How do we stop them from believing in middle eastern fairy tales from the iron age?
>>223309901How do we stop you from thinking that the universe came from nothing and if it came from something it's like whatever who cares I got my BBC and matcha labubu
>>223309924How the hell would I know where the universe came from
>>223309935It came from BBC and matcha labubu, there solved it
bulgaria can into western europe
>>223309901tbqh I don't like ppl forcing their religion into your life but I feel like there is a god but I'm not sure which religion is the right oneI hope I find out before I'm dead, and even if I don't, god will put me in his heaven for trying my best
>>223310000Did you read all the holy books and literature on history of religion
>>223310000If God is real then religion is probably a test to see how dumb you are. Imagine god watching some retard blow himself up because another human told him he should
>>223310034I haven't had the time to read everything but I have read the quran and the bible so far, this past year was pretty rough on my soul and these days I'm looking at the clouds and playing with my cat and killing time here trying to recover. hopefully I'll get back into it soon.
>>223310055He says as he gave up on his search for the truth (>>223309935)and tries to make others share in his failure
>>223309901European fairy tales from north euro horse fucking mpreg fanfiction to south euro shapeshifting bull rapists are a blight. Middle Eastern fairy tales build modern civilization and built ancient civilization.
>>223309901Explain this eurofags, everytime I look into these stats youre either all athiest are mostly christian still. Make up your goddamn minds already
>>223310034and oh yeah I forgot to ask, do you have any books in mind that you'd want to recommend?
>>223310114They're fake christians like Jordan Peterson that says he's christian until you ask him if actually believes.>>223310122Nah, sorry, I read some rando books at uni library, can't remember the names
>>223310098>search for le truth>read this specific text written by this inbred retard, NO NOT THAT ONE STOP
>>223310138>like Jordan PetersonJordan Peterson doesnt consider himself christian though? Why are athiests almost always just depressed midwits
>>223310106You lost your foreskin for nothing
>>223310114These stats are delusional. I can imagine 52% answering they believe in something, but not a specific religion
>>223310153Just read all of them and stop your reddit whining. It is actually not shameful to be curious and intellectually rigorous about the metaphiscal which obviously is real since laws that govern reality exist outside of said reality
>>223309901I honestly cant take atheists seriously since every atheist ive ever interacted with is usually mentally ill or just substitutes religion for some weird political cult like the trans shit Almost like religiousity has a core social function in society and atheism is itself a cult that also cant actually prove itself beyond being an irrational impulse
>>223310187>STOP TALKING ABOUT THINGS
>>223310186Anon you can literally go look at the methodology on Pew. Im pretty sure the only majority actually atheist countries in europe are Czech Republic and Estonia iirc. Both of whom happen to be the cheapest source of whores in their region. Science bless them
>>223310187dont try to sound like an intellectual, you literally believe a bullshit religion started by illiterate levantine farmers lol
>>223310217>illiterateAnon, they wrote it down lmao they were not illiterate
>>223310209No I want you to talk about things
>>223310216It's not even worth entertaining the idea that 52% of this population is Christian. Imagine you saw a map showing America is 52% Shinto
>>223310241>athiest not believing the evidence presented in front of him because he just doesnt want to Imagine my shock.
>>223310261You said yourself some sources say it's majority atheist, are both true at the same time?
>>223310222They wrote it down after a couple of decades the religion started, for the first Christians faith was transferred primarily through oral tradition (although this is true even today, if people actually read the bible they would just discard it as bs)
>>223310261Could you show any evidence of your god?
>>223309901I believe in God but without the levantinx dogma
>>223310278I mean the ones that cite their sources usually has the more atheistic countries as being half christian with the exception of Estonia and Czech Republic like I said. Your source doesnt even have citations , but then Pew has maps that say even the most christian countries say they are religious but dont emphasize religion in tbeir daily lives so idk wtf
>>223310288So what god do you believe in then? The one made up in your head or the one made up by other men?
>>223310055I would blow up myself for much less against my enemies.
>>223310301If you want to believe that map, you can go ahead
>>223310308The one that I made up in my head, obviously. The ultimate omnibenevilent pancosmic entity keeping the endless universe spinning and humanity alive as honorary guests in his garden of infinite wonder
>>223310287Yeah you just wouldn't believe it aince youre irrationally an atheist. Plenty of arguments and evidence in fact
>>223310285Some of the bible was somw of it wasnt. What do you think "letters" refers to lmao and yes the tax collectors were literate as well. Literacy was pretty prized by the ancient jew nerds
>>223309901Pretty sure you have more important problems to worry about
>>223310334Or you could look at the citations instead of be an intellectual coward afraid of actually questioning your beliefs. Atheists are really no better than your average midwit christian who just goes to church because it feels good and believes in god "just because". Most people have no idea why they believe what they believe in and western atheists are almost always just pseudo christians like 90% of the time
>>223310346I had this concept of God having infinite characters to play as, like save slots or profiles in a video game, and that's what humanity or maybe even all life is.So each one of us would be an avatar of the same God trying out something else, interacting with countless other incarnations of himself, but ultimately we'd be all the same ultimare being. That would explain the problem of evil and stuff like ego death when tripping balls.
