If it wasnt for tariffs and protectionism China could literally destroy the German car industry by 2030.They sell stuff of the same quality for literally half the price. Fucking insane how expensive German cars are. Happens iyc?
That's what happened to Japan. You just got to change industries but keep some small amount of car making to prevent monopoly.
>>223410299then produce things chinese cannot, like queer bed time stories books
Unemployment will rise a couple percent if some corrupt MEPs decide to sell out to Chinese companies.I think only high end luxury companies lile Lambo and Ferrari would be unaffected, Mercedes and the likes are already declining, this would end them
>>223410299America is protecting europe both militarily and economically in exchange for what? They get nothing in return
America is looking into straight up banning them cuz like in europe their own companies just cannot compete kek
>>223410445We already have prohibitively high tariffs on Chinese made cars preventing them from competing here. The bill you're referring to is using China as a disguise, it's actually an attempt from GM lobbyists to get rid of Mercedes, that's why the Chinese ownership threshold is only 15%.
>>223410636I didnt know that, thanks.Damn, no one left to buy our shit lol.
but capitalists told me china is collapsing and competition is good!how could this be?
>>223410299>Fucking insane how expensive German cars areyou need to lower wages, german car workers make 2x italian workers
>>223410715>capitalists told me competition is goodthey certainty don't say this
Can we just make em add a hardware switch under the hood to cut power to all wireless transmitters? American cars fucking suck and Japan and Korea need the competition
>>223410715Chinese-state funded and subsidised car manufacturers are hardly «competition».
Chinese people buy chinese, americans buy american, euros only buy euro because tariffs, africans, south (east) asians and south americans are too poor to begin with. Turks are buying chinese now. I think the only people who still buy german stuff are arabs, they love that tacky new direction the companies take
>>223410428Preach brother, FUCK europe
I would buy Chinese over German any dayMost taxis are Chinese cars here and all the drivers I've asked said they were extremely happy with them
>>223410299enjoy the future
>>223410800>competition is when i winyou would do well in america
>>223410877We can tax all cars 500% and then give 450% of that tax money to our own car companies. That's Chinese fair. They're fucking over all foreign companies covertly now there (without even needing taxes) when it used to be free market for everybody.
Habeck said in 2019 that if German companies couldnt produce an EV for 25k they would be doomed. They laughed and assumed he was being a libtard green as usual.Its 2026 and Mercedes profits have halved and tens of thousands of jobs are cut every year
>>223410299No shit, they are building factories the size of San francisco. Chinese century is upon us
>>223410942dont buy it?is somebody holding a gun over europeans to buy chinese cars?
>>223410299I had this discussion with a friend of mine, a Twingo fanboy kind of guy, about chinese cars.It just became a half-serious chat about what economic plastic car was betterChery QQ continues to be my beloved,
>>223411054Chatbot ass incomprehensible response
>>223410942>We can tax all cars 500% and then give 450% of that tax money to our own car companies.And they'll burn that money with shitty products and trying to cater towards extremely dated boomers or nouveau riche Arabs, Asians and Africans who dodn't get the memo
>>223410299They also devalue their currency, which Germany can't do because of the Euro. So how is that not fair?
I think its in germany best interest to reinvent itself as a financing country because manufacturing is without any doubt lost.Then again idk wtf im talking about, the whole economy seems like shit
>>223410428Militarily, yes. Economically, no. They have the ECB that's on them, unless the US now controls the entire Eurozone. China relies on the US and Russia for energy imports just like Europe does the only difference is that China is borderline ancap and Euros are ridiculously swamped by bureaucracy. Two very different problems, but China couldn't function without exports they'd have to remodel everything. Europe has been desperately trying to avoid that fate since the Cold War.
>>223411088grow up you pathetic little moron
>>223411240Yeah okay this thread is paid for by the glorious emperor Xi
>>223410751I have read an article where Peter Thiel outright states companies want to do monopolies but will do entire campaigns and propaganda to actually avoid getting recognized as one because competition has been dead for ages.
>>223411260Protectionism just either makes the consumers shoulder the burden or gives certain people free money for doing nothing because none of it is actually pegged to proper performance metrics or "we actually need X so do that instead of the Y which we already have".
