islam is more logically consistent than christianity, say what you want about jihadists but their worldview is at least very rational
>>222467183can you explain? i don't know how it is rational to blow other muslims up
Allah’s BBC is rational. But niggas ain’t got no rational BBC. So the prophet(pbuh) says, think with your head not your BBC
>"religion" with the only goal of making the entire world into a brownie poop holeI guess that's consistent.
>>222467183Mormonism is the most rational and provides purpose to God's creation of man.
>>222467288Mormons are intimmydating because of how thoroughly better than me they are.
>>222467183if an american says something is rational it must be rational
>>222467378They do be brainiacs, I know one who works as an embedded software engineer at ABB.
>>222467183It's just full of rules I don't like so I have no intention of converting.
>>222467288>Mormonism is the most rationalLOL. LMAO even.
>>222467183>islam is more logically consistent than christianityTake your meds.
The Trinity is pagan nonsense compared to Islamic monotheism you have to admit
>>222468164Islam is pagan nonsense
>>222468314Explain to me how having three Gods is monotheism in one sentence
>>222468350It's one God in three personas. Otherwise christians wouldnt have a problem calling it politheism, mong. Monotheism is just a label.
>>222468350Mohammed took too much zutt sperm up his mohole to understand the concept of the trinity.
>>222467183True. Islam doesn't change, doesn't adapt, doesn't pander. islam foundations are solid like a rockChristianity are like chameleons, they will always kiss th asses of whoever they have to kiss, and stab the backs of ehoever they must stab, in order to have power and wealth.Christianity si so blatanly fake & gay, that it has over 30k sects, because over the centuries more and more people decided to make their own version of the vatican scam for themselves.
>>222468565ignorance is indeed a powerful foundation if you kill all dissenters
>>222467183I believe so as well
>religion>rational
>>222468682religion is just codified rationality
>>222468691Retardspeak
Literally just watched this. It was interesting https://youtu.be/lyx1XQ31rr0?si=O0GdsvwDJX21C4ls
>>222468518Bro read one sentence and dropped three, just like how pagans read one God and dropped three
>>222467183No it's not, that's why there's thousands of sects.Physics is rational, there are physics sects.
>>222467183Both Islam and Talmudic Judaism were simply reactions to the rise of Christianity and attempts to copy it's influence after the miraculous conversion of Rome. Both are extremely fake and gay.
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>>222468682refute any hadithyou cannot
>>222469288
>>222469328>literally codified grugness
>>222469328You didn't refute it.
>>222469288Water can easily be turned impure
>>222469577You didn't refute it.Do you know what W'udo is?
>>222469657Retard. Scary that you 70 iq apes are mass allowed into the west. Begging and shitting
>>222467183The trinity is just nonsense. Blame the catholic church
>>222469679How is water made impure by filth around it? I bet you believe in germ theory and vaccines too.
>>222469682It's a shared dogma between all major christian churches.
>>222467183The Greek pantheon is even more consistent and rationally grounded
>>222469657the prophet appears to have bathed himself in and drank filthy water in some kind of pervert ritual
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>>222469707Yeah because Rome killed everyone who didn't agree with it
>>222469577still H2O though isn't it
>>222469737Rome fell before these thibgs were codified by the Church. You had aryans and stuff running around for centuries afrlter Rome fell.
>>222469696>>222469758This is bait, right? Im not aure because muslims are actually this fucking dumb
>>222469696Uh, yeah man. You know something cool? We are some of the first people to have lived through an entire generation without Smallpox. Have you ever taken antibiotics? They probably saved your life a dozen times already. Go ahead and drink from a cistern full of skeletons and biohazards. It will be fun to watch you get sick
>>222468164There are direct mentions of pagan gods in the Quran which muslims still cope about to this day and Mecca was a pagan place of worship that they just kept using
>>222467280>>"religion" with the only goal of making the entire world into a brownie poop holeno it isnt, think about ramadan, they cant eat while the sun is out, there are places on earth where the sun doesnt set, they will starve, they didnt kow about these places in the 7 century in arabia so they didnt took them into consideration
>>222469828Muslims destroyed them, Christians decided to worship them but change their names into some prophet and a magic ghost
>>222467183islam is literally just a rebranding of communism they did after the ussr fell, same ideology under different marketingafter islam meets the same fate as ussr theyll try something else
>>222469758water is not h2o
>>222470052>Muslims destroyed themThey imagine they destroyed them but they worship them every time they go to their pagan idol in mecca.
