The Internet has made me realize how utterly fucking stupid the entire concept of national based identities is and it boggles my mind that it seemingly has had the opposite effect on 90% of normies.Everyday online I see people devolving into Balkan-tier chimps when it comes to nationalism and flinging shit at each other over it. How did it come to this? How can anyone live in the current world, fully exposed to billionaires worldwide all obviously working together and laughing at their "countrymen" peasants, and still cling on to flags and meme borders?"No Iranian ever called me Incel" isn't even a meme, it's deadset a profound observation. As an Australian gigavirgin, I have more in common with a Japanese Hikkomori than I do with any Chad or Stacey from my own country. The Incel Man Has No Nation.
>my nation is being exploited by neoliberal international capital and by extension I'm being exploited as a nu-slave and I have a device that lets me exchange messages digitally with the rest of the world really quickly therefore I have no nation and nations don't exist
>>222423038Maybe I forgot to add that I actually do have Croatian grandparents so I've always been vaguely aware of retarded lunatics committing genocide against their neighbors over perceived tribal allegiance.
>>222423097just kys dsygenic incel retardyour ancestors are frowning upon you
>>222423097>I and my nation are being exploited by neoliberal international capital and I have /int/ discussions on the internet where I pretend to be knowledgeable about the Balkans and there are rich people therefore I don't have a nation and nations don't exist, and nations are a schizophrenic apparition that you would only perceive if you're a lunatic
>my nation >my people>NOOO STACY AND CHAD IMPRISONED ME AND DESTROYED MY LIFE REEEEEAHAHAAHAHAHAHA
>>222422753we need a soviet union for international incels
>>222423292Lets put it this way: you, by virtue of being "American", will be judged and held responsible for the actions of your ruling class who you never interact with, obviously don't share the same values with, probably don't even perceive reality in the same way, etc. and at the same time you might find yourself in a scenario where you'll be killing or being killed by a guy who is actually the same as you in socioeconomic status, social life, hobbies, ideas, etc. but who just happens to be ruled by a different ruling class who psychos.
>>222422753very based. I too abandoned patriotism because of this.
>>222423411>you and your country are being exploited by neoliberal international capital therefore you aren't an American and you have no American heritage because Americans don't exist
>>222423038Fpbp, just because you have competitors inside your own country doesn't mean the rest of the world is not competing against you
>>222423491Okay monkey, I guess Aristotle was right in that some of us are actually born to be the servants of a ruler. I bet you'll be seething about your government giving your tax money to Israel in another thread, but in the next thread you'll immediately rally around the flag and defend your ruling class from any criticism levelled against it purely because someone will have a different flag
>>222423097you haven't been aware of a single thing in your worthless life
I wish I could kill everyone that's not Macedonian
Few people reach this level of enlightenment, but when you see it, you never go back
>>222424342It's always funny to see 'people' who are barely sapient talking about something like enlightenment. 'Enlightenment' for a creature like you would be actually using toilets.
>>222423263Bodied that freak
>>222424308>>222423263Uppity cousins from the old world forget that their country is objectively worse than Australia by every metric, you should be on your fucking knees with gratitude that I'm not a nationalist because if this was a nationalist shitflinging contest your glorified German Car Factory & Employee Residency Zone would not look better than my glorified Mining Operation.
>>222424342>enlightenmentno it's notit's a bogan retard realizing class consciousness for the first time in his life
>>222424400>Uppity cousins from the old world forget that their country is objectively worse than Australia by e-ACK! *gets raped and killed by shitjeets*
>>222424255>you and your country are being exploited by neoliberal international capital therefore you aren't an American and you have no American heritage because Americans don't exist>I bet you're seething about being exploited by neoliberal international capital >but you also rally around your flag to defend your neoliberal international capital class from criticism >because someone irrelevant and unrelated would have a different flag than the american flag>something something Aristotle would surely agree with me
>>222424465negrolands and croratia have more jeets than asstralia
>>222424847bad bait check flagchecks out
>>222424429>class consciousnessThirdies dont have a conscious, stop lumping me in with them
Never understood why NEETs want to affiliate with the hikkokomori and not the true muslim and african welfare queens.
>>222422753>The Incel Man Has No Nation.Chads and Stacies are their own nation.>"countrymen" peasants still cling on to flags and meme bordersLiterally every major religion from the past and current present denounce the dangers of idolatry, yet nobody pays attention to that when its "their" idolatry.Stay cool and safe, Aussiebro.
>>222427598>NEETs>hikkokomori those dont get any pussy>muslim>africanthose do, even w*ite gov officials help them (uk rape gangs for example)
>>222422753The Internet reassured me to at least try to do local politics. To at least try to give my son's, my grandchildren and future generations of unknown people that may come well after my death a better future that my father's and my grandpa's generation failed to provide to mine"A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they shall never sit", an universal proverb that crosses nationhood because it is a duty of the human spiritI mentioned the previous generations before mine, but I don't disregard their effort, you can see the same message in this 60's moviehttps://youtu.be/Y4uFfjZ3eHA
>>222423487Based and Common-sense-pilled.
>>222422753It's always been like this. Nationalism is slop for the plebs and an artifical construct like race or IQ.Class (historically, maybe less now) and wealth are all that have ever mattered. You either have or you don't have, the rest is noise.
