>What language(s) are you learning?>Ask questions about your target language!>Help people who want to learn a new language!>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!>Do not reply to the Jordanian!>Make frens!**Comprehensible Input Wiki**https://comprehensibleinputwiki.org/wiki/Main_PageRead the wiki:https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_WikiUseful links:>Free language‐learning book archive:https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw>Books on linguistics and language courses:https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by familyhttps://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/>/lang/ inpoot torrentshttps://rentry.org/inpoot>Refold Anki deckshttps://rentry.org/refold>Non-English piracy siteshttps://fmhy.net/non-englishPrevious Thread: >>222267635
>>222348477I ate my neighbor
>Spain v Cape Verde starting soonAnyone watching in their TL?
INPUT
The government is going to pay 3000€ for 80 1:1 hours of Spanish classes with a native speaker. Excited :D
>>222351341are you training to become a diplomat iyc?
What languages to increase my getting laid chances?
>31/M/US >Wants to learn: Russian >Can speak and teach: English I am a writer and a mechanic. I like birds, reading, music, and similarly nerdy things. I'm also into fitness and am very active. I am open to talk about anything really. I know a bit more than the basics of Russian and want to practice and learn more. t.me/TooBigRabbits
>>222351628Nope, here in Slovakia if you are young and unemployed which I am, the government can substitute you for courses if you can prove that after completing the course youll be able to find a job. However the system is a big mess and they dont really care if you find a job afterward. kek
>>222352739C-Can I abuse this to get 3000 euro as a native English speaker to talk to a Slovak for 80 hours 1:1?
Russian, french or arabWich one is more useful, easy or harder to learn, and has the most interesting internet community?(cause I'm poor and I'll never travel to any of those countries)
>>222352819Why would you want a Slovak output haha. But does your country not have any unemployment benefits?
>>222352941>usefulNone if you'll never travel internationally >easyFrench>interesting internet community I don't know
>>222353013It does, and income-based stuff too, but I'm never going to claim any of it, I'd rather do a job to make money.
>>222351810Music
>>222354118>be me>lvl 4>dad makes you play the keyboard and the accordion XD>12 levels later, you go to the HS>you see some guy playing the guitar surrounded by girls>brilliant idea>bring the accordion to the school>nickname "Gypsy" until the end of the school
>>222351810spanish
>>222355458>lvl 4>dad makes you play the keyboard and the accordion XDgiga based dad fuck you for complaining about him
>>222356112It's a copypaste. I wish my dad would force me to play the accordion at that age though
>>222335705I was going to reply this before but then the old thread got archived just when I was ready... oh well busy at work, I guess all the neet country specific threads get bumped and kill these ones on a Monday morning. Anyway I think it's because the threshold effect, if a language is sufficiently alien it takes so much effort to start getting into it that it filters all the casuals and only people who become really passionate about it will keep going. >Do you use a specific method?Just the usual, several textbooks for for beginner/intermediate levels. Grammar and kanji workbooks, grinding anki, and a ridiculous amount of hours (how many thousands?) of input from whatever media I find enjoyable.
Do you guys have a language that you'd love to learn even if it feels completely irrational?For me that would be Twi.I just love how it sounds. It has a beautiful flow without harsh sounds and the grammar doesn't seem too bad either.There would be almost zero use cases for me unless I stumble upon a rare Ghanaian. They're pretty laidback and nice people.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAhK_HlNNJM
>>222356946she a cute, that's a reason.H E L S I N K IELSINKI
the whole language scamming the government thing the slovak was talking about earlier is the reason the west is going to shit and corpos are using AI to gouge retards like him and the government out of money
>No Bluey on Netflixit's over
>>222357442Imagine just how lightyears ahead of everyone America would be if we didn't import a racial underclass to do what Europeans do to their governments with our government.>>222357645Kill yourself. PLEASE.Both for watching a kid's show for "beginner input" and also for watching Bluey as an adult.
>>222357645You can usually find full episodes on YouTube, same as Peppa Pig.
>>222357904thanks anon>>222357833thats it anon? do you have anything else to say to me?
What's the point of learning Spanish if Portugese exists?
>θ>ðWhy did continental germanic speakers fear these?
I can kinda understand Peppa Pig in my lithuanian. Huh, interesting.
>>222351341I wish I could get paid for having 80 1:1 hours of Slovak classes with a native speaker...
>>222358526Read the Bible, in your TL if you prefer.
>>222352941China and Japan are the only countries with significantly different, interesting Internet communities. Pretty much everyone else on earth uses the same few Western websites where they regurgitate the same memes.
>>222358625More different (more or less) countries woth Spanish>>222356299Make sense. But this may also explain the phenomenon: >>222361189>>222356946Finnish and maybe Estonian. Maybe because I like the sound of these languages, maybe because I liked the Moomins as a kid, maybe because I saw in these countries historically alternatives to Poland from a similar period, maybe because of Finnish and Estonian disco which slaps. Idk.>>222356081Hmmm... Does it really? In the United States, I think so, mostly because in both Americas only four languages are spoken, including English, and French is spoken only in small amounts, so 3.5
>>222361472In America only 1 language is spoken. You mean the Americas when referring to French, and what the spics babble can hardly be called Spanish.
I encountered a native speaker of American Spanish the other day who said wachar (from English "watch") instead of ver or mirar to talk about watching tv
>>222357833Bluey is based
>>222363785OI LOIK FACKING TELLY FOR CHILDREN See you guys in 2 years when you’re complaining about “only being able to handle kid’s content”
>>222361472there's spanish speakers everywhere but a mexican girl will disrobe for a spanish speaking white euro in like 5 seconds
So what's the update on interpals? Do people still use that? Where can I find a beautiful mid that I can marry and also learn a language with? Bottled maybe?
