China is steaming ahead.
>ditching arts and languages in favor of more soulless tech bubblesgrim
>>222386973Genuinely what's the point of living without art and shit The obsession with "useful degrees" is the most soulless, slave brained bullshit that has captured the minds of "entrepreneur" bros. Why would I want to be rich in a world where I can't enjoy beautiful things? The whole point of money is having it to spend on something more than just the bare subsistence. The Liberal Arts were valued by Kings and Emperors, they were the path to becoming a fully fledged free man and not just some draft animal. There's a reason why the elites today push the "don't go to uni bro, just do a trade bro" meme. The don't want you to be a free man.
>>222386973>embrace AIGreat Leap Forward 2.0
>>222387316Means without ends. Welcome to modernity!
>>222387316Poverty is the greatest inspiration for art. The reason all modern art is so shit is because only the elites pump out "art"
>>222386973We should do the same and delete all useless leftist degrees
>>222386973Can soneone explain to me why someone is throwing these hats at them from above and why they put so much effort into trying to catch them instead of letting them fall and laughing at the dumbass who threw them?
>>222387491Lol are you for real?
>>222387316Dont even try to reason with these subhumans. They inherited their shitty genes from 50 generations of digging the ground in a repetitive pattern and jerking off cows and horses.
>>222387487>>222387548Go back to digging for beets, subhuman.
>>222386973>Communism promised a classless society where your worth isn't dictated by what generates capital >Communist Party guts things which aren't immediately useful for generating capital and turn their institutions of higher learning into wage monkey training facilities The world is full of hilarious self-parodies everywhere, for those with eyes to see
>>222387576So your parents werent born in the UK, you never finished higher education or probably even went to 6th form/college, are clearly far from the sharpest crayon in the drawer that has no idea what's happening in that image BUT you still consider yourself above common people because.. reasons?
>>222387466It inspires it sure but you still need patronage and support to execute, Michelangelo had a salary bro wasn't doing all that shit for free lol
>>222387316Why do you need a degree to create art, faggot?
>>222387664No just things that arent useful to society
>>222387316Because the left can't meme and the right can't into art
>>22238731699% of modern arts degrees have absolutely nothing to do with arts. It's all just commie and globohomo propaganda disguised as arts.
>>222387316>>222387364Trvkey posts.>>222387552I dunno man, as far as I can trace my lineage I come from peasant farmers. But I hate wageslaving and I have an appreciation for the humanities. Although tbf I'm pretty different from my parents.
>>222387687This
>>222387316Art is better than it has ever been
>>222387687>>222387953to learn and get better at it?
>>222387171please worship the linethank you
>>222387704>The least uncultured finn
>>222387664Art degrees are useless in both a capitalist world and a communist world.It's like asking "in which economic system does dogshit taste good?"
>>222388140Why do you need to get in debt to do that then?
>>222388460you don't in first world countries
>>222388476Artists should just get apprenticeships like in the old days. Either that or admit that their profession does not require a surplus.
>>222388258Hes right tho
>>222388441The answer, retard, is of course that the arts flourish most in an aristocratic society in which there is a class that can be entirely dedicated to the pursuit of excellence, entirely dedicated to the liberal arts without being distracted by any of the servile arts. This is how you get actual masters, and not just clever craftsmen. Democratic society produces large volumes of mediocre dabblers
>>222388567>pursuit of excellenceYour answer is of course a meaningless subjective one. You may as well have told everyone your favourite colour.
>>222388628You are desperately ignorant
>>222387704>99% of modern arts degrees have absolutely nothing to do with arts. It's all just commie and globohomo propaganda disguised as arts.Chuds are genuinely soulless people. Just a black pit of anger and anguish.
>>222388657You are desperately projecting
>>222388676It is true, however. A lot of art instructors bitch that everything is just vibes and ideology now and the actual rigorous technical instruction is nowhere near what it used to be, and people hiring artists can no longer trust somebody with an art degree from an art school to be a solid draftsman with good understanding of design principles and figure drawing and all the stuff you think of as "art school" content in the traditional stuff.
