Constantine. Look up Narses.
>>222273328>>222273363>>222273396Obnoxius retards stop talking about us and our country. You don't know shit about us every thing you say sounds like a ragebait.I don't have enough time to educate you all.
>>222267113kek
>>222271467WE
>>222273145And what proportion of germans, especially in the east, are truly germans, germanics? Most of them are just assimilated slavs, not to mention the fact that the prussian kings deliberately settled protestant slavs (for example, the moravian brethren) on their lands.
>>222266544>if you kill your enemies they winThis gentleman was clearly Canadian
>>222274071>Most of them are just assimilated slavsnot exactly but they definitly have a higher slavic admixture. same goes for western slavs and their various central/western european admixtures. but again my point stands, a mixed european may fit in wherever and however he likes, at the end of the day we are all brothers.
>>222266544>despotic orientalismRentfree.
>>222267335come back here pathetic nafri
>>222267335In Greece we love Eyepios Erdoganopoulos because he's ruining Turkey.May God give him years of health.
>>222267039we worship same god so no problem>>222267335he is georgian churka, we have real pontic greek "Ekrem Imamoglu" fully Trapezoúntan
>>222274764OIDF please. You had never had a single parliament in your history of 2500 years. Meanwhile Ancient Greeks (still Anglo) invented democracy. Then Alexander adopted Persian culture.
>>222276055My God died on the cross and risen on the third day. Yours gave a cheatpass to a pedophile. Unless you were talking about Tengri.
>>222271467why the fuck does the south west of the country have so many mongoloids
>>222276134>You had never had a single retarded nonsensical invention to restrict the powers of monarch and establish aristocracy in your history of +3000 years.*Ftfy.>Meanwhile Ancient Gayreeks (still Anglokikes) invented only the votes of the richest and most powerful men in Athens count just to dab on Spartans aka plutocracy.*Ftfy.>Then the Macedonian based retard Alexander adopted Persian culture because he knew just how fucking retarded Gayreeks were.*Ftfy. The entirety of gayreek clutua is being ass mad at their betters.
>>222276643based monarchochad. don't listen to liberal drivel. parliaments are there to empower feminine men
>>222271615we have nothing to do in culture or genetics with these sandniggers
>>222276675I'm a classical liberal, in the sense that I prefer a combination of French Revolution rule and Bonapartist government. In the sense that the guys at the top should run the country with the fear of mob rage and guillotine in their mind, if they ever fuck up big time and go against national interests for their own benefits, they'll get the chop.But since that's too idealistic, I'll stick with a monarchy where responsibility lies with the guy at the top; instead of cuckmocracy aka zero responsibility and accountability where you don't even know which faggot is embezzling national budget.>>222277147Correct, you're the bottom barrel of inferiority, subhuman freak.
>>222277225Classical liberalism is wrong because hierarchy is natural and necessary. Disempowering nobles and clergy is the death of masculinity.
>>222277287If they don't pay their taxes, they get the guillotine. Keep your gay divinity and religion to yourself and contribute to the society. Simple as.
>>222277342Taxes are for the lowest classes. Nobility and clergy are above taxation. Their contribution to society is already guidance and command.
>>222277362>Taxes are for the lowest classes. Wrong.>Nobility and clergy are above taxation. They're above nothing. If they want to exist, they will pay it.>Their contribution to society is already guidance and command.Guidance is not needed by a bunch of kid diddling faggots; internet exists and the state should oversee the education.Command is earned, not given. Military schools exist for a reason.
>>222266544isn't this just politics that fag got deposed by the military and newly born turkey was a military dictatorship
>>222277444>the state should oversee the education.That is an error. The state has no say in determining the value of the subjects of the king. That only the clergy has.>Internet existsSplendid. The internet is already a driving force fo the recreation of the clerical class in the west. It is also founded on clerical principles: You get guidance for free, and the clerus receives donations from the commonality if their guidance is good.>Command is earned, not given. Military schools exist for a reason.Military schools re-deligate what is due to the king. Nobilitation is the principal power of the king. He determines who has the right to command, and he can revoke it at will. Militaries also do not create a true nobility. They create corrupt constructs that can use their military power to create an economic advantage, like we see in the Egyptian Military. In truth however, nobles are not permitted to partake in economy. They are only allowed to hold land, serve, and enforce the laws of the clergy.