>>222363985As long as he keeps watching increasingly difficult content I don't see why it would be a problem. Though sometimes you do encounter people who listen to nothing but learner targeted material and then are seemingly confused as to why they can't understand the language the way it's actually spoken. Which is pretty funny to be honest.
>>222365435holy fucking cute
>>222357833>>222363985I'm going to rewatch Avatar the last Airbender now in my TL, just because of your autistic outrage
>>222366574The difference between Avatar the Last Airbender and Bluey is like the difference between Harry Potter and The Very Hungry Caterpillar. Unironically though, I don't get watching (young) children's shows. I think people like them because they're made for natives and therefore supposedly more natural than input specifically made for learners, but I think that's porbably not true and that, even if it is, it's fine to consume slightly unnatural input early on. I genuinely don't think I could get a significant amount of daily input from Peppa Pig without it harming my mental health
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>>222368439I agree, I just find it ridiculous, whether he's trolling or not, to get so triggered over someone using kid's content for language learning or even just for entertainment, who gives a fuck. Judging people for that is more childish than watching cartoons IMO.
>>222365452>As long as he keeps watching increasingly difficult content I don't see why it would be a problem.I guess to effortpost, my problem is that the people who come on here once a week to rage about how they’re stuck on peppa pig never seem to stop and consider whether or not, as adults, a kids show is actually even that easy of input for them. In any given language there’s almost always more mature content with more pertinent language that is still easy input. I think someone should be doing native content ASAP.I do also think basically every Bluey fan i’ve ever interacted with (that don’t have kids) are weirdos, and that the relatives I have who do let their kids watch it have hyperactive Ipad kids compared to those who don’t. I used to know a guy in a fucking polycule who talked about how much he loves Bluey and that it makes him cry because of how wholesome chungus it is.>>222366574See there’s a big difference between watching quality television aimed at ages up to middle and early high school from your childhood that you already watched growing up and watching a show for 3 year olds made in the last few years. I bet Pokemon probably works great.
>>222351810The language of being attractive or rich
>>222351810Confident body language
>>222351810Be-yourself-ese
>>222363985Stopped doing that a couple of years ago. I watch native content now. But I might watch some of it again when I pick up a new language.
>>222371178Okay that makes sense I'm not at all familiar with the level of language used in something like Bluey so I wasn't sure what the issue was but it sounds like it's a show for toddlers or preschoolers. Kids shows is such a wide range of material depending on their level of development that it's hard to tell. Anyway I liked cartoons such as card captor sakura aimed at children of school age when I was a beginner, even if they avoid higher register language it's still more or less the language as it's spoken.
>>222371976Yeah part of the problem is that a lot of kid’s content may be “simple” it is simple in a way designed for native speakers that are just very young. The topics are aimed at them, and the language is often in a register and style that is less useful in the short term. In essence, kids are high fluency, with minimal conceptual knowledge. Adults are high conceptual knowledge and low fluency, due to our inherently limited volume of input. Ergo, adults can benefit from tackling content that is conceptually more dense as long as they can understand enough to get useful input out of it. A big part of the value of doing translated material is the familiarity, so I for example typically start learning any new language with Genesis 1 since I have Genesis 1-2 down borderline by heart and since the biblical register in any language tends to prefer literalism. 初めに神は天と地を創造された. In principio, Deus creavit caelum et terram. ἐν ἀρχῇ ἐποίησεν ὁ θεὸς τὸν οὐρανὸν καὶ τὴν γῆν. Au commencement, Dieu créa les cieux et la terre.Are all conceptually identical, with only some small grammatical differences, so as an example of a limited literary register, my conceptual grasp and high knowledge of the text let’s me learn words with a far lower starting vocabulary. Usually by the time I’ve intensively read about 10 chapters of a given gospel it turns into extensive reading since the lexicon is relatively narrow. Obviously this is just one reading track in a mixed environment including usually one progressive reader and native non-literary materials, shows, news, social media, etc. but the point is that by challenging myself and working intensively for a short period, I can acquire the ability to read something extensive much earlier.
>>222364538Do they really? I feel like people are exaggerating. And I don't mind exploiting the exoticism factor, but I wouldn't want to take advantage of someone's plight and buy a wife from the cartel or something. I don't really know what it's like in Mexico>>222371340>>222371360>>222371410I'm relatively poor and not very attractive, so I have to make up for it with personality and wit. I'm learning languages anyway, so I might as well think about increasing my chances with it>>222354118I'm ordering a harmonica, I'll piss off the neighbors
>>222365435Came here to ask this as well. I'm going to France for an immersion course next year-ish and want to hook up some honeys my age-ish.>Je voudrais vous fucker num num num
>>222373727>Je voudrais manger ta chatte num num num
>>222373768
TIL about high variability phonetic training:>Among numerous approaches to improving L2 perception skills (e.g., shadowing, imitation), high variability phonetic training (HVPT) is increasingly considered the most empirically supported phonetic training paradigm in L2 speech research. HVPT entails perceptual training with trial-by-trial feedback in which learners are trained using multiple instantiations of the target sounds (e.g., segmentals) produced by multiple talkers (voices) in varied phonetic contexts. HVPT studies have shown perception improvement for L2 liquids, vowels, stops, fricatives, tones, and syllable structure. Benefits of HVPT have generalized to the perception of trained sounds in untrained phonetic contexts and produced by untrained talkers.https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/studies-in-second-language-acquisition/article/high-variability-phonetic-training-hvpt-a-metaanalysis-of-l2-perceptual-training-studies/6ABB8C1F32D88D53EA8D05A4565E76F6Basically, minimal pairs but with a variety of speakers speaking in a variety of ways so you don't overfit. I don't know enough about linguistics research to tell how legit this is, let alone how well it transfers from a lab environment to real life study, but the results seem commonsensically true. It would be prohibitively expensive to do this with actual native speakers, but I think you could make a HVPT program similar to kotu.io if you:1. Get a variety of TTS models to generate minimal pairs (probably they're good enough for single words? If there aren't enough good ones, maybe find a particular model that allows voice cloning?)2. Add optional features like randomly muffling the audio, adding background noise, and slowing down, speeding up, or pitch shifting the audio (kotu.io already has the first two)I think these two things could completely eliminate the overfitting problem with minimal pairs and be a holy grail for tones and pitch accent, conditional on TTS being good enough
>>222373900Obviously, you should take meta-analyses like this with a grain of salt. The studies they cite are heterogenous in terms of study design, how experienced the learners are, what they're learning (Japanese people learning to differentiate /l/ and /r/ in English vs English people learning tones in Mandarin, etc.), and most of them have very low sample sizes. I personally think both the claims that 6 is the optimal number of speakers and that improvement levels off after 400 minutes are just statistical artifacts (although I obviously think there's dimishing returns). That being said, I actually think that results through HVPT could be better than the study I linked suggests. I think that tone and lexical pitch is probably especially suited to this kind of study, and if I'm right about returns not levelling off after 400 hours (where it should improve perception by about 1 standard deviation) you can just push through the diminishing returns. Apps and websites and Anki decks also allow you to grind much more content more quickly than having people in real life repeat things to you. Obviously, none of this is a silver bullet and you will always need to consume extremely large amounts of native audio to develop good comprehension
>anon has a bad experience watching an episode of peppa pig and overdoses on ritalin edition
>>222365435please answer!