>>222388567>>222388657>Servile artsKys you worthless piece of shit. Your self-masturbation is meaningless.
I double majored in statistics and english because I had been given a scholarship that covered more than a single major would have and I figured why not get my moneys worth.There was nothing in the english degree that I couldn't have learned by passively watching a few lectures that are free online and reading more books in my spare time. And then there weren't any jobs in it anyways. Which I was warned about and expected, but still.It's absurd that the state subsidizes this and its even more absurd that people go into debt for it on its own
>>22238867620% of my English degree was required to be in areas that emphasized diversity and this was at a public university in a red state in 2014. I can't imagine how much worse it is now.
>>222388729>t. detritus management engineer
>>222387673Yes of course all that was missing was the 80iq localism. Seriously go find a patch of dirt to roll around looking for beets like you evolved to do through 50 generations of subhumans and forget about posting here. >inb4 i actually knew you were joking about the hatsYea sure go find a patch of dirt.
>>222387316You need to make the line go up thats your purpose in life
>>222387746Im sorry l, i know what a handicap it is to have retarded workdrone mules as direct relatives when you got your mindset. I bet linzi's background story speaks for you huh?
>>222391213Nok-Nok's way of life is for me.
>>222388763Why are you pretending you can't get self educated in math as well?
>>222387704Uncultured /pol/fags say stuff like that
>>222386973Wish we have art degrees here. But life here is like the fucking dark ages.
>>222386973Based>>222387316>>222387364>>222387552This is the sort of argument a low-IQ woman would make because she can't do STEM.
>>222391451I am doing a masters in STEM currenty and i make these arguments.I do not wanna live in a soulless world
>>222391451I got an expired MENSA card somewhere for what its worth regarding IQ.
>>222391489Trash take. Chinese soft power and cultural output far outweighs Germany, and it came from a talent pool of engineers. The fact is that no one will ever want to cross a bridge built by a poet but the best poetry usually comes from people with poetry degrees.
>>222391545without* poetry degrees
>>222391489>I do not wanna live in a soulless worldThen I suggest moving out of Germany kek
>>222391545You must live long enough in netherlands to know that if you try to talk about any cultural output other than a duck cho meing fast food joint you oust yourself as a chinaman right?
>>222391628The future is now, old man.
>>222391588Oh yea i totally want to live in china right now because of the cultural led lights over the skyscraper over this culturless shithole
>>222391654Please abstain from eating bat soup. Bad!
>>222391733Sorry, I think they have a cap on jeets and pakies. You'll be waiting quite a while lmao. Really though, I can't even imagine the cope necessary to defend the current state of europe.
>>222391748Please abstain from raping monitor lizards. Bad!
>>222391784Where are the led lights in the backgroud? Where is culture?
>>222391795>muh jeetsChinaman sneaky redirection. Where is my duck cho meing? Bring me my food already.
>>222391802saaaaaaaaaaar
>>222391828kek
>>222391857>sukdeep is mad lmao
>>222391849Ok? Anyways the conversation was much more interesting before you tried to impose bat soup culture. >>222391489 i restart thread from here
>>222391898>saar pls no more, do not redeeeem!!!Oh but I think I will.
>>222391950Ok? Anyways do you think that the mmorpg that you play and looks like baden wutemberg didnt require people with art degrees?
>>222391588Usually people who want to see a different country here go and fuck 20 year younger Thai women but thats not really my thing.Its my obligation to keep things soulful as it is everyones obligation.>>222391545Your post absolutely doesnt make any sense and the fact that you try to quantify art with metrics as soft power and cultural output is kind of what i mean by soullessness
>>222391996bihari benchod??
>>222392006I have no stake in your debate but I can't remember the last soulful thing Germany made. There was that show called Dark or something but it was so boring I fell asleep. Peak soulless slop.
