>What language(s) are you learning?>Ask questions about your target language!>Help people who want to learn a new language!>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!>Do not reply to the Jordanian!>Make frens!**Comprehensible Input Wiki**https://comprehensibleinputwiki.org/wiki/Main_PageRead the wiki:https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_WikiUseful links:>Free language‐learning book archive:https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw>Books on linguistics and language courses:https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by familyhttps://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/>/lang/ inpoot torrentshttps://rentry.org/inpoot>Refold Anki deckshttps://rentry.org/refold>Non-English piracy siteshttps://fmhy.net/non-englishPrevious Thread: >>222797469
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku_iDthkDnw
Finally found Avatar (the cartoon) in Norwegian
>>222877902
>>222878219Where? Post it.
>>222877902Why does my brain always want to learn a different language instead of just sticking to one?
>>222878677Valde rideo
>>222879430for me it's ADHD and the thrill of quick and easy gains early on with each language
I feel weird telling people I spend most of my free time learning a language. Actually, I feel weird sharing any of my interests. Anyone else like this?
i'm aussie despite current flag. i've learnt pashto and arabic and i'm learning persian currently. worked in afghanistan for 2 years and want to go back soon to pursue emerald trading, but not sure how.
>>222879648It's a good hobby. Most people just doomscroll on TikTok for hours.
>>222879637I'm forcing myself to learn Japanese because I think it's worth it in the end, and I don't want to be a dabbler, but although there's a bunch of content in the language, it does everything possible to discourage you. Were I learning Spanish or French I'd be mostly conversational by now.
>>222879691>lives in GeorgiaHave you considered learning Georgian?
>>222879704There’s nothing more rewarding than seeing a bunch of kanji and suddenly realizing you know what they mean.
>>222879755just visiting. georgian seems fucking difficult.
>>222879818I still feel like the absence of cognates makes it a lot harder. You have to work uphill when learning Japanese. I keep failing Anki cards over and over again. Meanwhile from my previous French studies a long time ago I can understand (written) Spanish, Portuguese, etc to some degree.
>>222879648same with me, most of my time is language practice. i think it's cool to be autistically obsessed with something, particularly if you're doing it with a fruitful end goal in sight. also>>222879648>Actually, I feel weird sharing any of my interests.likewise, i fucking hate telling people about what i'm doing or what i like. i feel like a kid being asked by a parent's friend or something, or like a funny little clown
>>222879846Every language is difficult. No language is hard.
>>222879910I dunno man tonal languages seem pretty hard
>>222879876I've thought about learning multiple languages at the same time, but I still think it's too early for me to do that
>>222877902Literally me
>>222879648Most people don’t give a shit about my hobbies and think they’re boring. I just keep it to myself unless I know someone shares the same interests as me. I don’t feel weird though. Like another anon said, most normies just doomscroll or watch sportsball and don’t have any hobbies. I don’t care if someone like that thinks I’m weird.
>>222877902bump
>>222879876Cognates/loan words is such a huge factor. I know all the common use kanji and a good chunk of rare ones, grammar is a non issue and I know somewhere up to like 15-20k words. When I have a problem understanding something it's usually due to unknown vocabulary. So my experience is that the first two factors are a barrier to entry while the third is an endless grind.Meanwhile I'm not sure if I should laugh or cry about how quickly I'm picking up on French. I'm very well read in English litterature so all those rare literary terms of French of Latin origin make even advanced topics very approachable and I've only been half assing this for about a year at this point.
>>222878944It's in Swedish toohttps://pastebin.com/3cw0uPms
Keeeek. This is from 1936
>>222884127Seems like it expired? Or you posted the link wrong, idk.Yeah, I was wondering about the Swedish version, but Norwegian version is also useful when I eventually decide to learn it.
based on these threads who is the most studious flag?
>>222885506https://pastebin.com/6yJ7H8BW>>222885940France, they never post because they're too busy studying
>>222884127Go for old, more obscure anime for cheese kino. Here's a Danish guy doing a Swedish dub without always having the best grasp of Swedish, in addition to great source material: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ5fTV3yc84
>>222885506That one guy who mastered chinese is single-handedly carrying the UK flag
>>222885940Jordan, of course.>>222886018Thank you. Really great find with this nordic torrent site.
>>222886043Thanks. I'm not learning Swedish, but I was learning Norwegian many years ago since I did erasmus there. So I'm always looking for content in case I decide to revive it. Also interested in Icelandic.>>222886239Bare hyggelig
My listening comprehension is humbled by this children's cartoon, but it's watchable. I did the math, and watching all three seasons should net me ~23.38 hours of inpoot. That, plus the audiobook I'm going through, should keep me busy for a while.
It's the last week before vacation so not too much to do, and not very many people around. I can just sit in my office and read a novel in peace to kill the time. So many extra hours of input maxxing, every week should be like this.
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>>222886323Icelandic classic that used to be shown in schools here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l5N1XTTEps. A Swedish (Scandinavian?) stereotype is that Icelandic is just Swedish with everything ending in -ur, and the "tungur knivur" (tung kniv, heavy knife) doesn't help.
https://maldivesindependent.com/society/disappearing-dhivehi-why-a-generation-of-children-cant-speak-to-their-grandparents-ce82https://maldivesindependent.com/explainer/disappearing-dhivehi-what-the-research-actually-says-c1fa
>>222891888>don’t speak lang to kids growing up>they can’t speak langWhy do people who speak minority languages and immigrants always assume their kids will automatically speak without effort? I saw this all the time with spic/chink moms freaking out at their latinx kids in school for not speaking Spanish/Chinese/Korean/etc. well after they only spoke English at home for the first 15 years of their life. It’s like the average person just has no concept of the future.
>>222891997>average person just has no concept of the future.grim
>>222891997>>222892029Maybe language influences this way of thinking? Like the distinction between the present and the future and its impact on saving?https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/the-language-we-speak-predicts-saving-and-health-behavior
>>222892029average person probably couldn't tell you what they had for breakfast yesterday, let alone thinking of the future
>learning a completely pointless foreign language for no reason
>>222894235>no reasonTo LARP
>>222894185But this is me, although my brain is fried from years of depression
>>222892029Specifically with kids, parents tend to have massive identity-based blind spots and cognitive dissonance. So they tend to just take culture for granted the more integrated into the culture they are. Basically, no one cares more that his kids speak Chinese than the 1st generation immigrant, and no one will put less effort in.
>>222894185What are you talking about? I didn't eat breakfast yesterday.
>>222894235>for no reasonfor FUN :3 The only reason to learn any language as they are all (basically) useless
>>222891745That looks cool as fuck, saved thanks
why don't you guys post in your TL once in a while? the only people doing so are the esperautists and latinanon
>>222901130I suck at outputting at extreme levels
>>222901130Others don't respond to them. I've only seen replies in German and Chinese.
>>222901130Certe possum, sed non possum bene scribere Latine, quamquam lingua Latina non tam difficilis est quam putabam. Adhuc multa verba nescio, itaque non tam facile est Latine scribere quam tu putas.