>>222376331I used it briefly, maybe two or three years ago. People are very shy, so a real photo helps, even if people can't clearly see your face on it. For Western languages: women behave like the insufferable Tinder attention seekers, especially young ones and from germanic language group, with a few lovely exceptions. You literally go through a selection process like a job interview with a cold approach to even talk with them. Men don't want to talk with you. For Eastern and Latam languages: I suspect there are a lot of scams, but it's just intuition, accounts can disappear without a trace, people are more likely to cheat on what languages they know, what their native languages are, or what they are interested in. I made friends with one retiree, but he thought I ghosted him (I kind of did, but I had a lot on my mind at the time) and he got offended. Of course, this is my personal experience. Your experience may be completely different so just try it. Keep in mind that I'm not handsome, I'm not from a "prestigious" country, I'm not very good at texting and I'm an unc.
>>222373900this is true in general with high variability in language learning (e.g the same information repeated with slight variations in different understood contexts). you develop a stable and durable representation of whatever you're trying to learn much faster. More importantly, there's usually sort of a soft limit to the amount of new information that can be durably learned per day/per waking period and this seems to expand the limit. I've been working on my own sort of VRP style SRS system for a couple years and just got it working for myself 3 weeks ago (its like a normal SRS deck but randomly selects from a huge pool of sentences taken from real content and only shows you sentences where you know every word except for the target word and never shows you the same sentence twice) and I can confirm its very effective. I'm also hoping to build a minimal pairs trainer that piggybacks off of the same system with no TTS
>>222375761>2000 characters is an impossible amount to type
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWV9rzHntgEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Sgfr_eSUfEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9KD0QhyxHM
What german sound do you struggle the most with /lang/? Imo its Ö
I am spending too much time on these apps every day to still be so fucking bad at this fucking language.
>>222381924Less apps, more inpoot
>>222359562You probably could just by having English as a common language
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Why do people trashing about Spanish? I've noticed this for a few years now. Is this some kind of trend fueled by anti-immigrant sentiment from the US or something?
>>222385036Americans associate Spanish with poverty and third-world shitholes. They're quite superficial like that.
Anyone have recs for some good French Youtube channels to watch for input? I mostly watch stuff like Atrocity Guide, Small Brained American, some urbex stuff, and some weirder more niche channels like Life in Jars? My main goal with French is also to read it more fluently, so anything /lit/ related would be welcome as well.
>>222385036it's a clusterfuck of all the countries that speak spanish hating on the other spanish speakers. americans hate the spanish that mexicans speak, mexicans hate the spanish that amerispics speak, central america hates the spanish spoken north and south of them, the south americans hate their neighbors' spanish, the americas hate continental spanish, the europeans swing either way on their treatment of continental spanish i suppose. i used to hate listening to spanish years ago, but after having to interact with an increasing number of indians over the years, they've worn away my hate for spanish and given me a newfound appreciation of it compared to hindi. the hate on spanish will decline as it gets replaced by the new up-and-coming insufferable language to overhear.
>>222385182>>222385036Spanish irl in my country genuinely sounds disgusting and I have no interest on conversing with the people that speak it. Also, any anti-Spanish language sentiment is fueled by millions of Spanish-speakers moving here and not learning English. It’s just rude to live in a country for decades and be unable to speak the language. I’ve met several people like that. Imagine 25% of your country becoming Americans that refuse to learn Polish or Serbian. But most normie sentiment here is that Spanish is exotic and exciting and the only language worth learning. Few people actually think the former.
>>222385302Decent list of YT channels here:https://refold.link/french
>>222385492Why haven't you ever shown me this?
>>222373589>harmonicaI think it's good if it fits your personality. I think choosing an instrument is like choosing a language, you have to think of it as an extension of your character. The same as how birds make different sounds to attract a mate.