>>222467279Fr. All one ummah nigga. *proceeds to literally rape nafroids out of existence*
Muhammad was gay, trans, and MAP so as a progressive I welcome islam
>>222470202Bro literally doesn't know what an idol is same way he doesn't know what monotheism isJust uses terms like a child repeating words it doesn't know the meaning of
>>222470905The black cube is an idol
>>222468565>Christianity are like chameleons, they will always kiss th asses of whoever they have to kiss, and stab the backs of ehoever they must stab, in order to have power and wealth.The trinity is goofy shit but this is the major problem really coming from a muslim . Whoever in charge just change whatever just to pander to people.
>>222471431>The term idol, usually pejorative in English (except in Indian English where it usually carries no hostile implication), is an image or representation of a god used as an object of worship,[1][2][3] while idolatry is the worship of an "idol" as though it were God.[4][5][6]You think a cube is a representation of Allah?
>>222467183>Religion based on the delusions of a schizophrenic desert pedophile>logical
>>222471878I dont think he was delusional, he didnt believe in the bs he peddled.
>Christian morality spectrum can be drawn onto a cross with a vertical axis of good and evil and horizontal axis of innocence and wisdom with the most freedom around halfway between the middle and the top and love driven surrender to the fate of crucifixion by Jesus Christ at the very top point and Satan's self inflicted slavery to sin at the very bottom point.>The cross is the shape of a gate to freedom of choice in a mathematically predictable universeVGH
>>222469017You are a faggot, a failure and a retard. Does that make you three separate people?
>>222469828Your book says that Satan is the god of this world
>>222471431A black cube is a statue of a human being? Just like a man can be his own son?
>>222472352Try an argument that actually explains things and doesn't insult the skeptic
>>222469835Cold weather is also a filter. Can't imagine a monke maintaining things like district heating.
>>222472594Russia is even colder. Maybe not in your former territories that they took, but in their own
>>222469835You worship a homeless dude that had to perform miracles to feed people because he didn't work for a living. And you literally worship him as a god
>>222472624yes, well, russians are very smart
>>222468350Well, an omnipotent god can have as many persons he wishes. It's implied by his definition itself. It could be seven, it could be one trillion. The question is, why do muslims diminish god's omnipotence. It's like reducing what is unknowable and infinite to your narrow ideas of oneness.
>>222472352I know consider Zeus to just be another attribute of God, considering this fact isn't written in the bible, just how the Trinity isn't written about in the bible, it is equally correct and not paganism
>>222473337Bro can't count be Gods just like he can't count sentences
>>222473437>I knowI now*>>222473465>be GodsHe Gods*
>>222467183Christianity would be more logical and popular if it weren't for trinity and idolatry.
>>222473337You shouldn't answer it like this. "divine mystery" is a classic fallback. This conceptual paradigm deems God capable of logical absurdities, which reduces his divinity to a farce. Have you heard of "can God create a married bachelor?" argument in the philosophy of logic, and the principle of non-contradiction? If God is by his nature able to end his existence, can he still be considered a necessary being? Can he then be a hypostic union of an infinite and finite nature?
>>222473560Also gambilng and hookers
>>222471431An idol is considered a window into the divine. Kaaba is meant as a direction for prayer. You can stand on top of it, you can even go into it. Your prayer is valid still eitherways. But can you do that with a statue of an idol?
>>222473874And blackjack.
>>222473953Blackjack already is gambling. I wasn't thinking straight. It's 29°C here so excuse me.
