It's sad how there's really no threads for VPN 大陆人 or other Chinese diasporas from TW/HK/SG/MY to congregate in. I see plenty of flags from these countries, hopefully this can be the start of that.Any interested Sinophile/curious 老外 who wants to learn more about Mandarin/Chinese culture are also welcome.Hopefully we can get enough interest to make this general a mainstay on this board.欢迎大家使用普通话/华语来交流!繁體字也可以!
I want to unlearn Mandarin and Hokkien so I can cope better with Singapore being controlled by indians.
Do you guys think there is a chance that Chinese will become the next lingua franca by mid century? If it does, I will be middle-aged/old by then and it seems next to impossible to learn a new language at that age, so I'm thinking the best time to start is right now.
>>223389471除了DBS/Prudential之外,我们的印度问题没像你说的那么夸张吧别 doomerpost okay?在thread开头这么说,很不吉利
I'm not a diaspora, this is my homeland. You need to go back.
>>223389519Personally I dont think so. It's grammatically and phonetically too foreign to the current lingua franca of English (completely different from its Latin-Germanic-Franco roots), and its use is mostly concentrated in one country + a few other hotspots for our diaspora.But I welcome you to try if you're interested! Learning a new language never hurts.
>>223389555对,老实说,如果我们没有华人占多数来主导事务,新加坡极有可能走向崩溃瓦解但这片土地毕竟还不是我们的祖居地,历史上它始终是属于马来人的Also checkedand checked >>223389400 >>223389600So many gets!This is an auspicious start.
How bad is the censorship in mainland China really? I haven't had a lot of contact with chinese, but I was surprised how sheltered they were. It just seemed like they have a far more strict information control than many other authoritarian countries
>>223389883I can't really speak for them at all, but imho from my experience with some mainlanders, it depends on one's adventurousness.The curious ones will get a VPN because they're interested in Western internet.They are probably a minority though, and they usually stay more on mainstream sites like Twitter/instagram. Or Steam because they want to download some games that are just not available there.Hopefully the vpnchang namefag can come and clarify.t. ex was a mainlander and she was fairly westernised before even coming here
>>223389400>TW/HK/SG/MYJust out of curiosity, why do most people leave Macau out of the Chinese speaking countries?If I remember correctly, Macau has two official languages (Chinese and Portuguese) and Cantonese is widely used in everyday conversation.On top of that, the people understand Mandarin well, but almost everyone treats Macau as if it didn't exist in the sinosphere.
哈喽大家~~~ 你们中午都吃啥了?我就喝了杯清补凉
>>223389555阿三
>>223390516There's just very few actual Macanese people (~42000 worldwide iirc), so it's more because of how rare they are that they are usually forgotten. It's not because of exclusionary malice or anything.I think in my entire life I've only met one Macanese person imc, her first name was cantonese but last name Fonseca. Very interesting person.If this thread ever hits bump limit and I can make a new one again, I'll make sure to include them in the OP next time.>>223390543今天中餐吃了云吞面!你呢?
>>223390080翻墙不能随便评论敏感的东西,翻墙本身基本不管,大部分人翻墙也就看看黄。国内网络虽然封闭,但大家就算出了国还是喜欢用国内的软件和平台
>>223389600Alright, I'll keep that in mind and hopefully I'll be able to participate here by next year, if this general still exists by then. Thanks for your honest reply.
>>223389400不盡長江滾滾來
>>223390080Thanks. I would also like to ask how the Chinese view authoritarianism and information control, but I can guess what the diaspora thinks even without asking
these round doors very charming
Why do people in mainland China and Taiwan people love Japanese anime, manga, VTubers, and underground idols so much? For me all of them are like uh nuh.
>>223391075Chinese people are born imperialists. Just know that.Putting Hong Kong and Taiwan very anti-CCP is less about opposition and more about serving another empire.One is the Anglo-Jewish Free west World Empire, and the other is the Jap Empire or something.As long as the empire continues to grow stronger according to the wishes of the Chinese, even if tomorrow the empire decrees that half the population must be conscripted into the army, the people will comply without hesitation.They may object to my statements, but they will do as I say btw
>>223389883Most people can easily use VPNs; the reason they don't is simply because they don't want to.For example, Telegram has an enormous number of Chinese users. The reason I use it is because whenever I travel to a new city for work, I need to find massage parlors and prostitutes. Basically, every city has several groups with over ten thousand members where clients share resources and share their experiences with prostitutes.
