in my country retards wish for nuclear power to returnare people parroting stupid shit in your country as well?
>>222331728name 1 thing wrong with nuclear power>b-but muh nuclear wastesend it into space>b-but muh chernobylit was a series of retarded decisions that modern software can completely prevent
>>222331841security risk even more with the recent focus on droneswhy build nuclear if you can built renewables?
>>222331728Why do you think nuclear power exists at all, then?
>>222331728My country doesn't need nuclear
>>222331841I have no problem with nuclear power itself I believe the risk of major accidents is negligible and waste can be handled safely. The sticking point for me however is solar and wind are now cheaper, also nuclear power stations centralize our energy system and make it more vulnerable than wind/solar in the event of a war. Nuclear is fine in principle, but it's now obsolete tech. Maybe we should keep some power stations in a mothballed status for emergencies but that's it.
>>222331946because back then it was considered a very good idea and countries wanted nukes
>>222331894>security risk even more with the recent focus on dronesYou can say that about basically any economic structure of any sort that isn't in a very deep underground bunker. It's like saying in 1930, factories shouldn't exist in a country becasue they now can be bombed by airplanes.
>>222331894Well for starters nuclear is actually reliable and can be fed safely and at all times into the grid, unlike Solar and Wind, which both experience massive swings between peaks and troughs making them unreliable.
>>222331894Let me guess, you think they explode because you saw it happening in movies.
>>222332005Many countries with nuclear powerplants don't have nukes and it would still be very difficult for them anyway. Supposedly some of the plutonium waste can be used for that but they are not efficient in producing the type used for weapons.
>>222332035or you can just built power storage to save the surplus and have a very few fossile powerplants that can balance out the shortages
>>222331993no build nuclear plants in west berlin and germany all over because it’s safe nothing ever happens
>this thread again
>>222331894nuclear plants are hardened against this sort of thing and targeting them would be an escalation.so far no plats in ukraine or russia have been seriously damaged.
>>222332146>just store the energy for later, bro!and how exactly do you propose we do that?
>>222331894>renewablesis this renewable?
>>222332279AAA batteries
Why can't Germans, the heralds of European integration, understand that shared electricity grinds on the European scale need a stable base load to absorb renewable price volatility spikes ? Muh nuclear le bad wah wah. You dumbass niggas pollute the entire european grid with your garbage wind and solar. When shit goes down in Germany, everybody in Poland, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark and even Spain subisidizes your green faggot ass with hard, reliable fucking fuels like oil, gas and uranium. Everybody pays more because you niggas talk the talk but can't walk the walk. Fuck you. I wish for a total interconnector outage to teach you niggas a lesson about how grids work and what it means to have a functioning production base.
>>222332279Store it as potential energy by using it to pump water uphill, then turn it back into energy as needed by allowing it to flow through a turbine?
>>222332279batteries, they're getting pretty cheap.he's still wrong because germany just isn't great for renewables. my country is because we have abundant sun here, but for higher latitudes it's stupid to rely entirely on solar and wind.
>>222331894Renewables are a meme and it’s only the US and Russia funding Green parties to make you reliant on their natural gas exports
>>222332146Clearly, you can't simply build power storage, as the failure of every single country to do so demonstrates,
>>222331894>renewablesYeah they're renewable at a net energy loss. Very smart.
>>222332009>>222332112depending on the damaged part it can cause a fukushima like meltdown or release radioactive material which pollutes large parts of the region similar to tschernobyli dont want that for my country just so we can use the most expensive energy production method>>222332217ah yes the very much cared for international laws that are so important right now in the world totally forgot we cant even be attacked because attacking other countries is illegal>>222332279you can store the energy via batteries and there are some other methods mentioned in the repliesalso its a work in progress which i have full confidence will be developed further and only become more efficient
>>222332325You're talking to a muslime that has made this same thread several times.
>>222331894who the fuck would target a nuclear plant? there are nuclear plants in Ukraine and Russia and you dont see them having catastrophic incidents. Only us and Israel are bold enough to do something like that. is ok my dog dont bite
>>222332380actually the pushback against renewables is financed by foreign powers to have pressure on us>>222332394thats just not true why make such a baseless claim?
>>222332419>international lawsnot international law, it's the escalation ladder.if you attack my power plants i attack yours, then i start busting your dams. tit for tat.
