We don't, vuĉiĉ is buddy with BB.
Aside from that we don't know nor care about Serbia outside of football games.

>>222458904
no one hates serbia?

>>222458904
Albanian diaspora is powerful

>>222458938
>>222458944
well ive seen a lot of threads where people are hating on them, i know a lot of people from serbia and they are all nice, so is the country

>>222459015
>people

Diasparoid albaboons and other relatives of dumb inbred monkeys we killed in the 90s are not people.

>>222458904
kod nas u poljskoj retko mislimo o srbiji ali ako pitas o neki negativan stereotip mislim da bi to bilo nesto tako da se smatra "malom rusijom" zato sto je vecina srba rusofilska i da srbi nekako glume ruse

ne bih reko da je to cista mrznja ali naravno nije takodje ljubav

>>222459971
ja vidim neke stvari koje rusija radi korektno, dok druge ne. Ali Srbija nema nikakve veze sa Rusijom, Srbija pokusava biti neutralna bar eto koliko ja vidim a to nekima smeta.

>>222458904
sto ti radish sutra?

>>222458904
no serbgf

>>222460767
>Ali Srbija nema nikakve veze sa Rusijom,
to sto stvarno nema je jedno ali to sto je uprkos tome glumi je drugo

>>222458904
I don't hate serbia. I just don't respect the balkans in general

I like them

only in online, irl i met some novi pazarian in Istanbul and they was cool

>>222461267
people from Novi Pazar largely consider themselves Bosnjaks, not Serbs (which is kinda ridiculous since this area was never part of Bosnia and all their Bosnianism is very recent and it is just being Muslim but well, that's just Yugoslav things for you).

Just imagine a Muslim Indian calling himself "Arab" just to make himself different from his Hindu neighbor.

>>222458938
>We don't, vuĉiĉ is buddy with BB
bruh... if only you knew what the overwhelmingly vast majority of young Serbs think of that irl.

Vucic and kike oligarch Djuric single handedly implanted nooooticer culture in Serbia where antisemitism never even previously existed lol, that's mighty impressive

>>222458904
>tf
>tp

>>222458904
they're nice people for the most part. their culture is too materialistic though

If you told any American anything about Serbia they would confuse it why Siberia and Syria, while not being able to put any of them on a map.

>>222461358
they have weak national identy,
look at the Albanians they divided to 4 religion
sunni muslim
bektashi muslim
orthodox
catholic
but they all identify themselves as Albanian
be like albos o algo

>>222458904
I like Serbia and Serbians though. The only balkanoids I dislike are Albanians

>>222458904
We don't, Serbia is our greatest creation and we are proud of our sons.

>>222460827
nista brt idem na bazen vruce je, ti?
>>222460834
come and find one
>>222460843
ne razumjem bas taj drugi dio sta rece
>>222461204
why?
>>222461223
>>222461267
>>222461484
>>222461949
>>222462215
fren
>>222461541
lol

>>222461382
>if only you knew what the overwhelmingly vast majority of young Serbs think of that irl.
And for that they deserve everything coming their way

>>222462242
>why?
Why would I?

>>222462242
I want to travel to Bosnia, can I have a laugh with the locals or will they beat me up for being English?

>>222462445
both serbia and bosnia is cery friendly, you would enjoy it fren
>>222462796
serbs are not evil, i dont think jews are either

>>222462247
Weak bait, not worth seething at desu... you're entitled to be a gullible goylet all you like
>>222462796
How's the jannie job working out for you, Shaqiri?

>>222458904
My mom best friend was a croatian-slovenian mutt who really hated serbs, she passed that hate to my mom who passed it to me. I do like both serbs and croatians (irl experiences), and i find it sad that they went to war because they're pretty much the same except religion. Don't know much about bosnians sorry.

>>222463399
We sent you all the way to US hahahahahahahaha

>>222463447
dumb slav rapebaby, I am not albanian. just an educated hater.

Got a book about srebencia when I was in secondary. Most fucked up shit I've ever seen. I don't hate Serbians persay because the son isn't responsible for the sins of the father etc. And everything was done by Bosnian serb militias but, still

>>222458904
No one actually hates Serbs. Does anyone "hate" bacteria? No, of course not.

>>222463399
its always those that do evil are themselves evil, how many times did america commit a warcrime in the past 10 minutes? Span it over a decade and you have a satan
>>222463487
americans dont have education, i thought this well known by now

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Do Serbs like Poles?

>>222463504
And have you read about the preceding murders of approx. 2k Serbs in the same area by Bosniak forces, or the pent up anger of the WW2 era Ustashe genocide going unavenged and Serbs being forced to forget about it and live in supposed "brotherhood and unity" with their butchers from five minutes ago? I don't even have family in Bosnia or Croatia going back to the middle ages, I straight up could not care less from a personal perspective about the Ustashe or Tudjman or Alija or whatever.... but it's still good to have an objective picture. Saying that the murder of supposedly 8k Muslims is the most fucked up thing you've ever seen while deliberately failing the mention the murder of literally a hundred times more people by the Ustashe in the same area is just laughable.

>>222463579
Right wing Serbs see Poland as a shining beacon of how decommunisation is done on a societal level and how you deal with immigrants etc, left wing Yugoboomers are still to this day seething at Lech Walensa and calling Solidarnosc the army of... whatever the communist version of the Antichrist is.

>>222463607
>the army of...
American Imperialism?

>>222463571
behind every american president and politician is a jew. i’m not saying we are not guilty, but their influence is corrupting us.

>>222463607
Tbh I'm surprised. I thought you're team Russia so you'd seethe at us for our support for Ukraine, pushing sanctions in the EU and the so-called "russophobia"

>>222463694
I'm talking about actual ideological thinking beings and not droolers who base their views on foreign politics exclusively. Those might even be the majority of the population yeah, but they are unironically even less intelligent and more dysgenic than football hooligans. Mostly older people think that way, but they have their match in zogged millennialfags who are on "team Brussels" and look at literally everything from that lens. Thankfully that second group is not too big, it's just the first one that is a major problem. Yugoboomers are intentionally self destructive, they are on the level of Aussie boomers if not worse.

>>222463732
>Yugoboomers are intentionally self destructive, they are on the level of Aussie boomers if not worse
It's the same everywhere imo. Boomers still think problems are the same as when they were young, and can't relate to younger generations problems.

>>222463732
Why didn't Serbia join the Three Sees Initiative?

>>222463579
i do not like the picrel
>>222463632
but dont people in america have some freedom to vote or idk assasinate bad presidents what do you have all those weapons for. If you get a parasite get rid of him
>>222463726
bruh

>>222463886
>i do not like the picrel
Rude

>>222463917
is that you?

>>222463929
Yeah

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>>222463694
You make the mistake that we think like you. Serbs don't hate any of you because you're not buddies with Russia.You misinterpret us and project how Poles view the world onto us.

>>222463504
You're an idiot, lol. The other guy is being far too nice.

The only Serbians I've talked to thus far were insufferable. Send me one that isn't and I might change my mind.

Their victim complex is also annoying. I'd be willing to overlook it if I knew a Serbian I actually liked though.

Why would I hate Serbs? Good food, warm friendly manners, you can drink with them. Serbs are frens.
>bbbut muh ottoman and they’re infedels
Who the fuck cares

>>222464085
I think it's because everyone says you're mini-Russia so since we don't know much about me personally I used to assume that the enotions that exist in Russia are reflected in Serbia. But hey this is what /int/ is for, I'm learning new things today.

>>222464131
i forgot you guys existed. you guys are subhuman as well. i think i’ll put you between the serbs and indians.

Can you guys describe to me how Croats and Serbs are differrent? I know the first are catholic and the others are orthodox, but I'd be interested in a more detailed look. I don't know much about the balkans. Never met anyone from either country.

Borko is a serb and I like him

>>222464619
idk man we speak same lang, eat same food, drown in same pussy i guess we were taught by parents to hate eachother
>>222464617
nationalism exists i guess but dont know where you get the brown stuff, maybe lack of observation
>>222464529
least racist american poster kek
>>222464131
trvke

>>222458904

A lot of globohomo r/europe brainwashing on /int/

>>222464710
I forgor about Bosnians. Who are bosnians even?

>>222462242
im scared of talking to women

>>222464783
just serbs but pretending to be different like everyone else desu
>>222464800
how can you be scared to talk to someone

>>222463581
>>222464107
We got the book from school and they took us on a trip to teach us about it. Op asked why people don't like Serbs iyc and that's basically why

>>222465086
where did you take you to trip?

>>222465102
The back of the library near some graveyard

>>222465300
that seems hardly educational

I work with a Serbian engineer and he is awesome. This is the extent of my knowledge of Serbs.

>>222463732
Redpill me on Aussie serb boomers. I'm only ever around greeks

>>222464619
>Croats and Serbs are differren
They're not. There's a thin idealogical lense separating them and a few nationalists that bark a lot. But they're the same people. Serbia and Croatia were mostly just separated along imperial lines in modern times and it lead to a lot of division. But they're both stubborn enough to maintain most of their genetic and traditional habits, majority of them being the same.