You're low IQ if you believe in any religion
>>222467183Yes this is true but only if you take abrahamshit seriously.Otherwise is just another outdated superstition, just like every religion out there
>>222473837"Divine mystery" simply means that God exceeds any terminological/mental instruments you try to apply to Him. It is not a fallacy or a way of avoiding the core question. One simply cannot apply terms used to describe objects accessible to a human mind to the absolute entity. Those terms mean nothing in this case. You have a being existing outside of time, so how can you even apply the verb "to end" to it/Him?>Can he then be a hypostic union of an infinite and finite nature?I am not sure about the Islamic theology. In the Christian theology the answer is not, eg. evil itself is not a property of God but His absence. More hermetic traditions in Christianity, I also think that some Sufis too, claim that God is an example of coexistentia oppositorum by definition. Considering the fact that the principle of non-contradiction does not even fully apply to the observable physical world (eg. wave–particle duality), I have no problem with not applying it in theological reasoning.On another topic - did NCERT cancel history as a separate subject in Indian schools?
>>222468164Islam is quite literally hubal paganism v2.0 and a blatantly ridiculous cult.
>>222468565>t. desi muzzieYou need to go back, Mohsin
>>222471878>Islam is quite literally hubal paganismExplain to me how worshiping one God by the name of Allah is polytheism, but worshiping three Gods by the name of God, Jesus and some ghost or someshit is monotheism
>>222469813Once had a muslim geologist claim "Evolution is fake! We learned about that"Yes yes, I'll ask a geologist if we came from rocks (they surely did), otherwise stfu
I saw the prophet eating chicken
>>222469577This must be a weak hadith o algo asi
>>222470052Weird projection, that's quite literally what momo did with hubal, rebranding the cult and formalizing the new version with "allah".
>>222475556Wait till bro finds out God is just a rebranding of the polytheistic Yahweh
>>222475583>he doesn't know what his own sources say about hubal KEK At least you do recognize YHWH is not the islamic allah and we have very different Gods.Well done.
>>222475694I don't have a God, mouthbreathing retard
>>222475583>muh polytheistic Dying of laughter right now. You think Christians don't discuss the collapse of the Canaanite pantheon into Jewish monotheism? How are you guys so retarded? You probably think Ashera is some kind of checkmate.Also, I'm quite Heiserian.
>>222475776Allah exists in the Arabic pantheon before the existence of Muhammad in Safaitic inscriptions, the Trinity your polytheistic religion worships doesn't even exist in your bible
>>222475886Again, retarded. With the same arguments you break islam kek. And read academic work on the subject? Boyarin? Barker? Segal? Trinitarianism was actually a perfectly natural iteration of something present in the second temple era (Jewish binitarianism) with ties going all the way back to the first temple period.
>>222475989No trinity in Islam bro Buddy finna discover the existence of the sky soon
>>222474866>not even full(eg. wave–particle duality)remove ai dashes before posting, it does not spark joy. I'll steelman this, you should've said quantum-physics because it's a classic talking point in philosophy. Wave-particle duality or "quantum physics" however doesn't contradict rules of logic. Conflating the need for finer models to capture observable physical behaviour with logical contradictions is a trick of sophistry. Such as the suppostion that something Is and Is Not in the same respect at the same time. If quantum physics actually did violate it wouldn't be a theory, just something unintelligible with no internal logical consistency.>You have a being existing outside of time, so how can you even apply the verb "to end" to it/Him?That wasn't my question, in and out time are just temporal statements. This is why the son is "eternally begotten". I was talking about the ability?>Coincidentia oppositorumdon't make statements like this. Even when they conflate the continent and unincontingent they're merely linguistic abstractions, they're not literal contradictions. It is the same as saying God is everywhere. "Is he literally everywhere, so is he creation?" Like in unqualified non-dualism? But no, he is everywhere in his Knowledge.>On another topic - did NCERT cancel history as a separate subject in Indian schoolsI have no idea. History is so boring.>I am not sure about the Islamic theology. In the Christian theology the answer is not, eg. evil itself is not a property of God but His absenceI was talking the union, the kenosis. The 100% man and 100% God, as defined by the creed at the council of chalcedon.