>>222332325i say we should built renewables and you think i say we should dig for more coal?
coal is pretty badass
>>222332471>>222332465yeah because no one would make stupid suicidal political descision during wartime that fucks the world order
>>222332524true
>>222332377Batteries are fucking horrible for the environment. Not just for the fact that they become toxic waste once they've lost their ability to store charge, but also because producing them requires intensive mining of rare earth elements to begin with, and because battery fires are damn near impossible to extinguish reliably. It's a terrible idea to use them on an industrial scale.
>>222332470In non-manufacturing countries (every firstie country) and even in manufacturing countries with corruption and fuckery they cost more energy to create, ship, build, and maintain than they will ever make in their lifetime. It really only takes basic math to figure this out. The only exception seems to be hydroelectric dams. Maybe there is some promise with ocean wave power plants couples with desalinization or hydrogen production. Wind and solar are absolute failures in every practical implementation outside of China and I have questions about china too, but of course they only release information they want the world to see.
Russians support Nuclear Power in Germany because they want to cause a Nuclear Disaster.Germany should focus on Solar Power.
>>222332594>Rent Free
>>222332470You're a braindead retard btw
>>222332355i actually love this idea and i think you could power a nation off the beautiful fusion of hydro wind and solar
>>222332591>It really only takes basic math to figure this out.damn you got any basic math calculation you want to share with me?
Why not have renewables and nuclear at the same time, or at least in the meantime until we can fully rely on renewablesYou niggas have to start up your coal plants again every other day
>>222332564what if the power plant used a different kind of battery like molten salt
Nuclear is great if you can afford to build underground, if you have a reliable source of water for cooling and if you can afford the investment.The biggest downside is that it costs a ton and takes a long-ass time to get built to be safely put into use.Whereas other renewables can be installed faster.
green energy have numerous problems like storage for when there's a lack of wind and solarnuclear is the best option
>>222332602you are a retard and your mother is the willing cumslut of filthy turks
>>222331961Hydro is also super efficient.
>>222332612Yes, it's called EROI. You can look it up, retard
>>222332564Bullshit. Batteries don't randomly disintegrate when they die. You can recycle the materials in a battery to make new ones. There are also battery chemistries which have extremely low thermal runaway risk. They are better suited to grid battery storage because they are less dense but more stabile. The mining is a non-issue.
>>222331894And who would use drones against us? The biggest risk for us is the lack of qualified personal/workforce keeping them running.
>>222332533do you know how much damage a dam can do? they can kill more people than any power plant could. it's just stupid and there's not much to gain from that kind of escalation.>>222332564there's chemistries that don't require rare earths and are made of very common elements. they don't have the same capacity as the fancy ones but it's good enough for energy storage. safety isn't a major issue either, you can make pretty stable batteries nowadays, even high capacity ones.
>>222332624Because all of the "green" energy business interests hate each other. Wind and Solar hate hydro and nuclear because they produce lots of power for relatively little investment and maintenance, unlike wind and solar.
>>222332668EROI is oversimplified and inconsistent and not enough to base shit on alone
>>222332703>Wind and Solar hate hydro and nuclear because they produce lots of power for relatively little investment and maintenanceLmao are you trolling. Hydro is extremely maintenance heavy or else entire dams will collapse and kill millions. Nuclear on the cheap end still costs multiple billion dollars. It's literally the exact opposite.
Idk and idc , if you get the nuclear power back please for the love of Hitler nuke the shit out of us
>>222332673Lmfao, niggas talking about installing hundreds of Twh batteries when the cream of the crop technology to conserve energy in Europe is heating fucking sand. Fix the grid first then you'll talk about batteries. Dumbass naive idealist
>>222332642Batteries, but they're expensive for large capacity storage.
>>222332703>for relatively little investment and maintenancethats just not true in the case of nuclearnuclear energy is the most expensive form of energy production
>>222332741>Hydro is extremely maintenance heavy or else entire dams will collapse and kill millionslmao, dam maintenance is cheap. Just dredge every so often.>oh no, I am too poor and stupid to maintain a damEven beavers can fucking manage this, what is your excuse?