This meme was a thermonuclear truthnuke that utterly devastated me and I realized I was in no position to learn a foreign language unless I reformed my own understanding of English I am redoing my entire language education from the bottom up, from elementary English grammar, spelling, reading, literature, and handwriting. I am going to steadfastly and thoroughly become capable in English up to the level of a classically educated Victorian child
>>222386241Kinda forgot it was a thing until just now. You can replace "french" in that link with most non-meme languages and they usually have a decent collection of resources, but only some of them have these super organized excel spreadsheets.>>222387369>he fell for the grammar memeYou don't actually need to know any of that useless jargon, it has nothing to do with acquiring a language.
>>222387453Grammar treats of the principles and usages of language.
Should be "why are people" I think>>222386359fuuucking hell, another choosing nightmare has dropped>>222385355>>222385182>>222385310But, for example, Portuguese is often touted as a better alternative, and I've also seen complaints about the lisp in Continental Spanish (even though English has the same sound) or how ugly the language is
>>222387757>Portuguese is often touted as a better alternativeportuguese is used in brazil and portugal. if that's better for your interests then all the more happy for you.
>>222387935It's not about me. I just pointed out that, aside from the fact that Spanish gets a lot of hate, people also often argue that it's better to learn Portuguese instead of Spanish. And all these arguments for hating Spanish, about it being the language of the lower, poorer classes, loud music, favelas, etc. all these stereotypes can be applied to both languages, but it's Spanish the language that gets hate
how come no one ever calls the continental scandinavian languages creoles like they do english when they've undergone almost all the same "simplificaitons" as it? or dutch?
>>222388618This is because the Scandinavian languages, in addition to being simplified, have fewer Romance influences and more German ones. On top of that, they have more consistent spelling (clearly seen in similar Dutch words), fewer strange “pollutions” ("do", "get", loosing singular "you" and reinventing it with "y'all") and didn't go through a phase of larping as Romans like the UK did. The English upper class was French-speaking, and besides, people know less about Scandinavia, and it captures the collective imagination less (except perhaps for Marvel’s Thor or something) than the entire Anglosphere. As far as I recall, Dutch also lost its case system fairly recently, idk about Scandinavian languages. Plus, this is often measured by how far it is from German, which is treated as a blueprint for what a Germanic language should look like (probably because of the similarity of names “Germans”, "German" and “Germanic”).
>>222387369I actually think that a lot of SLA techniques would work really well on your native language. SRS, narrow domain input, in-language pop-up dictionary, etc. I would consider native-english-maxxing if I didn't hate this language and its people
>>222389316You hate English and English-speakers from inside the US? Are you Hispanic? My experience from 4chan is that Hispanic posters are fine with me unless I even allude to have been victimized or have been deprived of something in any way. It's like their modus operandi is "non-Hispanics cannot suffer." Or are you just some disaffected young guy that hates boomers? Either way when I think of English now I primarily think about England, and I have a new Anglophile outlook on things. They really were some of the best before everything went horribly wrong.
>>222388083Personally for me it's a case of a grown man hating religion because his parents woke him up to go to Sunday Mass as a boy. I had Spanish classes in middle and highschool, and it was completely insufferable and useless, and I ascribe all the negativity I have for my failed education to the Spanish language even if it isn't intrinsic to it necessarily. >>222386359>I think it's good if it fits your personality. I think choosing an instrument is like choosing a language, you have to think of it as an extension of your character. The same as how birds make different sounds to attract a mate.If you're doing it to try and be sexy, if that's even possible at all, it has to be guitar. A guitar's shape is abstractly curved like a woman's body, and playing gives off the subconscious impression of you fondling one. If there was a lingua franca meta of instruments, it's probably guitar, and on the technical side, keyboard and production software and music theory.
>>222389531So it's like with German / French in Poland: most haters had these languages in school. InterestingI don’t think it’s the shape of the instrument, although that might have some influence. Stringed instruments have been deeply rooted in and associated with romance in our culture since the time of the Occitan troubadours (from whom French later gained its reputation as a romantic language, despite the persecution of the Occitan language), and perhaps even earlier, from the skalds and Greek poets. Spaniards are also associated with passion and emotionality, and the modern guitar originated from the Iberia I think. Furthermore, its sound isn’t as “irritating” as that of many instruments that require lip control; it allows the player to sing and recite at the same time, doesn’t cover the face, and demonstrates the motor skills of the hands. The keyboard instruments also meet many of these criteria, which is why they're highly regarded, they have that high-class vibe, too, but they were less portable
>>222365435>>222373727I've invested way too much time of my life texting women in Interpals. HelloTalk is so, so much better. Interpals is absolutely infested with bots/scammers and the Facebook nature of it makes it so that girls that keep actively using tend to be weird ones. HelloTalk have plenty of (hot) normies.
>>222390126>troubadourhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFajbtpB3Kk(For optimal comprehension, pair the script on a smartphone or tablet with a smart TV or 8th gen. video game console’s YouTube)https://gsarchive.net/patience/webop/pat09.html(Start at ‘Patience: Hold! Stay your hand!’)
The difference in how much benefit you get from anki in Japanese vs French is striking.For Japanese it's basically: Anki is love, anki is life, I swear fealty to our lord and savior anki! And I haven't missed a day in years.For French it's a nice little tool that's certainly helpful but hardly a necessity.
>>222387369>average classically educated victorian childThey could compose greek and latin so have fun.>>222388618Because creole isn’t used accurately to refer to English. It’s more just a meme.
>>222388083It becomes hard to overcome a lifetime of dealing with illiterate peasants with half their teeth replaced by fakes by the 2nd grade who openly despise you for your ethnicity as an American especially when they in large part come here illegally. If you look up racial statistics for California hispanics either equal or outnumber white Americans, so I’m not fond of learning the language of people who are being used to ethnically cleanse my people from my home.
>>222351810French, but you also need to ingrain yourself in pompous cinephile circles. Simply by existing in these spaces, and knowing French, arty chicks will be instantly into you unless you are an autstic loser with zero charisma.