>>222464619
It's impossible to answer this question honestly because Croats are more diverse than any other South Slavic group culturally and linguistically. We are the only ones that were separated by 3-4 different countries/ empires for centuries while all Serbs were just under Turks before some migrated out, most Slovenes were under Austrians and so on. When you spend so much time under different cultures and different dominant linguistic groups it creates noticeable differences between the same ethnic group alone.
If you're comparing a a Herzegovinian Croat to Serbs, or a modern Croat from Lika or from some part of Slavonia (East Croatia) to Croatian Serbs then yes they're culturally very similar and they speak the same language meme because they were already living side by side for longer than a century.
For the rest of Croatia Serbs are as or even more alien than Hungarians, the main reason we're closer to Serbs than to a people we spent 900 years in the same country is
>Serbs and Croats use a variety of the same standard language created in the 19. century that was widespread by the 20.
>Hungarians don't speak a Slavic language
>A lot of Serbs migrated to parts of Croatia in the middle ages
I'll keep getting triggered by these posts because Croats can't even identify some Croatian dialects as Croatian, rarely even confusing them with West Slavic languages but apparently we're the same thing as Serbs because we speak the same language??

>>222465086
We did worse than Srebrenica but Srebrenica was blown up as a case because NATO needed a clear excuse to intervene officially. Srebrenica was rather mild in general. It was a POW execution and Bosniak government used them as diplomatic bargaining chip. They intentionally provoked such a response, and no people are above such crimes. When war happens and people see their countrymen and soldiers die, majority resort to barbarity, and people forget the conventions. And officers cannot stop this in a real war, because they will get fragged.
You're a victim of very cheap propaganda. And notice how I said we did worse, so this is not an apology post on my part. Civilization selects for such weak and clueless people.
>>222464156
>I think it's because everyone says you're mini-Russia
"Mini-Russia" of Serbia does not recognize Crimea, "Mini-Russia" of Serbia did not barge into Prague in 1968, did not invade Hungary, "Mini-Russia" of Serbia was never a Russian puppet state, "Mini-Russia" of Serbia was simply never victim of Russian aggression directly, and this is why "Mini-Russia" socially loves it but all leaders knew that this philia cannot be a leading factor, and it really never was. In the 1990s, in the peak of our retardation, Russians were universally against us, to a large extent, only getting angry in 1999 when US did not even care what they had to say about implementing order in the Balkans and went on a bombing run without consulting Moscow.

>>222464619
>Can you guys describe to me how Croats and Serbs are differrent
Genetically, the differences are regional rather than ethnic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Serbs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Croats
Some of our regions in the past were depopulated by Ottoman reprisals and were settled with genetic material from Montenegro and areas around, which lead to a higher native Balkan admixture (E1b, I2a1 is not native Balkan), but genetically we are rather close people, and as I said, the difference is regional.
Croats were historically governed by western civilizations, and Serbs were under the eastern system, that is, Byzantine and Turkish, the latter of which led to the fact that Serbian elites went out and got replaced by Slavic muslim elites which we kicked out - Serbia, when it regained independence, was a peasant country. The same process did not happen to Croatia. Thus, Croatian development was never sp forcibly kept down as was ours. This has led to big differences in mentality (Serbs value an independent state and fight against the tyrants above and else, and to us, foreign rulership is inherently tyrannical and we don't understand other people, and us, being freedom fighters see ourselves as inherently benevolent and as liberators), more primitive lower class (peasants are peasants), however, I'd say that Croats are equally barbaric people.
The hatred did not always exist, but arose because of 19th century Austrohungarian propaganda, because they saw us as a huge threat since we were carriers of pan-Slavism (ironically even you did because we were revolutionary anti-monarchists, remember, you went into Hungary to subdue them, we had to change flag because of you), but later when we took over Croatia under Yugoslavia it arose because of our mistreatment of them. As I said, Serbs grew under the bad system and it seeped into our nature and culture, and Kingdom of Yugoslavia leadership was a degradation to them.

>>222469718
This was already biased enough, but I am going to be even more biased, I'd say that Serbs have a character above our collective size, we have more energy as people, but we badly misuse it. Serbs, despite spending so long under the eastern system, managed to give good scientists to the world - Tesla, Milankovic, Pupin, Kostovic, carried pan-Yugoslavism (originally Croatian elite idea), were the driving force behind the "liberation" (as I said, they do not see it as liberation and we are unable to concieve that, they were not really liberated, but were put in the Yugoslav system, that is ours, and monarchy was predominantly Serb influenced).
Serbia, regardless was not so bleak as my picture paints it, and there was a trend upwards, until the arrival of communism, and after so many shocks we endured, it was the biggest one (communism is inherently a shock to the old world order, so I am saying nothing untrue), it killed our elites, replaced them with the new "elites" (communist yes-men, many peasants), it again launched a knife into our already short tradition of continuity of leadership, and now, we as you are governed by quasi-"nationalists", in our case representing some mishmash of criminality, rurality, the rulership and their supporters are some sort of a great primitive peasant oligarchy, and in my opinion we are at our lowest since the arrival to the Balkans, and the opposition to this is a low testostorone student movement that wasted our admittedly large energy.
You've got a crash course. Serbs would hate me for some of my posts, but considering how much of a romantic praise there is here, I'd rather try to draw a wrong realistic representation than a romantic one. We have many faults, but a big potential, I am firmly convinced in it, however, I despise the vulgar mass majority has become and I do not think we will realise it in a good way. One thing Balkan people have in common is that they are romantic liars and neighboursare no more thruthful.

>>222469718
>>222469950
To end, what I wrote is somewhat historical and somewhat not, in terms of leadership, we are inferior, but there is a large cultural unformity between Croatia, Bosnia and Yugoslavia, and the differences among common people have never been lower, but they still exist, namely in the fact that we are governed by scum and that scum has built up a very networked circle of their supporters, using them as goons against other people, and really something that does not exist in many other countries.
We listen to each other's songs and our standardized languages are very similiar. I would not call them just dialects of one because each language has it's own dialects and just because they are nearly identical does not make them dialects, because there's dialects inside one language that do not understand one another. Many geographic and linguistic divisions are purely political and you cannot simply remove it because it's "arbitrary".

>>222458904
nobody does this

>>222458904
I don't. I get along with them well and very much prefer Serbs to Croats.
When it comes to history Serbia was wrong when they stole Vardar Macedonia from Bulgaria in 1913 and wrong when they annexed Montenegro in 1918, but they were the only country with jus ad bellum in the '90s even if their jus in bello was generally worse.

>>222461382
Zionism once again fostered antisemitism. Zionists are the biggest enemies of the Jews.

I find it funny when they larp as firsties or as a white but I don’t hate them

>>222458904
Hungarians hate them because France gave them our land. As for Americans, they probably hate because they bit the hand which fed them.

>>222473258
>I find it funny when they larp as firsties or as a white
Most don't, it's more popular among other wannabe westerners.
>>222473377
We treat Hungarians way, way better than you ever treated us.

>>222458904
hate is a strong word, i don't care about them and about you for that matter at all

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Why didn't Serbia join the three seas initiative

>>222474270
Because we are not in the EU and NATO.

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>>222468738
Lol what? Parts of Croatia were under Ottomans for centuries, and Serbia had about the same % of territory that was under Austrians instead (Vojvodina).

Almost all of Croatia is genetically closer to Serbs than to Hungarians and Austrians except for a very small minority near northern Slovenian borders in Croatia (that's less than 5% of the population) that's genetically closer to Austrians than to other Croats.

This becomes even more pronounced if you compare Dalmatian Croats or Herzegovinian Croats to Serbs from Central Serbia and Montenegro and Republika Srpska, or Slavonian Croats to Serbs in Vojvodina. Both have about the same % of Germanic admixture and both have lived around a significant amount of Hungarians and South Germans for centuries (although Croats were under ottomans for shorter, 150 years is still a lot)

Genetically, Croats cluster with Serbs and Bosniaks (other "South Slavs" like Bulgarians and Macedonians are much further apart) which makes sense since they lived in the same exact territories since they invaded the Balkans as 2 close tribes, in the 8th century. In Slavonia, North-Western Croatia, and Vojvodina in Serbia, there was a lot of mixing between Serbs, Croats, Hungarians and South Germans for centuries as well.

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>>222468738
And Croats are not the most diverse South Slavic group, Serbs are due to the amount of paleo-balkan admixture in Southern Serbia, along with what's found in Croatia too - admixture with Hungarians and Southern Germans in Vojvodina.

Serbia was also split between an equal amount of empires if you count Montenegro as part of it. The only difference is that parts of Southern Serbia were under the Ottomans for longer than Croatian territories.