>>222901130i should and i'll put in some more effort, it's only right. i need to read a lot more as well since trying to put down complex thoughts to paper feels like a challenge atm without more exposure to sentence structures and actual input
>>222877902Is there any reason to learn Portugal's Portuguese instead of Brazils?
>>222883390>know somewhere up to 15-20k wordsAnon that’s just called knowing the language.
>>222879876This language does everything to discourage you. No real cognates (even the Katakana loanwords are hard to get), thousands of characters witb multiple different readings, completely alien grammar, pitch accent, no speakers around you, terrible community. The only good thing is that there's a lot of content in it.
>>222902016ego quoque non possum latine bene scribere, non solus es. vidistine certamen inter cfa et belgium? non vidi at audio valde malum esse.
Why should I learn French?
>>222905702to read epic medieval romances
>>222905702To speak to hundreds of millions of Africans
>>222906118>重庆I did a double take the first time I saw it on a map
>>222904394Sort of. Reading the kind of novel that's on your typical best seller list is fairly easy, but serious litterature or classical works still require several look ups per page. Domain specific vocab is another problem, for example I'm clearly very lacking is vocabulary relating to naval warfare.I'll probably need several more years of daily reading to get really good to be honest.>>222905702Besides from having top tier litterature French will give you a deeper appreciation for the English language. It's the little things like parachute from the French chute to fall, or how words have diverged in meaning after they were loaned to English. For example how donjon became dungeon along with the shift in meaning is quite fascinating.
>Start Skyrim in German on Xbox One.>The very first sentence is in Old German with ‚Ihr da‘ (you there) instead of ‚Sie da‘. Great. I‘m going to learn Old German.
Instead of asking what language you should learn, try telling us why we should learn YOUR first langauge (unless it is english).
>>222906993my language is being replaced in old time
>>222907874*in real time
Watching the World Cup makes me want to abandon Japanese for Spanish
>>222907936why?
>>222907965Something that it made me realize is that because Japanese is spoken in one country, they can region block everything. You can't do that with Spanish. Spanish is more useful overall too. But I don't want to quit
>>222906993Well if you're considering something like Swedish it's not because it's the biggest language with the most media or reach, you're probably interested in Scandinavian culture and are considering which of the languages to learn.Swedish is the largest of the Scandinavian languages with about as many speakers as Norwegian and Danish combinedIt's the official language of two countries, with it also being a recognized minority language in Finland. Swedish is a very standardized language, if you can understand Swedish as spoken on the TV you can understand people from all over the country, unlike Norwegian where they have a new dialect in every valley.If you learn one of the three languages you likely won't be able to understand the other two as a second language learner (unless you're like lived in the country for a couple of decades advanced) but you'll have a massive advantage on learning them.Lot's of litterature with a comfy melancholy yet wonderous vibe. Crime novels too if that's your thing I guess...And finally it's as easy as it gets for an English speaker when it comes to a foreign language, you'll be reading classical litterature by the time you're struggling to read a menu in Chinese.
>>222908245Tack for the effort-post.>>222907874But that's most languages.Make sure you insist on speaking dhivehi with your aailaa & rattehin and avoid defaulting to english to keep your language alive.
>>222908599but i want it replaced
>>222877902I'm learning GermanI'm already B2 certified but im still clueless and can't understand people, especially on the phonewhat do
>>222908245You could have mentioned many film classics and music industry
>>222910445If you got B2 you're way ahead of me. When did you start? I need to get gud at German, I'm already going to triple my anki cards.
>>222901130Tha mi dona agus chan eil sibh a’ bruidhinn Gàidhlig.
>>222906993Saying why we should learn your TL would be better imo
>>222910445I'm curious about how well you understand spoken German in other contexts, like can you turn on a film and watch it comfortably?>>222910557That's true but I barely ever watch Swedish film so it didn't cross my mind.
>>222905548vero numquam hunc ludum spectohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_gFY6U1B6Y
>>222906682>serious litterature or classical works still require several look ups per page.This is often the case for many native speakers that aren’t highly educated. Or well read.
>>222914600i see this with many native english speakers
>>222906993You shouldn't. I couldn't think of a bigger waste of time and energy. Seriously, there is nothing worthwhile to experience here. We produce nothing except reality TV and turbo folk music.>>222908245Based. Learn Swedish y'all.>>222907936Watching the WC makes me want to dabble in Norwegian, but it's too early, I need to master Swedish first.>>222910445Interesting. You wouldn't be able to pass the Listening part of the test if you didn't understand people, so I'm guessing you just have an issue with casual speech? Watch more reality-based content where there are more unscripted interactions or they interview people. Livestreams on Twitch are good for that as well.>>222905702The literature, cinema, animation, comics, food, history... not so much the people, the people are DOGSHIT, but everything else about France is pretty cool. They are probably going to win the World Cup with their team of Africans and burn down Paris again.
>>222877902gem
>>222915153>reality TV and turbo folk music.Holy smokes I need to learn Serbian immediately. What kind of reality TV kino is in Serbian?
>>222915153>not so much the people, the people are DOGSHIT,I have never met a rude or totally unlikeable Frenchman
>>222915457I don't really watch TV in general but when I decide to browse through the channels, it's usually:>pimps and whores in a mini city (sort of like a big brother variant with more scale and no script)>pimps and whores on a farm (another variant)>dysgenic retards marry blind i.e. they meet and see each other for the first time at the alter and only have like 5 minutes to decide (some of them go through with it, others have a very visible disgust reaction to each other)>dysgenic retards from the countryside looking for a wife, spends a day with a potential candidate (the woman is usually fairly normal but the dudes are always weird), they also air his phone number publicly but i'm guessing they mostly get trolled>poor family with a dozen kids needs a house so we build it for them (tries to be wholesome but it's just cringe misery porn and they guilt-trip people into working and giving free materials, sometimes they react badly to that)>every month the rich owner of the biggest TV channel Pink goes and gives some money to a poor family (recording gets aired for a week on repeat between commercials and other shit. again, tries to be wholesome but it's just cringe misery porn, just give them the money in private and stop virtue signaling...)If that sounds appealing, then yeah, you should learn it. 24 hours of this crap gets aired every day.
>>222915153>You shouldn't. I couldn't think of a bigger waste of time and energy. Seriously, there is nothing worthwhile to experience here. We produce nothing except reality TV and turbo folk music.b-b-but what if i want to travel the balkans
>>222916012Over the years, I remember some other ones:>two hosts compete to find a random person on the street that will accept going on a paid vacation, when someone accepts they follow them home so they get their passport and pack a bag and they go to the airport immediately. sometimes they are working people so they guilt-trip the boss into giving them time off. or if they have a partner or something, to let them go. i actually didn't mind this one, hilarity ensues as they try to get ready before the time limit.>people take a polygraph and then go on tv to answer embarrassing questions about their life, if they answer everything truthfully they make some money. of course they pick the weirdest people for shock factor.>people sign up for a free DNA paternity test, but they have to talk about their life. again, mostly done by dysgenic retards with no shame and of course, gypsies.>private detectives that investigate cheaters or other stuff, then confront everyone publicly. i remember one episode a girlfriend put cameras in her apartment and went on a trip and her boyfriend was cheating on her with a plastic doll. it might have been one of those fake scripted ones but idk.>>222916387Then enjoy your 10 day vacation and go home. No need to learn the language, you aren't missing anything.