>>223390987 #我知道大多数利用 VPN的大陆人主要是为了看色片我刚才主要是特指那些专门翻墙出来与墙外的人交流的那小部分的大陆人,因为 >>223389883 # 在问:“为什么一般大陆人看起来会那么‘封闭’?”>>223391050>>223391075You're welcome!>>223391469大陆真的会有很多妓女吗?我以为中共已经严厉打击过这种行为了
>>223391602他妈的经济这么差,还打击锤子妓女,警哥KPI抓够了就开始摆烂。年底凑KPI才会狠狠抓。我们这些去川渝,荷兰出差的,东吊西送,先富带动后富,促进消费,跟从国家政策前往西部大开发,全是利国利民的好事,晶哥闲的蛋疼来抓我们。
>>223391394Would Chinese have kids if it strengthened their empire?>>223391469The question was going to be more about why do mainland Chinese people feel like they need censorship, and is there any chance it might hinder their cultural or scientific output, or political development
How much have Japanese anime, manga, eroge, VTubers, and East Asian gacha games contributed to men in Japan, Sinosphere and Southeast Asia identifying as transgender?
>>223391812The Chinese have begun to dislike the current empire.>The question was going to be more about why do mainland Chinese people feel like they need censorship, and is there any chance it might hinder their cultural or scientific output, or political developmentWe don't want censorship; I rarely hear anyone say anything good about it. This system is entirely for maintaining stability.
>>223391663>警哥KPI抓够了就开始摆烂。年底凑KPI才会狠狠kek 我们的警哥和你们的没什么两样在外国人眼中,他们看起来像德国盖世太保但实际上不过是一群摸鱼的懒猪; 只会在最后关头为了应付KPI才去干活"Singapore Authoritarian Disneyland with Death Penalty"/"China CCP Tiananmen Gulag" 全都是白人鬼屁话来的
>>223391859Not much here in terms of the overall population imc. I think the westernised lefty types are more likely to troon out than the weebs.Most weebs I personally know just want to play their gachashit, learn japanese, and watch FOTM seasonal anime in peace.
有没有东南亚朋友最近看了这部电影的
>>223391969本来就是啊,鬼佬傻得很。他们印象里的那种盖世太保类的,估计只有军转的傻逼,和一小部分国安的。大部分都是日子人,喝酒,去洗脚,在看点日本av。都这样
>>223392451我本身还没看(我不是潮汕人),但那片电影在我的国家引起了不小的争议
>>223392870你祖籍哪的?客家人吗
>>223393013半福建、半广东(香港, 具体来说..)
>>223393140强强联合,南洋这块是被你们拿下了
newfag chink hereanyone have a better way to stop the old folks in my home wasting life watching endless china AI slop shitdramas on youtube all daythey could only understand only mandarin and hokkien and not much english and I have ran out of suggestions for taiwanese content made by real people
>>223389400Coolflag
>>223393925boomers will do whatever boomers dojust let them be老人家开心就行了
>>223389400Why /zh/? I am curious.
>>223389400我喜歡台灣還有香港所以我學習繁體字>>223389519沒有中文太難寫中文太難中文的聲調太難平常人不可以會
>>223391469>Most people can easily use VPNMy experience is the opposite. Only a few VPNs work and only can get one if you know someone who uses them. Outside of tier 1 cities no one uses VPNs from what I saw
>>223394199Zhong wen
>>223393619Women are attracted to izzat. Chinese are too poor to have any
>>223394526Does that mean "chinese"? Or chinese diaspora?
>>223394609Cinese language
>>223394609That means Chinese writings 中文.
>>223389883When I went Chinese knew their government was propagandizing them but didn't know what was real or fake. They asked me if it's true that people in the UK starve to death for example. I also heard people admit they hate the censorship but only do so when alone in doors. However this seems to only be true in the wealthy educated cities. In the countryside most people just believed everything the government told them because they didn't have access to anything else. Most Chinese don't even know Taiwan has a different government for example (at least in the deep countryside).