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>>222461601
>bektashi muslim
>islamic sect followed only by albanians
imagine all the nepotism and crime

>>222467787
>a few nationalists that bark a lot
Lol, you mean the vast majority of the population in both countries besides an inkling of delusional yugoy-boomers...
Are we still doing this psych ward communist LARP where nationalists are somehow a seething tiny minority while in reality any political options in either country that is not explicitly pro nationalist is immediately dead in the water?

In Serbia the only quasi leftist party that exists can't even pass the census without a wide coalition with neoliberals. That's just the reality of the situation, everything else is a flat out lie Titoists repeat 100000 times wishing that would make it true.

>>222469718
ironically even you did because we were revolutionary anti-monarchists, remember, you went into Hungary to subdue them
No bro, it was the Serbs that fought against Hungary primarily. Serbs, Romanians, Slovaks and eventually Russian interventionists because all of the above were too incompetent even with Austrian help.

>>222472982
>Serbia was wrong when they stole Vardar Macedonia from Bulgaria in 1913 and wrong when they annexed Montenegro in 1918
By what standard? There were many Serb identifying tribes in Monkeydonia at the time, namely Mijaks and Brsjaks who controlled all of Western Monkeydonia (I descend from Mijaks myself, as did most of our pre communism financial, landed and industrial elite, hence the impetus to integrate their homeland).

The split of Monkeydonia post first Balkan War was just, but after Bumgays chimped out in the second we all collectively decided to punish them further to prevent another bout of revanchism hence why every participant took another chunk out, even Turkey.

I don't understand why annexing Montenegro was wrong by any moral standard, however.

>>222475042
The majority of Vardar Macedonia was ethnic Bulgarian, and Serbia had agreed in a treaty with Bulgaria before the First Balkan War that the land belonged to Bulgaria. When Austria-Hungary took Albania, Serbia reneged on the treaty and held onto ethnic Bulgarian Vardar Macedonia.

>>222474962
"Nationalism" in Balkans is village-tier baboon patriotism of monkeys, it's effectively somewhat more civil (not always) upgrade of football hooliganism.

>>222475088
>The majority of Vardar Macedonia was ethnic Bulgarian
nuh uh, chuddie. Monkeydonians were, and still are, semi feudal peasants who don't care about nationalism. They gladly agitated for whatever cuntree their local priest told them to, hence why the battle for the hearts of Monkeydonians between Serbia and Bumgayria was waged largely by opening Church led schools on both sides. At one point we were opening more school there than in our own cunt.

>>222475240
Be that as it may, practically everyone here is philosophically nationalist, pro capitalist and anti Yugoslavist. Young people even more so than the elderly in my view - just look at what SStudent proteSStSS have turned into since the 15th of March last year lmao. There's this cope spread by Broz-worshippers that this is somehow not the case and nationalists are only a vocal minority - statistics and the actual political situation on the field blasts that notion to smithereens right away.
You don't have to be a CZV hooligan baboon to be a nationalist, and if anything the most vocal chimps are likely descendants of communists who just put on a new coat of paint to remain politically relevant. I'm talking about passive nationalist values and anticommunist worldview, primarily.

>>222475247
That doesn't change the fact that they are genetically closer to Bulgarians and even Albanians than to Serbs (and other ex-Yu).

>>222475247
>nuh uh, chuddie.
Yah huh per period censuses.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Macedonia#Ottoman_statistics

>>222475416
You're not wrong, don't listen to that guy. But, ultimately, nations do what's best for their own self-interest. Western meddling in the Balkans was wrong and created more problems than it ever solved. You need to let regional powers fight it out on their own with no external great power influence else you end up with such situations.

>>222475335
Real values are love of wisdom, virtue, love of sports (we have this at least), veneration of the spiritual values (nonexistant aside from it's historical impact on culture we still cosmetically have), hatred of corruption, empathy and love for war and both obligations and rights.
We are so far from it (granted, everyone is) we need to start copying ancient Rome and Greece, and building the society up again. We have only degraded in the last 2000 years.
"Nationalism" here is about not signing a paper that formally recognises Kosovo, beating the chest to mark the territory like monkeys do and holding the flag which is now a rag of an economic zone. It exists, but it is completely misdirected and more harmful than not, and this great nationalism has led to the fact that our war efforts were led by Arkan, Milosevic and such bandits, that if the next war happens we will serve with 50 year old gear because government has spent everything on cosmetic propaganda and have women and children leave while men die on the battlefield because the supreme monkey said so after they spat on this country and every normal value for the last 80 years. We already see this in the Ukraine and the Russia.

>>222475416
Western meddling should only have happened when there was Eastern meddling (Russian, Ottoman), otherwise regional wars should have not been meddled in.

>>222475472
>You need to let regional powers fight it out on their own with no external great power influence else you end up with such situations.
No, they should have solved the situation in Kosovo, made both sides slightly pissed but somewhat content and have NATO blue fly over the entire southern Europe like Kissinger wanted, instead they bombed the shit out of us while not extending the hand to the defeated people and thus ensured the bitterness and thousands of soldiers necessary here with a ticking time bomb.
No normal power would let a full scale war run in the Balkans free for all style without involvement.

>>222475472
>>222475523
I didn't advocate for western meddling, though. In fact I said Serbia had jus ad bellum in the '90s. Our support for Croatia makes me sick.
The west didn't even meddle on behalf of Bulgaria; there was strong pro-Bulgarian sentiment in the U.S. before and after WWI but we didn't actually do anything.

>>222475575
>No normal power would let a full scale war run in the Balkans free for all style without involvement.

This exact environment is why Western Europe managed to end up in a relatively peaceful environment after thousands of years of brutal wars.

China is now almost entirely Han Chinese because there was no one meddling in it. Because groups were allowed to wage war against each other and eliminate diversity through that way. Because aggression and wars created homogeneity.

If you intervene in all wars in a region for centuries, then it's just a constant tug of war that never gets solved or results in anything meaningful that can actually stop all wars, you just inevitably delay and prolong it.

>>222464619
Croatia and Serbia are diametrically opposed in everything. Only the language is similar.

>>222475681
>just watch a region disrupt stability, trade and a greater unity so you can let lesser civilized people exterminate each other to oblivion
This kind of thinking has never existed, we are not some overseas territory, we are in Europe.

>>222475654
I know, I'm just saying that the meddling after the first balkan war (which the west did not fight in, in any way) caused Serbia to do that to Bulgaria. Was it wrong? Yes. But it's ultimately a nation acting in its own best interest, as Macedonia was prior to Ottomans a part of the Serbian Empire. If the west didn't decide the results of the First Balkan War, then there wouldn't have been a need for it. But otherwise, Serbia would have gained nothing from the First Balkan War besides kicking the Turks out, whereas Bulgaria would've. Serbia simply fought to gain new territory from it, as did Bulgaria.

>>222475575
Real talk I don't see why giving Leposavić, Zubin Potok, and Zvečan municipalities back to Serbia and calling it a day wouldn't work. Also don't see why Kosovo would want to hold onto those municipalities or why Serbia would want to hold on to the rest of Kosovo.

>>222475773
Ah you were referring to Austria-Hungary getting Albania. My mistake.

>>222475764
You seem to be missing my points. Only brutal wars can lead to homogeneity, and only homogeneity can lead to peace due to a new identity and homogeneity. Modern day Germany was a bunch of Germanic tribes having brutal wars for a thousand years. Similar applies to France, Italy, Spain and even Scandinavia. If there is constant meddling from foreign great powers (who never assimilate you in their own), then you simply ensure there is always diversity and wars, you just delay and perpetuate the inevitable wars).

This is made even worse when western powers try to draw borders for other countries, like you can see in Africa, but also in the Balkans. Yugo wars were nothing special if you compare it to the pre-WW2 wars in Western Europe.

>>222475924
>Similar applies to France, Italy, Spain and even Scandinavia
Also to Russia.

>>222475918
No. Albania was under Austrians for roughly 2 years, mostly while WW1 was ongoing.

I meant that after the First Balkan War, the Western powers (after not having fought in it to help expel the Turks), decided that, in order to limit Russian influence, Serbia should not get territorial expansions in Northern Albania, and that Albania should be an independent state. This was important to Serbia due to the sea access, because Montenegro was often not allowed to unite with Serbia due to none of the empires allowing it.

>>222475924
Great powers have meddled elsewhere too, I know that Italy had constant Austrian and French meddling, yet Italy eventually united, they even conquered it's parts before, we just failed, they didn't, let's just reduce it to chance because sometimes it's just that. British unification was done ages ago, so was the French, and they had wars all over it, we were just late to this historical process because of the Ottomans lording over these lands for half a millenium in some parts.
>>222475918
>Real talk I don't see why giving Leposavić, Zubin Potok, and Zvečan municipalities back to Serbia and calling it a day wouldn't work. Also don't see why Kosovo would want to hold onto those municipalities or why Serbia would want to hold on to the rest of Kosovo.
Because then everything would be solved with a land swap and would basically kill Bosnia and Herzegovina, maybe even Montenegro, and there is not enough popular support for a land swap in both Albania and Serbia, and Kosovars have ethnically expelled many Serbs since you intervened, which was hilarious since that's the basis you intervened on in the first place. That's why I said you needed to make both sides somewhat unhappy and tell them to suck it up and gradually finesse the political situation into one of cordiality.
Should have listened to Kissinger, he was right so many times.