>>222381924>appsRookie mistake. No apps needed. Just lock in cuzzie.
learning Arabic... feeling powerful
Jordie raid jordie raid!Tell me which language to learn quick!
>>222398118íslenska
>>222398118Austrian, after the 3-1 loss suffered today in the wc.
>>222385302Le Fossoyeur de Films, Nexus VI, Sylvain Lyve, Sur le champ, École normale supérieure - PSL, INA, Blow Up, COLAS, Centre Pompidou, Nota Bene, IRONUMAN, Thepanash, Jamy (he has multiple), GouvHD, imineo Docus.The order is random and the general themes are movies, cars, animation, art, training, history and lectures. At this level you should stop asking for channels and build them organically based on your interests.
>>222387369>I was in no position to learn a foreign language unless I reformed my own understanding of EnglishJust be mid at your native and target languages. Its not that deep.
>>222398118Mogged by German speakers yet again
>>222396480It's understandable, but other minority languages don't have such hate. It's probably some older anti-Spanish resentment resurfacing in American culture. And I'm sitting in Europe. >>222396918I was thinking about French, but Italian and German were also in my head.>an autstic loser with zero charismaNot really, more like a failed normie or something. I actually went through a bit of a cinephile phase years ago; it helped my English a lot, especially with listening comprehension. But I'm also quite introverted, particularly around new people and have no game. I am a good dancer, though, so maybe Spanish isn't a bad choice after all?>>222398118Dutch
>>222398868>older anti-Spanish resentment resurfacing in American cultureMost of them arrived here within the past 20 years. My home town is the norm and it went from like 15% hispanic to 60% Hispanic in that same rough timeframe.
>>222398868>I am a good dancerJust start dancing during the movies at the cinephile orgy
>>222399043Kek>>222399040Yes, but when a culture has a tradition of hating something, it comes easier to them. It simply hits differently. Of course, these are my guesses.
>>222399721We don’t have a tradition of hating them. My whole life every effort has been made to accommodate them, make then feel welcome, and give them resources. Instead of integration occurring, as their numbers and influence grows, they simply get bolder and more aggressive, as the animus they always held against my people becomes less and less necessary to mask. The politics in my town now is half about whether the hispanic interest groups that nakedly embezzle can mobilize their cohort into getting whitey. Like it’s to the extent that when the Catholic parish (with a latino pastor) had a land dispute with the latino mayor, who is a member of a racial organization, he had members of his organization come to city hall and scream about those “rich white people in the Church” (the parish is like 80% hispanic and largely operates as a charity for hispanics). It feels sometimes like everything they do as a political bloc is related to wanting to hurt white people. We’ve been raised to be nothing but kind to them our whole lives and it’s still been nothing but shouting slurs across the street, getting wasted in the public park and sexually harassing white 11 year old girls trying to get home from school, shouting slurs at them, openly fucking over and taking advantage of every system. It’s awful and whites here are, as a population, among the most absurdly antiracist and liberal towns on Earth. There is absolutely no moral justification for this beyond hatred and tribalism.
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>>222398118Albanian Sign Language
>>222400209I was thinking more about the Spanish-American War, Mexicans in Westerns, border disputes with Mexico, the Texas War, etc. From what you write it doesn't seem good, but I have little knowledge of such precise topics in the USA, so I have nothing more to add
>>222376917>For Western languages: women behave like the insufferable Tinder attention seekers, especially young ones and from germanic language group, with a few lovely exceptions.That's discouraging. I really wanted to get away from the dating app scene.>>222391210any thoughts on tandem vs HelloTalk?>>222348477I think it'd be cool to know a dead language like Latin, Anglo-Saxon, or Ancient Greek but it'd just be to LARP.
>>222401264What does that look like?
>>222398118Didn't I tell you never to show your face in here again?
>>222403991Idk I can’t speak it
>>222404201I had a revelation and now I live for the based and do the based.For the based we live, for the based we die.Basedo Akbar!(also tell me which language is worth learning)
>>222404916i suggest picking whatever language that is most likely to inspire suicidal thoughts
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Actually spent a good couple of hours conversing in German today at a party, including a bunch of people who speak good English but were apparently happy to speak in German with me anyway. Feels like I'm reaching a point where it flows, but when I imagined reaching this point I always thought my grammar would be decent, but it really isn't. Yes speech is coming out fairly easy and people understand me, but I'm totally butchering noun genders, conjugation, sometimes even super basic errors like mixing up sein/ihr. In principle I know the rules but I can't mentally calculate them fast enough to make the sentences correct in real time.
>>222408430Speak to yourself more often.
what the fuck? english used to have ß???
>>222408430completely nuking your native language and exclusively using target language for a while seems to be the only way to get over this in a reasonable timeframe
>>222408751That seems like just a funny way to replace a long S.
>>222408751>>222409141german and english both used to have long s 'ſ' alongside the long s 's', the long s was only used at the end of words. eventually both languages abolished the long s, however german kept using the ligature ſs which eventually became the modern 'ß'
>>222409522>long s 's'*short s 's'
>the long s was only used at the end of words*short si'm such a retard
French easy German hard
>>222410543I have the opposite experience...
>>222398533I mean many people don't "organically build" a list of channels they watch. Most of the channels I watch in English come from recommendations I've gotten from my friends and from 4chan. In fact I don't think I've ever subscribed to a channel I just stumbled upon in my recommendations.
