>What language(s) are you learning?>Ask questions about your target language!>Help people who want to learn a new language!>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!>Do not reply to the Jordanian!>Make frens!**Comprehensible Input Wiki**https://comprehensibleinputwiki.org/wiki/Main_PageRead the wiki:https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_WikiUseful links:>Free language‐learning book archive:https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw>Books on linguistics and language courses:https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by familyhttps://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/>/lang/ inpoot torrentshttps://rentry.org/inpoot>Refold Anki deckshttps://rentry.org/refold>Non-English piracy siteshttps://fmhy.net/non-englishPrevious Thread: >>222113449
the german case system is basically "babby's first case system"
S’ ann an-dé a sgìth bha mi. S’ ann an-diugh a sgìth tha mi. S’ ann a-màireach a sgìth bidh mi.
Anki is love. Anki is life.
I've seen a lot of hate towards the German language recently and I have a contrarian urge to go back to this language. I could pronounce correctly the names in Warhammer Fantasy. >>222268939I love Anki. But newcomers might be put off by so-so free decks with core 1000 words and the like for many, even popular, languages
>>222269545I spent some time studying German, and I liked it. I stopped though because they do that in GERMANY.
>>222267635They were cooking with the cases when they made that L-shaped tetris block of Der.
where do i start with learning indonesian?
>>222268939did you do your cards today?
>>222268939Anki RUINED my life and sabotaged me
>>222272422>>>/vt/
Did you guys know that this year in december we're going to have scientific evidence that explicit classroom instruction doesn't work?
>>222269545I'm increasingly hyped about German. My French always seems way ahead, for obvious reasons, so it makes me consider pausing French and just focusing on German to try to catch up.
>>222275033Doesn't work for what? It definitely works for the beginner levels.
>>222269851>>222275935You've just got me a little hyped up. But I'm currently learning a simpler Germanic language, so I'm sure it'll be easier for me to tackle German if I have to or want to. The nice thing about German is that connected speech is simple or basically there is no such thing as in other languages
>>222276700I'm also interested in other germanic languages. I used to think German was the best starting point since it's more complicated, but that probably doesn't actually matter. Having more resources for input though is definitely a massive benefit, I think that matters almost as much as having a motivation.
first for come back Sucuri and pls reply .ro bro
>>222277322>more resources for input though is definitely a massive benefit, I think that matters almost as much as having a motivation.Having less resources fixed me and my language-hopping
>>222276700It kind of disturbs me how much time and energy Europeans (as in EU) spend on language learning, and the opportunity cost of that. There also seems to be substantial loss in precision when English is employed as the shared medium since everyone is ESL. Like I wonder how often kids with aptitude get filtered from professional success because they bombed their French class so they end up trapped in Lisbon and get less opportunities. I understand why it is this way though. It’s what happens when you try to operate a single bloc with so many nations and don’t want to embrace a koine that might wipe the various cultures away. Learn Latin.
>>222275033That's cool, but I doubt it's going to change anything.
>>222279790For many, learning an additional language is like learning an extra, globally slightly less important, but powerful locally (like being able to talking with 60 billion people locally) English. That's why it's usually just French, German, sometimes Spanish in schools after English: big, important in Europe economies. Employers are always more likely to hire people who speak the local language, even if the workplace is predominantly English-speaking. This is especially true in retail and corporate settings or specific industries like animation or aeronautical engineering. Individual countries also differ from one another much more than the states do within the US. Many of these languages are also their own versions of Koine. In many countries, English is widely spoken, but using a native language in some place still conveys a different vibe, a cultural code, and a set of behaviors and concepts that you can’t capture with some artificially created or chosen universal language, unless you’re some ancient trader ferrying goods by boat from one island to another.
Crazy how people will just not care at all if you're not learning a top5 language. Not even my own mother cares.
>>222274649mood
>>222282549Yeah I’m not saying that European polyglottery isn’t admirable, just that as a matter of Euros trying to rival the US or China, both massive monolingual blocs, it seems to be a disadvantage. But I guess English largely fills the gap for a lot of basic deal-making and work when all else fails, just like it does in East Asia lol. Still it’s kind of sad Latin sputtered out so close in time to the rise of mass education and subsequently the internet since if Europe and America still had a large body of (relatively proficient at least) latin readers (especially in a time where the state can afford mass education) it’s kind of interesting to imagine what that would look like.