>>223310549fascinating interpretation
>>223310455Uh-huh i'm sure do you
>>223309901They're retarded, just let them be
>>223310549>for my next trick... I'M GOING TO RAPE MYSELF
>>223310187>since laws that govern reality exist outside of said realityliteral bullshit sentence
>>223310549>>223310741Swede has got a point, that would mean God is doing evil every day. Stick to the Bible and the church in your theology. God may be somewhere in all of us by making us in his image and writing the law in our hearts but He is not us. We have our own distinct free will to do the easy evil or the hard good.
>>223310772Where is number two? Was number two invented or discovered?
>>223310801This is just a semantical game
>>223310811No it very much is not.
>>223310822It is, and it pretty much just boils down to what your exact definition of 'discover' or 'invent' is. Two is a sound/word we use to describe a property of matter, whether you want to say we invented or discovered it is up to your own personal ideas of what it means to invent or discover
>>223310868No, invent means created by a man or woman, discover means find something already existing. So, was the number two created or found? And if it was found, where does it exist?
>>223310901Number two was simultaneously invented and discovered, 'two' just like every other number as in the ability for matter to be divided into smaller parts was discovered, but the precise linguistic tools we use to describe that process were invented. Number two exists in your brain matter
>>223310931If number two exists only in my brain matter, if you have one kid and you say you have two, are you lying or telling the truth?
>>223310946Depends on your definition of a kid, what makes two kids and what makes one kid
>>223310969Yeah, what makes one kid and what makes two kids?
>>223309924The idea that the universe just popped into existence all by itself for no reason, just because, is less ridiculous than the idea that some god did it. The reason why this is true is because when you invoke a god, you don't actually solve the problem of creation (who created god). Instead, you shift the problem back with the cop-out "god did it" and then what usually happens is that some unsatisfying condition is given for why it's god, and not just the world, that just pops into existence.To invoke a god, rather than just saying that everything just popped into existence all by itself, is to stack two absurdities one on top of the other. And two absurdities are less credible than one.
>>223310999I already said that it depends on your own personal definition since truth is an entirely subjective feeling.
>>223311000I think that's a good point, I'll try to remember it when I'm sober. But I think my pro-theological response to that would be something like: the chain of causality, of cause and effect a reason and conequence, that you speak of is by itself a law that couldn't come out of nothing if you're being epistemologically consistant, and that's what I call a law, and laws can be described in words
>>223311019Oh, so no information is objective?
>>223311097Not really, you could put me and a person going through a schizophrenic episode in a room and we would both come to completely different conclusions about said room, because the faculties we use to digest information are fundamentally different
>>223311000>The idea that the universe just popped into existence all by itself for no reason, just because, is less ridiculous than the idea that some god did itJust untrue. I’m not religious but the whole “big bang/something out of nothing” shit makes basically zero sense
>>223311161big bang isnt about something coming out of nothing, it's just what theists tell you because they're too retarded to even understand what Hawking was talking about
>>223311178What caused the big bang
>>223311194we dont know that yet because we dont have perfect understanding of quantum mechanics, but nobody says nothing existed before the big bang lol, the big bang is just the start point of the expansion of space in the universe, but energy still existed before it for example. You retards just think that because we dont know something yet it must mean God is real
>>223311194You're American so you live in the same country as some of the best and brightest in the world, if you have a better understanding of the physical world you're free to take your theory to your closest university's physics department
>>223309901Yellow is spiritual thirdie.
>>223311220I didn’t say I believe in God, I said it makes more sense than random space energy explosion
>>223311124Well from my position it's basically impossible to argue my case than if you don't believe truth exists outside of subjective perspective. But just fyi if I held the same position I could argue sun and moon are made of cheese and all birds are camels and my view would have to be held equally as valuable as those who disagree. Do you agree that birds are camels and moon is made of cheese?
>>223311253it makes more sense to think there is a superpower entity we may or may not have interacted with that caused a random space energy explosion than to think that there was a random space energy explosion but we dont know the reason behind it? That's more rational according to you?
>>223311261>Do you agree that birds are camels and moon is made of cheeseI don't, and I don't know where you get the idea that your beliefs have to be held as equally valuable. Value is also an entirely subjective, hierarchical thing, and I simply don't care that you think the moon is made out of cheese because it goes contrary to how I perceive information
>>223311272Yes. My gut instinct tells me that something had to create this. Be it some god alien science project or AI supercomputer
>>223311294So theoritically if a certified scientist told you that would you believe it?
>>223311309you're free to follow your gut instinct, it's just not a very convincing argument to other people when you say 'well, i basically just feel like it'. It's cool that you do, but i dont
>>223311311No
>>223310187>Just read all of themdoesn't matter what you read , people's religion depends mostly on their culture growing up.Like I grew up in a Buddhist culture, and in Buddhism, the attitude towards God is agnostic. To me, it's pretty weird that people can say their God is real without seeing any objective evidence. It's clear that their belief is mostly based on emotional attachment to their culture rather than a rational exploration. Of course they will have a rational explanation for their belief on XYZ but that is a justification they created, it's not a cause of their belief
>>223311324Im not trying to convince you of anything because it’s impossible to know. I’m just telling you what I feel. You’re up your own ass
>>223311358thank you for telling us how you feel, i hope it made your day better