>my flagforgot I was using my V** for netflix slop inputting>>222916424anon learning "useless" languages is the only thing i have left please dont tell me the truth.
>>222901130其实我原来不经常来这里,不要说用我在学习的语言发什么贴。但是你的想法是很不错的!
bump
assimilation is the only way
it's funny how english is already repeating jespersen's cyclei don't have a car -> i don't/ain't got no carwhen will we ditch do-support in negation, I wonder?
>>222921213>assimil mentioned
>>222921602>EnglishI think you mean southern low-class speak or nigger speak. These people have talked like this for centuries, don’t misrepresent it as some inevitability you pseud.
certamen pedifollii miraculosissimum inter argentinam et aegyptum hodie vidi; una hora praeterierat antequam spectare coepi et mox alium follem per portam aegyuptus pulsavit at hic illegitimus erat et eiectus est ab arbitro. si istud punctum non invertissent, messi se et turmam suam ad victoriam incitare potuisset
>>222921909>talked like this for centurieswhy hasnt this solved itself
>>222910935like two years ago, I went to an intensive class for half a year A1-B1 then another half year for B2.I never used anything other than that.>>222912878I haven't actually tried, maybe I should, but I'm not sure where to look for films in German or shows or such, cause all my usual streaming sites are in English and torrenting is difficult in Germany.>>222915153>you wouldn't be able to pass the listening testyeah German in the class and German in reality is very different, the vocabulary is colloquial speech is not the same but on a higher level it's also not the same cause they use more complex words, like calling into a government answering machine is just impossible, it says so many things so fast I have no chance to understand anything.
>>222923590>I'm not sure where to look for films in German or showshttps://serienstream.to/https://kinoger.com/https://aniworld.to/
>>222923590How intensive was the class? I can hardly believe 2 years of classes is enough to get B2. You said two half-year classes but 2 years, what did you do for the other year?
Learn Norsk
>>222912166Gaelic naEiren or Gaelic naAlba?
Sie heißen ihn ‚Messe-Schmidt‘, weil er die heilige Messe gern hat.
>>222922127illum ludum tuum rideo
>>222925172I recently gave up learning Norwegian to fall into a spiral of dabbling, but I won’t go back to learning the language unless I set foot on their soil at least once. Most of my cultural fascinations have faded away after meeting people from those cultures, so I won’t take up a niche language unless I make friends with a native speaker. Cool language though, I recommend it.
>>222901130僕の犬が宿題を食べた
>>222894235distracts me from my otherwise miserable life
am I doomed if I want to learn russian so I can be a little less lost during an orthodox mass?
>>222926110Do you only have Orthodox Masses in Russian?
>>222925554Gàidhlig na h-Alba
>>222922127>>222925839>portam aegyptusId mihi iocosus est.
>>222926110There is like a billion of resources for russian.
>>222925982大変だねそのことはいつも起こる
>>222901130Heu! Ploro, quod nescas III homines in hoc filo, qui latine scribere, esse. Ecce amice, unus tamen ex illis sum.
Sed, fortasse cum appellare quendam hominem “latinanon” conatus es, me vero appelavisti.
>>222926681where I live yes, sadly
>>222927211I’m Catholic, but you can get the Psalms of David in Metre (8888, 8686, etc.) in Scots Gaelic from the Free Church of Scotland online bookshop, but not on Sundays. If it’s anything like the 1650 Church of Scotland Psalms in Metre in English, it’ll be great fun: you can sing Psalms to the tunes of national anthems.
1 hour of input with psychedelics = 10 hours of input without psychedelics
>>222931334From new years of 2015 to January 14th I did LSD 3 times and proceeded to lose the next 4 years of my life to psychosis. This event lead to me getting a GED diploma and being put on disability.I could have been a psychologist (8y degree) in Japan by now.
>>222931483skill issue
i found this article탈북민을 다룬 영화나 다큐멘터리는 대개 국경을 넘는 긴박한 탈출 과정이나 한국에 도착하는 극적인 순간에 초점을 맞춘다. 하지만 한국과 덴마크가 공동제작한 영화 '하나 코리아'는 다르다.탈북 과정보다 한국에서 어떻게 새로운 삶을 시작하는지에 시선을 맞춘다. 탈출보다 '정착'이 이 영화의 출발점이다.8일 개봉하는 이 영화에서 배우 김민하는 20대를 갓 넘긴 양강도 출신 탈북 여성 혜선을 연기했다. '파친코'에서 젊은 선자를 연기하며 주목을 받았던 그가 이번에는 낯선 사회에서 살아남기 위해 하루하루를 버텨내는 인물로 분했다.then en-hanja-ified it脫北民을 다룬 映畵나 다큐멘터리는 大槪 國境을 넘는 緊迫한 脫出 過程이나 韓國에 到着하는 劇的인 瞬間에 焦點을 맞춘다. 하지만 韓國과 덴마크가 共同製作한 映畵 '하나 코리아'는 다르다.脫北 過程보다 韓國에서 어떻게 새로운 삶을 始作하는지에 視線을 맞춘다. 脫出보다 '定着'이 이 映畵의 出發點이다.8日 開封하는 이 映畵에서 俳優 金敏夏는 20代를 갓 넘긴 兩江道 出身 脫北 女性 惠善을 演技했다. '파친코'에서 젊은 善子를 演技하며 注目을 받았던 그가 이번에는 낯선 社會에서 살아남기 爲해 하루하루를 버텨내는 人物로 扮했다.then hand-wrote the whole thing for fun. SO FUN!! :DDDabsolute waste of time. it DOESN'T HELP with korean learning whatsoever. it's just fun!
>>222931964i wish they still used hanjawould help with morphological disambiguation and would give more transfer with chinese and japanese
>>222931964>then en-hanja-ified itNice now I can suddenly understand half of it. I seems like Korean really has a good chunk of Chinese loan words, which isn't surprising but is still interesting to see. I also find it fun to read about Korean stuff in the Japanese news and getting a phonetic transcription of a name and then explanatory kanji next to it in brackets. Seeing things like the san in place names being 山 is cool.Do you already know Chinese or Japanese or are you just learning the characters characters for fun?
>>222930167I thought there would be more Romanian, Greek, and Armenian Orthodox churches in France but I was wrong.
>>222932477Google AI says Paris has churches from all 6 liturgical rites of the Catholic Church.
>>222932402nice yeah asian writing is always a fun challengenah i only know a tiny bit of chinese and japanese and just like doing hanja for fun>>222932125i like it too
>>222932402how can u read it btw, is japanese your TL?
Does anyone knows any Italian or Spanish (preferably Euro Spanish) anime streaming sites?>>222932820Yeah, but we're talking about the Orthodox Church. And he doesn't have to be from Paris.