Have a nighttime pre-sleep bump.
>>222279790>There also seems to be substantial loss in precision when English is employed as the shared medium since everyone is ESI think you're really overestimating this. In industries where it matters, people have a high level of English. Think about aviation, for exmaple. Good English is mission-critical, and they force people to use specific terminology so that miscommunications are minimized. Also I think you're overestimating how many Europeans care about language learning. The only difference I think is that normies in Europe still view learning a language as useful while it seems like normies in NA mostly think it's useless/waste of time. But normies in Europe still typically won't bother with learning another language beyond English.
>>222290809Can you not post such scary things in this thread?
>>222267635Chal/lang/e: HMS Pinafore Edition.Easy:I am the Captain of the Pinafore.And a right good captain, too!I am the monarch of the sea,The ruler of the Queen's Navee,Whose praise Great Britain loudly chants.A British tar is a soaring soul,As free as a mountain bird,His energetic fist should be ready to resistA dictatorial word.Medium:For I'll teach you all, ere long,To refrain from language strong,For I haven't any sympathy for ill-bred taunts!Fair moon, to thee I sing,Bright regent of the heavens,Say, why is everythingEither at sixes or at sevens?Say, why is everythingEither at sixes or at sevens?Never mind the why and wherefore,Love can level ranks, and therefore,Though his lordship's station's mighty,Though stupendous be his brain,Though her tastes are mean and flightyAnd her fortune poor and plainHard:Things are seldom what they seem,Skim milk masquerades as cream;Highlows pass as patent leathers;Jackdaws strut in peacock's feathers.Very true,So they do.Black sheep dwell in every fold;All that glitters is not gold;Storks turn out to be but logs;Bulls are but inflated frogs.So they be,Frequentlee.Drops the wind and stops the mill;Turbot is ambitious brill;Gild the farthing if you will,Yet it is a farthing still.I am poor in the essence of happiness, lady --— rich only in never-ending unrest. In me there meet a combination of antithetical elements which are at eternal war with one another. Driven hither by objective influences — thither by subjective emotions — wafted one moment into blazing day, by mocking hope — plunged the next into the Cimmerian darkness of tangible despair, I am but a living ganglion of irreconcilable antagonisms. I hope I make myself clear, lady?Bonus:I hold that on the seasThe expression, "If you please",A particularly gentlemanly tone implants.And so do his sisters, and his cousins, and his aunts!
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Does anyone know of a good way of studying minimal pairs for Chinese tones? I've heard people recommend kotu.io for Japanese pitch accent but for Mandarin there only seems to be a bunch of crusty Anki decks with ear-splitting audio (and a paid Refold one, but I'm morally opposed to giving them money). Are AI voices good enough that I could just make my own?
>>222297808By the way, I'm pretty sure studying minimal pairs with Anki there will be a big risk of overfitting / pattern matching; what you really want is something that grades you based on a specific sound, but gives you a different audio file each time. I think you can do this with JavaScript in Anki, so as long as there are a few high quality AI voices you can fix this issue by mixing them up.
>>222137204Which forums/interest, if I may ask?>>222129452>1984 rules>forums vs redditMm. Boy, do I have news for thee.
Has anyone used the Merry Mandarin app before?
>>222297808wdym there's loads. just search chinese tone trainer
This isn't to discuss the politics at hand, but to discuss the ESL issue once again.What makes them so obnoxious at all times? A person who spoke english first would never talk like this, they would not dream of it. I haven't posted anything about speaking different languages to him (I speak 3), just let him keep talking like an ESL retard, but what is wrong with them?It's like as soon as they learn the global default language they think they've got some special power. Is it just germans that are like this? I've never heard anything like this from another Evropean.
they've determined korean has been re-acquiring tonal/pitch accent qualities with ㅃ/ㅊ/ㅉ/etc being pronounced with a distinct steady higher tone rather than being all about aspiration. which is so blatantly retardedly obvious when you know about it but isn't taught in textbooks at all or in any other learning materials at all
>>222275033As in we don’t already have academic papers on that subject?