>>222277589>The state has no say in determining the value of the subjects of the king. That only the clergy has.Religion has no place in education. It only restricts critical thinking and breeds blind obedience. The state is responsible for a secular education.>The internet is already a driving force fo the recreation of the clerical class in the west. Trad west is a meme and religious keyboard warriors are a well-known joke.>It is also founded on clerical principles: You get guidance for free, and the clerus receives donations from the commonality if their guidance is good.If your god is great and all, then you shouldn't wish for a single penny in this life. Your god will provide it for you here and afterlife. Oh wait.>Military schools re-deligate what is due to the king.The king has a right to oversee what's going on with his armies and navies but has no inherited authority to just dictate the grand strategy nilly willy.>Nobilitation is the principal power of the king. He determines who has the right to command, and he can revoke it at will.He can revoke it when a general fucks up and proves a retard. What you're describing is too idealistic and only creates the inevitable corrupt system of sucking up to get the position then do fuck all with it.>Militaries also do not create a true nobility.Good. Nobility is the most useless and worthless class in existence.>They create corrupt constructs that can use their military power to create an economic advantage, like we see in the Egyptian Military.It's the responsibility of the king and his ministers to tard wrangle such thing.>In truth however, nobles are not permitted to partake in economy. They are only allowed to hold land, serve, and enforce the laws of the clergy.Nobles are not allowed anything. They want their shit? Then they will pay and work for it. They want privileges? Then they will render absolute authority and centralization to the king. The only law is the state's.
>>222277821>Religion has no place in education...There should be no coercion in education. One look at Germany's school system is enough to disprove your notion. If people want to go to a private school, they can. If they want to go to a religious school, they can. Public schools should not exist, and there should be no taxes flowing into schools. The state is not responsible for anything in this matter, it is just a waste of resources.>Trad west is a meme...I'm not referring to "religious" people on the internet, but rather to people who would be accurately assigned to clerical functions.>has no inherited authority to just dictate the grand strategy nilly willy.Maybe in the case of insanity, the king's authority can be limited. >What you're describing is too idealistic and only creates the inevitable corrupt system of sucking up to get the position then do fuck all with it.Are you sure? Germany had the greatest military in the world when it was run by Prussian nobility. No single nation could meet it equally (see the unification wars, or the german-french war)>Nobility is the most useless and worthless class in existence.If you listen to the lies of liberals. In reality, nobility is just as necessary to the function of a nation as any other class. Anti-nobilitism is just grounded on the intellectual and ontological stuntedness of liberal ideology.>They want their shit? Then they will pay and work for it. And then you get a class of corrupt merchants that will cannibalise your nation to make a profit. No thanks. Abolishing nobility is the death of the nation.
>>222278028>One look at Germany's school system is enough to disprove your notion.And one look at Iran's school system proves you wrong.>Public schools should not exist, and there should be no taxes flowing into schools. The state is not responsible for anything in this matter, it is just a waste of resources.Education and literacy is a birthright and basic necessity for human life. If the state is going to tax the people, then it should provide them with an unbiased education in return.>I'm not referring to "religious" people on the internet, but rather to people who would be accurately assigned to clerical functions.Elaborate.>Maybe in the case of insanity, the king's authority can be limited.Even Napoleon with all of his genius fucked up, because he replaced advisors with yesmen. You need advisors who have a backbone to rein in some of your more ambitious ideas, regardless of wether you're a complete retard as a king or a really good one.>Are you sure? Germany had the greatest military in the world when it was run by Prussian nobility. No single nation could meet it equally (see the unification wars, or the german-french war)Please. Prussian Army is a meme. It got its ass handed to it by Austrians and Russians in Seven Years' War once they got their shit together. They were obliterated in Napoleonic Wars and only succeeded with human wave attacks alongside Russians and Austrians. It lucked out twice in late 19th century against Austria and France when these two were under pressure internally to cut military funding, against the warnings of their generals.>If you listen to the lies of liberals. In reality, nobility is just as necessary to the function of a nation as any other class.Elaborate. Besides giving patronage to artisits and scientists, and setting fashion trends.>And then you get a class of corrupt merchants that will cannibalise your nation to make a profit.That's what happens when the state doesn't interfere in economy to rein such actors.
lmao at the seething Persoid, no wonder the based Jewish democracy dabbed on you
>222278748_(You)_#We know hungry is a kike infested shithole, you don't have to admit it, magarigger.