I vibe-coded an mpv plugin that generates anki audio cardshttps://gitgud.io/Portuni/mpvaggot
>>222933878 I can read most of the stuff that is written in hanja since I'm litterate in Japanese and the characters carry over their meaning even if they're read differently. Some characters are too different from their Japanese counterparts for me to recognize, but most of them are similar enough. Also a lot of the words like 過程 女性 開封 I'm already familiar with, and for others like 脫北民 I can make an educated guess that it may have something to do with someone from north korea.
>>222879648I made up a fake friend i was visiting so i could go and do a german exam i didint want my family to know i dont know why its not like they are against it.
>>222906993If you care to read the epics, they are unique in that they are sung, performed, and written in the same way ancient epics were composed.Wayching them being performed in the closest you could get to how an ancient greek would have experienced the odyssey, for instance. What's more, the morality comes from those ancient times, even though most of the epics were actually created during the late medieval period and Turkish occupation. So they offer a strange mix of ancient narrative structures and moral frameworks applied to newer times and contexts. Imagine if diomed had a musket and you get veljko etc.They are very hard to translate into english so to get it you have to learn the language.Other then that honestly useless for both in bussines and personal life
>jap/chinese learners want to re-burden koreans with an obtuse writing system made for another language that takes hundreds of hours to learn and they already got rid off because they can sort of understand what an article is about without being able to read it but not reallyi think it's probably akin to 'reading' a comic book without being able to read any of the words. it sounds plausible that you might be able to understand it but when you're tested on it you realize you didn't actually understand much at all
>>222934984A lot of Koreans are still required to learn a full set of Hanja in school and some formal texts still use them.
>>222930629Thanks for the suggestion. I’m still in the beginner stage but it wouldn’t hurt to input some reading. Now that I think of it, there’s a bible app with basically every language version of the bible and Scottish Gaelic has 10 versions on there (Irish has 10 too). Probably not a bad way to input with these languages.
>>222934222>Spanishhttps://www3.hdfull.one/You need an account but it usually has both Euro and Latam dubs if they exist.>Italianhttps://www.animeworld.ac/This one seems okay.You can find more sites herehttps://fmhy.net/non-english#streaming-4
>>222934225Oops forgot to make it public
>>222934225It’s weird to think how cards I mined from context, reviewed a few times, and then deleted, are still in my memory, but cards from prebuilts stick way more haphazardly. But then the act of mining is so annoying and joyless to me, even having to hit a hotkey ruins input for me, whereas I can actually consistently adhere to a prebuilt deck.
>>222937070Thanks. I also found animeunity for Italian. Not sure is it safe or not though
With kissanime seemingly not working for me and hianime being dead, where do I go now?
>>222939231outside
>>222939231Aniworld for anime in German, anime-sama in French. In Italian and Spanish above
>>222934984hanja would unironically make it easier to learn even if you had no prior knowledge of kanjiiit usually takes years to be able to decipher basic high-frequency words due to stem alterations, so consistent symbols for words would be much easier to read.unfortunately for that same reason there isn't yet any easy program that can convert hangul into hanja since no program can can safely detect the right word.
damn Persian reminds me of German or some shithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3MQXAlTdXw
>>222941801Steve?
>>222938463mining changed my life unironicallyI mine everything now, even things that aren't language related
>>222942558Tell us more
I'm learning Latin, I will learn German (likely begin after I finish Roma Aeterna, so around January or February) and some time later French. Maybe Ancient Greek after French too
>>222939756I’m learning nip. So eng subs or no subs.
>>222944314nyaa.si is your friend you'll find just about anything Japanese media related there
>>222934984>jap/chinese learners want to fix korean with a proper writing systemYes. They may not understand yet but it's for their own good.
>>222944952wasnt the whole transition because the korean masses at the time were poor and uneducated? its clearly different now
>>222944314Anicrush maybe?
>>222879648I hate telling people what I like and do aswell, I think it's just a defense mechanism since people shit on those who have actual hobbies and interests that deviate from the norm
>>222944952English should use hanzi desu. Every language should.
>>222916387The Serb anon is right, all you need to know here is a few words, slurs and people will treat you like some celebrity, especially if you're a black guy or some far away ethnicity
>>222945081It only works for Chinese and languages with 50% Chinese loanwords (so Japanese Korean and Vietnamese)
>>222923748I'll check it thanks.>>222925045nothing, just hung out. so it was learning for 1 year in total.I was waiting for a long time to get the approval for B2 also to find a class for it.and in the beginning before any classes there was a lot of bureaucracy for other things.the class was 4 hours every day. no weekends obviously. so it's a year of 5x4h a week.
>>222945695人 is perfectly portable into English anon.
>>222946056How do you say people then retard
>>222945943So, 52 weeks x 5 days x 4 hours = 1040 hours in total. That tracks with the FSI numbers, where German usually takes an average of 900 classroom hours to reach B2-like proficiency.But you didn't do any studying outside of class? Preparation for the exam?
>>222946104人s
>>222946253didn't really have energy for it... or homework.didn't sleep much either. almost shit myself at one of the exams from stress.despite it, somehow A1-B1 I did like 98%, B2 was job/business-B2 class and it was rough so I think it was like 60 or 70. I never expected results this good but I guess knowing english helps a lot, Ukrainian and Russian also have a lot of German words in it. a LOT of people in my class failed B2. the most difficult part was in the hearing test where you had to write down info given over a phone call, I don't think anyone got any points on that part.ironically in every exam speaking part was the easiest for me. it's a lot easier to say things than to understand things, cause you can always try to explain something in simpler terms, but when someone speaks and you just flat out don't know the words, you can only rely on context, and that only takes you so far.I really want to go through all the study materials from the beginning, but I'm really burned out cause of the living situation (I'm a Ukrainian refugee so I'm in a container camp, and the neighbours are not very culturally compatible, it's frustrating).I did prepare a bit for the politics and history test, but that was very easy and I don't remember literally anything from it anymore.
starting the Language Transfer (French) again, this time for real
>>222877902I'm learning Japanese after my trip there last month. I'm using Japanese From Zero series and it's definitely the best resource I've found so far. The integrated workbook helps.
>>222946814did you buy the books?
>>222947092I bought the first one yeah. I have the second one being delivered. I didn't want to buy them all at once in case I didn't like it, but the repetition and each book being one aspect of the language (hiragana, katakana, kanji) is cool. Making you write the hiragana you just learned over and over for different words helps memorisation.
>>222946651Well, you did pretty well all things considered. I've been at it for almost 4 years (probably 1300h+) and I find reading and listening pretty effortless because that's basically all I did since the beginning, but speaking and writing are still a challenge for me.If you want to improve your listening, just start watching YouTube, tv shows, movies, anime, listen to an interesting podcast, the news etc. It really just takes practice and putting in the hours. You're at a level where you don't have to put in too much effort to get further gains.
>>222946104>>222946515>adferrentur>过来nturSicut kana. Fortasse Lingua Sinica equidem lingua futuris sit.