>>222470905The idol of mecca is the biggest site of pagan worship in the world. Worshipping Vishnu is less pagan than worshipping "Allah". It's just primitive.
>>222473560Not worshipping the saints and not believing in the trinity is contrary to logic.
>>222476420Another retard that thinks a cube is an image of Allah
>>222476454It's an idol regardless of what some dumbass sheikh tells you it represents. Whenever you stone the devil, you are worshipping the devil. Whenever you kiss the black stone, you are worshipping the devil.It's just a big Saturn/Moon cult. But since zuttists are just materialists pretending to be spiritual, and do not understand the structures behind the world, they don't see it.
Saturn cube just flew over my house and a bunch of tortured souls fell out
>>222476535>The term idol, usually pejorative in English (except in Indian English where it usually carries no hostile implication), is an image or representation of a god used as an object of worship,[1][2][3] while idolatry is the worship of an "idol" as though it were God.[4][5][6]Explain to me what visual quality of a cube is used to represent Allah? Do you think Muslims pray and imagine a cube same way you imagine an old man with a white beard?
>>222476588>Explain to me what visual quality of a cube is used to represent Allah?the cube is worshipped, simple as.
>>222476283>ai dashesHmm... what?>Wave-particle duality or "quantum physics" however doesn't contradict rules of logic.It proves that there are objects that cannot be described using traditional binary logic (you cannot definitely state what is the ultimate nature of light, for example, even though in one particular experiment the result is either wave or particle, and not, it's not "ai dash" or whatever), of course there are still multi-value logics that apply to those objects if you want to describe their "ultimate nature", but it nullifies any attempts to apply that classical Aristotelian logic to the ultimate beining (since you cannot even fully apply it to describe particular objects).>I was talking about the ability?But I meant pricely this - the opposition between "being able" and "being unable" is a typical dualistic approach. You cannot imagine any being that doesn't follow this rule of logic, but your psychological comfort, your sense of understanding, is irrelevant from the point of view of the ultimate being in this case.>don't make statements like thisI will and you cannot do anything about it.>History is so boring.no comment> was talking the union, the kenosis.I'm considering the issue from the structural point of view, not the historical one (supposedly histy is boring, after all). I don't care about historical concepts, but what concepts are possible at all. Old theologians had no idea about the physical nature of the universe, they had no notion of modern logic, way of reasonong etc. Also, they were bound by a particular set of textual resources that were the ultimate test of any reasoning.
>>222476693If the cube isn't an idol because it's not a representation of Allah, do you think that it's a god in and of itself? Like you have Allah and then you have a cube god? Maybe Allah, cube god and Muhammad, like a holy Trinity or something?
one think I've noticed is judaism has kabbalah and islam has sufismboth are believing in supernatural abd mysticismI don't believe any of thosebut it's a cool stuff in fiction or larp material
>>222476756who knows what brain gymnastics are performed inorder to worship a cube. People are seemingly willing to die for it and it is on the bucket list of every muslim to make the pilgrimage to the holy cube
>>222476579The cube being the shape of Saturn is a documented fact. It has the colour of Saturn so it isnt quite subtle about it.If you go around the cube, you are just worshipping material reality. You are worshipping a corpse. The inverse of Christianity, that worships the risen man.>>222476588It doesnt matter what ignorant Mohammedans think. Go trample over your fellow believers to kiss some stone some desert bandit kissed. It is a joke of a sanctuary for any learned Person and just emblematic of the Kali Yuga (the age of decline of divine presence in the material World)
>>222476815You are genuinely 80IQ
>>222476856Wont see my 80 IQ ass getting trampled inorder to hop around some stone.
>>222476853Ignorant Muhammedans understand your religion's basic concepts better than you. For instance they know what an idol actually is whilst, you make graven images of Mary and Jesus (who you purport to being a God btw), put them in the center of your places of worship, and literally pray to them
>>222476853Obviously they worship Saturn who is Satan same as jews and the black cube is a symbol of the gate to hell
>>222476984No they don't lol. They are just copying the Jew's cope and call it rationality. You are just obsessed with disproving the trinity because the came urine drinker thought it didnt make sense and your ancestors got cucked by the Turks>>222476990Yes. Both religions worship Saturnally strictly. Buddhists worship Mercurially. Christians worship jovially. God intended Jupiter to rule over Religion, so Christians are just in line with divine providence.
