Can Australian anons explain their identity in their country? Do you see yourself as somewhat British, or Anglo-Saxon, or entirely distinct? Are Aboriginals considered Australian? Are migrants like Italians, Greeks, Lebanese, Chinese and Indians considered Australian? Is it true you consider Italians and Arabs as one same group?
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>>222438253How are you any different?
>>222438365I'm within my own culture, don't pretend my state a separate sovereign nation
>>222438425Its not your culture. You didnt create it. You're just copying it from other people sane as australians.
This place is hot garbage for any sincere answer as it's filled with zoomers, wogs larping and VPN using retards.Short answer is that Australian is a civic identity and isn't mutually exclusive with people's actual identity. We aren't mutted enough so many will identify themselves with where they came from not where they are. First fleet can have some claim but even as someone who's family was from the earliest days it's not a solo identity.Nobody gives a shit about aboriginal identity who knows the history of it given there are 400 tribes. They're about as Australian as the wildlife since they were just here when it happened and squatted here long before we came.And no, nobody really considers wogs and poojeets australian even as a civic identity
>>222438457>Australian is a civic identity and isn't mutually exclusive with people's actual identity. We aren't mutted enough so many will identify themselves with where they came from not where they are.do people often identify with the part of the country they're from? what's the urban/rural divide like? are people from queensland as aggressively gay as i've been lead to bleieve?
Australia is just a southern hemisphere version of Canada, which means they are America-lite with no real cultural identity of their own, and a few token reminders of nominally being part of the British Commonwealth. I lived there for a while and it is no different than Canada, other than they have funny accents, drive on the other side of the road, and obviously a different climate/geography (albeit with some similarities, given the vast expanses of uninhabitable nothingness). No meaningful differences culturally.
>>222438237I don't know how to answer most of that.I can say that white white Australians don't really buy into the "Anglo-Saxon" identity as part of a wider global Anglo Saxon culture thing (which seems to be some kind of new right-wing concept of english speakers in multi-ethnic countries). This is because we're actually mostly "British" because we have so much Irish and Scottish ancestry as well as English. If you're an old-family white person or an original white-trash descendant then you just know this, and some white person today talking about worldwide Anglo-Saxon culture is actually of American culture no matter what their accent is.Also I don't think people consider Italians and Arabs the same; almost every type of person who isn't Italian or Arab/Muslim thinks they're very different. However, they talk the same. For some reason Italians, Greeks, Turks, Lebanese, Syrians, Iraqis and every other kind of muslim talk in the same fucking accent. Christian Mediterraneans basically invented a kind of Australian accent in the mid-20th century and all learned how to talk from each other. But then when Muslims started migrating they apparently decided to talk the same as them. Because they also have similar skin and hair colours (although they're faces look different to me) and because they also all decided to dress basically the same, and because they talk the same: they are all Wogs.
>>222438237>somewhat British, or Anglo-Saxononly ethnic anglos would feel this way, others would only acknowledge historic influence (generally in a neutral sense) >Are Aboriginals considered Australianyes obviously, not even far right nazis would want to deport aboriginals or that type of thing. that being said they are extremely marginal due to low population percentage, the state tries to make up for this by including their flag everywhere, welcomes to country etc. absolutely nobody speaks aboriginal languages or has anything to do with them on more than a surface level. >Are migrants like Italians, Greeks, Lebanese, Chinese and Indians considered Australian? former 3 moreso than latter as their migration waves were earlier and they are less numerous. chinese have been here for ages but they are mostly associated with PRC these days which is considered a hostile state generally speaking. indians tend to annoy aussies more since they have really irritating habits, muslims are considered the worst among all migrant types. >Is it true you consider Italians and Arabs as one same group?not really, 'wog' here means southern europe and maybe levant these days. doubt anyone would consider saudis wogs, they would just be sandniggers.
>>222438237sexo girl
>>222438457>Short answer is that Australian is a civic identity and isn't mutually exclusive with people's actual identity.>And no, nobody really considers wogs and poojeets australian even as a civic identityYou're saying everyone is Australian since it's a civic identity and then you contradict yourself saying migrants aren't Australian not even in a civic sense. I don't understand
>>222438578>muslims are considered the worst among all migrant types.aren't most Lebanese migrants muslim though?
>>222438551>Also I don't think people consider Italians and Arabs the same; almost every type of person who isn't Italian or Arab/Muslim thinks they're very different.>Because they also have similar skin and hair colours (although they're faces look different to me) and because they also all decided to dress basically the same, and because they talk the same: they are all Wogs.You contradict yourself, you're saying they're very different and then you say they're the same.