>>222285400>Euros trying to rival the US or ChinaDo they really? It really depends on the country. Many are content with the role of junior partner to the US, others would prefer to be a protected vassal, and still others are much more hostile toward USA. Similarly, attitudes toward China vary from country to country. The EU is more of a workers union but for nations, than a single political bloc. All that matters is protecting their own countries' interests and businesses, the rest can go to hell
I tried to continue watching comprehensible input in my TL on youtube but either my amplifier or one of my speakers is about to die. sounds awful. too bad I can't afford to replace them either.
It's kind of funny how people used to just make up features in languages to make them sound more like latin.
it's over
>>222311131Sad that he has to give up all his hobbies because he went completely blind.
>>222302199>I can read the newspaper in your languageOkay but does he? Also any monolingual can just automatically translate webpages now anyways so the actual functional skill isn’t the flex it would’ve been 20 years ago.The answer is that because you have the gall to post with a American flag on an American website, he is just applying stereotypes and sperging out, which is just being on a forum. But yes it is true that ESLs have a really bizarre and very naked superiority complex that at times manifests itself IRL even in professional spaces. It’s like the default response to say “I speak X languages” to any feeling of being inferior for their broken English.
>>222311336jesus, i didn't know it was that bad...
>>222311336Good.
Any actually good fun things to listen to in spanish? Only asking for natives here or people who do it NOT to learn but for fun, because I have all this english stuff for fun but inevitably get bored of the spanish stuff.Looking for pure audio mostly, I have enough videos to watch forever. The spanish podcasts I've heard are dogshit doodoo caca.
>>222269545The free core decks are great, I did the German 5000 and French 5000 word ones and they literally changed the game for me. I'm currently doing a Russian deck that has audio pronunciation, example phrase, conjugations, and stress indicated and it's fucking top tier
my favourite Iranian youtuber finally returned after months... it sounds very hard there, I'm cryinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzSCV9yswxc
>>222311516How can I find that Russian deck
>>222267635I fucking hate languages and learning them. I want to forget my own language. Grrhurrhrurughrurhugurhurhurhuhrhur
There's too many people learning english. It should be illegal to learn another language if there are already more non-native than native speakers.
>>222311463I listen to spanish radio channels when driving. kinda hard to understand what they are saying sometimes though.
>>222311516Ok, I admit, German has great free decks.And ofc Japanese. But finding good free Spanish or Italian decks was a bigger problem when I was messing around with languages. And those are very popular languages to learn
Which languages should a super spy know?
>>222313829>Grrhurrhrurughrurhugurhurhurhuhrhurwhat Aboriginal language is this?
>>222316017english, russian and chinese for the employment opportunities, then the language of the country you're operating in.
>>222317723>russianthey cant even take Stinky in Ukraine I dont think they are relevant anymore
>>222317744alright sure, what's the third language they should know then though? knowing only two is not super spy territory and if your third one is shit (like hindi) it ruins the other two choices you made.
>>222318228I was thinking:>English (American)>Arabic standard (B2) with some dialect>a bit for Farsi>French/German C1-2Maybe Spanish too
Can anyone speak to the quality of language learning/polygot spells on Etsy or suggest a recommended seller? After a bunch of them cursed Charlie Kirk pre-death I figured it might be worth a shot.
if you had until Friday evening to learn and master as much mandarin (not a high level, hsk1) as you could, what resources would you focus the most on?
Any graded readers for Russian? Share some pdfs or torrent pls.
>>222320586They work great, buy as many as you can, especially the more expensive ones. That's how I learned.
is there a way to configure this? it almost seems to me like a bug or something with Language Reactor pro.they have this great feature where you can automine, and export, the original audio from Netflix to make flash cards. there is only one problem though -- if you select the original netflix subtitle, it exports a fucking AI voice, but if you select the AI-generated Netflix subtitle, it exports the ORIGINAL voice from the program, which is what I actually want.>>222216901>60 new cards is foolish, but you probably already know this if you use Anki that much. What languages?portuguese and croatian. portuguese cards are mostly easy, the croatian not so much.