I've been learning languages consistently for almost 20 years and have studied around 10 different languages. People were really not exaggerating about how difficult japanese and korean are compared to almost anything else. They feel comically hard even in comparison to other difficult non indo-european languages like vietnamese and chinese. There's so much ambiguity and the structure is so opaque that it's hard to make sense of anything unless you already know all the little details in advance
>>222385182this is due to familiarity. we interact with spanish speakers on a daily basis, they're everywhere. most people have a neutral or positive opinion of them. and almost everyone in the US knows at least a couple dozen spanish words and phrases even if they've never studied it
>>222411218Yes I’m in this position. >>222400209I sperged out and wrote the above, but truth be told my point there was that the dislike is largely one-sided against natives and tons of people here do go and actually learn Spanish, just not in a nerdy way they’d post on /lang/ about.
>>222364538What happens here?
>>222410543German is easier for me. French makes me feel retarded.
>>222362165I was listening to a german podcast and instead of using kämpfen they used the "verb" fighten. Probably the most disgusting instance of denglish I have ever encountered and I have, regrettably, encountered a lot of it.
>>222413127having to occasionally listen to germans talk in English is already insufferable enough, I can't imagine why anyone would subject themselves to learning their language
>>222412399The island has a high GDP per capita but is a corrupt shithole where their oil money is just siphoned into buying govt employees and construction foremen rolexes. The mainland where a totally different ethnicity lives is a neglected backwater shithole because all the oil money belongs to the island capitol.
>>222413212To get them to stop speaking English
>>222381185>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWV9rzHntgEgood stuff
Question for mandarin speakers.I've recently been watching a show covering events all over mainland china that happens to have lots of interviews with regular people. In over half the episodes that I've watched you have people speaking with the southern chinese features where they merge sh/s, zh/z, ch/c.My question is, is this normal? What percentage of mainland mandarin speakers speak this way? I know there's gonna be differences with standard chinese vs how people speak in real life but I didn't expect this deviation to be so common.
>>222415522Not a mandarin learner but there is over a billion of those fuckers. Of course some of them will talk like retards. Just like how English speakers from Liverpool or Baltimore talk like retards.
>>222410651>>222412874How long have you been learning German? I'm surprised to see anyone have the opposite experience. I've been slowly learning German for a couple of years now, and I still struggle with understanding the spoken language, I need the transcript about every 30 seconds.
There may be a lot of disdain for Jordie in this thread, but at least he gets engagement. Engagement that this thread needs to flourish and survive so we can have intellectual discussions about why everyone should quit learning latin and learn esperanto instead. Or whatever it is you guys usually talk about.
>>222417238>but at least he gets engagement.thread almost reaches page 10 after no one responds to his second casting of bait
>>222410916Grammar and sentence structure really is something else. At least it's extremely regular (at least in Japanese), but even then somewhere around the intermediate level it can still be a common thing to encounter sentences where you know all the words know all the grammar and it still makes absolutely zero sense. How far are you into those languages?
>>222415522Majority of the chinese speakers speak with an accent.>>222417238The day Jordie leaves is the day this general dies.
>>222417238Everyone should quit Latin to learn Estonian
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I don't wanna study
>>222421379write down why you don't want to study for the day in your personal journal in your tl and then study tomorrow
>>222421502I don't wanna study because it feels like there's no end in sight
>>222421690of course there's no end in sight, it's a language. you're never going to stop learning stuff you didn't know about your language. you'll have to study to point where you can enjoy your tl's content. just gaslight yourself that you're a handsome reincarnation of sisyphus and god has given you a language for a boulder.
>>222421850There will be end in sight if i make the language go extinct thoughever
i wish german had more inflection on nounsbring back the dative -e, you cowards.
>>222421690But this is actually motivating. You just do whats need to be done, like repairing a pipe or changing the sheets or washing the dishes
>>222422011You might enjoy Icelandic
>>222417238Everyone should quit their TL and learn Scottish Gaelic so we can all establish a /lang/ clan commune in the outer Hebrides.
>>222422445If any you motherfuckers pollute the Hebrides with your presence I will personally reach out to my extended family there and have you assassinated. Doubly so if you’re anything less than 75% British and at all nonwhite. It’s like a fragile isolated nature preserve and you need to leave them alone.
>>222422552Everything I post is satire.
>>222421850>>222422023okay but I need to actually be fucking done at some point so I can use the language professionally (meaning native speaker university graduate level) and move on to other fields at the same time
>>222422610i have no advice to give you as you're currently infinitely more successful than me in life, gl and don't give up.
>>222422552I'll learn scots instead.
>>222422552too late ive already been there
>>222422552Too late. I’m already heading over. I’ve filed my petition with Lord Lyon to be recognized as Chief of Clan MacFaggot.
>>222422610So keep doing your part every day. You'll eventually reach the required level, but then you'll continue to develop in your TL at Uni. So treat it like muscles exercise or a diet. Do at least some minimum at lazy days. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you Fingers crossed, I wish you luck
>>222423430Based or cringe depending on how gay you are about it. Same with Gaelic desu.>>222423635My worst nightmare is every part-scot American (my people) descending on the isles and turning it into a digital nomad finance hub while knowing 5 words of gaelic.
>>222424177I’m just memeing obviously. We shouldn’t actually retvrn. You can’t stop me from visiting and respectfully keeping to myself though.
In my last two weeks of my chinese 101 class for college, about to start 102, then 201 in the fall, 202 in the spring. I think the 101 class mostly lines up with the old HSK1.Out of curiosity, if I'm doing my own independent study on top of college courses and still getting speaking practice with natives outside of class, do you guys think it's possible to reach HSK6 by the end of next year? Or is HSK4 more realistic? I need to pass HSK at ANY level, even HSK1 lol, before the end of next year, but eventually getting HSK6 is my own personal goal.
>>222424177How do you be gay about learning a language? Not that I would learn it anyway, but I do find the comparison of germanic languages to be really interesting. As an interesting piece of trivia the Swedish king Gustav II spoke scots.
