>no tree cover>ankle/knee-height grass only>no rocks or boulders>completely flat plains for miles>no hills or mountains>any sentries make ambushes impossible>wagon forts practically impregnable, especially with Hussite tactics>enemies are experts at cavalry hit-and-run and have home terrain advantage How the fuck did Americans conquer the plains? Red Indians had good cavalry and firearms but they somehow got pushed out. How?
>>223375754>How the fuck did Americans conquer the plains? Because most of it was empty. It's easy to just go there, and by order of government put some convicts and contractor laborers to work to make a small town, then advertise it and give people big lands around that town for cheap. It'll become a lively town in a decade.>Red Indians had good cavalry and firearmsNo they didn't.>but they somehow got pushed out. How?Because they neither had the numbers nor the resources of the colonists + they were highly disorganized and spent more time fighting amongst themselves.
>>223375754I thought you were talking about us from the photo. Our ruler sold the country to russians if I'll be honest, such a pity fate desu
Want to do a Caliphic Reconquista in Native American's favor Fatimid bros?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tondo_Conspiracy>Martin Pangan, who was accused of adultery, Agustin de Legazpi, who was accused of not paying fees as governor of Tondo (his Bruneian Muslim name before Baptism to Catholicism was Rajah ===>Muhammad Zahir al-Din[4])>While some people were punished severely, others were let off on a milder sentence such as paying heavy fines or being exiled from their towns. Notable members who were exiled to New Spain (Mexico) were Pedro Balunguit, Pintonggatan, Felipe Salonga, Calao, and Agustin Manuguit.[1] Balanguit was charged with six years of exile and payment of six tael of orejas gold, Pintonggatan with two years, Salonga with eight years, Calao with four years, and Manuguit with six years of exile and payment of 20 tael of orejas gold.[5]>Ironically, ====>Agustin de Legaspi's family, including his wife of Bruneian Caliph descent,<==== passed through ===>California, which was named after the female Caliph in the novel 'The Adventures of Esplandián', on their route to Mexico. Their exile had also made them some of the earliest Filipino immigrants to the Americas. Later on mixed Christian-Muslim families of newly Hispanized Philippines at the Americas, opposed the issue of slavery in the Americas. They were on different sides to the issue of slavery compared to their Crypto-Muslim and Crypto-Jewish Spanish co-religionists, direct from Spain, who supported slavery in the Americas[8] Filipinos in the Americas were firmly in support of Native American and African struggles against slavery.[9][10]
>>223375754>>wagon forts practically impregnable, especially with Hussite tacticshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usuLwvFdbFs
>>223375881Well the mixed Christian-Muslim-Filipinos (from originally Muslim Manila) and Indigenous Mexicans as well as Spanish sympathizers in the Guerrero State in Acapulco Mexico; when they dislodged the Spanish there they did the following tactics...https://www.historyisnowmagazine.com/blog/2023/1/24/the-mexican-war-of-independence-morelos-arrives-part-3
>>223375881>No they didn'tNot good enough for conventional warfare against the colonists sure but asymmetric periodic raiding - a bit like the Xiongnu and their descendants against the various Chinese empires - probably wasn't off the table>they were highly disorganized and spent more time fighting amongst themselvesSeems like a bigger factor along with demographics. Pretty sad innit>>223376209Yes i was thinking of the Eurasian steppe when I made the thread. It took a lot longer for the European mode of warfare to conquer the steppes and it was on their doorstep, meanwhile colonists were an ocean away from any long-established European civilization and had to forge their own path and yet conquered the plains faster from an enemy with home advantage
>>223375881>No they didn't.Iranian education....
>>223376457Their best bet was on raiding and surprise attacks, but when you're a nomadic tribe just moving and your opponent dwarfs you in population, resources, and enough money to throw at the military machine while having no issue with cutting you down,, it's not gonna matter much.>>223376465>t. Redskin high on whiskey and cocaine while wearing Levi denimGet over it, Big Duck Foot, your ancestors have always been cannon fodder.
>>223376457Crypto Muslims from the Philippines who settled Acapulco from the former Muslim Manila (Formerly known by the Arabic Fi-Ammanilah) in the Manila-Acapulco Galleons as well as Spanish sympathizers (Including Crypto-Muslim from Spain) fought hand in hand with indigenous Mexicans in the first successful campaigns in the Mexican War of Independence against Spain; who'se base of power was Western Mexico in Guerrero province were most former Muslim Filipino immigrants worked with Spanish sympathizers to the indigenous Mexicans in their war of independence against Spain...The heart of the War of Independence in Mexico was in Guerrero State; where the declaration of Independence and First Flag was in, it's in Mexico's West where it had the most contact with Manila and with Manila's former Muslims who had immigrated to Mexico.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl38-_nCTjI
>>223376457>meanwhile colonists were an ocean away from any long-established European civilization and had to forge their own path and yet conquered the plains faster from an enemy with home advantageLever-action rifles are a big game changer
>>223377015I am a fan of the Mapuche people of Chile and Argentina, never conquered by Spaniards.