>>222278485>And one look at Iran's school system proves you wrong.It doesn't. There isn't a single good school system in the world, and there never will be.>Education and literacy is a birthright and basic necessity for human life.People will become educated and literate regardless of the continued existence of schools.>then it should provide them with an unbiased education in return.Great, then leave the state out of it and let the people choose who they want to be educated by.>Even Napoleon with all of his genius fucked upNapoleon wasn't a genius. His state failed and was dismantled. He was only succeeding due to Germany's lack of cohesion due to it being the inherently free society.>It got its ass handed to it by Austrians and Russians in Seven Years' War once they got their shit together. Austria is a part of Germany and Russia at that time was ruled by German nobility, so you are only proving my point.>They were obliterated in Napoleonic Wars Wow a small statelet being obliterated by one of the great powers of the European stage?And a few decades the French were obliterated by Prussia anyway>only succeeded with human wave attacks That's how the French succeeded. They conscripted way more men than Germans did, and just won through willingness of sacrificing an entire generation causing Germans to overshadow them the following century. It's just all liberal cope.>That's what happens when the state doesn't interfere in economy to rein such actors.Well, keep your hopes high, because such a thing will never occur in reality and never did in history
>>222278973>There isn't a single good school system in the world, and there never will be.Now, this is just pure nihilism and pessimism.>People will become educated and literate regardless of the continued existence of schools.Education can easily turn into indoctrination if the wrong actors are in charge of it.>Leave the state out of it and let the people choose who they want to be educated by.And if people choose to be receive education from public schools by the state?>Napoleon wasn't a genius. His state failed and was dismantled. He was only succeeding due to Germany's lack of cohesion due to it being the inherently free society.This is just pure German ultranationalist nonsense. I suppose everyone ripped off of the innovations of him and his advisors for giggles.>Austria is a part of Germany and Russia at that time was ruled by German nobility, so you are only proving my point.Moving goalposts. You specifically mentioned Prussia and I provided its shortcomings. Also, Russian royalty was German, its nobility was still mostly Russian.>a small statelet being obliterated by one of the great powers of the European stage?Prussia is a small state let in 1806 now? It was the most feared army at the time due to its reputation. Are you seriously now going back on your own points?>And a few decades the French were obliterated by Prussia anywayFor similar reasons: complacency.>That's how the French succeeded. They conscripted way more men than Germans did, and just won through willingness of sacrificing an entire generation causing Germans to overshadow them the following century.Moving goalposts, again. In 1813 and 1814 the roles were reversed, the allies had more manpower and used it without problem.>It's just all liberal cope.Ignoring history and its context doesn't make it cope.>Such a thing will never occur in reality and never did in historyBecause of greed and the exact same nobles that you're defending benefiting from such corruption.
>>222279291>Now, this is just pure nihilism and pessimism.It is realism.>Education can easily turn into indoctrination if the wrong actors are in charge of it.Yes, and that is exactly why the state must never coerce parents into sending their children to school.>And if people choose to be receive education from public schools by the state?If they don't exist, they can not choose it.>I suppose everyone ripped off of the innovations of him and his advisors for gigglesThey're a detriment and causing our civilisation to fall apart at this very moment. >You specifically mentioned Prussia and I provided its shortcomings. Prussia still punched above its weight in all cases. But it's not just about Prussia. German military prowess in general is superior.>For similar reasons: complacency.No, it's just that the revolution failed to create anything of value or improve french society. The centuries of work of the likes of Louis XIV were undone in a few generations, and France became a second rate power on the world stage.>In 1813 and 1814 the roles were reversed, the allies had more manpower and used it without problem.Yeah, because they switched to mass conscription laws that would lead to the disasters of WW1/2>Ignoring history and its context doesn't make it cope.Liberals are ignorant of reality.>Because of greed and the exact same nobles that you're defending benefiting from such corruption.Bro. Are you retarded? It's not nobles that are corrupting and cannibalising the nation. This process only began due to the revolution.
>>222279507>It is realism.Realism means you'll give it a try even if you know about the possible setbacks.>Yes, and that is exactly why the state must never coerce parents into sending their children to school.I never said anything about coercion. What's this mentality that a public school is coercion?>If they don't exist, they can not choose it.What the fuck is this kind of mentality? Just pretending something doesn't exist and it'll magically go away? Childish.>They're a detriment and causing our civilisation to fall apart at this very moment.Very well then. You're more than welcome to renounce many of your birthrights and go work the fields or mines for the people in charge of Germany and you have zero say in how they'll pay and treta you.>Prussia still punched above its weight in all cases. But it's not just about Prussia. German military prowess in general is superior.Another ultranationalistic myth. Are we going to deliberately pretend things such as "the miracle of House of Hohenzollern" never happened. Punched above weight is a polite term for sheer luck.>No, it's just that the revolution failed to create anything of value or improve french society. The centuries of work of the likes of Louis XIV were undone in a few generations, and France became a second rate power on the world stage.Again, you're completely conflicting events that are not related to one another with "nuh uh" mentality. If you're truly correct, then Germany would do well to renounce and discard its civil code which is heavily inspired by the French system.>Yeah, because they switched to mass conscription laws that would lead to the disasters of WW1/2You're pretending as if Germany wasn't a major actor in those wars.>Liberals are ignorant of reality.And the reality is?>It's not nobles that are corrupting and cannibalising the nation. This process only began due to the revolution.Not providing your wealth regularly to the state exactly causes such troubles.