>>222424350Mostly just by being butthurt about English, specifically with regards to studying celtic languages or Scots (even though Scots is literally an English-family language). You’re Swedish so I’m sure you’re not like that but in America and Britain there’s just this eternal seething resentment against and effort to differentiate yourself from the English.
>>222410668What I meant to say is that my recommendations aren't much better than what you get from algoslop, simply because some stranger on the internet has no idea what your interests are. I personally don't watch any gaming or anime content, I despise the reddit-tier soyence vulgarization channels and waste my time on less-produced fitness and car content so I can get the familiar vocab gains.I'm also having a terribly hard time finding engaging content myself, no matter what discovery method I employ.
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>>222422011you should Stefan Zweig if you like the e on the end of datives. Terrific writer with a pretty unique style. I read his autobiography die Welt von Gestern and am now reading his biographical treatment of Magellan. He uses all sorts of fancy/archaic formulations, which I guess in his day were just normal more or less. He also brings some Austriaism to the table being a jew from vienna.
>>222421379then input. Literally go for a 30 minute walk with a podcast on. It is that simple.
How does one learn cases. is it just a matter of input
>>222432235>How does one learn casesExposure therapy
>>222432235Are you doing German, ancient Greek, Latin, which is it?For Latin I honestly just did a lot of reading and alongside that memorized the declension charts outright. Cloze deletion cards where you type out an example paradigm like “rosa rosae rosae…” helps immensely to do it quickly.
>>222434648serbian
Please recommend streaming sites for watching movies and tv-shows for free in Spanish with English subs.
>>222432235Cases answer questions about a word’s function in a sentence, like about who?/what? with whom?/what? etc. That’s how we learn about it in school. They correspond to sentence word order in English: maybe this knowledge will help you understand what’s going on with all that.For example:Cat = kotI talk about (about who?what?) a cat = Ja mówię o (o kim?o czym?) kocie.So I can also say: O kocie mówię ja (About a cat talk I), Mówię o kocie ja (Talk about a cat I) and Mówię ja o kocie (Talk I about a cat), and all that means the same because words are inflected according to their case. The word “kocie” is in the locative case and “ja” is in the nominative case.Of course, we don't think about all of that, but rather about input, a lot of output, and feedback from others
>>222435443First, unless you have Serbian ancestors, kill yourself. Secondly, beyond memorizing the basic lists of endings, which merely helps you identify which case is which, doesn’t cover the manifold actual uses of cases, which basically allow for more flexible word order since they convey grammatical information that English would convey by word order. They’re not actually “complex” they’re just hard for us because we come from English, which is mostly an analytic language, having lost its synthetic features a millenia ago. As such, beyond actually learning the endings, basically just learn the many uses and tendencies just like how you learn everything else in a language, by paying close attention when you are reading and listening, and then reading and listening a lot. Knowing that a case = dative is nice, but knowing what the dative is actually doing in that particular chunk is what matters long term.Noun endings for latin and greek at least were the easiest parts of the whole thing in terms of size. It’s verbs that screw me up more.
Question: If I show up here actually having learned a language, will I atone for my sins and start on a new slate?
>>222437414yeah buddy, i would forgive you
How do you correctly ask someone if they're sick in Spanish? Is it like excited where if you say excitada, it means horny?I remember asking two women if one was sick in Spanish and they looked at eachother and started giggling
>>222398118>JordieWhy do Arabs try and call themselves kawaii and cutesy names
>>222437514/lang/ assigned that name to me
Jordan Jordie’s jording his Jordanian jordie in /lang/ again
‘Satire’, quoth he, but forsooth, thererin sat ire.
>>222439290Ugggghhhhhhhhhhhhh
>>222437414I'll pretend to accept you if you pretend to learn a language
I need to practice speaking in my TL. Unfortunately I have never dedicated any time to it and because of that my mind defaults to another foreign language and now I'm effectively tongue tied
>One other category of film you won’t see on this list is foreign language films. This isn’t to say they’re inferior. I just don’t enjoy reading dialogue instead of hearing it. So while I love The Seven Samurai (1954), Hidden Fortress (1958), Audition (1999), Amores Peros (2000), City of God (2002) and Apocalypto (2006) I cannot honestly put them on this list because I hardly ever feel like watching a movie where I have to read all the dialogue.Holy pleb
>>222387369>monolingual discovers he doesn't know the grammar of the language he speaks>instead of realizing grammar is useless decides to try to learn it insteadngmi
>>222445575any complaints from people regarding subtitles exposes others to the realization that they can't read or struggle to be literate.
>>222445844Yes if you can’t automatically process in your native language without needing to subvocalize you are illiterate
How do I make it so I don’t sound like a shitter when I speak in Spanish?https://voca.ro/1bjBMTeyuP8d
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Sono stupidoNon posso palare italiano
>>222452435>he can't even learn a cat 1 language No but seriously just sit down and study and you're going to make it.
>>222452855I've started and given up multiple times in multiple languagesRussian, Italian, SpanishShit's impossible cause I'm too fucking stupid
>>222452435Non sei scemo, uno scemo non può utilizzare un computer, non può mangiare e respirare allo stesso tempo e soprattutto non può pensare per sé. Ti manca solo della volontà
>>222452924Dude just watch the italian dub of family guy or some shit daily and repeat what they say under your breath it’s not that hard
>>222348477Cannot pick the 3rd language to learn. I am a native Russian speaker and work in the U.S., though my English is somewhat sucks and actively studying English gets boring and yields non-significant improvements. I'm looking for something that'd distract me from English environment, but not Spanish coz they are dirty poor, and it won't get me any monetary benefits. Chinese and Arabic are unjustifiably hard. Right now I am on a fence between French and German. Germany has a superior job market, that's it. French has less job opportunities, though culture is more pronounced in all ascpects (cusine, movies/songs/literature/arts), so it must be entertaining, but French people are snobs, but it had African colonies where u could get pussy for free and also French tutors for 5$/hour.