>>222332756>Source; muy brown ass
>>222332772i dont care about your brown ass ahb-dakir
>>222332703I don't know about that. Hydro doesn't generate near as much power as it could. We have these massive reservoirs and they can only run when the reservoir is too full. Its a big project that takes up a lot of land and it doesn't exactly generate that much power. It's a few megawatts. a city needs thousands
>>222332721>EROI is oversimplified and inconsistent and not enough to base shit on alone>because it just is okay??? we know better IN GERMANY
>>222332770Or you can buy a few solar panels for a couple hundred bucks and slap them on your roof. No 10+ years of planning and a billion consultants. And it's cheaper too.
>>222332805Turdie mindset. Solar also doesn't last even more than a decade. Meanwhile, the hydro dams in the US built in the 30's still provide power to this day.
>>222332803>uhhh did you know random shithole x is actually insanely wealthy because we use one metric that can't be used on its own but is very convenient for the point i wanted to make?
>>222332831ok again i dont think the average dam is like the hoover dam or the grand coulee dam or three gorges. the average dam makes more like 30-50 mw/h instead of 3000-5000, yes?
>>222331728people who oppose nuclear power are the worst retarded braindead troglodytes they are literally responsible for the climate crisis and they should all be axed
>>222332831OR you can buy a few solar panels for a couple hundred bucks and slap them on your roof. No 10+ years of planning and a billion consultants. And it's cheaper too. also you should stop cutting off your foreskin
>>222332894its the other way aroundnuclear power slaves should all be rounded up and thrown into their beloved reactors
>>222332872I wish from the bottom of my heart that the grid interconnectors from Europe to Germany get closed, even only for one hour, to teach a lesson on energy management to you smug assholes. You need a brutal reality check. You need to realize that you're alone in this green nonsense and that WE subsidize your folly. WE see the results of your politics on OUR energy bills. Fuck you
>>222331728Chud always doBut it's funny how absolutely low iq morons that can't barely read are so obsessed with nuclear.
>>222333001jesus christ what did you pay on your energy bill last month to make you say that
>>222332930we literally could've dodged the climate crisis if it werent for actual retards like yourself
>>222331894Yeah think all the times ruzzians and ukranians droned each others nuclear facilities such as... ermm... ummm...
>>222333036I beg your stupid ass to check ENTSOE once in your life and run a simple regression on energy prices. You'll see that the demand from German fuckers when their gay green energy has issues (which is most of the time) increases prices in Europe significantly. And don't get me started on volatility spillovers. These baboons think they live in the garden of Eden and that they just have to flick a switch to get electricty
>>222333001Rare based frog. I kneel
>>222332591China produces more than enough energy through renewables to cover a country like Germany's entire grid
Krauts are genuinely cattle holy shitI have a bridge to sell you anons
>>222333174>China produces more than enough energy through renewables to cover a country like Germany's entire gridSo they say. It's fucking china the data is unreliable. I hope they're doing it though
two words:Breeder Reactors
>>222333333QUINTS OF TRUTH VGHHHHH
>>222333333>222333333holee dam
>>222331728This. Why build dangerous nuclear plants that go boom-boom like Hiroshima, Fukushima and Chernobyl when Germany can import super cheap energy from Russia?
>>222333333
>>222333333two words:nice digits
>>222331728So what's the alternative then? Oil and gas? Imagine being this psyopped by Americans/Russians. If you need a hint on how not to be a retard then look at what France is doing.
>>222331841>send it into space>rockets explodes >now you have chernobyl all over the worldbased retard, even if it was somehow monetary feasible
>>222332325it is kino to be fair
>>222333333based knowerbreeder reactors can also be made so their waste can be renewed for both military and civilian-grade use. China’s CFR-100 (one of the few breeder reactors in use) already does so
>>222333553CFR-600*fixed
>>222332805That's for personal usage and it's perfectly fine if you want solar power in that form. Solar energy is only good for that and for specific uses like on satellites and whatnot, solar farms are a complete joke and waste of cash.
Nuclear is dead. Renewables have curb stomped it into dust.
>>222333333>>222333553They are a meme, go to the world nuclear website (official nuclear shill lobby) and they will list all the breeder reactors. They are all prototype/experimental/demonstration, with the only 2 exceptions set to be ready in the 2030s (Trust the plan).