>>223375754Thorny hedge rows, and after that came the real innovation: barbed wire fences. No horse empire could stand against the barbed wire fence. Not Genghis khan, not the Apache, not even the fucking Cowboys, eh? The plains was settled by opportunistic people. The soil here is not good. It can grow stuff, but only if you till it first. Still, it's a living. And you can always build mounds of earth and plant trees when things look too flat and dull. One of the many benefits of owning land
BTW there is a direct undisrupted autonomy transfer from the Guaranis and Mapuches who joined the Guarani Jesuit Reductions => The Suppression of the Jesuits => The Destruction of the Jesuit Missions of Paraguay => The Mestizos and Guarani Rebels then Reformed under Jose de San Martin who was born in the Jesuit Guarani Reductions and had alot of Jesuit, Mestizo, and Guarani friends and relatives => Successful Wars of Independence in South America lead by Jose de San Martin.Not all plains wars in the Americas ended up as a defeat for Native Americans.
>>223377270>The soil here is not good.LOL, LMAO
>>223377363Ok, there's some good soil, you already know. But I don't think it's as good as the black earth of Ukraine and Southern Russia
>>223376214>Filipino anon: "California comes from Caliph">me "haha thats crazy">look it up>mfwHow have miggers not been hammering them with this for decades???oh yeah, miggers don't read lmao
>>223377396It is as good and even better overall to grow, because of the better climate.
>>223377135>never conquered by SpaniardsThey ended up being allies after the Borbonic reforms, most of their tribes hid royalist guerrillas in their struggle against the independentist.Also they never stopped raiding despite treaties and tried to elect a french adventurer as their king by 1860 so the chilean goverment decided to put an end to it.If you like them, read the Claudio Gay book about their customs and traditions.
>>223377471well I don't have it on my property, its too expensive. That's only for the big time farmers who export grain and stuff, the richest farmland like along the rivers. But i know its so good you don't even have to fertilize it, it just makes bushels and bushels of grain like as if that's what it's supposed to do
>>223377363Depends on the statehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust_Bowl>The most common estimate is that it takes 200 years to build just one centimeter of topsoil naturally.>>223377396Central Black Earth Oblast is one of the most badass names for any place ever, and I'm tired of pretending it isn't.
>>223377396>don't think it's as good as the black earth of Ukraine and Southern RussiaSoil quality was never as important as climate was to agriclulture especially now with artificial fertilizers ukraine and southern russia suffer from less rainfall and have a drier climate and are prone to harsher erratic heatwaves that can suddenly kill or damage crops.
>>223377570Fun fact.Did you know that famous tumbleweed from your western movies isn't native to America at all. It came from Russian as an invasive specie.
>>223377471its a much more extreme climate in both directions
>>223376745Redskins would humiliate zagros sissies
>>223377509Neat! Also did you know that your first President Bernard O'Higgins once wanted to invade the Philippines and liberate us from Spain and once even prepared the Chilean navy to intervene in the Philippines' favor in the Philippine-American War?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chile%E2%80%93Philippines_relations
>>223377746>average black soil place, America: Kansas>average black soil place, Russia: Voronezh oblast
>>223377769>dies from a cough
>>223377769Well the Spanish who imported Tlaxcalans Mexicans form Spanish-Mexio to the Spanish-Philippines in wars against the Brunei Sultanate who imported Turks from the Ottoman Caliphate who settled in Ottoman-Aceh-Indonesia, they fought and the Native Americans humiliated the Turks.In the Bruneian-Castilian War.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHtSj3hTf7Y&t=26s
>>223377363>>223377471to expand on >>223377570Lot of regions appear great but are either flood-prone and/or drought-prone.California's Central Valley is the final boss of productivity.I drove through there on the way from Seattle to San Diego. Entire West Coast from top to bottom. Driving through the Central Valley, it's difficult to explain. I'm a city.suburbs boy, but I spent many of my summers camping or hanging out with cool redneck friends out in the middle of fucking nowhere. So I've seen farms before on an industrial scale.But the Central Valley in California is unrivaled by all but a few other areas on Earth.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intensive_farming_in_Almer%C3%ADa comes to mind.But the valley was literally hours and hours of neat fields and orchards, every crop imaginable. Many were many kilometers long and at least 10 kilometers deep, both sides of the highway, stretching off to the mountains that border the valleys. Some had beehives ever 50 or so meters, most had massive irrigation machines. Imagine seeing those giant central irrigation machines in a line a few kilometers long.It was agricultural on a scale that is one thing to read about, quite another to actually witness with your own eyes.And it's literally Mediterranean climate/biome, so you can grow year round. Truly a spectacular drive. If it is not on your bucket list, I beg you to reconsider. California, 1200 miles long and hangs to the right.