>>222476116
>I know that Italy had constant Austrian and French meddling

Italy had Austrian and French meddling but were, combined, large enough to deal with it, this doesn't work if your combined population is smaller than one Italian region.

>>222474669
>>222474561
>>222474494
this isn't really surprising in any way since there were literally zero direct wars between croats and serbs until the 20th century and both live in the same territories and speak the same language

>>222476222
That's exactly the issue. Germanic, Italian, French, Russian, Iberian and yes, even Scandinavian tribes were all warring against each other for thousand(s) of years.

>>222476168
That's what I am saying, nobody let Italy unite and dish it out. Serbs were also not strong in the 90s to dominate all sides, while they did not outright meddle they sanctioned us and that killed our economy almost instantly, but even if they didn't, we would not be able to dominate all sides unless there was a grueling war of attrition like in Ukraine which nobody would wage because as you know the wars in the 90s did not even have much domestic support here.
It's just circumstance, we did not succeed, and we probably could not succeed no matter what, even if somehow they had the foresight to not meddle, but it's human nature to meddle.

>>222476293
1. Italian regions were larger demographically and able to withstand it due to this reason.

2. The foreign meddling was balanced, this was not the case in the Balkans. Russia was proven to be a shit ally not just to us, but to everyone else they were supposed to "protect". China was nowhere near as influential as today, and is generally isolationist in that aspect. If the Russians stood firmly by us (which would have been the best for them as well), then the West would not have meddled either because no one wants to risk a nuclear war and you would not have the Kosovo situation all these years after because there would have been an even balance of powers (even if the West was much more powerful than Russia, no one would risk a nuclear war or even seek the return of the Cold War, effectively resulting in the same thing).

>>222476508
Instead, Russians, by failing to protect the interests of any of their allies, further limited their own interests and influence. They let all of their allies down the drain and most of them are now aligning with the west because there is no point in aligning with Russia anymore, since they've proven (with absolutely zero exceptions) that they will not protect you when push comes to shove.

>>222476508
>1. Italian regions were larger demographically and able to withstand it due to this reason.
I am aware of that but I don't see how it exactly helps your argument, that's exactly what I am saying, Serbia couldn't do it because we did not posses the numbers to "solve" the region even internally, disregarding the external powers.
>The foreign meddling was balanced, this was not the case in the Balkans
Alright.
>Russia was proven to be a shit ally
Which period are we talking about? Russia was not our ally in the 90s, the opposite in fact once communism fell forever (after Milosevic banked on communists regaining power in some of their crisis). We also had nothing like an alliance with them. Russia was also never that powerful to secure the Balkans.
>China was nowhere near as influential as today
China has no power projection, it's only an economic ally, but since we are surrounded if the west wills it they can be cut off.
>If the Russians stood firmly by us (which would have been the best for them as well)
Russians have yet to figure out the economics because they continuously collapse, at that time they were relying on US help to survive and had a weak regime that couldn't pacify the Caucasians and everything was falling apart.
It is probably right, however, that the west would not have meddled, but you should look up how events unfolded. Russian diplomatic airplane was on the way to Washington to discuss what's to be done when the west started the bombing and they got very pissed. I am not sure how they could have seriously intervened without the west not thinking it's a bluff. If they didn't start a war over collapse of USSR, why the fuck would they escalate over Kosovo? To gain what, exactly? This is not a valuable country or a region anymore, it's not 19th century. We don't matter.

>>222476577
>>222476508
To illustrate how dumb this was: Serbia even in its current state can counter Albania, Kosovo, Bosniak Bosnia and Macedonia by itself.

Its GDP will, at current growth rates, be higher than Croatian and Bosniak Bosnia's combined in about 7 years. And that's not including Republika Srpska or Montenegro.

Russians could have had both Serbia and Bulgaria on their side, but they didn't - instead now all of the Balkans is under the Western sphere of influence and parts of it are stuck in a frozen conflict limiting their growth and stability.

Off topic /pol/ spam thread.

>>222476749
How can Russians survive without us, someone should notify them, what can we even offer?
You can make an argument that they should have helped Armenia for the sake of actually being there for the allies they have papers with (Azerbaijan killed their peacekeepers so I want nothing of the "muh we didn't have legal basis").
We are not in CSTO, we have not been a Russian ally since 1917, they have nothing to uphold, they broke nothing aside from your feelings and they have nothing to gain here. Shit talk people where you should. I am not even a Russian apologist but you're gonna make me look like one.

>>222476749
>Albania, Kosovo, Bosniak Bosnia and Macedonia by itself.

I am judging this by the GDP metric.

Bosnia (without Republika Srpska) - $20.5 billion
Kosovo - $11.2 billion
Albania - $33.33 billion
Macedonia - $21.6 billion
Serbia (without Montenegro or Republika Srpska) - $112.03 billion
Serbia with Republika Srpska - $124 billion
Serbia with Republika Srpska and Montenegro - $134 billion

Furthermore, Serbia is 54% of overall Western Balkan exports.

>>222475681
Edward Luttwak's "Give War a Chance" talks about this
>If allowed to burn itself out, war itself brings peace--by destroying the will and the means to keep fighting. Except in rare cases of total conquest, peace negotiations can then begin. At that point, the very killing, destruction and suffering of war can promote the making of peace by inducing each side to tolerate concessions previously felt to be intolerable.
>Throughout history, that is how wars have ended--by peace settlements between losers afraid of further defeats and winners uncertain of keeping all of their conquests.
>But this classic remedy, both cruel and highly effective, has been denied to the peoples of the former Yugoslavia. Instead of the decisive surgery of war, painful but swift, or at least not normally hugely protracted, they have been subjected to the new post-1945 therapy of “war control” by outside powers

>>222476847
Russians wanted to cosplay as a Great Power - the point of a Great Power is to leverage influence in different regions. We were their most powerful and also loyal ally in this region. We would have fought for them against its enemies in this region, offsetting their manpower needs. That is how it works between regional powers and Great Powers, which is what Russia was supposed to be.

But instead, Russia did nothing while all of its allies were being beaten to submission by the west. They let them all go, and now Russia is becoming less and less relevant.

Russia's nominal GDP per capita will be lower than Serbia's in 3 years, and that's factoring in their resources that boost that number.

>>222476861
That's brilliant. I didn't know someone notable already wrote about this. Thank you for sharing.

>>222476922
What can you do, should have not been Orthodox, most of our problems would not exist.
Also muh Geedepee is largely irrelevant, there will always be at least a regional power influencing the Balkans (against our favour) and we will be subdued easily.

>>222476922
>They let them all go, and now Russia is becoming less and less relevant.

By settings this precedent of being unreliable allies to all of the countries in need, they made it clear that to ally with Russia, or to try to be under the Russian (or Eastern) sphere of influence is a mistake and that the West will simply eat you apart if you do so, providing absolutely zero protection.

The only possible change to this would be China becoming more influential and less isolationist. Russia is simply a horrible ally, too afraid to stand up for its allies and not realizing the effect that has on their own standing in the geopolitical sphere, and their own selfish NEED and INTEREST in doing so.

>>222477008
Yes, I agree. It would be best if we remained Pagan Slavic to this day and raged war against everyone - including the United States, even if it meant death and the extinction of our peoples. Because even death is preferable to a limbo of "peace", where no one has any. If there's one single person left to fight against the enemy, then the war is not lost. I would personally declare war on all of our enemies this very instant, even if it meant we get bombed by all of the West again, and we all cease to exist. Because at the very least, we would make our enemies bleed, and find peace in death rather than a limbo.

>>222477093
I would rather die, be castrated and crucified than fight with the current Serbs and our current, people are degenerate morons and regime is corrupt, has no fear of anything and does not give a single shit about us.
If we had a just state I would accept death, but at this moment I have nothing to die.
see >>222475518

>>222477130
>our current
Leader, elites.

>>222477008
You don't understand. Our role as a REGIONAL POWER, and NOT A GREAT POWER, is to be able to counter our own enemies in the region. We more than did our part. We have a gdp that's larger than theirs combined by 50 billion, and we are 54% of overall Western Balkan exports. Our military is ranked higher than all of our enemies, even Croatia's.

RUSSIA'S role was to do its part in being a GREAT POWER, which is to support its REGIONAL POWER ALLY and ensure that they make it clear to the west that a war with us means a war with them. They betrayed us and did nothing.

We will not forget this. And yes, we might lose, and if we do what's right (declare war on all our enemies in the region and wage it until extinction or victory), it's even the most likely scenario because the Leftist army will bomb us again. But it is the only right thing to do. They made us bleed, and bleed we did,, but now is their turn to bleed, even if that leads us to death.