>>222331894>you can't build things because there are ways for them to be attackedfuck, I guess Germans should go back to living in caves then
>>222333624Solar sucks until we figure out better batteries.
>>222331728 Bait used to be believable
>>222333624the US has deserts, solar is obviously good for sunny places
>>222333722Batteries already won too. There's also a new battery tech called sodium ion which is made from abundant materials (no lithium dependence), works at low temperatures and charges fast. It's not meme tech either, it's already being produced at scale. The only challenge left for renewables is storing energy for multiple days for rare events when there is very little sun or wind.
>>222331728Why not hydro
>>222333333Krauts btfo
>>222331728If France didn't put all their leaky reactors right on the border you people would have gotten over nuclear power by now. I blame the frogs for your backwardness.
>>222331841Expensive
>>222331841Enemy sends 1 plane with 1 bomb to your country now 3 cities have no power and get to play stalker irl
>>222332325the Bagger is for fun
>>222332352We could all get cheaper electricity from solar panels in Spain but your faggot country refuses to connect them to the grid properly
>>222332471>Attack other country's nuclear plants>Don't have any yourself so they can't attack backezpz ggwp
>>222332665I recently discovered hydroplants have an expire date
>>222331728>are people parroting stupid shit in your country as well?The popular sentiment towards nuclear here is that we're way too corrupt and incompetent to manage a nuclear power plant
>>222333142>If we frontload the energy cost into government subsidies nuclear actually is cheap ou quelque chose Peak med economics lmaoAnyway thanks french tax payer for the cheap electricity, your much appreciated donation will be utilized to create groSSgermaniums in Swedish map games and heat my pizza in the oven
>>222335139you're a fucking idiot. meltdowns at a modern nuclear power plant won't be anywhere near as dangerous as the meltdowns of history
>>222331894>muh renewablesthis has to be bait
>>222331894active nuclear fuel is in a pool of water, under multiple layers of concrete structureyou would need a lot of heavy explosive drones to breach the nuclear power plant to spread deadly radiationhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRaKMTK7ea0
Can you imagine if the damage in spain was not done in a solar field and instead it was damage in a nuclear plant? Spaniards wouls not be able to compete with 2 headed 4 horned bulls in the arena.
of course a german made this retarded post. enjoy tearing up your natural spaces.
>>222335822Migger alert! Migger alert!
>>222331728>Fossil fuels about to get rekt>Electrification of carsThey are smart, you are restarted>>222331841>send it into spaceRETARD OF THE MILLENNIUM
>>222331728Sweden is massively upgrading the nuclear power system with several new plants and locations. It's the best source of power after hydro and we've pretty much maxed out on hydro at this point. We also tried the renewable bullshit and it failed. >https://scandasia.com/sweden-abandons-100-renewable-energy-goal/We're building 2 new full size reactor sites and up to 10 smaller localized ones. >https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/country-profiles/countries-o-s/swedenAnyone who is against nuclear is either retarded or extremely contrary for no reason.
>>222331728>dude just give the russians something worth nukingnever listen to nuclear tards
>>222336244>dude the russians are totally gonna use radioactive bombs on these radioactive power plants to kill people with radiation, not bomb radiation though but power plant radiation ooh haha isn't that scary?
>>222336244How on earth does that make any sense? They get the same fucking results nuking literally anything.
>>222336226Of course its next to water. The last thing that ocean fish will hear with its newly radioactive hyper sensors is a somali snownigger screaming allahu akbar before it evaporates into green goo like in fallout games.
>>222331841>name 1 thing wrong with nuclear powerTerrorism
>>222336244And once you bomb nuclear plant its over. Solar you replace it in 3 days and laugh at the wasted bombs.
>>222331993I don't think it is any easier to protect solar or wind in the event of war. In fact I believe it's more difficult, now more than ever. It's not like you can cover them in concrete domes meant to containt explosions>but it's dispersedNot really an advantage these days given that cheap cruise missiles can be spammed daily and in the hundreds
>>222331961We have 2 nuclear power plants.https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Nuclear_Almirante_%C3%81lvaro_Alberto
>>222336454Nuclear power is built next to water for a very good reason anon.. Also all three of our current nuclear power plants, Ringhals, Oskarshamn and Forsmark are all next to bodies of water.
>>222336561Wow. Very interesting.