>>222321669You will listen to the AI voice.You will read the AI text.You will watch the AI slop.You will train the AI and increase shareholder value.
>>222322068it hallucinated the -um ending for malum, fragum and lycopersicum and just went to town on coconut. can't wait for ai to be given nukes
>>222321510Olly Richards' 101 Conversations and Short stories for beginners is decent starting material.https://annas-archive.gl/search?q=olly+richards+russianSome other beginner stuffhttps://annas-archive.gl/md5/fa8479a51b559fcacf950c742d23bd50https://annas-archive.gl/md5/13eb3d180fad94d5934abc0ac3e016a9https://annas-archive.gl/md5/df342f4e34320dc66fd47eb02c3f0d68
>>222324909Zdravo brate
After watching 128 videos of my master your Excellency Xiaomanyc and Dear Lord (Requiescat in pace) laoshu50500, i decided to give it a try by my own. Lets break the barrier and see what the fork will happen in REAL life, not a videoTarget spotted, Ocelot.A small kid with her dad.It is…time…to be…in the spotlight babies!I walk towards them. Chinese cute girl stares me with the usual Chinese Deadpan face.i ask the small girl 哈喽,那你知道怎么上去吗(in case you are illisible and can only speak McDonalds Trump language, it means « hi, how can I go upstairs? »)The girl stops.She is completely frozenhas she just witnessed a murder behind me? (No, i Promise, i didnt murder chinese with wrong tones).She makes a faceAt this point, I assume she will smile, right?No.She slowly turns her head to her father and asks:爸爸为什么百人说普通户哇And then starts crying copiously, traumatized by what she has just witnessed.Meanwhile, inside my head:“OMG. OMG. WTF should I do? His Excellency Xiaomanyc never taught me how to calm down a baby during Mandarin field operations.”I just leave before anything happensNext day, i did NOT declare defeatI went to the park and saw some real’y cute Chinese girls. Then, with a PERFECT accent, I say:你们是大陆的吗Because obviously, if she isn’t from the mainland, I’m not interested.They just say:“Yeah.”And that’s it.No tea.No free food.No shocked “OMG your Chinese is so good!”No invitation to dinner.Nothing.Why did His Excellency Lord shu50500 never tôd me Chinese people’s social skills are below -2,671,623?Where are all the hot babies they promised me?I shouldve learned Pashto
Only the strongest can resist the urge to learn another language after they have already committed to one
>>222311336You can have more dedication and passion for actually doing useful shit with your life and be hit with something like this while some useless piece of shit who smokes all day gets supreme eyesight, and hearing until they're 100 years old. Not like they're making anything out of their life, but the one who actually does stuff is the one who gets fucked over instead. It isn't fair
>>222327294I have the opposite problem, I love French and Italian but I'm so ridiculously focused on Japanese that I just can't make any time for them. I've recently gotten to the level where classical litterature is doable with some effort and it seems like such a waste not to push on.
>hours of daily input in so called content desert TLcommemorative victory bump
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I'm starting to doubt if it's worth investing time in small, quirky languages. It's the language of a wealthy country, and I'd like to visit that country at least once in my life. It's even somewhat useful in Poland, albeit in a niche way, and if everything goes to hell, I could escape there and start my life over. But I don't have any real plans to move there. I could learn a more versatile language or something I’m more likely to use in Poland, whether for work or just for reading newspapers, news articles, serious books, or browsing the internet.Kind of blackpilling night bump>>222330022I've noticed that people learning Asian languages, or any difficult, non-European languages, are like that. Either they slack off and pretend to be doing anything, or they get completely absorbed in their studies and the grind. Do you use a specific method?>>222327393And things are better now than they used to be. Imagine if thousands, even millions, of people with talent in certain fields were born but never had the chance to realize their potential because they didn’t even have the opportunity to learn about those fields, or simply because those fields hadn’t been invented yet
You know what’d be cool?If there was a metric to rate books on how good they are for language learning with AI. For instance, a book gets more points for diverse vocabularies, utilisation of more declensions, conjugations, and other grammatical features as opposed to less, having multiple registers, and generally uses words in as many of their different contexts as possible.