>>222452924You're not "stupido", it just takes a long time. You're probably not even doing anything wrong, you're just impatient and haven't stuck with it long enough to see tangible results.
>>222453600>I am a native Russian speaker>cannot pick *the* 3rd language to learnWe can tell.
>>222453888not here for grammar flexing, will pass through chat GPT next time if you like AI slop so much
Remember the Golden age of /lang/?
How do I come to terms with the fact that I will never learn Japanese?
>>222454349By not complaining about it and just learning it. It's just a matter of hours put into it.
>>222454349Accept the fact you'll be the same as the millions of weebs before you. One day in the future you'll look back at your attempt despite the fact you have even forgotten how to read hiragana. You reminisce about the time you even tried to attempt at such feat, only try to cope by justifying it as just a phase in life. You look yourself in the mirror, only to notice your features have became dulled and with a strange unfamiliarity. You washed up, walked into the world, only to become just another face in the unimportant billions.
>>222454122>grammar flexingi’m just saying Russians usually struggle with the definite/indefinite articles, in a way other people don’t stereotypically. It’s not a random grammar mistake, rather it’s a mistake that natives simply don’t make, on account of how hard to learn it is combined with how we use “the” more than any other word in our language. So it marks your text as distinctly foreign, because it’s a fundamentally different variety of mistake from the kinds natives usually make.
>>222454265What was it like?
>>222455202There were a mythical group of people who use to post something called challenges, and there were people who attempted such challenges. And, believe this, there was this group of people, who were called "Native Speakers" or people who LEARNED the language who would correct it. There was also some leaf who almost died trying to walk on the highway going to some polish festival.
>>222453491How do dubs handle the Surfin Bird episode
>>222455329>instead of posting your own challenges you bitch and moanThis is why 4chan is dead
>>222455360now say that in your TL
>>222455401Por esto 4chan esta muerto
>>222455329AI made all that irrelevant. Well, except for the leaf almost dying on the highway.
>>222454510I'm not complaining, just trying to come to terms with the loss>>222454659You're describing me in the future but it's actually me now.
>>222350893>tattoos
>>222350893Language?
Challenge: reply to each other only in your TL without using to google translate for the other's post.
>>222456333No.
>>222455360the last challenge that was posted had nobody reply to it. given, it was lines from a sailing book but this place before 2020~ must've been very comfy. i'll never forgive the techno-demons for what they've done.
>>222456950>i'll never forgive the techno-demons for what they've done.apparently it's gonna get worse
>>222456333‘S Anon as lugha agus gòrach.
What's the most fun language to learn? I only NEED English, but I WANT to learn a FUN language.Not trolling.
>>222457185Hasst du Jordanien?
>>222456330russian>>222456276clearly fake tattoos
>>222456950Honestly AI is very useful for language learning so I don't mind
>>222458250fuck you
>>222458431send your mummy to me so she can fuck me
>>222458512be on your way to seriously learning a language by the end of the year or im going to whoop your ass
>>222458537>>222458537https://vocaroo.com/1nJrFoQ2dOTK
>>222455329/clg/ patricians still respond to challenges. Sorry /lang/barians.
>>222458250Classical Arabic
>>222458250Icelandic
I just got out of my chinese midterm with my teacher. She said I was very fluent (for chi101 lmao) and gave me some things to work on. Does anyone else struggle with properly using "你呢?" One of the pieces of feedback I got was that I shouldn't just use this by itself but I would love more examples of it being used in a broader sentence if anyone has something!
>>222460411I'll 你呢 your ass
>>222460517爸爸谢谢 :)
Anyone here studying Spanish? Want to struggle with me? I'm not a native speaker, just moved here.
>>222460411the key is to use it passive-aggressively, and replace it with the honorific for the maximum effect. Reminder the overexaggerate the first syllable.
>>222458250Suomi>>222453600They're not as snobbish as they're made out to be. At least not more so than Germany or any other rich western European country, except perhaps Italy and Finland>>222454349Why is that? Just learn it if you want it. I have trouble with Japanese myself because it's a faraway country, most slop things are translated anyway, and Japan's best economic and cultural times are behind it, I'm naturally contrarian, and I'm strongly into Asian girls (but they're ok) but damn, it's such a cool country in my mind. And I like their music.
>>2224538262 years english -> french and i still haven't got past the good reading comprehension but can't follow spoken french, good vocabulary but mangle grammar including conjugations 100% of the time plateau. i'm not even a full spectrum retard, i'm good with math and science, practical skills, even social/emotional intelligence but language learning is a hole in my brain to the point i feel like a brain scan would literally show a black abyss where the language learning cortex should be
>>222460743I just input
>>222461896That's decent progress. Just keep at it and you'll get there.
hello i am learning spanish!
>>222462695Me too
>>222458293Chan eil. Tha e glè èibhinn
>>222462620It's actually pretty discouraging for me. French is considered an easy language. At this rate, it takes like 12 years to learn Japanese or even Finnish to a semi-decent level
If Haiti wins or ties this match I'll learn haitian creole.
>>222461896For what it’s worth, going through all 5 levels of a pimsleur course, or any sort of comparable sentence audio-drilling system that would be more suited to your level, can do a lot to help. It’s basically speech therapy.
>>222464024Anon just learn French
>>222460743I'm struggling right along with you. I'm closing in on 450 logged hours of INPUT. Ya me voy a hacer mas input.
>>222465510Pic unrelated. I honestly don't know what happened there...
>>222462695We should make a Spanish guild ITG (in the general), and we can pick cool code names like "Sparrow" or "Black Dog," but in Spanish!