>>223378012>Lot of regions appear great but are either flood-prone and/or drought-prone.You still have it much better than us to grow anything.
>>223378012California was the actual homeland of the Aztec people and during the Precolombian era was the most linguistically diverse part of North America.California was once home to 20 fucking language families before the USA exterminated most of the Native Americans there.
>>223377675I did not know that, fascinating. JFC it seems that every day I discover a new way in which we raped this planet.As nice a prank as that was, you'll never come close to Bruce and eucalyptus trees, which are tied with kudzu for greatest ecological pranks of all time:>convince tens of thousands of Americans and investors from 1850 to 1900 that eucalypus is The Next Big Thing>grows 6m per year, so can supply timber for the Gold Rush>snake oil salesmen convince retards it has miracle cures>eucalyptus craze reaches a fevered pitch>it's even the target of a law, the Timber Culture Act>turns out eucalyptus timber is dogshit that cracks and splits when dried.>hundreds of investors wiped outBut Bruce wasn't done yet>non-native, fast growing tree>grows like a weed>biological strategy is to wait for a wildfire to kill almost everything else, then rise from the ashes faster than competitors>it encourages this by shedding quick burning bark everywhere that can catch fire and then get carried by the wind for MILES>trees themselves are full of oil and can explode violently>to this day they cause billions in wildfires every year>Bruce's face when
>>223377454LOL what's even more shocking is that the crypto-Muslim Filipinos who went to Mexico (When California was part of Mexico) from formerly Muslim, now Christian Fi-Ammanilah AKA modern Modern Manila. These Crypto Muslims from the Phlippines that settled the Western part of then Mexico from California to Acapulco and then Guerrero, Mexco; formed the backbone of the Mexican War of Independence against Spain together with the native Mexicans and Spanish sympathizers.As I said so here...>>223376875
>>223378048I'm not that original Anon btwYou are correct; possible droughts, floods, and fires still beat Russian winters every time.You guys are what, 5-8% arable land? And because God (if he exists) must have a pretty warped since of humor, he gave the biggest country one of the tiniest percentages of arable land, and also made that country undergo disastrous experiments with collectivization. My condolences.
>>223378387>eucalyptus trees, which are tied with kudzuYeah, I've read a bit about it before. Like they create tons of problems, but didn't know the history of it.
>>223378387wrong pic
>>223377874There was an Argentinian corsair named Bouchard that actually attacked the spanish and blockaded Manila.
>>223378387>>non-native, fast growing treeReminds me of these fuckers, who're raping our European part now. Small Soviet experiment released the hazard.
>>223376875How did crypto-Muslims end up getting used to help dismantle the Spanish Empire? Who was backing them?
>>223378461>You are correct; possible droughts, floods, and fires still beat Russian winters every time.We also have possible droughts, floods and fires every year.In 2023 my region had drought. But this year we've had tons upon tons of rains which partially wiped out several towns with floods.Sometimes the wind changes and temperatures at the end of the summer can drop closer to 0. Last time I've seen big snow and snow cover was in May. But tomorrow it will be +35C.
>>223378514Yes, I know about that. And a Latin American would have been the first Emperor of the Philippines; and he was supported Chileans out of all people, including your Irish-Chilean first President! Funny to see Irish lead Chile and the Philippines before the Irish later appeared in Australia."Novales' father was a captain in the Spanish Army, while his mother was born to a prominent family in the Philippines. According to the Filipino author Nick Joaquin, he was a Filipino Creole of Mexican descent.[4][5][6] """Officers in the army of the Philippines were almost totally composed of Americans," observed the Spanish historian José Montero y Vidal. "They received in great disgust the arrival of peninsular officers as reinforcements, partly because they supposed they would be shoved aside in the promotions and partly because of racial antagonisms." As punishment for this dissent, many military officers and public officials were exiled, including Novales, who was exiled to Mindanao to fight pirates. Undeterred, he secretly returned to Manila.[3]"On the night of June 1, 1823, Novales, along with a certain sub-lieutenant Ruiz and other subordinates in the King's Regiment, as well as discontented former Latino officers "americanos", composed mostly of Mexicans with a sprinkling of Creoles and mestizos from the now independent nations of Colombia, Venezuela, Peru, ===>Chile, Argentina and Costa Rica,[8] went out to start a revolt.[7][9] Along with 800 Filipinos which his sergeants recruited, they seized the Governor-General's Palace, the Manila Cathedral, the city's cabildo (city hall) and other important government buildings in Intramuros.""The soldiers shouted ¡Viva el Emperador Novales! ("Long live the Emperor Novales!") Surprisingly, the townsfolk followed Novales and his troops as they marched into Manila."https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr%C3%A9s_Novales
>>223378475Bruce has been tormenting us for almost TWO whole centuries now
>>223378528Oh god we literally have this here alsoLike literally down in the woods in back of my house, where I live like 30km outside of Washington DC.What the fuck are people thinking?