As a black person, out of all the balkan countries I visited, I got along with serbs the best. Why is this?

>>222477130
Then you are worse than an enemy. You are a traitor. I would stab you in the chest first and use you as convenient logistics in the war, to be cooked and eaten. Cucks like you is what's wrong with modern political landscape.

>>222477130
Then you will be dead, castrated and crucified, I will personally stab you with the sword of my ancestors and slit your throat open, but only after flaying you.

>>222477221
I would personally kill you if I saw you in Serbia. I hope your encounter with me will change your opinion

>>222477352
Not if I rape you first, manlet

>>222475518
>love of sports
>muh greek and roman values!!!1!!!
lmfao, filtered. Read Saint John Chrysostom - Christians ought to despise theatrics and "bread and games" antics. What we have is a quasi atheistic neopagan consumerism as promoted by the degeneracy of "self management", an UDBA narrative that worked to destroy social cohesion and collective values for the purpose of making people docile and easy to manipulate by whichever chimp is in power.
You seem to operate too much along party lines without realising that nationalists are not, and never were, in power in the last 80 years. Our institutional politics is UDBA theatre for spiritually and intellectually impoverished Yugoboomers.

>>222477383
>Manlet
Google "Average height in Montenegro" and then Google "Average height in Serbia". I am from Montenegro. Then compare it to your little g<-i<-n hellspawn

>>222477405
Fuck you and your Christians. I renounce Christianity and our "Christian allies" who abandoned us in every major war when we needed them. Serbia should be a PAGAN SLAVIC country where the destruction of our enemies and death in war are the most noble things.

>>222477008
>>222477093
>>222477197
I doubt anybody'd step in another round of South Slav wars. Look how little Washington did during the 2nd Nagorno-Karabakh war. Who's peacekeeping in Gaza? Lebanon's blue hats are leaving quite soon. The Yugoslav intervention was a remnant of Cold War conflict management.

>>222477413
How tall are YOU, filthy mountain negro?

>>222477225
>>222477251
>>222477405
I love the Byzantine oriental seething I cause.
You just want to fucking die. You worship death, not life. And you will be dying for nothing more but for and with degenerates that know no virtue. Enjoy your cult of death, I suppose.

>>222477471
That would be ideal. Actual westerners are not my enemies - only the leftists who sympathize with Muslim terrorists are. (But Bosniaks can still be helped, they just need to be sent to reeducation camps, Albanians need to perish)

>>222477480
198cm, you stupid cotton picker, should I call your masta?

>>222477552
>only 198cm
Lmfao pathetic. Step on a landmine and kill yourself slav(e)

>>222477446
Plebbit is down the hall and to the left. Conversion to Christianity was a prerequisite of our settlement in the Balkans, my ancestors (Mijaks and Brsjaks) made that deal with the Eastern Roman Emperor in 650AD (!). There was never a chance for Paganism to survive, and frankly all of European civilisation is better off for that fact.
>>222477251
>Neofagan baboon LARPer is a useful idiot to UDBA criminal elites
When I say it's every single time brother, it's every. single. time. I don't often say this but see you in Cacilend, unironically. You're about as "intelligent" as any hooligan freak sitting there.

>>222477511
Yes. Death is the ultimate destination of life. It is beautiful and peaceful. Life is not meant to be peaceful, life is war and horror. We either make life in our own image, fight for our interests, or perish. Choosing to stay in a limbo of hellish existence imposed on you by your enemies is the most sinful thing to do.

>for degenerates
I would kill all the degenerates in power. If you are not of noble character, you have no place ruling over me. That is the way it was in Montenegro - you didn't just get there by corruption or having a fancy degree, you were the strongest and most noble person in your tribe. If you do not want to step down, and are not the strongest and most noble - you will get killed, like an enemy or a traitor.

>>222476116
balkan unification was completed in 1453 lil bro, it was only undone because you hopped on the dicks of your western christian brothers and died for their interests just for them to see you as a subhuman nowadays

>>222477619
>(Mijaks and Brsjaks)
You are a stupid Monkeydonian and not a real Serb. You are genetically more akin to Bulgarians, Greeks or Albanians than to any of the Slavic people. Which is why my words are wasted on you, you do not understand why I would suggest returning to Slavic paganism.

>>222477643
>That is the way it was in Montenegro
Bro I hate to break it to you but Monenigerians peacefully tolerated the most vantablack coal slop governments imaginable historically. You literally had your Prince gathering the women of an opposing tribe and committing gangrape in the country's holiest monastery in 1903. 1903 man, for real. Th most oriental, criminal savages of the Balkans by far. Literally behind 90%+ of violent crime and drug trafficking in Sewerbia, alongside your Dinarid "brothers" from Lika and Hercegovno. Literally just go back.

>>222477643
Then why the ass explosion? I am not in a rush to die for people I don't consider resembling of my own character. Christcuckery is not going to return you to such society. It is too servile.
>>222477675
Seems we forgot to toss you over the border.

>>222477675
Shut the fuck up, you stupid Muslim manlet reject. I would impale you and hang you so high that your manlet 170cm self would be seen from your goat fucking Albanian village. I would rage war against both you and Christians. At the same time.

>>222477698
The elites from the Monarchy by and large descend from those tribes thoughbeit. It's no coincidence my ancestor were huge landowners before 1945. But you've been brainwashed by UDBA social media slop to hate the monarchy too, no doubt. Useful idiots for communist elites that rule to this day with a new coat of paint.

>>222477720
Monkeydonians are not real Serbs. You are not Slavic and neither are Bulgarians. And this comes from a person that says fuck all Slavs. I think we should rage war against even our "Slavic orthodox brothers", because they did a worse thing than attack us - they betrayed us.

I share this country with literal apes, but at least you are high energy apes and we get to talk about deep topics unlike neighbouring cucks, even if we will probably kill each other in the street because the energy has to go somewhere.

>>222477798
Much like the Croats stabbed us in the back with Germans. I am done with all the "south slavic brotherhood", they are worse than our enemies. They are worse than the people most genetically distant to us. They are worse than our worst "outsider" enemies. Because they betrayed us. Because they abused our trust. Because they are cowards, who stabbed a knife in the backs of not just us, but of our women and children.

>>222477734
your christian ancestors under ottoman rule enjoyed more freedom and economic opportunities than actual christians in christian states or in medieval serbia, you are like a stray dog waiting for your russian/western master to finally accept you as one of theirs

>>222477853
Fuck all this victim and betrayal talk, we need to start resembling the ancient Greeks and Romans and then nobody would fuck with us.

>>222477853
This is why Serbia should have declared war on Croatia in the 1990s, instead of Standing By and letting people from Srpska Krajina do the fighting themselves. We should have declared war on them despite sanction threats and went all in, and burned every single village to the ground even if that meant getting bombed by everyone, even if that ultimately meant a defeat and the extinction of our people and country. Because they stabbed us in the back, because they betrayed us and our trust, because they killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians including women and children. To say "all is forgiven" is to spit in the faces of all the kids who were thrown off the cliff into a river, of all the kids who were beheaded in front of their parents.

>>222477886
No, quite the opposite. I am saying fuck the West for allying with Albanian goat fucking Muslims, and I am saying fuck Russia for betraying us. Both are our enemies. I have no sympathy for Russia. The only commendable thing to do is to wage war against both.

>>222477911
>muh poor innocent we
How do you expect me to go to war and die if all you do is victimise? Classic christcuck. Either we are badasses or we are not.

>>222477935
>christcuck
Are you a retard or a Sandzak Muslim with a wicked agenda? I am a SLAVIC PAGAN

>>222458904
they are just perceived as being russia fanboys, but ironically we have way more russophiles here even though we participate in all western organizations

>>222477956
Proving once and for all that fagans are the ultimate victimhood copers. You just reflect it onto us because you're spiritually feminised.

>>222477956
You are mentally a christcuck.

>>222477898
We need to resemble Spartans, that's what Montenegrins resembled anyway. Montenegro was the Sparta of Serbia. That's why we are the tallest people in the world if you exclude all the little Albanian and Muslim minorities. Vojvodina and Belgrade can resemble Athens, you can be the more civilized one. But me? Me? I'd rather wage war until I die and kill as many enemies as I can, and be awarded an honorable death.

>>222477931
every balkan banana republic exists because a foreign piwer created them, if nation states are so important why were they never any serious natiobal revolts in scotland or wales for example, nationalism is a slop ideology exported by the west to mind break and divide and conquer their enemies

>>222477991
I am not a "victim", because a victim means "powerless". Acknowledging a betrayal and evil done against us does not make me a "victim", because I advocate for returning that favor. Serbia should have declared war on Croatia in the 1990s and helped the Croatian Serb Minority wage war in more ways than just sending aid. We should have declared full-scale war against Croats and burned every single village down.