>>222279957>Are we going to deliberately pretend things such as "the miracle of House of Hohenzollern" never happenedYes. It wasn't a miracle. It's just that Elisabeth's woman moment ended the moment a new Tsar took over Russia. There was no interest Russia had in attacking Prussia.>What's this mentality that a public school is coercion?You are forcing people to pay taxes for a corrupt institution. And forcing people to attend such an unnecessary garbage of an institution.>Realism means you'll give it a try even if you know about the possible setbacks.With schools, there are mostly setbacks and very few miniscule benefits that could be accomplish more easily with iphones at home than an entire class of leeches.>You're more than welcome to renounce many of your birthrights and go work the fields or mines for the people in charge of Germany and you have zero say in how they'll pay and treta you.Well, yes, that is my eventual goal.>If you're truly correct, then Germany would do well to renounce and discard its civil code which is heavily inspired by the French system.And it absolutely would.>You're pretending as if Germany wasn't a major actor in those wars.Well, WW1 and 2 happened inspite of Germany's interests. They were mostly forced by France and Britain.>And the reality is?Reality is that hierarchy is good, and tabula rasa is a complete delusion, and basically everything else liberals believe in is a lie. >Not providing your wealth regularly to the state exactly causes such troubles.No it doesn't. That's just your lack of history understanding.
>>222280322>Yes. It wasn't a miracle. It's just that Elisabeth's woman moment ended the moment a new Tsar took over Russia. There was no interest Russia had in attacking Prussia.That's not how it happened in recorded history. I don't know why you're so vehemently denying this.>You are forcing people to pay taxes for a corrupt institution. And forcing people to attend such an unnecessary garbage of an institution.How did you come to the conclusion that this institution is corrupt? How did you immediately decided it's unnecessary and garbage? Oh, because you said so? This is not doing you any favors.>With schools, there are mostly setbacks and very few miniscule benefits that could be accomplish more easily with iphones at home than an entire class of leeches.You're implying that it's going to be the current system of schooling of sitting kids in a class and reading nonsense to them.>Well, yes, that is my eventual goal.Okay, this is just bait. My bad for actually engaging in this farce seriously.>And it absolutely would.Well, it has been using it since early 1800s with only minor adjustment in 1900s and afterwards. Fingers crossed.>Well, WW1 and 2 happened inspite of Germany's interests. They were mostly forced by France and Britain.Interests conflict with each others, m8, that's how wars are made.>Reality is that hierarchy is good, and tabula rasa is a complete delusion, and basically everything else liberals believe in is a lie.Just because you doesn't like one end of an extreme it doesn't mean the other extreme is correct.>No it doesn't. That's just your lack of history understanding.Yes it does, but ad hominem won't do you any favor; and I can see that you're deliberately posting like a caricature of a German individual: a mindless servant without any spine obeying every whim of the authority that is putting its boot on your neck.Have a good night, mister.
>>222266544>hardcore Turks hate Mustafa Kemalonly people who hate atatürk here are political islamists jihadists kurds and far leftists
>>222280785classical liberals/libertarians and anarchists too
>>222280586Look, you adore the French revolution, you are like 200 years behind the rest of humanity. How can I explain to you why the school system is a civilisational detriment? >a mindless servant without any spine obeying every whim of the authority that is putting its boot on your neck.Well, I'm the opposite of that. Authoritarianism and Aristocracy are mutually exclusive. The people putting a boot on your throat are not the nobles, they are the burghers that usurped legitimate authority and are the politicians of today. We have never been as unfree as a people as in the republic.
>>222280785as a far right i hate kamal too
>>222271005>hang yourself>you will regret itKierkegaard was retarded
>>222280968>Authoritarianism and Aristocracyare you inventing things on the fly?
>>222281167There was no tyranny before the French invented it
>>222281199basically any monarch is a tyrant. did french invented monarchy? they are too young for that.
