Most of the people seething in the comments aren't even Vietnamese. Is Vietnam so loved, or is America just that despised?
nobody loves vietnam, they dont like america
>>222943086Its mostly just 3rd worldists who hate america and only know about pop history memes about the Vietnam war they see repeated in political echo chambers. The vast majority of people dont really care about history as much as they look for historical narratives to justify their previously held beliefs
>>222943308wtf i though swedes was frens
Sweden loves Vietnam and we hate America
>>222943396i love vietnam of course! i meant in a general sense you are not a beloved country
>>222943086Azns had subsaharan birth rates back then so it didnt matter how much we killed. We lost our objective
>>222943510>>222943540i luv u too
>>222943086>is America just that despised?Yeah.But I would imagine anyone who has read about the war also has deep sympathy for Vietnam.
>>222943308i love vietnam. my favorite place to visit and i've had some of the most entertaining nights that i barely remember there.those dudes can go toe to toe when it comes to drinking and doing coke, and somehow they are back to work next morning. also, their women are somehow slutty and not slutty, at the same time. idk how to describe it. it's easier to just pay for it, which is what vietnamese dudes who don't have patience for that shit do as well.
>>222943336>people dont really care about history as much as they look for historical narratives to justify their previously held beliefsvery true
>1.5 million deaths>10 years later introduce reforms to revert it back to what it wasWhat the fuck was the point
I like US more than Vietnam, but I respect Vietnamese dedication
>>222943308I love vietnam
>>222943086idk if Vietnam is particularly loved internationally but this picture is clearly meant to engender sympathy for them
>>222947822>I like US more than VietnamWhy? Americans hate Europeans even more than Maoist-Third Worldists do lol
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>>222943086we admire your tenacity for independencekicked the french, american and chinese out and god knows who else before
>>222948233Almost every single American you see hating Europe represents the massive chunk of our country that is nothing more than an automaton. They don't hate anything. They lack the agentic capacity on a fundamental level to hate or love or have any genuine judgements at all. Everything they say and do is a swarm intelligence whose only structural purpose is to signal boost the daily rhetorical meme of pedophile vampire politicians. At the end of the day it's all empty virtue signalling by soulless husks that aren't even really human. Even the politicians don't believe the rhetoric. It's all just cynical means to and end, pure marketing to threaten and humiliate.Americans who have souls generally are neutral on Europe, or they have positive feelings. At worst they might be caught up in the rhetorical swell, but that never lasts forever. Eventually they find their way to shore.
>>222943086>We won because we killed more peopleDo they know how stupid they sound when they say this, or is it just a thoughtless reflex of raw patriotic defensiveness?
>>222948233that’s not true. we’re simple people and we literally hold the same opinion of europe as we do of disney world. also vietnam war baiting is retarded because i don’t think anyone under the age of 80 in either country cares anymore
>>222948720i care about it because i like to visit dominatrixes in hanoi and roleplay as a captured colonel in the special forces, so i have to read up on the history
>>222943086Poland has always loved Vietnam. It was a bit forced through communist relations, but everyone still liked the Viet immigrants in the 90s after the iron curtain fell.
>>222948757i mean nobody seethes about it. WE all have a historical appreciation for it because it was kino
>>222943086I read a Euro guy's memoir and he was passionate about the Vietnam War in the 70's, but he was a communist.
>>222943308>>222943510How is it America's fault you keeping letting Somalis into your country to rape your women kek
>>222943086Regardless of actual opinions, that pic is still revisionist cope. Wars aren't won by k/d
>>222943086>You HAVE to give away your sovereignty the moment a global power steps in. >You MUST postrate your bare asshole and surrender to the american dollar >GIVE UP, DON'T BOTHER, DON'T THINK, DON'T TRY CHALLENGING THE GLOBAL HEGEMONY, EVEN IF YOU TRY WE'LL MOCK YOU AFTER WE SINK A DAGGER INTO YOUR CHESTWhat a cucked mentality
okay but HO CHI MINH won
>>222948607I would like to be neutral on Europe, it's hard to when you realize they hate the US more than anyone here hates them. I've encountered more people in the US that complain about this country more than any foreign one.
>>222948947What does this have to do with what they said?
>>222943086we have a lot of respect for the vietnamese here, we think they're a tough peoplegeneral bigeard who fought them complimented them a lot
>>222943086You killed rice-farmers and villagers by dropping napalm, without care. Why are you now boasting about this war metric?