Anyways chinaman rant and indians aside, i dont know if its personal bad luck or its like this everywhere but If i do a quick on the spot judgement on artistic promotion based on videogames made, the only countries that promote it are france and poland. In my country of origin its the prussian education system meant to make you a buck broken serf, i only recently will try my hand at art(and vydia making) ever since a few lessons in childhood after i got enough money for a couple of years and found a way to live under trees and near the beach on the cheap, retarded workdrone mule serf relatives didnt help at all on the matter either, so yea fuck genetic serf mentality, linzi speaks for me.
>>222392039I managed to sell a picture i painted with acrylics to a guy in America this year.Stop trying to autistically "measuring" cultural output as a country as a means to an end.It all starts with you as an individual
>>222392406I like Chinese art more than yours.
>>222392443And?
>>222392406Im in a dilemma where i want to make art but I want to NEET and contribute nothing just as much. Like i want to create a masterpiece and burn it to the ground so that genetic serfs wont be able to we wuz with it.
>>222392498In fact your art sucks dick.
>>222387316gigabases
>>222392575One duck cho meing please
>>222387316You dont need meme degree on Tranism and Pretentious Libslop Art
>>222392616
>>222392706You dont need to speak much. Just roll on the ground to look for rice or something.
>>222392772>You dont need to speak much.Imagine being this fucking ESL.
>>222387316art is just a past time hobby
>AI is more useful than arts and cultureThey really drank the economicism kool-aid and competition at all cost huh.>>222387316Should we cut ethnic courses from engineering programs next?
>>222387693How do you measure what's not useful to society? Employment rate and GDP?
>>222392896>They really drank the economicism kool-aid and competition at all cost huh.They probably saw what happened to America after it allowed courses like "Zombies in Popular Media" and "The Textual Appeal of Tupac Shakur" (real American courses btw) and decided they didn't want to go down that cursed road.
>>222392844Yes and?
>>222393176
>>222392927Evem better question what do i care about what is "useful to society" aka the opinion of some worthless subhuman that spiritually looks like this.
>>222386973>>222387316China is confusian outside pure legalism inside. Legalism is their true face. Always has been like that since Qin dynasty. That's why the more I read about China and its history the more I feel rancour and disgoust towards them.Besides, China's gay
>>222392997That argument was sound when the Chinese economy was growing, it is no longer valid.
>Americans are wasting their money on AI it’ll never make money or go anywhere>China does it>Yes yes yes! My Chinese overlords are going to win, glory to Xilmao @ you cucks
>>222392772Jeet reply
>>222393206I decided. I will try to make a videogame, nothing special/masterpiece/etc but good enough to make money and NEET from that point on, the goal after that is to not even lift a finger and take any good genes i may have to the grave with me. Not even my problem about what happens afterwards.
>>222393506
>>222393405>YlperteejThis is now your polish surname
>>222387704>>222391451>>222392706>>222392870Why are asians so soulles?
>>222393657Humboldt Model of Education did not reach Asia.
>>222393687To be fair, it's on the wane in europe too.
>>222393828I feel like in the west at least we are coping that education is not solely a tool for the labor market. Or at least there's a society beyond economics, but in Asia such an analogy falls flat, everything is a cost-benefit analysis now.
>>222393687Oh i really thought prussian education system is meant to buck break you into a serf. Well anyways.
>>222393889In any case no matter the model i think this holds true so whatever.
>>222393889Usually I'm not the kind of anon that just copy/pastes wikipedia articles, but>Sometimes called simply the Humboldtian model, it integrates the arts and sciences with research to achieve both comprehensive general learning and cultural knowledge.>Humboldt's educational model went beyond vocational training in Germany. In a letter to the Prussian king, he wrote:>There are undeniably certain kinds of knowledge that must be of a general nature and, more importantly, a certain cultivation of the mind and character that nobody can afford to be without. People obviously cannot be good craftworkers, merchants, soldiers or businessmen unless, regardless of their occupation, they are good, upstanding and – according to their condition – well-informed human beings and citizens. If this basis is laid through schooling, vocational skills are easily acquired later on, and a person is always free to move from one occupation to another, as so often happens in life
>>222394157Well as far as im concerned i learned to write and basic math and the rest was worthless hoop jumping amd waste of my time for the most part. Then again my country is legit the worst in the EU in just about everything.