>>222947182I have a lot of gaps in grammar and vocabulary but yeah.that's how I learned english, just hung out on the internet and youtube and 4chan.kind of only consume media in english. not sure how to switch to german media like that, cause back then england ah media was many tiers above ukrainian or russian stuff, but now german stuff is just dubs and some yt channels I don't really have interest in, so its kind of a chore... if you have any recs would appreciate
>>222947568If you like English media, just watch dubs, the voice acting is pretty high quality and your brain doesn't really care, it will help with listening. I've basically stopped consuming content in English because there's always a German dub available on the same day as the original release. Anime dubs are also pretty good, for whatever reason not cringey like English dubs.As for German produced media specifically, some stuff that I enjoyed:>seriesDarkBabylon BerlinDas Boot (2018)Achtsam MordenViktor Bringt'sKleoDogs of BerlinBarbarians>moviesEr ist wieder daDer Untergang>podcastsEasy German Podcast (a learner podcast, but it's native level and the topics are German-related)Hobbylos - not sure how to describe it, but it's just two dudes talking and sharing funny life storiesMordlust - true crimeGameStar - gaming newsLanz & Precht - current events and random philosophy topicsYou can find other popular podcasts in Germany by category here: https://podcastcharts.byspotify.com/de/top-podcasts>youtubeSimplicissimus - video essays on interesting topics2 Bored Guys - ^Ultralativ - ^Cinema Strikes Back - movies/tv shows reviewsMrWissen2Go - explains current eventsSandRhoman Geschichte - history videosJules & Jules der II - over-edited video essays related to memes and German culture, pretty funnytomatolix - investigative journalism? spends a day as a police officer or red district prostitute etc.ZDF Magazin Royale - news-satire like John Oliver, pretty left-leaning but entertaining enoughZDF heute-show - ^
>>222945161>The Serb anon is right, all you need to know here is a few words, slurs and people will treat you like some celebrity, especially if you're a black guy or some far away ethnicitygrim. I believe Croatia is one of the countries in Europe with extremely high English proficiency, so for someone who wants to go there for travel, i imagine you can get pretty far in typical tourist destinations by just knowing english. that said, croatia sounds really cool to me and i'd like to spend some more time in balkans countries as i know some people who live in that region. im not sure it will ultimately be worth spending the time on it, but i will hopefully be glad with the results of learning the language...some day in a very distant future.
How do you teach english if you have intense social anxiety
>>222948970Teaching will always require some amount of public speaking and with languages specifically, you're sort of expected to do a lot of student interaction. If you're better with people one-on-one then you can do private tutoring. Or if you don't mind presenting to an imaginary audience, you could do YouTube videos, but I'm not sure how profitable that is, considering most of these teachers just use the content to funnel people into their expensive private courses.
>>222942934I just have a general sort of life mining deck that I put whatever in. Literally just anything - names I would otherwise forget, birthdays, remembering what to do in x situation, literally anything you can imagine you put it in the mining deck and are guaranteed to never forget it
>>222946814If had to recommend a japanese-learning channel it'd be thishttps://www.youtube.com/@iroironanihongo/videos
Does anyone have that one visual roadmap on how to learn French? I've seen the one for German get posted here frequently.
>>222949511This one?
>>222949556I remembered it as being more elaborate lol. Thanks nonetheless.
>>222949607It's either pic related, or you're misremembering because I made the German one and the Spanish equivalent, but never got around to making a French version (it would largely be the same resources btw.)
>>222948362thanks my digga
What’s this like?
>>222947568Media was one of my main reasons for choosing to learn Japanese even if others see it as a useless language. I can't imagine putting that much effort into German. Even the literature, there's good German literature for sure, but a lot of it seems kind of "dry" somehow, I've even heard of Germans choosing to read Hegel in English instead of their native language. I could change my opinion one day though
The only valid reason to learn a language is to larp. Do you want to larp as a nazi chud or do you want to larp as le epic last samurai chud? Don’t like those? Larp as le epic Jacobin French revolutionary chud. That’s all it is. That’s all this is.
>>222950370All of life is larp
>>222950329id learn Japanese for that too.im learning German cause I moved to Germany. can't move to a different country and not speak the language.
>>222950498I don't mean to imply your reasons for it aren't valid or anything
>>222950370Anyone else just not have a reason? I don't know why I learn languages. I guess I enjoy it? But a lot of the time it's kind of tedious and difficult... It's just something inside me says "that's good, keep going" and I keep grinding. Wish I had whatever this is for other more useful and more easily monetizable activities, but you don't get to pick your autistic special interest.
Are TL subs really that bad as the ALG cultists claim?
>>222950629Yeah, I'm kind of like that. I just think it's cool to know multiple languages.
>>222950629From what I've seen, you can maybe maintain at most 5 languages at a very high (like C2 level) throughout your life. In my opinion you should be very careful and deliberate picking the languages you learn. Some people will disagree but it's a bad idea to be "I'm gonna learn Kazakh for the hell of it">>222950645I usually just try to understand what's being said and only toggle them if I don't. Listening comprehension is difficult but a lot of it is just a lack of vocabulary to begin with
>>222950329This is why I read Latin
>>222950629I think I really like language learning because it’s a grind. It really comes down to repeating pretty simple tasks and doesn’t require complex judgment or discernment. You’re just doing something over and over until it sticks and becomes natural, whether it’s listening, writing, talking, whatever. It’s just about how many hours you grind these things. I think that’s why I like working out too. Like language learning, there are debates about the most optimized way to do it, but it comes down to the repetition of simple things and eventually seeing a result. I think this says more about me than anything, but I also love work tasks that are a simple, repetitive grind. A lot of my job requires complex professional judgment, but I think I would’ve been happier in another life if I just did something like data entry for a living.
i hate formal learning i just don't the capacity while also wageslaving
>Abrissbirne>demolition+pear>wrecking ball pretty funny
>>222950629I do it as a character building ritual since I coasted through academics my whole life and intelligence gives a negligible benefit with language learning so I have to actually be diligent. There’s a purity in it.
>>222950629same. I started studying french for various reasons, but the biggest one is that I simply had nothing better to do.Language learning is just a solid hobby. Beyond effort and time it demands nothing from you.Also I'm very surprised to see latin posters here. Did /clg/ implode or smth?
>>222946651>ironically in every exam speaking part was the easiest for me. it's a lot easier to say things than to understand things, cause you can always try to explain something in simpler terms, but when someone speaks and you just flat out don't know the words, you can only rely on context, and that only takes you so far.intredasting
>>222951950I always felt that way about the writing parts of high school Spanish. You just use your sense of English grammar to circumlocute. And then half the time you can also just lie about yourself if you can't remember the right term
>>222894235Yes. I just want to do it to have done it.>climbing a completely pointless foreign mountain for no reason
>>222901661this>input native level content seamlessly>output at toddler level on a good day
I want to visit El Cono Sur, but I have a mental block preventing me from speaking or retaining any Spanish because I associate the language with 70 IQ guatemalan invaders. What do?