>>223411341>makes the consumers shoulder the burden or gives certain people free money for doing nothingwhich beats entire industries closing down or outsourcing dumb cappie
>>223411403>which beats entire industries closing downIt's still dying anon. It's no different than reviving an old person with a DNR order they explicitly signed order and basically slowing the demise and dragging on the agony for a few more years and wasting everyone's time.
>>223411147Yeah this is real shit tho. They're better than us but they ain't magic.
>>223411457The path to actually gaining back market share is pretty much openly known. It's just that shareholders and top level management don't want to do that. Many are anathema to entering new or developing markets and trying to cater to them, many don't want want to adapt their products to new energy norms and better efficiency, many outright are still run by guys stuck in the 90s-early 2010s.A total top down remodeling of the C-staff and management to allow young and diverse talent could work but it's a total boomercracy.
It's pathetic how China can undercut Western manufacturing despite having to bring the goods over from halfway across the world.I blame 1) regulation and 2) rent-seeking parasites.Regulation is what makes the goods unnecessarily expensive. Companies like Volkswagen and large carmakers could actually mass produce great quality cars for under 10k if they wanted to, they are forced to increase costs due to regulation.Rent-seeking parasites make housing, electricity and other utilities unnecessarily expensive, which makes workers require much higher wages in order to be able to survive.Without these unnecessary costs imposed onto the working class, they could have great living standards with much lower wages, and industry would become more competitive.The cost of energy is also caused by rent-seeking parasites who benefit from a lack of competition in that market. And the cost of energy increases the cost of everything and makes industry much less competitive.
>>223411604Or you can address the elephant in the room and ask why China still has developing status and yet still trying to rely on markets that aren't emerging. Seems unfair that Germany can't adjust their prices without going through Europe's central bank while China can do it with east and no international repercussions because they're still a developing country by their own admission. Like if they want to be equal they should play on equal footing.
>>223410428Kill Europeans
>>223411268>competition has been dead for agesthey always kill competition and lobby for restrictions when they are on the top
>>223411739>China still has developing status and yet still trying to rely on markets that aren't emergingYou do know other developing states do exports to developed states too right?Also trying tk delay the shift to being glavwlled developed is a thing many stayes did in the past.>Seems unfair that Germany can't adjust their prices without going through Europe's central bank while China can do it with east and no international repercussions because they're still a developing country by their own admission.That's a "con" of being in the EU but offset by many of the benefits of being a member state. All of the problems in German manufacturing is due to shitty management decisions and refusing to learn from them. They had a massive lead on solarpanels and then basically gave it away to China for free because they suddenly decided neglecting being the TOP PANEL MANUFACTURING STATE was a great idea.
Half of the cost to build an EV comes from the battery. 90% of batteries are made in China because they have lithium reserves and don't have environmentalists stopping them from exploiting them. Not to mention the lower wages, 996 working schedule, the fact that Chinese universities shit out more EE grads every year than the entirety of the West, etc. And then on top of those structural advantages the Chinese government also floods them with money.Telling western auto companies "just compete by innovating bro" against this is the business equivalent of the "just learn to code bro" meme from last decade
>>223411832Being developing means you can dump product on other markets with no consequence. The problem with this isn't cornering markets, it's the fact that it encourages a state to build industry far past its capacity because every market is almost assured to buy. Over production was a problem in the USSR because they would produce items no one had a need for and did so entirely without purpose. Markets give a purpose, but without markets much of China's industry doesn't serve any purpose with the added drawback of hollowing out industry for the sake of exporting to assumed market far past their scale.
>>223410299>stuff of the same qualityI highly doubt it
>>223411995Mass producing engineers is what India does too, it's the same thing as mass producing architects you only need so many of them. Germany has an insane amount of lithium reserves they don't care to corner the supply chain because it's more expensive to mine it than it is to simply buy batteries. It's retarded to do so they can buy from Australia who can pull it out from some uninhabitable desert rather than rape their land like that over protectionism. China's prices are so low they decide to skip the process entirely, but it doesn't close them off from it.
>>223410801We buy Japanese stuff over here honestly.