>>222438825some are, many are christian
Always was, always will be Aborginal land
>>222438237There is a civic identity then another 'aussie' or anglo-celtic identity. Which is the same as being ethnically french or english or whatever. But part of that identity is not identifying as an ethnicity. Because having an ethnicity is something for foreigners.
>>222438237Australian, you dumb frog.
>>222438237The Paradox of Australian identity is that the most "Australian ONLY" and anti-British Aussies are gonna be the Aussies of British descent actually. Even British born, first generation Australians who were fresh off the boat were often the first anti-Monarchy, Republican activists here lol. The purest Anglo-Aussies are probably gonna be rural bogans who are slowly forgetting how to speak the English language and probably can't read. >Do you see yourself as somewhat British, or Anglo-Saxon, or entirely distinct?We use Anglo-Celtic instead of Anglo-Saxon, due to Irish immigrants always being a huge population in Australia and also Australians never cared about "mixing" between Catholic and Anglican as much, so basically all old stock Australians will have equal amounts of Anglican English or Catholic Irish ancestors anyway.>Are Aboriginals considered Australian?Yes, even conservative nationalistic guys like Bob Katter would say so. Anyone who says Abos aren't Aussies is a time traveler from like the fucking 1800s. That said plenty of rural blokes won't hesitate to talk shit about them being lazy and on welfare, "black fella job" is still synonymous for shitty quality/poorly done where I work.>Are migrants like Italians, Greeks, Lebanese, Chinese and Indians considered Australian?Italians, Greeks, and Lebanese? Nowadays yes, the "Aussies vs Wogs" memes are a relic of the 1980s/1990s and that's over 20+ years ago now, times have changed and especially due to the arrival of newer and even more foreign immigrant groups. Chinese also yeah because they've been around since the 1800s as well, some people worry about Chinese spies and shit but also acknowledge that there's way too many multi-generational Asian Aussies for you to deny their Australianness. Indians are a newer thing and people are more hostile to them yeah>Is it true you consider Italians and Arabs as one same group?well obviously, they all look the same and they all play Wogball and shit
>>222438253>s and listening to american country musicDangerously accurate for rural Australia actually. I worked as a Ringer in the Roma/St George area and people were playing shit like Ride the Lighting, Bar Song, Choosin' Texas, etc... all the fucking time>>222438457wogs are absolutely Australian nowadays mate, you'd be fucked in Melbourne if you didn't see them as such. Yeah they were exotic like in my dad's childhood but now we got cunts named shit like "Elordi" representing Australia abroad
>>222438551The Anglo identity stuff isn't new, it's actually old asf and the right wingers who cling on to it are the relics of a bygone age as opposed to a new fad. Obviously this shit was at its peak when the Empire was actually still a thing and Australia was seen as a "bastion of white civilisation" in a different hemisphere. Even fellas with Irish blood, like John Curtin, would perform the whole raarraaa about Captain Cook and the First Fleet making a foothold of British civilisation in the southern hemisphere.Obviously that died out after WWII when the British Empire got wrecked in Singapore and Malaysia and we realized we needed more people to populate this country so we brought over all the Yugoslavs, Greeks, Italians, and abolished White Australia. The decline of the "Australian Cultural Cringe" and rising pride in Australia also coincides with this, as younger Aussies obviously feel way more confident about us being better than the UK and US thanks to modern metrics like HDI, low crime rates, general happiness etc.. whereas old fellas still thought of Australia as some wild convict frontier and the UK as being where "real culture" is from.
>>222438237For ethnic Australians they're either nationalist republicans or traditionalist monarchist. The latter won't call themselves British but consider it the motherland, the former rejects it. That's a simplification though.None of those groups consider themselves Australian in an ethnic sense, and Australians consider them separate as well. However there are people who are pretty much Australian but still won't be considered as such. Everyone pretends or promotes Australian as some civic identity you can join but that's not the reality as even those completely integrated are still not considered Australian.
>>222438237Same as Canada
>>222440230desu it's really funny ever republican nationalist I know is a white fella called some shit like Lachlan Harrington or Andrew Murdoch but the only 2 openly monarchist people I know are "tradcath" dudes I met in Uni with a Polish and a Portuguese name
>>222439817>rural bogans who are slowly forgetting how to speak the English languagewhat are they speaking then
>>222438237>Do you see yourself as somewhat British, or Anglo-Saxon, or entirely distinct? I am firstly Australian but after that I am (admittedly mutty) ethnicity but if I had to say I'd probably go with Irish. But frankly it's been like 150 years since my ancestors got here, I don't think I'd really call myself anything other than Australian unless you asked for my ethnicity. >Are Aboriginals considered Australian? In a weird way sure. They don't belong to the identity of Australian like how most people would describe themselves as. They are basically their own thing entirely and are only Australian by the technicality that they live here and they don't belong to the civic identity in the same way I might.>Are migrants like Italians, Greeks, Lebanese, Chinese and Indians considered Australian? Italians and Greeks sure. The others, no. I don't really think most people would call non-whites Australian in the same way we might for white people. I've met Lebs before but they feel foreign to me.>Is it true you consider Italians and Arabs as one same group?I live in Adelaide so I've never really met Arabs before so I'd say no. In my brief time in Melbourne I can tell you they act absolutely nothing like Italians or Greeks from SA.