>>222950160>You killed rice-farmers and villagers by dropping napalm, without careNot really, we did at least try to minimize casualties. We did kill civillians through collateral damage but the Vietcong did so as well. Something like 400,000 South Vietnamese civillians were killed from the collateral damage / assassinations / terrorism of the Vietcong and PAVN. I dont think the vast majority of people actually care to learn how brutal that war was for everyone involved
>>222948947mutt's law really is real isn't it
>>222950288mutt's mutt's law is real
>>222950194>Muh war is messyNo shit Chudlock, the question is why were you there in the first place >>222950160They dropped massive quantities of herbicides like Agent Orange to specifically kill crops, livestock liquidation, cluster bombing, fuel air bombs, silver iodide for cloud seedingThen there was the bombing of Cambodia
>>222950360>the question is why were you there in the first placeCold War, communism is a totalitarian mass murdering ideology and we wanted to make sure the religious areas in South Vietnam weren't massacred and oppressed. In 1954 hundreds of thousands of catholics fled persecution in North Vietnam for that reason as they had historically faced severe persecution and the concept of communists taking over was a real humanitarian issue. To be frank out biggest mistake was trying to make Diem work , that faggot should've been offed sooner
>>222950412Then why did you back Khmer Rouge if it was, as you put it, a humanitarian issue, if it was an ideological war I can get behind that, in fact, I would have actually crossed into North Vietnam instead of pew-pewing at the battle lines, but don't get high on your government's bullshit
>>222943308They actually kinda do like us and we like them
>>222943086Nah, it's just people hating on Americans which is understandable.
>>222943308Anons here don't even know that the Viets nowadays have that same "white bad, third-world shithole good" mentality; if vietnam (the country represented by the state) is loved then it shouldn't be loved in anyways possible. Đất nước bị trời phạt.
>>222950478We didnt support them, we were opposed to them but the dumbfucks in the CIA thought it would be a great idea to carpet bomb the Ho Chi Minh Trail that stretched through Cambodia which caused instability that then allowed the Khmer Rouge to take over Cambodia. We never actually backed them , our spooks are just retarded
>>222950194In the year of our Lord 2026, there is plenty of POV footage available online showing the bombardment of farmland in Vietnam. It was supposedly carried out to target active Vietcong cells, but in reality it was a deliberate campaign against civilian agricultural infrastructure, codenamed "Operation Ranch Hand". Its purpose was to cripple any potential source of food that could reach the Viet Cong through trade or seizure in areas near the fighting.The RAND Corporation conducted a postwar review that concluded American actions, particularly the heavy bombing campaigns and the forced relocation of villagers, significantly increased Viet Cong recruitment. The problem is that, to this day, the popular consensus among many conservative Americans is that the United States lost the Vietnam War solely because public opinion turned against it as more American soldiers died overseas, that's not a wrong explanation but it's one that ignores the blowback created by the war's impact on the civilian population, and that was only part of the problem.The United States was winning almost every conventional battle, but the more Vietnamese it killed, the more people became willing to fight. At the same time, American morale steadily declined until it was no longer possible to make meaningful progress despite the overwhelming superiority of arms.I don't want to play armchair general, but since I'm kinda doing it already lol I'd add that this way of thinking remains a major weakness in American military strategy when dealing with insurgency groups thst enjoy some degree of civilian popularity. It's one of the main reasons the United States ultimately had to leave Afghanistan, or had to waste years on dealing with insurgents and terrorists in post-saddam Iraq. So get your shit together and stop with this autistic hyperfocus on exploding everything, otherwise you will keep having to conduct "strategic permanent withdrawals" when fighting 3rd world farmers.
>>222950891>We didnt support themFake news. Pol Pot (PBUH) was the chosen successor of Henry Kissinger (PBUH).
>>222951420>It was supposedly carried out to target active Vietcong cells, but in reality it was a deliberate campaign against civilian agricultural infrastructure, codenamed "Operation Ranch Hand".Correct. Like i previously said we still had a lot of generals with a ww2 mentality and went with some total war strategies that were completely unnecessary to actually resolve the war , especially among the CIA spooks with what they did in Cambodia. We made many severe strategic errors in the war. >lol I'd add that this way of thinking remains a major weakness in American military strategy when dealing with insurgency groups thst enjoy some degree of civilian popularity. It's one of the main reasons the United States ultimately had to leave Afghanistan, or had to waste years on dealing with insurgents and terrorists in post-saddam Iraq.Partially correct. After Iraq we did capitulation to a newer form of warfare that is a lot more hyper focused on special operations, precision strikes, and subversion which happened a lot under Obama and Trump has mostly continued with it but with less tact with the exception of our capture of Maduro. Our new playbook is to subvert countries through economic pressures , intelligence and infosec ops, and more direct subversion by training insurgents against governments like we've done for awhile as well. Its how we toppled Gaddafi and Assad eventually.Afghanistan failed mainly due to our failure to pick good successors much like we did in Iraq and the Taliban really kicked the shit out of the ANA even with our assistance. It didnt matter how much time we gave it , the government was always gonna collapse whenever we pulled out
Why did we go to Vietnam?to stop communismDid we stop communism?well yes The Vietnam war is very Iran in this sense, where our win condition is to stop the bad guys (as it is conceived) rather than the reasons historically a country goes to war. The US never "wins" because we're a new people whose morality is hinged precisely on not winning but "making the world a better place". It's delusional ofc, sometimes its good, but its the liberal tradition of America
>>222948604>god knows who else beforeThe chinese and mongols
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>>222943396Ironically swedes dont give a fuck about anyone but themselves. A very self-centered culture.