>>222394350Not a UKan btw
>>222386973Not really suprised that China are the first who go full CATTLEMAXXING
>>222394157>>222394350To elaborate the teacher was some mystery meat neanderthal ape who went on and on about byzantium and orthodoxy and chimped out cause i could solve math faster than him, probably cause he thought of himself as a byzantine intellectual or something kek. Oh yea and the russian-pontiac diaspora kids started smoking at 8 years old. So yea take it with grain of salt.
Asians will be the first to bow down to the machine god
>>222386973>12k degrees Wtf?! How was that possible? How many fake careers can you create?PD: all careers are fake and gay.
>>222394810Neo-China arrives from the future.
>>222386973fucking basedif they had arts they would have been a more superior civilization With this, they have sunken their civilization into complete mediocrity Other countries can catch up nowIt would have been a disaster to leave the century of human progress to letzermensch civilizations like china and india
>>222395752Ah yes what will they do now without art degrees?China is finished
>>222387316Uneducated men:>the literal embodiment of chop wood carry water.>naturally knows everything and everyone is fake and gay.>values action and results more than intend and words. >wholesomely connected with the world through their senses rather than disconnected through thinking.Educated men:>Basically Nietzsche's last men.>Dominated by women, narcissists, and psychopaths in government and business.>Let's think some more about this problem.>Complains.
>>222395812We live in a world where science is god, bureaucracy is religionEverything is measured with performance indexesAnd the people cannot perceive the potential of thingsIn this era, there has been nothing important created since the last 80 years That is why they spout such nonsense, that art is useless, when in fact the most powerful tool ever created is art
>>222396004Are you wearing your MAGA hat? Whats the reaction?
>>222393828Looks like an absolute unit
>>222387316we will live in tiny cages and have a subscription fee for everything and we will cheer on the "progress" on our way to feudalism
>>222396034"No. The last 80 years gave us microchips, computers, the internet, GPS, MRI scanners, modern vaccines, satellite communications, the Moon landing, smartphones, artificial intelligence, large language models (LLMs), modern genetics, and private equity as a major mechanism for financing and restructuring businesses. These developments have profoundly changed how people communicate, work, travel, invest, and receive healthcare."
>>222386973china speedrunning into extinction is looking promising
>>222396058As a Liberal Arts enjoyer you can't pretend that there's something like The Truth because Foucault and Marx taught you that all is but a power struggle. Therefore Trump oppressing you is just as morally righteous as you defending Somali fraud.
>>2223960042nd gen migrants romanticizing their feral brethren is funny every time
>>222396215Man i asked a yes or no question relax. What about that duck cho meing?
>>222396101And yet if the world was questioned whether to completely remove these "advancements", a significant proportion of people would vote to destroy these technologies Are these forms of human progress? Is capital and technology your god, and your ruler?
>>222396249>>222396058>Are you wearing your MAGA hat?No, I don't support Trump because it takes literal Hitler to fix the damage the woke left has caused.
>>222396352You are the damage.
>>222396258Your argument boils down to: "Some people would vote against it, therefore it's not progress." That's a non sequitur. People have voted against virtually every major innovation in history. Popular opposition measures controversy, not whether something improved human life. If you think a technology isn't progress, demonstrate the harms outweigh the benefits instead of appealing to hypothetical voters.
China is a civilization more superior than the ancient Greece or roman empireChina can make carbon nanotubesWhile inferior medieval western civilization birthed Democracy (artsy loser shit lmao) and the Enlightenment (another artsy loser shit lmao)
>>222396402>>222396569There is no benefit in having you see my perspective You cannot perceive it, I see this as good, it is competitive advantage akin to the Chinese abandoning their art degreesI only care about my own community after all