>>222478005
Nothing stops you from terrorism if you have such selfish ambitions.

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>>222478035
Maybe your Monkeydonian banana republic. My ancestors conquered almost the entire Balkans as a small tribe of people that came from Northern Europe.

>>222477988
Because your Russophilia is at least rational and according to your territorial interests. if Radicals and their Russophiles won in late 1800s Serbia my ancestors would probably have been genocided or expelled by Bulgarians, because they were willing to give Southern Serbia to Bumgayria just as mother RuZZia ordered them to.... The only thing the Obrenovic monarchy did wrong was not putting Radical supporters in death camps and allotting all their property out to loyal royalists.

Here Russophilia is just a cynical cover for neobolsheviks to spread their rotten ideology in a less controversial manner - hence why it's dying with the current youth alongside left wing and yugonostalgic politics in general, thank Christ Almighty.

>>222478058
I am not into petty terrorism, I am into honorable fighting and death. If our enemy attacked the powerless, the women and the children, then the same favor should be returned twicefold.

>>222478073
serbia only exists because austrians needed low iq meatheads to fight their wars and die for them for free

>>222478203
Serbia was an Empire before the Austrians even had an Empire.

>>222478203
And why do you exist, oh noble one? It is difficult for me to ask this because you don't even have an identity.

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You guys have serious generational trauma, even worse than we probably. Here, take this prayer, read it:
"God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and wisdom to know the difference."

>>222458904
Unstable muslims

>>222478077
>Russophilia is just a cynical cover for neobolsheviks to spread their rotten ideology in a less controversial manner
Literally brother, I hate how this isn't brought up nearly as often as it should be in Sewerbia... "Russia" doesn't even exist, it's a rump USSR governed by internationalist Jewish Bolsheviks with many sympathisers in Sewerbia, including much of our communist-descended elite.
Serbs used to be relatively anti Russian due to their support of Bulgaria, until Nicholas II put down his life to go to war for our interests. We don't have Russophilia, we have Nickyphilia that Stalinists are cynically abusing to push the demonic ideology that put Nicky's family six feet under. It's a farce on a farce on a farce, multiple levels of demonic lying and cynical masks for dumb yugoboomers to pretend they are not still internationalist Marxists (most of them are, in actuality).

>>222478247
We have generational trauma from oriental Byzantinism doing brain damage towards people's brains.

>>222478232
my country is the caliphate and my people are the ummah akhi

>>222478350
Your country produced nothing of value and resembled a gypsy tax extortion scheme.

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>>222478297
We need to send you back. You are not a Serb. You are a Monkeydonian. You are a Bulgarian-Balkan rape baby.

Milosevic was a cuck. He didn't want to get bombed and sanctioned, so he didn't declare war against Croatia and left Army of Srpska Krajina weakened. But guess what? He got bombed anyway. Because our enemy has no honor, has no principles and their only basis for it was to limit "Russia's" influence. And what did Russia do to help us? Nothing. They are little imbecile Cucks. They are the worst of them for being traitors.

>>222478048
Well, that's what you did, you sent the best and strongest you had to Vukovar. I also don't understand why you attacked Croatia and why you support it. Look at how the Czechs and Slovaks 'divorced' like gentlemen.

>>222478400
if that was true it wouldnt have made the entirety of europe shit in their pants, would it?

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>>222478418
No, in fact Serbia did not declare war. JNA was in Croatia for a few months because your secession was unconstitutional and after that you were fighting the Army of Srpska Krajina with military aid sent from Belgrade. Serbia did not declare war on your traitorous nation because the implication was that we would get bombed and sanctioned if we did. My hero is Ratko Mladic, not any "Peaceful figure (cuck)".

>we should sacrifice the entire country for rural cretins
Why do you wish it so bad, they are now here in Serbia, we don't have to kill Croatians and Bosniaks to have them here. Happy?

>>222478416
>Milosevic was a cuck. He didn't want to get bombed and sanctioned, so he didn't declare war against Croatia and left Army of Srpska Krajina weakened
I don't disagree one bit. Genuinely have no idea who this is directed at. He was fine with Serbs dying and Serbia getting bombed if his communist buddies get to keep ruling to this day, which is exactly what happened.
>And what did Russia do to help us? Nothing
Exactly what I wrote, drooling fucking imbecile. Learn to comprehend what you read. The USSR is ruled by kleptocratic bolshevik Jews. I refuse to call it "Russia" out of principle.

>>222478474
You sent the army from Belgrade to Croatia. Didn't you know that? This about the 'constitution' and 'treason' is a mental illness.

>>222478579
I am a "Rural Cretin" as much as you are a Serb - that is not at all. You are all traitors

>>222478616
The ruraloids are currently SNS goons and in the police beating the shit out of people who spit on this "government" (out of bad and good reasons).

>>222478616
You literally are a rural cretin though, useful idiot for commie elites.

>>222478598
The army was only sent in the first few months, that was the army of JNA, right after you seceded, and after the threats of sanctions and bombings to Milosevic, he cucked out and withdrew and instead started only supporting the Army of Srpska Krajina. There were 130k soldiers stationed in Serbia not attacking Croatia in any way, and no formal war was ever declared on Croatia, instead we simply sent volunteers and arms to Srpska Krajina's Army. That's also why you never crossed into Vojvodina from Vukovar - because doing so would mean an official war between Serbia and Croatia and not just between Srpska Krajina and Croatia.

Milosevic was a traitor and left Serbs in Srpska Krajina weak, especially after NATO started bombing the supply chains

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Balkans are insufferable. Yes, your friends will betray you. Yes you will suffer horribly. No, you won't recieve an apology until maybe way down the line when it's irrelevant. No, you can't stop it. It is a universal law. So stop whining about it and planning more destruction. Aren't you fucked enough? Maybe think about what you can build instead of what to destrot and who to kill. Genuine nigger mentality.

>>222478676
I am actually a genius that was officially tested as such. Me not being a cuck and rejecting living in a world imposed on me by my enemies does not make me a rural cretin, cretin.

>>222478721
I am disappointed in your mentality. I thought Polish people would understand the ancient noble mentality of Slavic paganism. As it stands, it seemed that only Germans understood this mentality.

>>222478721
You see what people I am surrounded by? Death and victim cults.

>>222478757
It is a Slavic mentality, but it is not noble, that term is reserved for ancient Greeks and Romans.

>>222478783
As I said, If you want to be (((noble))), you can have your Athens in Cuckgrade and Cuckvojdina. Montenegro was the Sparta of Serbia and it explains why we are the tallest people in the world.

>>222478820
>muh height
You know nothing of history. Height doesn't matter. It's equivalent of "muh dick".

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>>222478765
Your life is worse than death, yet death awaits you nonetheless. My politics are comparable to that of Vojvoda Vojislav, except that I say: FUCK RUSSIA! You are traitors. You deserve a worse faith than our enemies.

>>222478721
>Maybe think about what you can build instead of what to destrot and who to kill
My southeastern industrialist ancestors tried that yeah, but we got put in camps and had our shit taken away from us by communists, and their descendants call us "kulaks" and "slavers" to this day. I literally get called "kulak's grandson" in Facebook comments by local government supporters.

Perhaps there is your answer, the people who tried to build things and rapidly industrialise in the interwar era are universally hated and their property and political influence was never restituted. What we have now is a bunch of toothless oriental peasants and urbanites living in pillboxes who just want war, killing, genocide against neighbouring people and domestic entrepreneurs. Just like UDBA wants our society to be.

>>222478890
Shut up. Monkeydonian. You are not a real Serb.

>Montenegro’s martial culture is rooted in centuries of defending its rugged mountain terrain from the Ottoman Empire and other regional powers. It is characterized by the ethos of Čojstvo i Junaštvo (Humanity and Bravery)-the unwritten code of chivalry dictating that one must defend the weak and honorably respect enemies.Historically, this warrior lifestyle demanded a strict, Spartan-like existence where fighting prowess and physical resilience were paramount. The core elements and modern evolution of this culture include:The Historical Warrior State: Prior to the 20th century, the Montenegrin highlands functioned as a defensive, militarized tribal society. Folk epics, the playing of the gusle (a traditional single-stringed instrument), and oral traditions kept the heroic lineage alive.The Code of Honor: Čojstvo translates to defending others from yourself (self-restraint), while junaštvo is defending yourself from the enemy (bravery). Surrendering in battle was historically considered the ultimate dishonor.

>>222478913
>Surrendering in battle was historically considered the ultimate dishonor.
>Surrendering in battle was historically considered the ultimate dishonor.
>Surrendering in battle was historically considered the ultimate dishonor.

You have the ultimate dishonor. Your life is dishonorable. Death would be a merciful punishment for you.

>>222478900
>unironically shilling for Vijekoslav the Hercegovno in the big 26
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. What did I say, he is a rural cretin and useful idiot for socialist and radical criminal coastal lowlives in power. Just like all coastal Dinarids. How can you be this dumb, dude? For your sake I REALLY hope this is just engagement bait.