>>223395042學繁體字很難但是讀書一樣我用Pinyin所以算了
Will I severely harm myself by dissecting sentences made on basket weaving forums as an exercise? I'm just an innocent melon eater
>>223393333居住在南洋的主要华人族群以广东人、福建人、潮州人和客家人为主,其人口比例大致按此顺序递减不过,自2000年代以来,来自中国大陆各地的新移民在新加坡持续增加由于我国家本地华人生育率极低,而马来人/印度人的生育率相对较高,政府倾向于引进大陆移民,以维持华人占多数的人口结构许多大陆人也满愿意移居新加坡,因为与香港相比,这里的生活限制较少,且新加坡元汇率强劲因此,近年来我看到越来越多来自北京、上海、四川、山西、河北等地的新移民also>checked>>223394199Because中文 (zhōng wén) = Middle Language = Mandarinand中国 (zhōng guó) = Middle Kingdom = ChinaSome anti-CCP diasporas will take offence to this but idc desu.We are the Middle Kingdom people speaking the Middle Language. If any Chinese is too self-hating/ashamed of our heritage to admit this, because the CIA made them such westernised slaves to BWC, then they can go suck on one.This is my thread and I think a majority of us can agree that /zh/ is much more appropriate than /ch/ or whatever.>>223394398>>223395130隨你的便吧反正繁體字在中文適用範圍之外更有用,因為日語Kanji也使用繁體字。
>>223395214原來我是weeb所以我已經知道一些漢字
你們用中文網站嗎?什麼網站? 網絡人有什麼性格
>>223395144Some of the language used here is quite advanced in certain slang/idioms (成语)I've personally tried my best to avoid using 成语 in this thread in case anyone wants to use whatever I write to learn, but I cant say it'll be the same for anyone else. Learn at your own pace/risk I guess.>>223395254原來 X因為 O因為 (because) is always followed by 所以 (thats why). You cannot have the latter without the former as a general rule of thumb, there are some exceptions of course, but using 原來 is not one of them.
>>223395214I'd rather differentiate 中文 as an umbrella term for Chinese and the related dialects and use 普通話 or 華語 for Mandarin specifically. Most of the dialects are not even mutually intellegable.
>>223395098They have smartphones so they do have access to the information. But you should not expect old people to master modern technologies.
>>223395712中文 includes any dialects used by han Chinese. Just a bigger concept.
>>223395712Fair enough. I didnt really use 普通话 to describe mainline Mandarin ITT because it's a term usually only used on the mainland. But you're right in that it's the proper nomenclature for it.
>>223389519Unlikely, English is already well established and the Chinese who need to know English already know it. Mandarin is also objectively a kind of ugly and harsh language and far harder to learn than an alphabetical / tone-free one, which is why Chinese ESLs always sound a little Chinky no matter how good they are and CSLs never get it quite right since you have to grow up with it basically. Might as well just use English.
>>223395954Tones are the ultimate filter.
>>223395954>CSLs never get it quite right since you have to grow up with it basicallytrvkei bet the OP from my cunt that keeps bumping his thread can only write/type chinese wellask him to speak it to a real PRC and he'll probably be a fumbling mess like the rest of us
>>223395727A bit difficult with the firewall m8
>>223395347Take a look Bilibili, It's basically Chinese YouTube. Some vloger's videos offer AI subtitles and audio translations. But not all of them do, for example like these videos:https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Fy9wBzENYhttps://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1RUB5B8EGfAlso add this extension, it lets you auto skip the built-in ads on almost all videoshttps://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/eaoelafamejbnggahofapllmfhlhajdd
>>223396405more like chinese niconico that managed to get to youtube popularity and somehow better than the original for whoever understands the language
>>223389883you can't know what is due to censorship and the great firewall and what is just caused by the chinese not caring or not being interested. i lived there for years and many chinese aren't intrested in the west besides some sport, which was shown on chinese tv, and some movies, which were in the cinema and online. so would they be interested more in western things if they were exposed to it online and in the chinese media? yeah probably because that is the effect of media exposure. but is the lack of exposure due to censorship or just editorial decisions about what to include in media and ut online? no one can say either way. but you can find western reports of justin beiber being banned from the chinese internet but yet he was still over the internet, same for lady gaga and k-pop, yet they are still all over the internet in china.
>>223394676>>223394732Interesting. Shie shie.I want to learn kung-fu. Which one is better? Praging Mantis or White Crane?
>>223395214Awesome.
>>223395842>>223395712>Mandarinwhy do you fags call it mandarin like you are using an old fashioned textbook? mainland chinese speak Standard Chinese which is the correct chinese legal english name of putonghua. (china peoples congress says this in its english version of statement about what language china uses) why don't you call it Chinese instead of Mandarin? even tw still calling it mandarin is a cuck mentality. it hasn't been Mandarin being spoken since the end of the 1800s.
>>223396771>I speak Chinese>"Ok which one? Cantonese or Mandarin"That's why
do we count as chinese?