>>223410299Are you forgetting that AMERICA blew up your gas pipeline and fucked your economy and industry beyond saving?
>>223412513We warned them and they still decided the Molotov-von Ribbentrop Pipeline was a good idea anyways
>>223410428They use our technology
>>223412513The pipe just did that, nobody did anything to it.
>>223412603At least you're not denying it.I hope the German reads this and the shekel drops for himNATO is an American ABOMINATION and this "military protection" is in fact a boot on the neck of the German
>>223412728Any color revolution orchestrated by FSB plants to turn Germany away from its historical place among its Germanic language brothers in the NATO world will be crushed with extreme prejudice
>>223410409Memecedes and co are already trying to become luxury brands, but "value" cars like VW will definitely go under
That’s happening anyway, and you guys are already helping them do it
>>223410428Merz agrees with you lmao
>>223412513Gas wasn't flowing through that pipe anyway, because of the war, retard.
>>223412829>Source: trust me bro
>>223411151You can’t just become a center of finance overnight, China has been dumping money and all sorts of tax exemptions into building their finance sector for decades and its still Micky Mouse compared to the centuries old banking institutions of New York and London
>>223410428fuck europe
>>223412869>gas "paused" for 2 whole weeks prior to the sabotageKYS Nato bootlicker you are a FAKE country buying yank POS plastic rifles. If you dont make your own assault rifles you are not a real country
>>223412898The source is Bloomberg, retardhttps://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-10-25/german-firms-hand-over-secrets-that-china-could-use-for-leverage
>>223413010I apologize it was rude and immature of mebut like comon bro why are norweigans like this? They lube up their own asshole for the Americans at every turnFor the record, Russia is also an abomination like USA
>>223412513Like they need any help fucking themselves over
>>223413050Why do you imitate a trashy obnoxious American zoomer if you hate America?
>>223412513I thought they already figured out it was Volodymyr Z.
>>223413156Who am I imitating?
>>223411995>Telling western auto companies "just compete by innovating bro" against this is the business equivalent of the "just learn to code bro" meme from last decadeThe west isn't suffering in a deficit of skilled workers. The issue is a total mismatch of labour market where they aren't being routed to the jobs they studied and did apprenticeship/internships. No company wants to train people or build up their employees as potential assets. Older workers and management in general just want to clique it up until they retire, refuse to pass on trade secrets and barely plan ahead since they a want to poach workers off each other into perpetuity and trapping employees in Non-compete clauses in the tech sector.
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>>223410703Make less bullshit cars and people will buy them. You lost ww2 because of your retarded autism tanks and decided this was the optimal business model? Basically made just for arabs and nigs to lease and run into the ground.
>>223410299You could also argue that protectionism caused the German car industry to be completely complacent
>>223410299free market with a hostile state is a memechina is pretty much mercantilist their EV industry was fully engineered by the state chinese state operates the supply chain to keep the manufacturing costs minimal in an effort to flood every possible consumer marketit's not that different from what ussr did total vertical integration to eliminate markup and centralized control to allocate what little capital it had to the most important industries and areas
>>223410299>Happens iyc?yes and I miss station wagons every day. fucking faggot suv, I hate them so much
>>223410299Yes the government literally pays for the cars to be cheaper so they are sold at a loss. Any country could do this as well if they wanted to
>>223410428Fucking TRVKE nigga. Worthless Eurofaggots. Should just let China devour whatever remains of their supply chain. >>223411760Soon brother Inshallah>>223412856Anyone with brain cells and eyes would agree
>>223416355hivan please
>>223410757Then how would the car know which features the customer has subscribed to
>>223415441This. America never traded with the USSR. We should cut off all trade with China. Let them starve to death
>>223416628Cuckoo fantasy shit
>>223416628What makes you think China eats the food you grow
>>223417463nta, but they're not self-sufficient in food. They could probably import from Brazil or Russia more to sort the difference, but as of right now the US is one of their major suppliers.
>>223417705Really? I thought they were very self-sufficient. Here in the EU we are very self-sufficient when it comes to food. I don't think I have ever eaten something that was imported from america, frozen fish maybe?
>>223410299Same