>>222916012>>222916424fucking peak, im starting serbian TODAY
iam very drunk. But I WILL do my reviews today anons . what is you EZCUSE
>>222952576I have no excuse. Please bear with me for a moment while I lock in
>Juggernaut in German. Do Germans really?
>>222950700Looking at someone like Steve Kaufman who knows a bunch of languages but most of those are at best at a mediocre level despite the hours he put in over the years which must be massive it does seem that way. I speak three languages myself, Swedish/English/Japanese and even then finding more than the occasional hour for French is difficult. Sure leaving one to decay to make time is a possibility but I don't think many people who put in serious effort to get to an advanced level would be happy to do that. I known I've put in an unholy amount of hours to be able to read Japanese literature and that ability is not something I'm just going to let slip away.
>>222954259>taking a photo of the screenDo Australians really?
>>222949873This one is a /lang/ relic. I remember seeing it before I started on French.It's funny how unbelievably shitty the advice is.
>>222954285How much would really slip away though, if you're at an advanced level? Wouldn't you have to avoid Japanese for years before you really start to forget it?
>>222954398Honestly no idea but if I would guess then the basic stuff like kana and the several hundred most common kanji are probably etched into my brain to the point that I could never use the language again for as long as I live and they would still be there. For stuff outside the common use list 躊躇 or 翡翠色 (I hate the windows IME it's trash and I had to grab that from a dictionary) that would probably go pretty quickly. Similar ones like 拳 and 挙 would probably become a mess. And I guess my ability to read hand written stuff and weird fonts would likely become much worse after a while. Obviously it would come back again fast, but it feels like a skill that needs continuous maintenance because there is so much rare stuff that you only encounter occasionally even when reading a lot.
>>222955120What are your speaking and listening like?
>>222955120Yeah, it seems clear that output skills are the first to go, since we even forget words in our NLs sometimes. But I believe that comprehension skills are more or less solidified after you reach a certain level, because passive knowledge just seems to stick around for a long time. And even if you forget an individual word, context will be enough to remind you the meaning. I also have a theory that listening comprehension or "parsing" connected speech is more like riding a bicycle rather than like trying to retain some information you haven't thought about since school.With Japanese though it's clearly more complicated because of kanji.
>>222939128>animeunityAlso use it. It's crazy that Italians have dubbed some obscure series from the 80s and 90s
whens the last time someone asked you how many languages do you speak and what was your answer?
>>222957663I’ve never been asked this
>>222955949I can still read Spanish Mostly understand spokenCannot output at all though
>>222955588My listening is quite good since I've been consuming Japanese TV, film and games daily for several years. Standard Japanese is no problem both in highly formal and casual speech, but if there is a sudden switch to something unrelated and abstract I can struggle. Dialects can be really hit or miss, kansai I've heard enough of to understand well enough but apart from that it's shaky. Speaking wise I'm decent, though not as good as writing of course were you have time to choose your words carefully. Also because I don't practice this much I make mistakes like say treating a godan verb ending in ru as a ichidan verb, or using the wrong from of a transitive/intransitive verb pair. These are sort of like misgendering a noun in indo european languages, it's grammatically incorrect and sounds silly but it should be comprehensible at least. Taking a verb like wasureru and putting it in the causative passive form wasuresaserareru is quite the tounge twister and can make me stumble on the pronunciation. Though I suspect it would improve quickly if I spoke it regularly given proficiency in the other three areas.
>>222950370Thishttps://youtu.be/P5DtNp_b6as?si=No8mX9AGz-AiKoLM
>>222957270You're welcome.
>>222946104人々
How cooked am I to learn French when I have thick Japanese accent. Even my English has same accent as Ken Watanabe
>>222954285>>222950700Yes, that's why choosing the right set is so important >>222950869>>222951775Yes, grinding is great. And not just for language learning. It gives your day structure, gives you that little sense of accomplishment at the end of the day, and improves your sleep. >>222957270Recommend me something
Have any of you ever considered starting a translation project? Either to make content for learners of your language, or to help make more content for your TL for yourself?
>>222877902How tf do I use Anki, and are there any good free decks to learn Spanish??Everything I find has comments like oh this is great provided you do x y and z, but I have no clue how to do that shit in Anki.
>>222962381I've considered translating a couple Serbo-Croatian Assimil books that are only in French, but even just transcribing the text was a pain in the ass. I realize now with AI tools and translation, you could do all this fairly automatically and you'd just need to proof-read it.Also, Olly Richards graded readers would be pretty cool to translate since they already have a generic formula that makes them work in a dozen languages if you change the names/places.
>>222963475Yeah exactly, even before LLMs I'm pretty sure there are some free translation APIs that you can just batch process text files. Were you transcribing from something to Serbian, or from French to English? I guess French to English, since that was the language of instruction?
>>222963004refold guide and refold deck, for free here in the thread under the OP's sticker. Also search Pimsleur Anki Deck Sapnish. It's for free and useful even if don't use and don't want to use Pimsleur courses
>>222963783Transcribing Serbian (TL) and translating that to English (NL) on my own, while taking some hints from the French side in how to structure it, since they provide a proper translation but also put a literal translation to aid understanding. I didn't get very far, just typing out the Serbian tired me out and translation isn't simple and has always been my worst skill.
>>222963475Translate Comenius's Janua Linguarum so we can learn more languages via Latin. Find an edition with a lang you know and translate it into another known lang or your TL. Quaeso.
>>222964540Also, I wanted to just skip all the notes and grammar instructions because I always use Assimil as like a simple dual-text reader rather than a proper textbook, but most people would want the entire thing translated, I guess.>>222964580I'm A0 in Latin right now, chill homie.
>>222963992Ah nice, don't know how I missed that. Muchas gracias.
>>222962381yes, it's one of my main goals now but for that i'm going to need to read a lot more
>>222964904Well then just use the english, french, spanish, or Italian edition, put it into serbian for us, and i’ll use the latin to learn serbian
>>222962381>>222964540>>222963475I'm making a mining deck for the Assimil Croatian book. I am at chapter 70 out of 100. Probably once I have audio mined for all the 100 chapters, I will go back and clean it up to make it better organized for sharing.Not sure if this would interest you serbanon.>pic relatedThe translation is very rough because:>I don't know French>I am learning Croatian>I have to use several passes of Google translate and AI to find a "decent" translation from Croatian to Englishbut it seems to be working so far.
Is sentence mining books a good idea? I had the idea that it'd be better to only do so from TV (or visual novels if you're into that) because there's more context. But also those forms of media tend to use less words. I feel like you have no choice but to use literature if you want the really rare ones
>>222967512That's pretty cool. You should share it when you're done and maybe add it to the wiki page so other learners can find it.I think there's a Portugal flag that's also doing something similar like that.I wanted to make a good Serbo-Croatian 1K deck based on this frequency list but it was so tedious and time consuming doing it by hand. Only managed like 65 cards.https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Frequency_lists/Serbo-Croatian_wordlistMaybe I'll try translating and proof-reading some graded readers for you guys if I find the time, but I'm not very diligent when it comes to this type of work. Learning languages is so much more fun than making resources for learning.