>>223396771SEAchinks were told to learn Mandarin because it is good for business only since some decades ago.In my grandparents' generation the Chinese spoken is either Hokkien or Cantonese or even Teochew or Hakka depending on where you are, while the Malays and Indos around just call every chink looking person as orang cina
>>223395347我用threads和CWS Chinese dictionary. 在台灣很受欢迎
>>223397365>不用聲調哈哈哈哈 不行但是越南人是華人
>>223396616>chinese not caring or not being interestedif only the indians could learn to do this as well. them caring too much about what whitey thinks is what's causing them to escalate that hate against them lmao.
>>223395098>They asked me if it's true that people in the UK starve to death for exampleThat's funny, that sounds like North Korea tier propaganda. Especially when the truth is the opposite of starving
Taiwanese on threads are shitting on Europeans but praising Americans and saying we are better and nicer.https://www.threads.com/@kiphalu/post/DbPaBIakUkT
>>223396119草泥马 knncb 每次考口试的时候总是考到高分香蕉你给我闭嘴,我跟你不一样ok?>>223396771Because it's always been called Mandarin? And I think we started calling it that because of you Brits too. We're just following the standards you've set for us, English is YOUR language after all.Personally "Standard Chinese" sounds too 啰嗦, just Mandarin will do. It's sexier imho.>>223397365If you want to be. You historically fall under the same Confucian branch of civilisation so you're technically much closer to be considered Chinese than any other non-Chinese Asian.>>223397534北约南?完全同意南越南?满有争议...
eh I don't think getting high marks in ur oral exam equates can communicate with PRC...I once worked with sinkie passport holding PRCs but because they northerners they roll their tongue and slur their words like no tomorrow... I myself chinese speaking household I also stun
I was disappointed to discover threads was filled with just as many bots as Twitter. The only difference is the Threads bots are CCP bots while the Twitter bots are jeet bots.
>>223398526>so you're technically much closer to be considered Chinese than any other non-Chinese Asiantbf with how fucking distant different dialects in Han china can be, korean itself can be considered its own "dialect" if koreans want to sinicise themselves and join the greater Han umbrella.they already have the linguistic means to do this anyways (hanja is basically hanzi, like kanji for japanese)but koreans are a very proud people, so they will never do this. especially since they've successfully fought against so many invasions from (mongolian-controlled thoughbeit) imperial china to not be sinicised in the first place
Bump before I sleep. Hopefully the thread doesnt 404 tomorrow.>>223398489>>223398955It's sad how there's no Taiwanese person who has commented in this thread yet. I've seen a couple Taiwan flags on /int. today, wonder where those anons went.Are they put off by the /zh/ title? Because they dont want to be "中国"? I hope not. That would be shallow as fuck considering they call themselves "中華民國">>223398876我看过那么多内地影视剧,如果我想的话,完全可以把大陆人的口音模仿得一模一样别小看我的功力,ok?>>223399594Honestly if the CCP completely had its way, it'll 100% sinicise Korea and Japan, solely because of how much both their cultures have been intertwined with Imperial China throughout their history.They'll then go further into Vietnam, and even North-East India to take those chinky-looking "Indians" into the Sinosphere if they could.There's a faction in the CCP that's surprisingly very "National Socialist", and I think Xi is quite open to their ideas. They wont hesitate to go for a "Han Lebensraum" if they could - that is, if US didnt exist to counteract any of their imperialist/irredentist ideals.
I'm now fully addicted to Taiwanese twitter.
>>223401664謝謝你愛台灣 ;)
>>223398955脆上的簡中用戶還是比較有活人感的,雖然大部分是小紅書集美。xitter從馬斯克接手之後bot越來越多,到現在已經是隨便一個中文推下面的評論區都全是CCP 用來幹爛輿論場阻止討論的黃推bot. Dead internet theory on full blown
>>223402725>>223402763親愛的台灣朋友們,你們終於來了幸好我在睡覺前又回來查看了一下這個thread還以為你們不回來哈哈 >>223401400
I have the opportunity to do a 3 month lab intership at a prestigious Chinese university in Beijing via an exchange agreement because of westoid affirmative action.Is this something that is considered to be very prestigious in the future or will nobody care because it's just a 3 month internship and not a full undergrad degree?
>>223401400bullshit. CCP wont do shit>>223403166its prestigious if you can somehow charm the daughter of a well-connected businessman/official, like asmongold and that new girlfriend of his. if he could do it you can too (probably, do you have blonde hair and blue eyes?)
>>223403476>like asmongold and that new girlfriend of hisWut, isn't she an OF model/prostitute he is paying to appear on his stream? Why do people pretend she is his girlfriend?>probably, do you have blonde hair and blue eyesYes