Competition is rare and inefficient. Companies and organisms quickly specialize into niches where they can avoid competition and gain from cooperation. We view predators as the “apex” of biological hierarchy but their position is unsteady and they are numerically few compared to cooperative herbivores and omnivores, easily perishing when their ecosystems are disrupted. The same is true of nations and cultures. Collaboration is far more beneficial than competition in the long term and at large scales. And yeah, the hard boundaries between cultures are totally artificial. France basically deleted all its languages arbitrarily and invented a French identity, for example. Same with Italy, same with everybody really.
>>222433329Made up numbers on a computer screen sound like noise to me
>>222422753What language do you speak at home?
>>222433652Those numbers on a screen determine where you sit on the plane.You are right to an extent, but this is a poor persons mindset - they thing of wealth as an amount of money. It's not and never has been about the quantity of fiat currency you hold. A wealthy person is someone who has multiple diversified income streams which are resilent to external shocks. If you are doing this right, you generally are borrowing against these streams, not pooling capital in a savings account.Especially these days, you will never work/earn your way ahead of someone who has 3.2million USD in networth sitting in assets and living within the interest payouts. Their lifestyle will not look much different to a working person, but they and their children will never need to work or stress about work again. They will only grow further and further ahead of their working counterparts with time in the market. This is what wealth is - not being a slave to external factors like your job or the economy. Sadly (as many people are finding) if this is news to you in 2026 you have missed the window.
>>222433648>Competition is rare and inefficient.What? Competition is omnipresent. You can't have everyone lumping into one "cooperative" entity because of internal politics and infighting. Too many cooks in the kitchen, ambitious personalities cancelling each other out. It's better to form smaller competing groups, which cause each other to improve over time. Collaboration ought be kept at a reasonable and practical scale, leaving room for experimentation and improvement. On a large enough scale, competition is the true cooperation.
>>222422753My loyalty to the current regime is nonexistent because of my displeasure with the said, and I don't like any modern government, however in the case it wasn't so I would cling to my people, the state and have no issue with dying to preserve our order and way of life. Obviously I wouldn't rush to death, but it would be a possibility in my mind.We do not have justice, we do not have a just state, I do not like my elites, so I do not do what is expected of me. I like eastern meditation traditions a lot but I don't like some of their ideas, I only like the toolkits they provide to navitagating the mind, which is not present in the semitic babble called Christianity.
>>222422753typical black/white view. your arguments are based on rationale but your idea is utopian. if you'll rule the planet you will be killed during coup or become a dictator.
nigga it just so happens you are australian, its different in countries that have thousands of years of history
>>222433329Nah m8. We're all still monkeys. What matters is the reproductive success and propagation of your genes. This means your group over other groups. Nationalism is an abstract concept. Race and IQ are real and you're just coping. Imagine turkeys collaborating with coyotes lmfao. Genetic errors that are rightfully being eaten.
>>222422753>>222423487>>222433329Literally every significant leftist group in the west is advancing the interests of said billionares by being pro mass migration and multiculturalism.A fractured population of different ethnic groups and constant conflicts is exactly what the elites want.And unlike economics such a situation would be almost impossible to revert and would doom a country.Any political ideology that doesn't involve a stop to mass migration and deportations is playing into the elites hands and to get that nationalism and especially ethnic nationalism is usually what's required to gather support.Thinking that you can import the whole third world and then just eat the rich and everyone is happy is obviously retarded and delusional, but I know many leftists unironically believe that.
>>222422753You started sensible then devolved into terminally online gibberish.
>>222422753>the internet exists and billionaire pedophiles are in charge therefore there is no such thing as an ethnic groupriveting conclusion
>>222433329>>222438090Also obviously not everyone is the same, that should be pretty obvious if you look at different migrant cultures in western countries.Certain cultures are just worse and more primitive than others and I don't wanna share my country with them. You just have to look at the state of their origin countries or how would my country improve by importing people that make it more like Somalia or Afghanistan?
ITT>yes fellow goy, national identity bad>and race>IQ isn't a thing eitherDon't you have children to rape, Moshe?
>>222422753Nation is a made up globalist tool that was used in modern time to unite wide pre-modern identities inside established national borders.
>>222438374IQ is obviously real, but that just means a 130 IQ Durkadurka Iranian scientist is superior to some Bogan fella with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome hereAlso since you're Italian, you ought to know most Aussies see you as being in the same racial category as Arabs and Turks
>>222439590Yeah whatever you say Ezra. You're 50+ years too late for that "anglos think italians are practically nigs" thing.
Yeah, and people care about it so much. And they expect you to join in on their tribal bullshit and chant their stupid slogans with them. What a load of crap. None of this will exist a thousand years from now. I would rather call myself a world citizen or something, it's less cringe than subscribing to a nation state
>>222440133This
>>222424255>>222424400Look at how quickly you devolved to racist and nationalist insults. So much for "having no nation." Excellent bait.
>>222440581Diaspora are the worst. They constantly have some weird identity that's based around race and nationhood and polarize one way or the other when it's convenient
>nation>class>raceall bullshitthe only real conflict is autistics vs neurotypicals
>>222440672Unfortunately, that's very true...