>>222477117Go worship the idol of Jesus bro
>>222477140I'm sure that Satan hates it when you throw stones at a depiction of him and that it doesnt make him more powerful
>>222475989>Have you red academic work on the subject?Have you? You missuse secondary sources like Benjamin Sommers, Alan Segel and Daniel Boyarin to prop this weird claim that nicaean trinitarianism was a natural evolution of Judaism, instead of a greco-roman hellinstic projection onto biblical text due to internal controversies. To your credit you memorised their names, but they only point out some inter-jewish theological disputes regarding interpretation of certain texts during later second-temple. Some interpretative strands were similar to logos theology. Where the Logos/faculty of knowledge was a semi-divine figure serving as an intermediary between the Might-High and Creation. Segal says,>Logos is equivalent with the intelligible world; but, because it can be hypostasized, the logos can also be viewed as a separate agent and called a godNow this is far from the nicaean orthodoxy, but in fact, Logos theology wasn't even the dominant singular view of early Judaism. It was rightly a later heresy. Amongst say, wisdom traditions, angelic mediators like Metatron and Memra.Boyarin quotes Abrams,>No one view dominated the spectrum of Jewish interpretions since the biblical text is the only frame for a wide variety of speculations (Two powers of Heaven)These sources even represented Justin the Martyr as a Logos Theologen, but not a Trinitarian, shaped by Middle Platonism. This is evident in this dialog with Trypho.Boyarin says, >many of these passages served as the origin and proof text for Logos Theology. As manifested in Justin martyrs dialog on nearly every page.Even Segal calls these traditions 'heretical interpretations' and innovations borrowing from hellenism. so how can this condemned minority speculation be the 'root' of the Trinity?>Both Christainity and Gnosticism arose out of Hellinstic and apocalyptic Judaism by sharing heretical traditions of scripture interpretation which speculated on a principal angelic mediator of God - Segel
>>222477262Not gonna read this shit. Islam is retarded and mohammad was a conman. After you finally reach the end of your wretched retarded existence and croak alone you are just gonna end up feeding the worms. End of
You will have 72 beautiful virgins but they will be completely dry so you won't do anything with them.They won't be ensouled just how you like them so they will be empty shells.You will get all the food you want but you won't have saliva so you won't be able to swallow a thing.You won't even be able to see either becauase your dried out eyes will hurt and itch if you open them.Saturn has told you how he will award you.Eternal torture perfectly fitting for a leacherous sandnigger that seeks control through religion.
>>222477258You think that Satan wrote "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image"?
>>222477262Contemporary christian apologetics try to claim an invisible continuity when even boyarin acknowledges the stark difference between logos and trinitarian theology, which only continued using the wording but stressed a deep discontinuity,>Nicaean Orthodoxy also affectively crucifies the Logos. While not ceasing to speak of the logos, in a move to trinitarian theology within which the entire trinity is both self contained and fully transcendent. Athanasius and his fellows insist God alone without a mediator, without an angle, without a Logos, is the sole creator.>Logos Theology is ultimately as thoroughly rejected in Nicaean Theology as rabbinic judaism (Two Powers of Heaven)None of these early jews were proto-trinitarian or binitarian theologists btw. "binitarian Judaism" itself is a modern scholarly abstraction. It's not a self-conscious movement in judaism. An actual rabbi would spit at someone for implying this. What the Nicaean creed actually arose from was 4th century Arianism, the pressure of internal controversies which dominated christian discourse, and posit the son NOT being co-eternal with the father, to harmonize biblical narratives. including "the Son not knowing the hour", and "the only true God is the father".All the Major pre-nicene fathers, like Justin Martyr, Oregion, and Ecclesiastical church writers like Tertulian, the one who coined the term "trinitas" had this subordationist view. Justin Martyr even says, "only the Father is unbegotten and incorruptable, and therefore he's God"Iranaeous, who learned from polycarp, who learned from John (gospel) says a Jesus in his divinity has less knowledge, and that father excels in knowledge. Eusebius was excommunicated by the council people try to tie him to. Theopholos and Terutlian believed "there was a time the father was alone and through an act of divine will he generated the son" and that "there was a time the Son didn't exist".