>>222478974
The King was a moron and a traitor to Serbian people. Milosevic was a moron and a traitor to Serbian people. Vojvoda Vojislav never said anything wrong.

>>222478701
>only sent in the first few months
So that means you sent the army and you sent the elite. After Vukovar you were mindbroken, it would have been impossible to mobilize people. And if you had sent everything you had to Croatia after that, you would still have lost. Vukovar is just one city, how many 'Vukovars' would have to happen to get to Zagreb? Even if you got to Zagreb, how would you conquer a city of a million? That's ridiculous.

Quick question genious, how many people with surname "Seselj" exist among Serbs?

>>222478334
>deliberately ignoring ottoshits who brought oriental despotism till the heart of Europe but blaming byzantines who influenced the western Europe up till Manzikert

>>222479041
Ottoshits were byzantinism but exponentailly worse.

>>222479024
That means that in the first few months you were getting buck-broken until we got threatened with sanctions and bombings and had to pull out, change our political entity to Serbia and Montenegro and let you Secede peacefully on our end and the only ones standing in your way were the Army of Srpska Krajina which was only aided by Serbia who you were fighting for years with Western intelligence and German and Russian weapons.

For 4 years you were fighting a Serbian paramilitary mixed with local peasants in Srpska Krajina that was having its supply chains bombed by NATO in Bosnia and unable to reach the front in Croatia while over a hundred thousand full-time, trained Serbian soldiers were stationed in Serbia doing nothing. It is true however that the meta was a defensive one.

>>222478765
Ugh, are heated historical debates like this very common?

>>222479204
Yes. We are energetic and divisive people.

>>222479146
saying that turks got their politics influenced by byzantines is retarded. even more retarded is to blame an empire that peaked 1500 years ago for your mindset instead of an empire you gained your independence from 150 years ago. if anything slavshits did worse for this shitty region and you destabilising the byzantines was the main reason for turks to grow as a power

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>>222479289
Romanians are the closest people in Balkans to Turks besides Bulgarians, Greeks, Macedonians and Albanians.

Romanians are dishonorable people.

>>222479002
You do realise Vjekoslav's philosophy leads straight to criminal oligarchy by descendants of communists? Nevermind, of course you know that - it's exactl what you want. Putting my head on a treestump that you're a descendant of swarthenegrin partisan troglodyte "jurišnici na vile". Plus he was Milosevic's goon in the 90s, it's a cope to say the two were not in great relations and oftentimes even politically dependent on one another. You can't even coherently describe what Vijekoslav's views are and what he is "right" on because the guy's a semifeudal political grifter of the Warsaw Pact variety. Literally even dumber and more primitive than Yugocommunist cadres like Slobo. What a shame...

>>222479024
>>222479193

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkAPD7mMwgc

Watch this, traitor, if you want a better illustration of what I had just said. Our stance had to be neutral and we couldn't fully commit to the war because of threats of bombings and sanctions, so all we could is wage a proxy war of a Peasant Army supported with equipment from Serbia and still had significantly less casualties once you consider we were fighting both you and Bosniaks while also having our logistics bombed in Bosnia meaning it wasn't able to reach Srpska Krajina

>>222479374
this means we are locals why you are invading barbarians

>>222479448
I am not reading your cucked post. Tell me, what do you suggest, if not to kill our enemies while seeking death ourselves? I will await an answer, so I can laugh at how dishonorable your suggestion is.

>>222479027
None. His uncle was in the Ustashe. Just like Brnabic's family, Bakarec's grandfather, and all those other commie-radicals that were pardoned by Tito's partisans and brought to Belgrade to rule over us.

When they call student protesters "ustashe" even they know it is pure projection and a farce. Accuse the other side of that which you are guilty.

>>222479289
Turks and Byzantines are one side of the same coin.
>>222479484
>w-we are locals
Any more of christian babble?

>>222479499
I know that, I wanted him to reply, but he ignored it on purpose.

>>222479498
I don't have to tell you anything. More than anything I'd prefer to put you crypto-Titoites in a camp and get it all done and dusted with. I'd rather go to war with domestic Marxswarthoids than start another pan Balkan chimpout we will lose.

>>222479512
>Christian
nigga we are roman. go back to your pripyat swamp and eat mud

>>222479484
Yes, we are invaders and I am quite proud of that. We are warriors who slit your throats open and made an empire and conquered all the native Balkanoids.

>>222479499
Then why are there more Serbian notable people with this surname than Croatian?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%A0e%C5%A1elj

>>222479573
Real Serbia (so not Monkeydonians like you) doesn't lose wars unless heavily outnumbered. Montenegro and Serbia never lost a war on even grounds. We have won:

1) The First Balkan War
2) The Second Balkan War
3) The First World War
4) The Second Balkan War

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>>222479512
if so, why did you help the turks but attacked byzantines?
>>222479591
>we are warriors who-ACKK

>>222479289
>if anything slavshits did worse for this shitty region and you destabilising the byzantines was the main reason for turks to grow as a power
THERMONUCLEAR TRVKE. Serbs ought to listen more to pro Byzzie historians like Zarko Vidovic instead of his swarthoid anti Greek UDBA chimpshit promoted by communists and their descendants.

We were pestering and backstabbing the Rhomaioi all the time, and then we cry when Ottomans divide and conquer us. That is the height of hypocrisy. Serbia would have been better off staying a Byzantine vassal military marcher lordship like it was fucking established to be. But then again, communists and their ppseudointellectual descendants would have found someone else to blame for their own failures if it weren't for the Ottomans. Whenever a Balkanite blames Turks for anything in the modern day, the best bet is to ignore him, second best is to ridicule him for being enslaved by the most shallow communist narrative in history.

>>222479635
Because there was no difference between the two besides a different side of the coin of the same Abrahamic faith.

Because we were more fit to have an empire than them, because we beat them in battles and beat them into submission until we controlled the majority of Byzantine and had Bulgaria as puppets, despite being a small warrior tribe.

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>>222479685
I smell a lot of cope in this post
>>222479634
don't forget about the serbo-bulgarian war of 1885 bro ;)

>>222479666
I am done arguing with a dishonorable moron. Your afterlife will punish you for all your sins, the biggest of which is a *DISHONORABLE EXISTENCE*. You are a MONKEYDONIAN and not a REAL SERB, please READ >>222478939

>Surrendering in battle was historically considered the ultimate dishonor.

>>222479573
I am not a crypto-Titoite, I would put a bullet in Tito's brain, and then be mad at myself for being too gentle and giving him an easy way out. Tito was by far worse than the kING to the Serbian people, but Tito was a cROAT, so not a traitor, while the kING was a traitor, and the latter is worse. I will not be wasting my time in this thread anymore, arguing with fake mONKEYDONIAN Serbs

>>222479635
>if so, why did you help the turks but attacked byzantines?
You are historically illiterate. Back to the books. I don't know what else to say. Get your facts right before speaking to me, gypsy. You are not Roman, you are a tribe conquered by Romans.

>>222480256
lying like a turk it seems. I will post this one because it was disastrous for us. thank you for helping the enemy I guess

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Nicopolis

>>222458904
I don't like them, but that doesn't mean I hate them

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>>222480256
You are not a slav but merely slavic speaking you swarthy balkanian

>>222480416
>haha I posted one link! gotcha!
And if I posted one link where we helped the Byzantines, then the debate is settled, how does your gypsy brain work?
If I posted a destroyed T-34 in WWII, USSR lost the war, and every T-34 was destroyed?
What's the gypsy logic?

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>mfw foreigners get so angry at people from their own countries, they argue in English

>>222480570
It's for entertainment of everyone, we know you are reading it.

>>222479193
Retard, you went all in, as Milosevic himself admitted. Then your spine was broken and you couldn't do anything anymore. You had all the weapons in the world, we had an embargo. In Operation Storm, we literally wiped out 200 years of Serbian history, kwab

>>222474696
some turks follow bektashism o algo

>>222480565
many serbs were granted high positions in ottoman political system and up till the 17th century serbs weren't particularly upset living under the turk rule

>>222480624
nta but serbia was not officially in a war with you in any way shape or form except for the first few months, and milosevic's stance was always that it was a civil war in croatia and he supported your secession after withdrawing the jna from croatia. of course he still supplied them with weapons and there were paramilitaries there, but it was nowhere near a full scale invasion or war lol

>>222480728
>moves the topic further without addressing what I said
Dialogue ended. You do not uphold and venerate the truth, you only want your shallow gypsy beliefs to be upheld.

>>222458904
genocidal freaks
feudal serfs

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>>222480624
The lies you tell yourself to feel better. In reality you had twice the casualty rate, which only decreased as JNA stopped being involved in the war, and for 4 years you were fighting literal paramilitaries and peasants supplied with old Soviet weapons and our supply chains being bombed all throughout Bosnia, so even the little involvement we did have was by supplying weapons was negatively affected.