The security risk of nuclear facilities is largely overstated.
>>222332831This was true maybe 10 years ago, but it isn't anymore. Most of the anti-solar talking points are woefully out of date
>>222336614Provide a way in which you can manufacture and distribute solar in a way which is net positive in energy. Including some kind of battery. We'll completely ignore the infrastructure implications for now
>>222331728return how?did it break?
>>222336612Yea only 4 major leaks in the last 5 years. Nothing to worry about.
>>222331728I sincerely hope you germans starve and freeze to death this winter.You are a retarded species of 60s hippie Green energy utter morons, and you do not deserve to have security, basic amenities or a good future. You dirty, fucking, refugee welcoming, spargel eating, sitzpinkling gutmensch
>>222331728In my country we reject the Heidelberg printing press in all its satanic job-stealing glory.
>>222336649>orc has visceral reaction at the thought of green energyKek
Good, good, make more energy policy decisions like this. This is soooo goooooood. I agree completely.
>>222336643Germany closed all their nuclear plants and started burning coal and shit instead like it's the 1940's.
After this thread die, I demand a naked dogeza krautpology. Un-fucking-belieavable.
>>222336634You want domestic only or global supply chains?
>>222336698sounds retard were in the atomic age why go backwards
>>222336854The Chernobyl disaster scared the shit out of boomers back in the day
>>222336854>>222336883Also russian agitprop, unitonically. They wanted to be europe's gas station and nuclear power would have ruined that
>>222333333Breeding Reactors
>>222332643nah, this doesn't happenwhat happens is my country flooding yours with rapefugees we 'save' from the sea (and we will keep doing it fyi)
>>222331728>>222331894Green Party voters should all be hanged for treasonChange my mind
>>222336922Thanks Russia, more of this please.
>>222336698yes... coal is what they burned in the '40s.
>>222336965Russia unironically funds (or at least did) almost all the "Green" parties in the EU.
>>222337047Kek
>>222337047Vgh... aryan coal to cremate corpses at 1488% speed...
ALL NUCLEAR POWERPLANTS MUST ENDOUR MOTHER GAIA SHALL NOT BE HARMED
>>222337198a real ecowarrior would rather get rid of coal fired plants first
>>222333333Trvke
>>222336922Yeah I've read that they funded a bunch of green type stuff to limit Europe’s industrial power
>>222331728Can never tell with Europeans if it's bait or actual retardation
>>222337504Germans really are like this. It's a problem.
>>222332419You really have no idea how batteries are made, how they work, or the levels of energy we're talking about here, huh? We already use batteries, it's called a substation. That's not a solution for the entire local grid anywhere.
>>222337514They must be stopped
>>222331728>we dont do that in germany…
>>222337535Actually... why?I see no reason to stop them. Their loss of competetivness has already brought factories to Poland and other countries. We're getting jobs, contracts, capital, we sell energy. Why would we give a flying fuck if they want to ruin their economy.
>>222332609it ALWAYS uses more power than it generates. no such thing as a free lunch
>>222332747why wont they do it? are they that greedy for thier sand?
>>222337575
>>222337580>I see no reason to stop themHistorically what happens when you don't stop German autism? Poland you can speak first.
>>222337671you would have to employ like a million people to clean those panels off every day, or something like that. don't they have sandstorms?
>>222337706Yeah but this time the autism is directed inwards. It's like the country has depression and wants to kys. So idc what they do. And if they go crazy because of poverty and need to expand we're making cheap drones and planning to have a ballistic arsenal like Iran and also we're actually talking to (you) about nuclear sharing and on the downlow there's talks of an undeclared nuclear arsenal. But above all, I wouldn't bet a whole lot on modern german masculinity.
>>222332146Yeah but the power storage facilities could be the target of terrorist attacks, have you thought about that?
>>222336598Of course you cried to janny and my comment ahmedsson cause i found out your plan to sabotage and leak nuclear into the sea
>>222337597It's a method of storing power, not generating it, you fucking retard. No storage method is 100% efficient. The most efficient batteries we can make are around 90% efficient, while pumped storage hydropower is around 80% efficient. Considering the absurd complexity and resources requirements to produce lithium ion batteries compared to a fucking water pump, I think a 10% loss in efficiency is a more than fair trade.
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