>>223378746Maybe yours aren't this hazardous. There's some relatives of them were existing in Siberia and other parts as well. They're not as large, bring no hazard, don't spread as much and even edible.
The only enemy were indians who have no meaningfully organized warfare. By the time they got enough guns to cause problems, there were more indian chiefs than indians and they could not agree on a single plan of action or a command structure. Their last successful offensive was custers last stand after which the government foricbly broke them up and killed anyone who tried disrespecting their authority.Also, nobody likes indians because they steal so all the white people, mexicans and blacks could agree on a single command structure and a leader like a Mayor, Sheriff, Governor, President, General or Jefe who would then temporarily deputize people as necessary to go cull them from time to time.
>>223378587I think it's just geographical coincidence that most of the former Muslims turned Christians of the Philippines were immigrants to the Western side of the Spanish-Americas there's no conspiracy to it; just like how the Eastern side of the Spanish-Philippines like Bicol region have a lot of Mexican descent and why Bicolanos are known for their love of Chili Peppers and Chocolate like their Mexican ancestors do. Same case with the Peruvians, Bolivians, and South Americans, in Zamboanga City, Philippines, which trace their Creole Language Chavacano to Peruvian-Spanish. Heck even the South American Independence leader Jose de San Martin; who was born in a country that was formerly part of the Viceroyalty of Peru; his own brother joined the older Peruvian population of Zamboanga when his brother named Juan Fermin de San Martin also settled and had family in Zamboanga.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Ferm%C3%ADn_de_San_Mart%C3%ADn
>>223376457>Pretty sad innit Why though? The American continent has, in just a few centuries, produced some of the greatest places on Earth (LATAM/US) with massive cultural output and technological output (particularly in the case of the US).
>>223375754hey hoslaps kneewhistlescracks a couple shots with rifleand the injuns ran
>>223378957I would just like to "Say Geronimo" to that underestimation of Native Americans..."...Licerio Gerónimo e Imaya (August 27, 1855 – January 16, 1924) was a general of the Philippine Revolutionary Forces under Emilio Aguinaldo. He is remembered in Philippine–American War annals as the opposing general to Major General Henry Ware Lawton at the Battle of San Mateo on December 19, 1899, where Lawton lost his life along with 13 other Americans. Lawton had been previously credited with the capture of the Apache leader Geronimo. Licerio Geronimo possibly possessed Native American descent himself as the Spanish used to send Indios (Native Americans), Mestizos, and Criollos, from the Spanish-Americas to the Philippines during colonial times.[1]"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Licerio_Ger%C3%B3nimo
>>223379056The Spanish Empire (Via Mexico) and the Portuguese Empire (Via Brazil) literally broke the power of the Ottoman and Abbasid Caliphates by serving as the sole alternative to the route once monopolized by the Middle East in trade between the commercial giants of East Asia and Europe.The Americas literally saved the world from Islam.
>>223376209Who tf was your ruler you guys were cave people level civilization
>>223378589how did khodynts/kanti/mansi pipo survive these floods and droughts?
>>223380494They may be my religious and racial enemies as I am part of Christian Latin Civilization that was opposed to his Islamic Turkish Civilization, but positing that they were Cave people is far from reality, they were the first to domesticate Horses for example.
>>223381092They had almost no agriculture, lived in different parts, migrated often. And there were very few of them.
>>223378387>JFC it seems that every day I discover a new way in which we raped this planet.we're not some separate distinct outsider to the planet retard
What I find fascinating is that Jose de San Martin the liberator of Argentina from Spain, only had daughters in Argentina.But his brother who immigrated to the Philippines; Juan Fermin de San Martin, was the only one of the San Martin family which had sons and that there are a whopping 4 branches or clans of his, just randomly darting about in the Philippines carrying the San Martin surname completely unaware of the fact that their great uncle was founder of a nation lol.https://asiasociety.org/philippines/cultural-connections-through-history-philippines-and-argentina-across-two-and-half-centuries
>>223381202Indo-Europeans domesticated horses
>>223381521Kazakhstan was were the oldest horse breeds were found.
>>223375754the secret sauce is genocide anglos practiced scorched earth ever since the hundred years war this was no different
>>223381671My Eyes! God! What a Gruesome sight!