>>222949931The only ones really hating America are tankies and snobby elitists. The middle/thinking majority doesn't care and likes it for the pop culture, sports and consumer brands.
>>222943336Cunt, you are a "third worldist". Your country is a violent, poorly developed shithole rapidly falling behind developing status. To find another county with similar levels of inequality, violence, wealth disparity and lack of health care, you'd have to go to an active fucking warzone. You Americans really are fucking brainwashed, aren't you? Two towers weren't enough.
>>222950194>we did at least try to minimize casualtiesJesus christ. Every single American deserves to face the horrors of your own terrorism. You are all scum and all need to be exterminated.
>>222953114There's gonna be some leeway when dropping more death from above than they did in WW2.
>>222943086>>222943396>>222943786Stop oppressing the Montagnard.Stop oppressing the Khmer.Stop oppressing the Cham.The one thing we did right in the Vietnam War was supporting FULRO.
>>222948571Right is face if the cousin fucking the N-haplo bog mongol who us Germanic I-haplos had and still have the unfortunate obligation to drag to civilisation by force if needed.
>>222943086>Is Vietnam so loved, or is America just that despisedAmericans are gradually becoming tired of jewish lies
>>222943308Do not bully Vietnam
>>222943308America can suck my dick. Middle class Viet hylics want to larp as Americans now and I think they should all be hung from trees.>>222953347Fuck off Louis.
>>222943308I love Vietnam, they have good food and are docile and tight, konichiwa dude
>>222953667Free Palestine, Shekelblatt.
>>222953600You fuck off
>>222953690Make me another Bahn mi with extra pork, hurry.
>>222953712>Jew flag>extra pork
>>222943086Wasn't Vietnam almost a disaster for the US? Publically it's probably one of the most hated wars out there and all it did was bring about a generation of broken men and genuinely awful foreign policymaking to try and gloss over it.
>>222947717Chiang Kai Chek was an anticolonialist Vietnamese nationalist and in the early to mid 20th century, that meant he had to be a communist to get anything done. He was probably very well read and believed a lot of it, or at least thought the theory had a point. But ultimately it was all about who was going to make Vietnam independent. Since he couldn't reason the French liberals out of wanting to keep their colonies, he went with the Communist International and had to take the country by force. Once that was done, the actual ideological purity didn't seem to matter that much. Plus, I can imagine that after 30 years of brutal fighting people were willing to be flexible. Plus, look at what happened immediately afterwards. Even if some true hardline communist belief took root in the leadership, they had a living example of "ideology gone too far" right next door in Cambodia. They had to fight another war to overthrow self-described Communists like 3 years after the last chopper out of Saigon. AND they had to fight a border war against China, another communist country, for their trouble. That would disillusion anyone. Not to mention that by then it was the 1980s. The blazing fire of political fanaticism was going out around the world. 13 years after the fall of Saigon was the fall of the Berlin wall. They probably saw what was coming and thought "We fought too long and too hard to fuck up the country out of pride." At least that's how I interpret it. Maybe our Viet friend thinks I'm retarded.
>>222953954>Chiang Kai ChekI MEANT HO CHI MIN FUCK FUCK FUCKTHIS WAS AN EFFORTPOST, THIS WASN'T SUPPOSED TO GO LIKE THAT
Ching chong bing bong ding dong
>>222953971Loooool it was all for nothing(I read it all though and found it interesting)
>>222950194>we did at least try to minimize casualtiesdo amerimutts really believe they're some kind of gud bois who never do nuthin wrong in history ever?
>>222954016This but unironically.
>>222953667Please give many shekels for our tight women>>222954016WTF how can you say that about the Palestinerino
>>222948571Me on the right
>>222953746Most jews aren't orthodox jews.
>>222943308I have no strong feelings on vietnam at all
>>222953971Stopped reading the moment you wrote that desu
>>222948947Mutt's LAW
>>222943308Speak for yourself, it's my favorite country
>>222943086>XelondiaKEK
>>222955136Why even call yourself a Jew if you're not going to follow the Jew rules?
>>222955472I'm suspicious of this post.
>>222957226Why? I genuinely like Vietnam
>>222943086I think Vietnam is loved. I love Vietnamese people, one of my neighbors is vietnamese and hes definitely by favorite neighbor and a really cool guy.I also grew up knowing a vietnamese family and they were always cool and smart and hard working. They told me vietnam smells like the inside of a dumpster though