>>222468565Not really to it's credit desu senpai
>>222477333Saturn took over Islam early in its history. He made it his religion. He did so by divine providence. Islam is a punishment for people who have abandoned God. It is not wonder that the materialist west is crumbling to the Planet of Material itself.Mercy does not exist in Saturn. He views the Europeans as weak morons who thought that equality would do anything but elevate weak and feminine men who then would let women in. He views Mohammedans as ignorant almost soulless cattle who create inbred freaks not fit to survive and desertify half of the world. Saturn rules over winter and islam is spiritual winter.
>>222467183It's just judaism but open to converts
>>222477392The 325AD council debate was spearheaded by Athanasius and the Cappadocian fathers, at the behest of Constantine wanting to expunge heresies and unite the Roman empire under a comon doctrine. It tries to define the son and father in terms of relational ontology, as for the spirit people didn't know whether he was, a creature or what (until constantinople)It ended up with homooseua/same essense, but these catagories like hypostastis, ousia, consubstantiality were greek metaphysical constructs/mysticism employed to make 3 Gods into One to maintain jewish monotheism. They don't exist in jewish torah exegetical traditions. The trinity itself is very hard to derive from OT, without serious leg-work.Let's take the genesis account for example, "and the spirit of God howered above" this in hebrew was ruach Elohim, talking about God's spirit and powers of creation; not another seperate operator or being. Likewise, the 'And God said, 'Let us make man in our image' this is a simply a plural of majesty. Whenever "Elohim" refers to the God of Israel, it is always paired with a singular verb. For example, the first verse of the Bible reads Bereshit bara [singular verb] Elohim. And the rest are the same, certainly the Jews didn't interpret their text this way for thousands of years.You should use the work of these authors to simply assert "early jews were more open to pluralistic depictions" but does having two figures ever entail a co-equal, co-eternal relational ontology? For example, Muslims also believe in the spirit (Gabriel), the word (Jesus) and God. Are their internal relationships the same as yours? In Judaism, God is and was always always absolutely one. The secondary characters are created agents. Angelic Mediation is never the same as ontological identity. Agency is never shared essence. But i ask, If this was just the organic continuation of Jewish belief, why did the early Church itself fracture so violently over it?
>>222477392What people who are not members of the clergy have to say about the matters of their religion is completely irrelevant. Clergy inherited their doctrine from the apostles. The trinity is thus the view of the apostles and their master
>>222477304Don't stress, I'm familiar with your mental faculties. it was written only for the spanish evangelical.
>>222477642True, this is actually a respectable position to take. Misusing scholars to strawman, like saying ernman says "the bible is corrupted" then trying to discredit that is wrong. That's actually not his position, it's more nuanced than that.
The cosmic truth is that a primordial magma titaness peed out the iron that became Earth's core and mantleAnd a smaller water colossusess visited Earth in ancient times once the mantle cooled and dust had accreted, and pissed out the water that became the oceans etcBut you fucking goyims aren't ready to face the facts
>>222467288the fact that the leader of LDS Mormonism openly claims to talk to God like a living prophet, and therefore regularly changes the theology according to what he thinks is advantageous at the moment, makes the religion very flexible and adaptive. After the civil rights act was passed, the Mormon leader talked with God, and was very conveniently told to change the theology to not be discriminatory towards black people. This avoided legal trouble with the government.You see a lot of leaders among Muslims and regular Christians who are way more progressive than their theology; and they are obviously hamstrung by it. Scientology seems pretty strong, like Mormonism, because its leadership are cynical non-believers. They have been since its founding. Just like Joseph Smith, the obvious grifter, L Ron Hubbard had never believed in the religion that he founded.