The promise made to Milosevic was that if he withdraws JNA from Croatia, and that if Serbia recognizes Croatia's secession, that Serbia would not be bombed and sanctioned, and would be allowed to have its own territorial integrity respected.

Yes, you were embargoed, but you still got arms from Russia and Germany, it didn't mean anything.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_War_of_Independence

>>222480624
Since you might be too low iq to read the article here >>222480862, I suggest watching this video for smooth brained people like you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkAPD7mMwgc

>>222458904
Nobody really thinks about Serbia at all imc.

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>leave thread
>come back
>it's still going
I'm enjoying my saturday screentime maxxing

>In the history of nations, the Serbs are the best example of the extent to which megalomania and ruthless chauvinism can blind an entire nation, drive it mad, and lead it to a disastrous catastrophe. The Serbian people have lived for centuries with the thought that of all the Slavic nations they have the greatest historical past, the bravest and most glorious heroes, the most beautiful songs, and the greatest rulers. All others should be amazed at Serbia, to worship it and to have it as a model - but a model that cannot be reached, because the Serbs are unique on earth: there is no other nation equal to them in greatness - "A Serb has everything that no one else has" - says a popular Serbian song. "There is no equal to a Serb" - we read in another.
>In this unfortunate country, where the delusion of grandeur has infected both old and young, both government and people, there is only one yardstick by which everything that is Serbian is measured - in Serbia everything is "great", every provincial high school in a "great Serbian high school...". A simple songbook that costs a penny - and it is called "Illustrated Great Serbian Lira". Even the most ordinary cookbook is entitled "Great Serbian Cook...". One has to wonder how - for so long - these people don't shudder at the word "great".

>>222480780
Serbs were the last people in this region to commit genocides.

Croats committed a genocide that killed 300-500k Serbs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia), after Serbs and Croats living in peace for 12 centuries with not a single war between them, just because they felt they were treated unequally in Yugoslavia and were promised territorial expansions by Germans, which they didn't fight for and literally fought for Austria instead, while Serbs gave their life for it.

They are a cowardly and dishonorable people. They will stab you in the back when you least expect it, at the slightest promise of benefit.

This genocide was the first one in the Balkans between these 2 ethnic groups, and then Serbs returned the favor (but in much smaller numbers). If you want to imagine what led to Yugoslav wars, then imagine 300k people who had their innocent loved ones brutally genocided by Croats.

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>>222480946
Bulgarians are a miserable people of short stature, low intelligence and the least amount of Slavic blood, who never even kicked out the Turks properly. But you were at least honorable, that much I can respect.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgarian_Turks

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>>222481040
Great response there, serv.

>>222481040
dude you are not a slav

>>222481040
>>222480946
Neither one of your posts are wrong.

>>222480862
they don't teach them that in croatian schools, i'm not even joking, they teach them propaganda that makes them think they were fighting the entire JNA for 5 years straight, that they had less casualties and that they won, when in reality they were fighting a proxy army that they outnumbered 3:1 and still had more casualties. they probably teach them that milosevic declared war on croatia and that serbia was directly involved for the entire 5 years. meanwhile, we're not even taught about any of this in schools because it's too recent to judge in an unbias way, which is why you will see a lot more serbs who aren't mad at croats than vice versa. in all of serbian schools, you will never be taught about the croatian genocide of serbs.

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>>222481123
You are not a Germanic, Germany is only 25% Germanic

>>222481170
Yes, I'm aware which is why I say the current leadership, and the past leaderships, were a bunch of Cucks. And the people who tolerate it are Cucks. They are (((Cucks)))

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>>222481197
you are not european

>>222481220
they need to buff themselves up because otherwise their entire "heroic" war for independence (really just a cowardly, hypocritical war where they were allowed to secede from yugoslavia, but serbian minorities weren't allowed to secede from croatia) that they base their entire modern national mythos on falls apart once they realize they were fighting a smaller opponent. meanwhile we need to never be taught our history because otherwise we'd need a nuke to feel reasonably mentally safe in our proximity because of all the shit they did in the last century

>>222481282
There are more (((Turks))) living in Germany than in the entire Balkan peninsula. There are 10 million Turks in Germany including naturalized ones. That's 1 out of every 8 citizens having a Turkish ethnic background.

But you are probably not even German, which is the funny part.

>>222481334
Because they are larping as Slavic despite having little to no Slavic blood as you can see in the image other anon posted here, on top of being the closest people to Turks besides Greeks and Albanians.

>>222479374
>>222474669

>>222481360
100% of serbia are turks/gypsies

>>222481419
to uopste nije tacno, njihov budzet za odbranu ($1.3 billion) je bio veci od bilo koje vojne pomoci koju je srbija poslala vojsci srpske krajine, a njihovo oruzje je bilo najnovije generacije nemackog oruzja i sovjetskog naoruzanja koje je obicno bilo bolje od domaceg jugoslovenskog naoruzanja.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/1995/08/20/how-west-let-croatia-sneak-arms/

>>222481454
Sure thing, Franjo, so when will you be leaving Germany and returning to Croatia? Can't stay there forever as a rapefugee, can you?

>>222481419
moras razumeti sa cim poredis, srpska krajina je objektivno imala ne samo manje ljudi nego i manje kvalitetnu opremu i budzet

>>222481360
Your'e getting baited by a regular that doesn't even hate us.

>>222481645
I don't care who hates us. I hope he hates us after this. As I said, our enemies are many,, but many enemies bring much honor. Yes, we have so many enemies that we will not survive another war, yet war is the only sensible and moral thing to do from our point of view. Yes,, we have bled, but so will they, yes we are fighting so many enemies that we will not exist by the end of it, but we will make them bleed and find peace in death after the fact.

>>222481645
this guy seems pretty aggressive tho

>>222481753
Ok, go die, I will enjoy booze, women, making money and children. I cannot create a state with Serbs.

>>222480624
>we had an embargo
all of the yugoslav territories had an embargo, including srpska krajina

>>222481780
samo sloga srbe spasava

>>222481780
You are a coward and a traitor, and will be the first one to be killed by us.

>>222480780
Accuse the other side of that which you did to our ancestors in Southeastern Serbia and Macedonia, lol. Typical Bumgay passive aggression.

>>222481820
Dude, Serbs are full-on degenerates, you'll be killing nothing, we genocided nobody, we jailed no politician, excluding our generals which we sent to hague, chill. People are worried about next Voyage's song, drama between ecelebs and how much of Desingerica's piss they can swallow at the next concert, not about Krajina, Kosovo or the state.

>>222481852
He is a Bulgarian. Enough said

>>222481869
Watchman do you stay in Serbia for the Summer?

Who is this guy that wants to die so much? Is he retarded or baiting?

>>222482045
he is based, i have never laughed this much

>>222482045
Probably autistic

>>222481790
You are either incredibly retarded or a liar and a manipulator, and I believe both. Serbia had all the JNA weapons, Croatia had none. So who did the embargo harm?

>>222482045
i mean, he's right about almost all of what he said, what's the point of seeking "brotherly" relations with croatia atp? or to restore relations we once had with the us, uk and france? croatia killed more serbian civilians than even the turks did, our territorial integrity was not respected despite us signing that we recognize theirs, we will be blackmailed if we want to join the eu, and most importantly i find it funny how croats are taught about these wars in a very nationalistic and delusional way in schools, but we are not taught about them at all and aren't even taught about the genocides that occurred almost a 100 years ago (even though it qualifies to have been long enough to be taught in history lessons in middle school)

>>222482286
nta but serbia was not in a war past the first 9 months, you absolute bafoon, jna was out of it by the end of the first year, krajina only a portion of jna weapons that were shipped to it as belgrade was the only one supporting it militarily

your didn't have "no weapons", your defense budget was $1.3 billion and was greater than the amount that was sent to srpska krajina by serbia, and your weapons were the newest gen german weapons and also cheap soviet stuff (that was still better than domestically produced yugoslav stuff). the embargo didn't impact you at all, as all these tanks and weapons crossed into croatia without issues (how else do you think the german tanks you see in croatia ended up there?)

https://www.chicagotribune.com/1995/08/20/how-west-let-croatia-sneak-arms/

why do you still keep discussing the war that happened 30 years ago and barely has any impact on your life? time to move on, focus on today, let the war memories stay with boomers and not impose a burden on the young generation

>>222480862
There was practically peace in Croatia from 1992 until Operation Flash. Your iq 90 narrative about 'peasants' is idiotic, they all, just like the Croats, underwent military training. They were armed to the teeth. They are actually irrelevant. The war was lost for you in Vukovar, your elite was stopped by a group of small and poorly armed people. Kwab

>>222482448
again, not him, but not at all, but even if so, wouldn't you say that's more than enough time to smuggle weapons in? and outnumbering someone 4:1 according to wikipedia, while also having 2 times as many casualties doesn't exactly sound like something to be proud of