>>222438237>Do you see yourself as somewhat British, or Anglo-Saxon, or entirely distinct?There is basically an Australian ethnicity that we don't call Australian but instead call Anglo-Celtic and it's a mixture of all the groups that settled here from the British Isles. That includes the Irish, so it's more than just British in the modern sense or Anglo-Saxon. There is also a complicated relationship between these people and Britain. There are different groups of arrivals who came here for different reasons, all with varying degrees of affinity for Britain ranging from loyal British settlers to convicts and political exiles. The Irish in particular have a difficult relationship with Britain. All of these groups, their backgrounds and their opinions shape modern Anglo-Celtic relations with Britain and any idea of a British identity. Opinions range from strong affinity and ongoing blood ties to resentment and desires for a clean new identity purged of any British traces. You get both extremes in this group.The reluctance to talk about or acknowledge an Australian ethnicity is a shame. There is a unique story and history that is being missed and it does make Australian identity confusing to outsiders. >Are Aboriginals considered Australian?Yes, as they're native to the land. But I feel many are likely to identity as Aboriginal only, Aboriginal first or with their tribe. No one disputes that they belong here. Aboriginals and Anglo-Celtic Australians are the two foundational groups in the country. Australia's creation came about from the clash between Aboriginals and Anglo-Celtic settlers and convicts who arrived on this continent. >Are migrants like Italians, Greeks, Lebanese, Chinese and Indians considered Australian?Yes, but sort of as 2nd rate Australians. Sometimes this is acknowledged openly and sometimes it is subconscious.
>>222439968>so we brought over all the Yugoslavs, Greeks, Italians, and abolished White Australia.These people are not white in Australia?
>>222442891Official policy up until after WW2 was to keep Australia as British as possible. Other Europeans could come but they were capped. British migrants were subsidised. As they tried to keep growing the population they started allowing more Europeans, but with preference for Northern Europeans who would blend into the British majority. Only after WW2 with a fear of future Japanese or Asian invasion were all Europeans allowed to freely migrate.
>>222438237Originally the Brits came in droves through fleets from the 1800s-1950s. Most of the cities were built with their future in mind and especially developed WA and NSW from scratch.The aftermath of WW2 saw lots of Europeans leave for better working opportunities to this new frontier, settling as "aliens" in WA or NSW, while some opted to go to VIC with nothing to their names. They fared well despite the discrimination, doing lots of trades and creating iconic streets, restaurants, etc. The problem is as chinese whispers, Italians had links to Greeks, Greeks had links to Lebanese, etc. I think it was bad timing when this happened since aviation was just around the corner, letting much of the world start their lives in this growing frontier, turning the country into the divided state it's in now with no universal culture. All the stereotypical Bruce, Vegemite, etc jokes stem from stereotypes of the first few fleets, but the reality is less and less of the country wishes to preserve its history and more people wish to raise their international families here, making it a clusterfuck of cultures that struggle to coexist. African youth gangs fighting each other and mugging houses in any and every suburb, Lebanese gangs gunning down wogs, British-descended deadbeats stabbing Chinese tourists, Cronulla, Bondi. People are fighting for nothing really. Even our national anthem is a joke that nobody asked for. My foreign neighbours have a house here but spend more than half the year in their country anyway. As gross as it sounds, it's unironically a strategy I'm considering too. At least non-English speaking countries are predominantly full of one race and culture a majority abides by, but working remotely with the benefit of Australian pay is what this country deserves the way things are playing out.
>>222443325It doesn't really answer my question
>>222443746>Even our national anthem is a joke that nobody asked for.I thought you didn't have one. I always heard about Waltzing Matilda being the unofficial anthem
>>222439860>wogs are absolutely Australian nowadays mate>t.
>>222445930https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTaw6oQmRdMBut with all the verses that reference Britain removed.
>>222447988I understand why you want to distance yourself from Britain but it's also kind of petty honestly
>>222439817>well obviously, they all look the same and they all play Wogball and shitHonestly at least in Sydney now Lebos are more interested in rugby league than anything as opposed to greeks and italians who are much more attached to soccer