I might be living in Taiwan later this year so it looks like I need to ramp up my mandarin study. Right now, I'm watching Easy Mandarin youtube series which covers dialogue from people in Taiwan. I write down each sentence (characters, pinyin, eng translation) and go from there. It's tedious but I feel like the listening, writing, and studying aspect of doing it really helps with comprehension. It might not be exactly like real life conversation but it's pretty close. Any other mandarin bros here who have a resource they found helpful, let me know. Good luck to all my niggas out here
Beginner textbook on Homeric Greek written in Laitn. Check out the explanation on tenses in picrel. I'm finding Latin translations of Greek are often quite easy to read because Greek tends to have substantially less complex sentences than the "easiest" Golden Age Latin, whether it's the Bible, Attic, or Homer.
>>222968578>That's pretty cool. You should share it when you're done and maybe add it to the wiki page so other learners can find it.that's my plan, once I get to the end and have time for it. I also have the texts as well (as SRTs).>I wanted to make a good Serbo-Croatian 1K deck based on this frequency list but it was so tedious and time consuming doing it by hand. I made a (rough) frequency list as well. it's not perfect but it's nice to have, especially because it allows me to use Anki now like a searchable dictionary, since I have thousands of vocab words saved.>pic relatedThe basic process was:>use a python library which keeps a frequency list of large numbers of languages to build a starting list of ~20k words in Croatian>map each "child" word in the list to a lemma form.>the "final" frequency for a lemma is just determined by the highest frequency of all its children>Maybe I'll try translating and proof-reading some graded readers for you guys if I find the time, but I'm not very diligent when it comes to this type of work. Learning languages is so much more fun than making resources for learning.that would be cool. Im also making a mining deck for some graded readers but since it's a small publisher i dont want to make any of that stuff available publicly since i'd feel like im giving away their content for free.
>>222905758Recommend me some
>>222970743chanson de rolandanything by chrétien de troyesroman d'alexandreroman de la rose
>>222961229Maybe some Polonia1 classics like: Gigi La Trottola, Yattaman or never broadcast in Poland DNA^2, Lupin III, È quasi Magia Johnny (Kimagure Orange Road).
>>222877902I want a hot chick to teach me basic mathematics. Algebra 2 up to Calculus 3. I will base my TL solely on this premise.I have a bias for Chinese and Japanese, but it can be any language.
>>222969002>TaiwanYou want to know Zhuyin. Also assuming you’re studying traditional hanzi, I found Hiesig’s remembering the traditional hanzi excellent, especially for handwriting, provided I wrote the pronunciation down onto the entries. (His method was originally for Japanese where direct study of pronunciation is near-useless for characters). https://youtu.be/onsIEvJxuoo?is=uS69nHFQgFuetCEjThis video is Taiwanese people singing the Zhuyin. It’s catchy and repetitive. It really helped me learn the Zhuyin but also just helped my pronunciation a lot to sing along when doing other stuff.
>>222925774what an epic sneed post
https://youtu.be/mE3qTLUpBhYthe old language jew is getting older
Trying to learn Hindi. Partially to challenge myself but also because Desi women make me horny. The sad part is I'll have to interact with Indian men mostly. Wish me luck.
Does anyone have one of those roadmap pictures but for Korean?
Any roadmaps for Italian or Latin like this one >>222949556 (don't make a new one now, just curious about existing ones)?>>222973439Gonna check those out in my free time
Man, Heimskr just hits differently in German.
>>222978381Wow it actually has a full voice over in both French and Japanese, maybe I should replay it in one of those languages.
>>222977522I'm following this one.>don't make a new one nowOkay, bossman, but you can use the same roadmap for Italian with equivalent resources.
>>222975501"It's time to forget""Actually it is GOOD to forget!""You haven't begun forgetting yet?""Buy my book about constructive forgetting TODAY!"based old man
>>222978946Thanks. I didn't mean to sound bossy. I was more concerned that there's no need to rush into anything, and I'm just curious if such a guide already exists. Btw i is a bosman in Polish at the pic rel
Since we're posting visual guides, I've been sitting on this one for a while but I think it's finally done and ready to be shared. Behold, my magnum opus.
>>222979093why does he do that?
>>222982005Nice list but the games section confuses me, I've played several of these as a kid and they were all in English with no Swedish version available that I know off. Even back then games generally weren't localized beyond the manual, and sometimes not even that. Civ 2 came with a big fat tome of a manual in English, so it was learn English of die.
>>222983543You're right, they weren't originally released in Swedish but there are ROM hacks available with fanmade translations, they seem alright from what little I've played. The Spyro remake added Swedish audio along with a dozen other languages including Danish, Norwegian and Finnish, but I haven't tried it yet.
>>222982005Is there a russian visual guide like this?
Madainn mhath homoghean
>>222983874Yeah, sort of. Found this one in the pastebinhttps://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua
>>222984007I think Pimsleur is best used day 1 since it’s so helpful for grasping pronunciation (and thus listening) quickly. Doing level one of a language on Pimsleur in a month is pretty much always an excellent way to start.
funny how other language learning places dont have daily new posts
>>222984571I'm not a fan of it. Too much English for my taste, they spend like 28 minutes dissecting 2 minutes of native input. Nothing wrong with the content, but it's delivered as slowly as possible so it doesn't accidentally scare you away. If you know what you're doing you can cover so much more ground.
someone should make a list of what flags should be learning along with what they are actually learning. i need to check something
>>222984763>>222984936Other places are actually spending time learning languages. And you should be learning Bengali. This was already decided.
got a score of "good" on my B1. onto the next one.
>>222984828It’s not meant to be comprehensive coverage of anything, it’s basically speech/accent (and thereby listening) therapy, and it’s intended to be used alongside input/grammar/vocabulary study if someone is trying to seriously learn the language beyond travel phrases.I don’t accept this paradigm where a resource is useless if it doesn’t teach you 5,000 words, comprehensive grammar, perfect accent and listening, colloquial and formal register, and suck your dick and do your taxes. They’re tools, and often the more specialized tools work better for the task they’re made for.
I’ll put it this way. A pimsleur level 1 course (which you can free-trial your way through) takes anywhere from 15-30 hours to cover to 80% retention. In that time a student will learn roughly 150 phrases, containing about that much vocab. It doesn’t sound like a lot, but these 150 phrases will have as decent an accent as a learner is capable of producing so early on, and will be relatively automatic. In 15 hours. I know someone who I was in Japan with that did level 1 and 2 of the Japanese course, and was able to use the bulk of what they learned effectively and carry on conversation. They never bothered repeating lessons, so they put in a little over 30 hours of study. When you consider that people sometimes put hundreds if not thousands of hours into studying and inputting, but lack basic conversational ability, that should tell you that the conversational barrier for people isn’t strictly the number of words known, but the mental block and productive automaticity in speaking a foreign language.
>>222985046>you should be learning Bengalithe amount of learning material is astronomically low for how many bengali speakers there are what the hell is up with that? i think i have to learn it through hindi or something
>>222985486I didn't criticize the comprehensiveness, I'm just saying it wastes your time. Something like Assimil is also supposed to just be an introductory course to a language, but you can blast through it very fast if you really want to, there are no artificial obstacles in your way. To me, doing something like Pimsleur just feels like torture, it's like walking around in slow motion. If you only had 30 minutes a day to study a language seriously, it's not the resource I would pick personally. I understand some people like it cuz it's the equivalent of taking a scenic route to being introduced to a language, maybe you're not even sure you want it in your head yet and you're just admiring it before you decide to actually do it.
>>222985744I’d assume in business there’s heavy usage of English since a lot of manufacturing is located in Bangladesh (and post british colonial)>>222985925Everything you’re saying is a difference of framing and assumes different things. I’ve explained my position.
>>222985988the bengalis in my country speak dhivehi but dont speak any english i know indians like that too how bizarre
God dammit, I am such a slow retarded language learner, and I am so lazy.
I surely could have had an attractive gf by now if I had just worked harder and reached fluency
>>222987675>learning a language for a gfngmi
Learning chinese to jbwmaxxIs this a solid strategy?
>>222987806I never said that
>>222987891You strongly implied it.
>>222987884It worked for the Brit.
>>222987608Portie, what's going on, big guy?
>>222988046Nothing in particular, just needed to vent.How's your progress going serb-sama?
>>222988258Ah, you know, chipping away at it.
I hate the sound of every language except japanese and irish
I'm in pain. Learning russian makes me empathize with rimmer learning esperanto. Even if I spend a lifetime learning it, I will never memorize every fucking conjugation and the extensive imperfective and perfective verbs out there.I'll never learn enough grammer to read russian at this rate. Have I picked a shitty language, bros? Even if I did, I'm not gonna jordie and switch. I'll just be shit at it.
>>222984571I like it. I would only supplement my knowledge by reading or watching something about pronunciation to know what to pay attention to, although the course covers the most important things for an Anglophone And those phrases really stick in my mind, even imitating the narrator's melody. I remember switching languages and automatically responding in the previous one, even after a long break. Also, the course is easy to suplement with other things with building on the Pimsleur base
>>222989434unironically inpoot more until everything becomes second nature and you can guess the cases just by knowing what sounds "right"
>>222988686cool?
>>222990061retarded meme
>>222989434you didn't pick a shitty language, just russian. it's achievable in a realistic time frame
>>222989434>>222990061He's right. I'm learning Latin and just consuming more comprehensible input has worked quite well for me. Just make sure to recognize what each word means in the text that you're reading. Eventually you gain the ability to recognize the different forms that verbs, nouns can take and you'll understand the meaning. It's sort of like with large language models, except your brain is much better at it.Literally every single problem I've had with Latin so far I've solved by just reading more.
>>222991512Yes 15 minutes of carefully reading Caesar improves morphology better than an hour chanting declensions after the basic stage
Has anyone successfully learned a language starting from scratch with narrow domain input?That is, picking an area you're already familiar with, interested in, tend to already devote a lot of time to, and has plenty of TL content, and starting with native level content right away but only on that particular topic.For example if you're interested in astrophysics reading and listening to lots of astrophysics articles in french. Or if you like RPGs setting all the rpgs you play to TL and mass listening to TL DnD podcasts.This is a really popular concept in SLA literature but I've never tried it as a beginner nor heard of anyone doing it from scratch.Supposedly the very narrow and repetitive context allows you to intuitively pick up the grammar and sentence structure very quickly. You always know whats going on (you're familiar with the topic and setting) so your brain doesn't have to work hard to figure out what's being said. Also since you're ideally already very interested in the chosen topic it should help avoid boredom or the feeling of wasting time.
>>222992160I kind of did this with Latin with the gospels and I know some people who, because of a preexisting background in theology, got into Latin by grinding scholastic theology since the vocab is small and the sentences are formulaic.But I and they still used beginner textbooks. It definitely helps a ton with adherence and retention to use narrowly focused input. Part of why Caesar was so respected as a foundational text for latin learners was that, in learning how to read a precise military commentary, the resulting grammatical engine and core vocabulary was robust.
>>222992160What are some books on second language acquisition you would recommend?
>>222992160Actually I recall this Italian warhammer youtuber learned English and got a C2 certification, and he claims it was almost entirely because he was enraptured by warhammer and would watch warhammer content nonstop, eventually transitioning to reading warhammer novels. His accent and pronunciation is horrendous though.
apparently arab autists can only speak MSA.
Language Reactor does not correctly sync auto generated subs on YouTube anymore. Or was it always like that?
>>222992539Unfathomably based
Russianfaglearning here1-2 learn cooking in russian3-4 watch russian tv5 read russian news articles6 read russian book7-8 russian podcast9-0 russian gameDubs russian eroticaTrips, gay erotica for the meme.
does inurl: no longer work on google searches?I was using it to exclude auto-translated reddit threads, but it now it firstly doesn't let me do that (-inurl:?tl= still shows translated threads) , and secondly, excludes a bunch of other results.
>>222989434I'm about one year deep into my russian journey and I can pretty much read "notes from the underground" and i've "studied" grammar maybe 20 hours max. Don't trip yourself up over aspects or cases just keep consoooming media and make anki cards and you'll see good, steady progress
No one here will learn their TL, except for me.
>>222992160If you read the same thing you'll get bored eventually unless if you're autistic, and even then I'm autistic and I couldn't imagine being into warhammer for 4000 hours to learn Japanese
>>222997771Linguam meam iam comperui anone. Hmmm fortasse recte dixisti.
>>222906993My father's language is Haitian Creole. I don't speak it, you shouldn't really learn it unless if you're in an environment with Haitian people.You can learn French though, the languages are different but they share most of the same vocabulary. French is a more elegant and refined language than English (factually verified) and should have been the lingua franca
>>222949556>>222949873This is pretty goofy
>>222998887This is the real guide:>Yomitan>https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/%C3%80_la_recherche_du_temps_perdu
>>222997771I thought I would give up on Latin within a week, at most (as I've done with other languages I've tried to learn in the past) and here I am, 4 months later already basically 2/3 of the way through Familia Romana.I hope that when I start studying German I will also be able to apply myself just as well.
>>222999072Latin is easy because you only need to worry about reading
>>222999079I'd like to know Latin like English or any other language, so I hope to be able to speak it well. I'll have to figure out a way to practice speaking and writing at some point, but I doubt I'll do that until I'm at the advanced level. The lack of 'macronized' texts is a bit of an issue, but maybe I'll still manage with a dictionary.
>>222999218The good thing about Latin is that since it doesn't change, all of the old guides are totally fine. And there are a lot of Latin composition books out thereAlso any other guides like this for Japanese?
>>222999494I've read that there are still some things scholars disagree on when it comes to Latin pronunciation. For example, whether long vowels were different only quantitatively or also qualitatively (and which vowels differed, which didn't), whether it had a pitch accent, aspiration of ph, th, etc. and some other things.
>>222997545anon can you explain a bit more about what types of cards you make for russian? i was asking you about this in another thread (we discussed cases)
>>222981168lel
